What Will Follow the Prophet '08, and When?

Re: What Will Follow the Prophet '08, and When?
« Reply #200 on: December 21, 2016, 10:08:32 AM »
Can't find one in stock in the UK.

Should have got one while I had the chance :(

Did you try Thomann?

Yeah, they say it is back in stock at the end of December. I'm not sure if I can believe that now!


Yeah, that makes sense.

Have you tried these?
http://www.kmraudio.com/brands/dave-smith-instruments
http://www.dv247.com/search/0/1787/Relevance/Descending/prophet/1/

Re: What Will Follow the Prophet '08, and When?
« Reply #201 on: December 21, 2016, 10:10:07 AM »
Can't find one in stock in the UK.

Should have got one while I had the chance :(

Have you checked Gear4Music?

They say the same thing as Thomann. Not really trustworthy if one knows that the production has already been cancelled and DSI have none in their stock anymore.

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Re: What Will Follow the Prophet '08, and When?
« Reply #202 on: December 21, 2016, 10:10:39 AM »
The only problem is that I'm now short one mixer channel.

Congratulations! That will be sweet. I ran out of channels (thanks to you  ;)) and recently got a SoundCraft EFX12, 12 channel mixer. You may want to look into them (or a larger one) as they use the same AudioDNA® processor featured in the Lexicon MX400 processor.

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Re: What Will Follow the Prophet '08, and When?
« Reply #203 on: December 21, 2016, 10:17:59 AM »
The only problem is that I'm now short one mixer channel.

Congratulations! That will be sweet. I ran out of channels (thanks to you  ;)) and recently got a SoundCraft EFX12, 12 channel mixer. You may want to look into them (or a larger one) as they use the same AudioDNA® processor featured in the Lexicon MX400 processor.

Oh, sorry about that, Jason.  I'm shipping you one mixer channel through the mail. ;D
 
The mixer I'd like to get is the Mackie 1402VLZ4.  It's just the right size, and it also says, "Okay, enough is enough!"

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/1402VLZ4
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Re: What Will Follow the Prophet '08, and When?
« Reply #204 on: December 21, 2016, 10:59:45 AM »
Oh, sorry about that, Jason.  I'm shipping you one mixer channel through the mail. ;D

Dang, now I'm going to have to get a MiniMoog to fill that one special channel.

Re: What Will Follow the Prophet '08, and When?
« Reply #205 on: December 21, 2016, 11:51:35 AM »
Anyway, meanwhile I'll be working on my next "Prophet '08 System" monster brass pad!

I can't wait to hear it! Just like the Schumann symphony. I'll surely think Judgement Day is nigh.

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Re: What Will Follow the Prophet '08, and When?
« Reply #206 on: December 22, 2016, 04:01:29 PM »
Can't find one in stock in the UK.

Should have got one while I had the chance :(

If you're still looking, Gear4Music apparently have 4 in stock:

http://www.gear4music.com/Keyboards-and-Pianos/Dave-Smith-Instruments-Prophet-08-PE-Synthesizer-Keyboard/BIM

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Re: What Will Follow the Prophet '08, and When?
« Reply #207 on: December 22, 2016, 04:24:00 PM »
Can't find one in stock in the UK.

Should have got one while I had the chance :(

If you're still looking, Gear4Music apparently have 4 in stock:

http://www.gear4music.com/Keyboards-and-Pianos/Dave-Smith-Instruments-Prophet-08-PE-Synthesizer-Keyboard/BIM

Or else, if you're willing to buy from the US, ZZounds still has a number of Prophet '08 Keyboards and Modules.

Sacred Synthesis

Re: What Will Follow the Prophet '08, and When?
« Reply #208 on: December 22, 2016, 04:27:05 PM »
By the way, we should be within a couple of weeks of new instrument hint time.  Tracy should be posting a picture of one of its parameters, as seen through a microscope, just to torment us a bit and work up the NAMM fever.

