Effects and the Prophet 5/10

Effects and the Prophet 5/10
« on: April 17, 2025, 06:42:38 PM »
For studio use, how and what are folks using for effects for the P5/10? Are you running pedals between the synth and your interface? or something else? What effects units work great?
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Re: Effects and the Prophet 5/10
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2025, 06:54:46 PM »
I'm always drawn to this particular question, because I find the Prophet 5 to be such a complete protein in its own right. Meaning, it sounds so full, so total all on its own.

That said, I've been running mine for a couple years now through an old Effectron unit. It adds more mystery to the already mysterious sound of the P5. I've also taken to running the P5 into an old Boss mixer, the BX-800. Not quite an effect, but the Boss overdrives quite nicely and even at low levels of distortion adds a nice "extra-ness" to the Prophet.

I'm a bit tempted to pick up Klark Technik BBD-320. I often use the UAD Studio Chorus plugin and it might be nice to have the Prophet living inside a hardware version...

Re: Effects and the Prophet 5/10
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2025, 12:49:21 AM »
I use Behringer June pedal ("clone" of Juno chorus). It's ON at least 80% of the time and I really love it.
Sometimes I also use the Eventide Space reverb (but just a touch) and Strymon Timeline.

Re: Effects and the Prophet 5/10
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2025, 03:26:11 AM »
Mainly Strymon Big Sky mk II when playing DAW-less.

When using hardware with DAW Lexicon PCM80. Had a Bricasti M7 before as well but traded it for a nice Fender Rhodes with a friend but kept the PCM80 as it, in my ears, sounds better with old/old style synths than the more expensive M7.

I normally don’t use modulation effects with the P5 (stack it instead when recording and in that way don’t get any phase issues) but when I do it’s through Klark BBD-320.

Of course it’s related to what music one makes, in my case it’s ambient music most of the time, but when just play around it’s somehow more upbeat as well.
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Re: Effects and the Prophet 5/10
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2025, 06:15:36 AM »
For recording beyond the mono dry signal:
* Strymon Deco’s tape saturation
* Chase Bliss Audio Thermae (modulation mode)
* Strymon Volante (drum mode)

I have others but these are the ones that I actually bake in when composing.

If you like experimenting, then Chase Bliss Audio Onward is pretty exciting with the Prophet, not only because it comes with a mono in stereo out mode.
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Re: Effects and the Prophet 5/10
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2025, 03:23:30 PM »
I did use the TC June 60 for a while but I got some really weird inharmonic resonances on a fair patches so I decided to sell it.

I’ve been using a bunch of my Source Audio pedals now (Ventris, Nemesis ADT, Collider, Artifakt (for the chorus, tape saturation and microverb) and the Encounter (ambient-focused delay/reverb) I’m beta testing).

Re: Effects and the Prophet 5/10
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2025, 03:48:34 PM »
For studio use, how and what are folks using for effects for the P5/10? Are you running pedals between the synth and your interface? or something else? What effects units work great?
Bit late here, but I just got my Prophet 5. I’m going through (using hardware as inserts) a Neve 88M AD/DA, a Neve 1073N, Neve 2264ALB comp, Neve AMS RMX 16 reverb or Lexicon PCM91 and/or Eventide Eclipse. Not that it needs any extra oomph, but I can shape things a bit on the way in. All into ProTools, sounds Heavenly. And huge. My first synth, and probably my lifer.

Re: Effects and the Prophet 5/10
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2025, 11:47:01 AM »
For studio use, how and what are folks using for effects for the P5/10? Are you running pedals between the synth and your interface? or something else? What effects units work great?
  If I want effects, I use U-he Uhbik for reverb.  But I find the sound of the Prophet 10 to be rich and often don't need much effects.

Re: Effects and the Prophet 5/10
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2025, 03:00:27 PM »
Well, basically there are 3 basic effects for synths: Reverb, delay and chorus. Then there of course many others such Compressor, EQ etc that has shaped the sound of about every Prophet 5 recording that has been a reference for how a Prophet 5 sounds. Also many times the sound has been layered. When playing with other instruments it’s up to the music context what effects to use.

