Glide options like the OB-X8

Glide options like the OB-X8
« on: September 08, 2024, 01:59:14 PM »
Does anyone know if there are different glide settings on the P10 like the OB-X8? I'd like the same constant upward portamento effect, fixed time settings, and regular mode selectable in the menu.

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Re: Glide options like the OB-X8
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2024, 05:51:48 PM »
Does anyone know if there are different glide settings on the P10 like the OB-X8? I'd like the same constant upward portamento effect, fixed time settings, and regular mode selectable in the menu.

The Prophet 5/10 is a synth with a very simple UI, and the simplicity is what made the original machine magical.  It has no menu.  I can only pray it doesn't become conflated with a gazillion hidden keypress combinations that attempt to put it somewhere in a maze of permutations, making it more like a crossword puzzle adapted for braile than a musical instrument. :) 

The OB-X8 has a screen with menu options that are better suited for that kind of thing.  But it's biggest criticism has been that it sounds great but is too menu divey.  Funny how options sometimes work against the goal of making good sounding music.  The P5/10 is a "less is more" synth, I believe.
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Re: Glide options like the OB-X8
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2024, 07:22:52 AM »
Does anyone know if there are different glide settings on the P10 like the OB-X8? I'd like the same constant upward portamento effect, fixed time settings, and regular mode selectable in the menu.

The Prophet 5/10 is a synth with a very simple UI, and the simplicity is what made the original machine magical.  It has no menu.  I can only pray it doesn't become conflated with a gazillion hidden keypress combinations that attempt to put it somewhere in a maze of permutations, making it more like a crossword puzzle adapted for braile than a musical instrument. :) 

The OB-X8 has a screen with menu options that are better suited for that kind of thing.  But it's biggest criticism has been that it sounds great but is too menu divey.  Funny how options sometimes work against the goal of making good sounding music.  The P5/10 is a "less is more" synth, I believe.
I'm growing tired from the long-winded dissertations on the virtue of simplicity. I respect your desire for simplicity, but adding a glide option doesn't change your user experience. You can choose to not use it. For example,  holding keyboard and turning the glide knob has zero impact on your experience and desire for simplicity. If I want more complexity, it's there. This is a 21st century instrument, not an exact recreation. The slop knob was new as is a host of other features. This is a pretty simple request.

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Re: Glide options like the OB-X8
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2024, 04:38:52 PM »
Does anyone know if there are different glide settings on the P10 like the OB-X8? I'd like the same constant upward portamento effect, fixed time settings, and regular mode selectable in the menu.

The Prophet 5/10 is a synth with a very simple UI, and the simplicity is what made the original machine magical.  It has no menu.  I can only pray it doesn't become conflated with a gazillion hidden keypress combinations that attempt to put it somewhere in a maze of permutations, making it more like a crossword puzzle adapted for braile than a musical instrument. :) 

The OB-X8 has a screen with menu options that are better suited for that kind of thing.  But it's biggest criticism has been that it sounds great but is too menu divey.  Funny how options sometimes work against the goal of making good sounding music.  The P5/10 is a "less is more" synth, I believe.
I'm growing tired from the long-winded dissertations on the virtue of simplicity. I respect your desire for simplicity, but adding a glide option doesn't change your user experience. You can choose to not use it. For example,  holding keyboard and turning the glide knob has zero impact on your experience and desire for simplicity. If I want more complexity, it's there. This is a 21st century instrument, not an exact recreation. The slop knob was new as is a host of other features. This is a pretty simple request.

Not knocking your point of view, just exercising my own right to have one as well.   Every new feature that's hidden behind a keypress combo becomes something that could put the synth into another mode inadvertently, so it's not just an issue of deciding not to use it.  The Rev4 has a very simple set of controls.  If it had a screen like the 3rd Wave where you can easily see the current setting for a bewildering number of possibilities, I wouldn't call it out as a problem, but the Rev4 was meant as a reissue to capture the magic of the original, and limitations were a big part of that original magic.  Like you tire of hearing about simplicity, I'm tired of everyone wanting the Rev4 to become a kitchen sink synth with lots of hidden button combo modes; there are other synths that already try to be all things to all people.