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Re: What Will Follow the Prophet '08, and When?
« Reply #209 on: December 22, 2016, 05:57:53 PM »
I expect the last ones will go quickly.  There will be plenty available on the used market for years, but the new ones will go quickly, in part, due to the exceptionally low prices.  Those who always wanted one will have no excuse now.

We can't always transfer experiences from one thing to another; but the Moog Little Phatty was discontinued in September 2013, and I bought mine brand new in December 2014, at just over half of the original price. Competition is fierce enough that you'll probably be able to get a new Prophet 08 for quite some time, and new prices will likely go down, not up, throughout 2017.

It's still pretty easy to get a new original Mopho Keyboard, although they're pretty expensive at this point.
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Re: What Will Follow the Prophet '08, and When?
« Reply #210 on: December 22, 2016, 06:21:45 PM »
My sawtooth comment was in response to the popular claim that the characteristic "sound" of a synthesizer has only or primarily to do with the filters, and not the oscillators.  On the old forum, one individual went so far as to say that we never hear an oscillator at all, but only a filter.

I've spent far more time wringing my hands over my oscillator selections than anything else. For most sounds, the oscillator is the starting point, and it couldn't be more important.
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Re: What Will Follow the Prophet '08, and When?
« Reply #211 on: December 22, 2016, 07:18:12 PM »
I expect the last ones will go quickly.  There will be plenty available on the used market for years, but the new ones will go quickly, in part, due to the exceptionally low prices.  Those who always wanted one will have no excuse now.

We can't always transfer experiences from one thing to another; but the Moog Little Phatty was discontinued in September 2013, and I bought mine brand new in December 2014, at just over half of the original price. Competition is fierce enough that you'll probably be able to get a new Prophet 08 for quite some time, and new prices will likely go down, not up, throughout 2017.

It's still pretty easy to get a new original Mopho Keyboard, although they're pretty expensive at this point.

Perhaps, but it's better to be safe than sorry.  I can only pass on my own experiences with discontinued DSI products.  Twice in the past I've taken my time buying retired instruments, and in both cases, when I finally acted, all the new units were gone.  Used Prophet '08's will continue to be easy to find for years, but new ones?  I wouldn't presume again.  That's why I ordered mine yesterday.  Live and learn.
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Re: What Will Follow the Prophet '08, and When?
« Reply #212 on: December 27, 2016, 03:49:57 PM »
This is a bit OT, but as Behringer has been discussed earlier in this thread, I thought I bring it up here. Another reason is that in some of the currently published reviews of the DM12, the Prophet '08 is mentioned amongst the alternative synths that are being compared to the Behringer (I think beyond this forum no one really knows of the Prophet '08's discontinuation yet) as an 'obvious' contender, which makes not that much sense technically speaking, but only when it comes to certain price brackets.

Anyway, yesterday I found a Behringer quote that's about 2 weeks old saying this:
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The team is working on several other synth projects and one of them is to reengineer some of the original Curtis/SSM chips. We are currently considering to bring back some of the famous legacy synths - and all in the most authentic form.
Source: https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-electronic-music-production/990463-behringer-deepmind-12-a-10.html#post12309855

Now, I'm not posting this because I'm so excited about it. But I was rather curious about your thoughts on that matter, especially since one of the "considered instruments" could obviously be the Prophet-5.

Re: What Will Follow the Prophet '08, and When?
« Reply #213 on: December 28, 2016, 05:22:52 AM »
This is a bit OT, but as Behringer has been discussed earlier in this thread, I thought I bring it up here. Another reason is that in some of the currently published reviews of the DM12, the Prophet '08 is mentioned amongst the alternative synths that are being compared to the Behringer (I think beyond this forum no one really knows of the Prophet '08's discontinuation yet) as an 'obvious' contender, which makes not that much sense technically speaking, but only when it comes to certain price brackets.