My favorite effect is a large reverb to my Prophet 5 as I like to gravitate around ambient music.

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Re: Effects and the Prophet 5/10
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2025, 12:49:06 AM »
I had reverb on it for a while but I don't even use that anymore.  Now all I do lately is the thing with the stereo running the sound thru about 10 sends and each has an eq set to different frequency ranges and pointed to different directions L to R, then they are all directed back to a stereo bus.  Reverb not even necessary.  I was using it before I started using this.  But Reverb either or both sets a longer decay or makes a stereo field width.  Since Prophet covers its own delay and release, then the only thing you would get from reverb would be the width.  The EQ/pan array has that covered in my DAW. 

I mean some Reverbs say they add height or size to a room  I guess that's something different.  But I am just using these eqs right now.  But if you are looking for good FXs the Arturia FX collection is the best option I have found so far.  Despite some plugins being free, and I have used them too and there are plenty in fact I used the Dragonfly Reverb until I recently developed this EQ template I'm using now.
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Re: Effects and the Prophet 5/10
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2025, 03:34:55 PM »
I had reverb on it for a while but I don't even use that anymore.  Now all I do lately is the thing with the stereo running the sound thru about 10 sends and each has an eq set to different frequency ranges and pointed to different directions L to R, then they are all directed back to a stereo bus.  Reverb not even necessary.  I was using it before I started using this.  But Reverb either or both sets a longer decay or makes a stereo field width.  Since Prophet covers its own delay and release, then the only thing you would get from reverb would be the width.  The EQ/pan array has that covered in my DAW. 

I mean some Reverbs say they add height or size to a room  I guess that's something different.  But I am just using these eqs right now.  But if you are looking for good FXs the Arturia FX collection is the best option I have found so far.  Despite some plugins being free, and I have used them too and there are plenty in fact I used the Dragonfly Reverb until I recently developed this EQ template I'm using now.
  That's  great idea - using sends to spread the signal.

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Re: Effects and the Prophet 5/10
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2025, 06:48:44 AM »
But Reverb either or both sets a longer decay or makes a stereo field width.  Since Prophet covers its own delay and release, then the only thing you would get from reverb would be the width.  The EQ/pan array has that covered in my DAW.

Beyond sustain and stereo field, a reverb can add colour to a sound. Nevertheless, I understand that in your DAW you are still able to add colouring by reverb on a dedicated track.

Your idea with EQ'd sends is actually a great idea. How do you set the various EQs to avoid phase cancellation? Do you add effects only on the stereo bus?

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Re: Effects and the Prophet 5/10
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2025, 02:39:38 PM »
Your idea with EQ'd sends is actually a great idea. How do you set the various EQs to avoid phase cancellation? Do you add effects only on the stereo bus?

I just played with the sound.  It is not ideal right now I think the bass is too loud on the left and is somewhat distorted at some points.  That's just my excessive eq volume on one or more of the eqs.  I spent a couple of hours tweaking the current sounds.  I forgot about the phase cancelling.  Someone else would probably be doing a better job using a scope or something.  Probably should run a scope on it/them but that is pretty tricky stuff for me I am just going with what sounds good to my ears. I went from L to R in a even distribution mathematically, then I focused on different notes of the keyboard (on one particular program) when I set the frequency for each eq.  I'm sure it's not perfect.

I have a few different listening points the headphones, and a pair of speakers coming from either side of a room.


Beyond sustain and stereo field, a reverb can add colour to a sound. Nevertheless, I understand that in your DAW you are still able to add colouring by reverb on a dedicated track.


When you do it with the EQ you are trying to spread out the sound on a frequency basis like some synths that play in stereo spread the sound on a voice by voice basis.  This gets muddied by any FX reverb anywhere in the setup.  That's why I took it off.
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Re: Effects and the Prophet 5/10
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2025, 05:17:09 PM »
Your idea with EQ'd sends is actually a great idea. How do you set the various EQs to avoid phase cancellation? Do you add effects only on the stereo bus?