Who knows, maybe they'll include your feature request one day; and if so, then so be it.  I would never suggest anyone suppress discussing their list of wants, I just don't want to be expected to supress mine.
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Re: Glide options like the OB-X8
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2024, 01:30:41 AM »
Does anyone know if there are different glide settings on the P10 like the OB-X8? I'd like the same constant upward portamento effect, fixed time settings, and regular mode selectable in the menu.
The Prophet-10 does offer glide (portamento) settings, but it does not have as many specific glide modes as the OB-X8, which includes features like constant time and fixed upward portamento. On the Prophet-10, glide settings are generally more straightforward, with a single control for adjusting glide time, but it lacks the deeper customization options available in the OB-X8's menu. You may need to manually adjust the glide time for similar effects.

Re: Glide options like the OB-X8
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2024, 09:00:44 AM »
Does anyone know if there are different glide settings on the P10 like the OB-X8? I'd like the same constant upward portamento effect, fixed time settings, and regular mode selectable in the menu.

The Prophet 5/10 is a synth with a very simple UI, and the simplicity is what made the original machine magical.  It has no menu.  I can only pray it doesn't become conflated with a gazillion hidden keypress combinations that attempt to put it somewhere in a maze of permutations, making it more like a crossword puzzle adapted for braile than a musical instrument. :) 

The OB-X8 has a screen with menu options that are better suited for that kind of thing.  But it's biggest criticism has been that it sounds great but is too menu divey.  Funny how options sometimes work against the goal of making good sounding music.  The P5/10 is a "less is more" synth, I believe.
I'm growing tired from the long-winded dissertations on the virtue of simplicity. I respect your desire for simplicity, but adding a glide option doesn't change your user experience. You can choose to not use it. For example,  holding keyboard and turning the glide knob has zero impact on your experience and desire for simplicity. If I want more complexity, it's there. This is a 21st century instrument, not an exact recreation. The slop knob was new as is a host of other features. This is a pretty simple request.

Not knocking your point of view, just exercising my own right to have one as well.   Every new feature that's hidden behind a keypress combo becomes something that could put the synth into another mode inadvertently, so it's not just an issue of deciding not to use it.  The Rev4 has a very simple set of controls.  If it had a screen like the 3rd Wave where you can easily see the current setting for a bewildering number of possibilities, I wouldn't call it out as a problem, but the Rev4 was meant as a reissue to capture the magic of the original, and limitations were a big part of that original magic.  Like you tire of hearing about simplicity, I'm tired of everyone wanting the Rev4 to become a kitchen sink synth with lots of hidden button combo modes; there are other synths that already try to be all things to all people.

Who knows, maybe they'll include your feature request one day; and if so, then so be it.  I would never suggest anyone suppress discussing their list of wants, I just don't want to be expected to supress mine.

You are absolutely entitled to your point of view. I'm not looking for a Sega Genesis button-combo experience either. However, the way in which I suggested the glide options be implemented is free of accidental settings. The stack and split volume adjustment (preset + volume knob) is pretty straightforward, and I never accidentally adjust it. I do use that functionality all the time! The keyboard + glide knob turn in conjunction with the screen will work just fine. At the moment, holding keyboard brings up the note priority modes. If the glide knob is turned the screen could momentarily show the glide settings and then revert back to the note priority menu. 6 o'clock being regular glide, noon being fixed-time, and 4 o'clock being constant upward glide. I highly doubt anyone will accidentally touch the glide knob while pressing the keyboard button. Plus, with a two second screen change to show the setting, the user is alerted to any changes.  Maybe Sequential has a more elegant way to implement it. I've taken the time to memorize the button combos, and it greatly improves my experience with the synth, especially with the stack/splits.  I'll leave it to Sequential to make a decision. I'm not going to beat this drum forever. Thanks for listening!

Re: Glide options like the OB-X8
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2024, 01:33:38 PM »
I agree with the idea of more glide options. But seeing that the latest firmware update is over 2 years old and the company is under a new ownership I’m thinking that perhaps we have reached the end of development. Just a thought of mine

Re: Glide options like the OB-X8
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2024, 01:38:06 PM »
I agree with the idea of more glide options. But seeing that the latest firmware update is over 2 years old and the company is under a new ownership I’m thinking that perhaps we have reached the end of development. Just a thought of mine

I say this lightheartedly, but "end of development" for a synth that was originally released in 1978... Dave and Sequential have more than given us our money's worth on this wonderful instrument!

Re: Glide options like the OB-X8
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2024, 02:42:00 PM »
I’m sure it’ll get further updates: there are a few acknowledged bugs still to be addressed.