Anyway, yesterday I found a Behringer quote that's about 2 weeks old saying this:
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The team is working on several other synth projects and one of them is to reengineer some of the original Curtis/SSM chips. We are currently considering to bring back some of the famous legacy synths - and all in the most authentic form.
Source: https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-electronic-music-production/990463-behringer-deepmind-12-a-10.html#post12309855

Now, I'm not posting this because I'm so excited about it. But I was rather curious about your thoughts on that matter, especially since one of the "considered instruments" could obviously be the Prophet-5.

It's certainly "interesting" from a commercial perspective*.

Setting aside my own bias toward paying for American-designed and -made instruments–if I was a touring professional, I'd be more inclined to carry a Music Group-designed and -manufactured instrument along for the ride IF it was branded independently, rather than with a Behringer logo on it.

Therein lies the rub: at a certain price point, I feel much better about spending my money to support smaller, specialist manufacturers that embody a commitment to improving the MI industry with innovative instruments and shared technology, rather than large volume-driven conglomerates whose primary role is to increase shareholder value and reduce manufacturing costs. If Uli B wants to set up a dedicated synthesizer division with its own branding**, then that's a good place to start–the company would necessarily be judged on its own merits, and the sound of its instruments, rather than the notoriety of its corporate parent–even if it's just an illusion of an independent company.

* - Another side effect of this, however, is that it levels the playing field a bit: if DSI can continue to manufacture great-sounding keyboard instruments with analogue filters, and Korg can seemingly generate new Volcas from Petri dishes every six to twelve months, what is wrong with Roland and Yamaha? (Or are they respectfully forgoing this business segment to allow DSI to grow? :-X )

** - IMHO, one of the problems of the Alesis Andromeda was the perception of the brand itself; they certainly did themselves no favors by failing to develop the range beyond a pair of analogue-modeling synths (Ion & Micron) or failing to develop an ecosystem for the voice chips themselves, which would have accomplished something similar to Music Group's intended aim as noted above.
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Re: What Will Follow the Prophet '08, and When?
« Reply #214 on: December 28, 2016, 05:28:30 AM »

Now, I'm not posting this because I'm so excited about it. But I was rather curious about your thoughts on that matter, especially since one of the "considered instruments" could obviously be the Prophet-5.

I for one hope they rerelease every legacy/classic synth as long as they include everything the original had.

Re: What Will Follow the Prophet '08, and When?
« Reply #215 on: December 28, 2016, 05:41:47 AM »
It's certainly "interesting" from a commercial perspective*.

Setting aside my own bias toward paying for American-designed and -made instruments–if I was a touring professional, I'd be more inclined to carry a Music Group-designed and -manufactured instrument along for the ride IF it was branded independently, rather than with a Behringer logo on it.

Therein lies the rub: at a certain price point, I feel much better about spending my money to support smaller, specialist manufacturers that embody a commitment to improving the MI industry with innovative instruments and shared technology, rather than large volume-driven conglomerates whose primary role is to increase shareholder value and reduce manufacturing costs. If Uli B wants to set up a dedicated synthesizer division with its own branding, then that's a good place to start–the company would necessarily be judged on its own merits, and the sound of its instruments, rather than the notoriety of its corporate parent–even if it's just an illusion of an independent company.

* - Another side effect of this, however, is that it levels the playing field a bit: if DSI can continue to manufacture great-sounding keyboard instruments with analogue filters, and Korg can seemingly generate new Volcas from Petri dishes every six to twelve months, what is wrong with Roland and Yamaha? (Or are they respectfully forgoing this business segment to allow DSI to grow? :-X )

But, DSI Instruments in their last couple of releases HAVE dumbed down and reduced manufacturing costs by releasing a 49 keybed instrument (in homage to the Prophet 5 that had 61) then, use the exact same chassis to bring out an Oberheim that had to then have 49 keys and only allowed 6 voices as that was all the prophet 6 template allowed. DSI are already playing this game. Hopefully this was just a blip and they have a serious instrument up their sleeves for Namm.
Otherwise, Uli might bully his way to the top of the synth chain.
As far as name keyboard players not wanting a Behringer badge on their instruments, what if Uli bought another synth manufacturer to release his products under? He already has Midas, Turbosound, TC Electronic and Klark Teknik.
Also, even though badged as a Behringer, the X32 blew everything out of the water in the live digital desk market.
Hopefully, this Behringer synth will make everyone 'up their game'. I think it sounds great but due to the size of the keyboard, I won't be getting one for the studio.