I just played with the sound.  It is not ideal right now I think the bass is too loud on the left and is somewhat distorted at some points.  That's just my excessive eq volume on one or more of the eqs.  I spent a couple of hours tweaking the current sounds.  I forgot about the phase cancelling.  Someone else would probably be doing a better job using a scope or something.  Probably should run a scope on it/them but that is pretty tricky stuff for me I am just going with what sounds good to my ears. I went from L to R in a even distribution mathematically, then I focused on different notes of the keyboard (on one particular program) when I set the frequency for each eq.  I'm sure it's not perfect.

I have a few different listening points the headphones, and a pair of speakers coming from either side of a room.


Beyond sustain and stereo field, a reverb can add colour to a sound. Nevertheless, I understand that in your DAW you are still able to add colouring by reverb on a dedicated track.


When you do it with the EQ you are trying to spread out the sound on a frequency basis like some synths that play in stereo spread the sound on a voice by voice basis.  This gets muddied by any FX reverb anywhere in the setup.  That's why I took it off.

As a general rule, with mid-side processing (which is pretty much  what's being discussed here) it is considered a good practice to send all the lows down the middle.. you might find some happy accidents outside that consensus, but overall most agree that maximum creative flexibility exists in panning mid-highs and sending lows up the middle.

As far as reverb -- there have been some great plugins emerge in the last few years that I will mention here.  Strymon Cloudburst and Eventide Blackhole Immersive, for those seeking that particular kind of sound, are better than much of the free or cheap stuff out there.  Despite all progress plugins have made in recent years, I still think some pedals just, plain and simply, sound better.  Examples are MercuryX (more for dreamy stuff but possibly my best overall), OTO BAM (one of my faves for vintage sounding reverb, currently on my P10)... notice these are not cheap pedals. 

One of the reasons they sound so good is the curated nature of the reverb algorithms -- someone has already spent a lot of time figuring out specific formulas for a mono signal and how to send it out panning in a particular way, and those presets can sometimes be a defining instrument characteristic.  If a guitarist picks up a Gibson Les Paul it sounds different than a Fender Jazzmaster, because of specific curated design choices made along the way.  I see specific pedal algorithms as similar in that way.  Sometimes it's about searching for a specific sound, and other times it's about a specific sound finding you, and inspiring you to build upon it. 

If writing songs is your thing I wouldn't get too caught up in the particulars of all of the above.  One of the reasons the Prophet 5 was so popular in the first place is that tracks got recorded mono, then multi-tracked to produce different vibes.  We live in an age of "instant gratification" where we want those instant vibes out of the box, but if you track audio in mono you actually have a lot more options with what you can do with it later than figuring out the ideal path of the stereo signal in.



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Re: Effects and the Prophet 5/10
« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2025, 11:27:28 AM »


As a general rule, with mid-side processing (which is pretty much  what's being discussed here) it is considered a good practice to send all the lows down the middle.. you might find some happy accidents outside that consensus, but overall most agree that maximum creative flexibility exists in panning mid-highs and sending lows up the middle.

As far as reverb -- there have been some great plugins emerge in the last few years that I will mention here.  Strymon Cloudburst and Eventide Blackhole Immersive, for those seeking that particular kind of sound, are better than much of the free or cheap stuff out there.  Despite all progress plugins have made in recent years, I still think some pedals just, plain and simply, sound better.  Examples are MercuryX (more for dreamy stuff but possibly my best overall), OTO BAM (one of my faves for vintage sounding reverb, currently on my P10)... notice these are not cheap pedals. 

One of the reasons they sound so good is the curated nature of the reverb algorithms -- someone has already spent a lot of time figuring out specific formulas for a mono signal and how to send it out panning in a particular way, and those presets can sometimes be a defining instrument characteristic.  If a guitarist picks up a Gibson Les Paul it sounds different than a Fender Jazzmaster, because of specific curated design choices made along the way.  I see specific pedal algorithms as similar in that way.  Sometimes it's about searching for a specific sound, and other times it's about a specific sound finding you, and inspiring you to build upon it. 

