Poly Aftertouch and P5/10 rev 4

Poly Aftertouch and P5/10 rev 4
« on: April 12, 2024, 01:17:29 AM »
Bought an Korg Keystage 61 (but returned as MIDI 2.0 didn’t worked out at expected and the keys were not good) that has a Poly Aftertouch and MPE keyboard. Prophet 5/10 rev 4 receive external Poly Aftertouch and it worked out at once without any problems.

I thought I would use Poly AT for everything, but it wasn’t the case - it works for some few sounds but not the majority of sounds I use.

The next MIDI controller I will buy will be with Poly AT (still there are only some few around but I’m sure it will be more common for new models) as the P5/10 rev 4 receives Poly AT. If Poly AT can be set per patch at the controller it would make everything smoother.

g3o2

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Re: Poly Aftertouch and P5/10 rev 4
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2024, 05:51:40 AM »
I agree that you do not need polyAT for every sound, especially because P5/10 can only route it per voice to cut-off frequency. Plus, polyphonic expression if it is meant to be controlled (vs randomly applied) reduces the number of meaningful fingers per hand to 1-2.

What you could do is get a more compact controller, such as the Linnstrument 128, and use that one to control any notes you would like to have polyAT, while using your regular keys for anything else. Because you’d apply it to specific notes, the isomorphic non-piano layout will not be a problem. Despite its small physical range for (poly)aftertouch, the control thereof is pretty good imo.

In case you used it to control a keyless sound source, add in a MIDI merger to merge the MIDI input coming in from both controllers. Linnstrument is compatible with a wide range of MIDI sound sources and MIDI modes (except 2.0). With MPE you will have polyphonic sliding of up to 96 semitones as an additional expressive option - as well as Yabs and Yrel. For the P5/10 you would only have monophonic pitch sliding limited to the maximum pitch bend range of the Prophet, which can still be nice to have.

LS is not cheap but I personally find it entirely worth it, it’s a very robust design: https://www.rogerlinndesign.com/support/support-linnstrument
« Last Edit: April 13, 2024, 05:54:41 AM by g3o2 »

swid

Re: Poly Aftertouch and P5/10 rev 4
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2024, 05:20:47 PM »
I agree that you do not need polyAT for every sound, especially because P5/10 can only route it per voice to cut-off frequency.

Huh, can it really not affect LFO amount differently? I know speed would require per voice LFOs, but one would think that the amplitude would still easily be applied on a per note basis, no? I’ve not yet tried polyAT with my Prophet 10 - truth be told, I kind of forgot it supported it. I love it on my Hydrasynth, but it has so many more modulation targets, so its expressive capacity is far more useful - definitely planning to try this when I get home. It’s so strange to me how recently Fatar finally introduced a polyAT keybed - I know the demand is fairly recent, but considering they are known as the company to go for for high quality keybeds, you would think they’d have made one sooner. I wonder if it’s the sort of thing you could upgrade by installing a polyAT keybed.

Re: Poly Aftertouch and P5/10 rev 4
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2024, 02:18:59 PM »
I agree that you do not need polyAT for every sound, especially because P5/10 can only route it per voice to cut-off frequency.

Huh, can it really not affect LFO amount differently? I know speed would require per voice LFOs, but one would think that the amplitude would still easily be applied on a per note basis, no? I’ve not yet tried polyAT with my Prophet 10 - truth be told, I kind of forgot it supported it. I love it on my Hydrasynth, but it has so many more modulation targets, so its expressive capacity is far more useful - definitely planning to try this when I get home. It’s so strange to me how recently Fatar finally introduced a polyAT keybed - I know the demand is fairly recent, but considering they are known as the company to go for for high quality keybeds, you would think they’d have made one sooner. I wonder if it’s the sort of thing you could upgrade by installing a polyAT keybed.

LFO is normally not per voice as filter, amplifier and envelope generator is, but only some few as controllers.