Re: What Will Follow the Prophet '08, and When?
« Reply #216 on: December 28, 2016, 07:22:13 AM »
But, DSI Instruments in their last couple of releases HAVE dumbed down and reduced manufacturing costs by releasing a 49 keybed instrument (in homage to the Prophet 5 that had 61) then, use the exact same chassis to bring out an Oberheim that had to then have 49 keys and only allowed 6 voices as that was all the prophet 6 template allowed. DSI are already playing this game. Hopefully this was just a blip and they have a serious instrument up their sleeves for Namm.
Otherwise, Uli might bully his way to the top of the synth chain.

As an erstwhile product design engineer, I see the shared architecture / mainboard / removable voice card design of the *-6 instruments as smarted-up, not dumbed-down, to be honest. It has absolutely nothing to do with the number of keys.

No matter how much we fight for a traditional organ-width, five-octave past–thing is, for those of us who are our own road crew or are much more limited in terms of on-stage or off-stage footprint, the 49 key + octave transpose buttons form factor probably covers enough of the bases.

In fact–most of the live "player" setups I see have at least one 73+ key MIDI keyboard controller somewhere, including this one:

I also used a 73-key synth-action CME for a few years (still have it), mostly for softsynths, but it's not so practical for local gigs, especially when you're dealing with an appropriate road case in your own vehicle.
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Re: What Will Follow the Prophet '08, and When?
« Reply #217 on: December 28, 2016, 07:35:53 AM »
I think the 5 octave keyboard is really justified if the synth can do splits and layers. The Prophet 6 nor the OB6 have this capability. I'm hoping any new DSI synths have a 5 octave keyboard AND the ability to do splits and layers...otherwise it's just wasted real estate OR not enough real estate (The Roland JDXA having the ability to have multiple splits and layers on a four octave keyboard is a tad annoying)

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Re: What Will Follow the Prophet '08, and When?
« Reply #218 on: December 28, 2016, 09:53:45 AM »
I find it interesting but not surprising at all that someone else tries to enter the polysynth market using cheaper offshore manufacturing and find its okay to make less money on their instruments than a boutique operation like DSI need to do. After all that is how the competition in a market works.

My primary concern is how DSI will handle this competition and how DSI will position themselves in the market in the future. Maybe its popcorn time? Just sit back and watch the fun. But lets not forget that DSI have a long experience in designing new instruments that "copycat newcomers" do not have. Yeah, NAMM time definitely calls for plenty of popcorns.

And before I sound too much like a DSI fanboy let me emphasize that I have backed of from such a position in recent years in favor of looking at what actually happens instead of hoping for what they really should do in a perfect world. Because that part of the world is indeed very skilled on many fronts but definitely not perfect!
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Re: What Will Follow the Prophet '08, and When?
« Reply #219 on: December 28, 2016, 11:01:08 AM »
I think the 5 octave keyboard is really justified if the synth can do splits and layers. The Prophet 6 nor the OB6 have this capability. I'm hoping any new DSI synths have a 5 octave keyboard AND the ability to do splits and layers...otherwise it's just wasted real estate OR not enough real estate (The Roland JDXA having the ability to have multiple splits and layers on a four octave keyboard is a tad annoying)

Absolutely.  A five-octave keyboard with velocity and after touch and the ability to do splits and layers are as basic as having (at least) two 4-stage envelopes.  Anything less on a polyphonic synthesizer and the instrument is of no interest to me.