If writing songs is your thing I wouldn't get too caught up in the particulars of all of the above.  One of the reasons the Prophet 5 was so popular in the first place is that tracks got recorded mono, then multi-tracked to produce different vibes.  We live in an age of "instant gratification" where we want those instant vibes out of the box, but if you track audio in mono you actually have a lot more options with what you can do with it later than figuring out the ideal path of the stereo signal in.


I was thinking about it, and I was playing with the eqs I had set up today, and thinking about AI.  Thinking maybe there could be an AI based plugin that could run the eqs up and down every time a new frequency voice got heard.  Or maybe that plugin could run the mid sides setup this way and change it to the best sound balance when the program is changed you do a 'listen' operation and the AI sets the EQs after you play for a minute to get a varying mid side sort of thing.  Can't make something like it myself, but it would be useful because every program of the prophet is so different from every other.
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Re: Effects and the Prophet 5/10
« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2025, 04:30:06 AM »
I recently decided to try my old Lexicon MX200 (which has been resting on a shelf for what I guess must have been about ten years) with my P5. And I was really surprised how well the old algorithms, even though budget line, sounded. Something slightly lofi but still very nice sounding about it.

And one thing that also surprised me was how much better the presets on this thing sounded than on any modern hardware fx or plugin. Nowadays, every fx manufacturer seems to try and show off by programming the most ridiculous fx presets where the end result has been transformed so much that you can't tell if the dry signal was a synth or a guitar any more. Not on the MX200!

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Re: Effects and the Prophet 5/10
« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2025, 06:09:31 AM »
I recently decided to try my old Lexicon MX200 (which has been resting on a shelf for what I guess must have been about ten years) with my P5. And I was really surprised how well the old algorithms, even though budget line, sounded. Something slightly lofi but still very nice sounding about it.

And one thing that also surprised me was how much better the presets on this thing sounded than on any modern hardware fx or plugin. Nowadays, every fx manufacturer seems to try and show off by programming the most ridiculous fx presets where the end result has been transformed so much that you can't tell if the dry signal was a synth or a guitar any more. Not on the MX200!

I too am a fan of transparent reverbs that give space and dimension to the dry signal while preserving it.  In terms of modern hardware, I have two pedals that do this really well:  the OTO Bam, and the MercuryX.  The Bam is pretty much all vintage/transparent reverb types, where the MercuryX is partially how you described above -- it shows off its power with a lot of shimmery / modulated settings when scrolling through the first few presets, but keep going and you'll find presets with good hall/room/plate, etc. later in the list which are the same as the Chase Bliss CXM1978 pedal.  And, its very easy to program your own presets from scratch or modify existing ones using the pedal UI, the best UI of this type I've seen.
For software plugins with a transparent/vintage sound I've always liked Eventide SP2016 (sounds great and its cheap).
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Re: Effects and the Prophet 5/10
« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2025, 03:14:47 PM »
Rearranged the studio, nor the Prophet 5 is connected to Strymon Big Sky MX. The reason is to use the P5 for ambient landscapes and similar ambient music. So far so good.

Re: Effects and the Prophet 5/10
« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2025, 04:04:57 PM »
Rearranged the studio, nor the Prophet 5 is connected to Strymon Big Sky MX. The reason is to use the P5 for ambient landscapes and similar ambient music. So far so good.
Would love to hear this !

Re: Effects and the Prophet 5/10
« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2025, 03:17:47 PM »
I use a Vongon Ultrasheer reverb pedal for my P10, it has a simple plate reverb that sounds really good. I recently got a moogerfooger phaser which has an additional output, with mild phasing it creates a nice faux stereo image. I also have a dedicated Vongon Polyphrase stereo delay connected to it. Right now it's Phaser > Delay > Reverb.

I have tried to use various chorus pedals to make stereo, but I find that they steal some tone.