The Take5_Factory_Set1_v1.0.syx erroneously writes over user banks!

I just installed firmware 2.0, very good job, thanks!

I wanted to reinstall the original factory programs (banks 1-8) and downloaded the corresponding file from the support page:
https://www.sequential.com/download-take-5-sound-banks/

The link is this:
https://davesmith.wpenginepowered.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Take5-Factory-Programs-Set1.zip

However the sysex file is erroneously programmed to write over the user banks 1-8 instead of factory banks 1-8. If you open it in a hex editor you will see that it starts with:
F0 01 35 02 00

The fifth byte should not be 00 (the first user bank) but 10 instead (the first factory bank).

Luckily I have my user presets backed up but someone may inadvertently overwrite and lose all his user banks, so Sequential should fix this.

Re: The Take5_Factory_Set1_v1.0.syx erroneously writes over user banks!
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2023, 01:24:53 AM »
I just installed firmware 2.0, very good job, thanks!

I wanted to reinstall the original factory programs (banks 1-8) and downloaded the corresponding file from the support page:
https://www.sequential.com/download-take-5-sound-banks/

The link is this:
https://davesmith.wpenginepowered.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Take5-Factory-Programs-Set1.zip

However the sysex file is erroneously programmed to write over the user banks 1-8 instead of factory banks 1-8. If you open it in a hex editor you will see that it starts with:
F0 01 35 02 00

The fifth byte should not be 00 (the first user bank) but 10 instead (the first factory bank).

Luckily I have my user presets backed up but someone may inadvertently overwrite and lose all his user banks, so Sequential should fix this.

Yes, Iíve noticed this yesterday, too. Thanks for your solution with editing the hex data. (Of course I also had backed up all my programs before updating.)

Re: The Take5_Factory_Set1_v1.0.syx erroneously writes over user banks!
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2023, 01:37:28 AM »
Yes, Iíve noticed this yesterday, too. Thanks for your solution with editing the hex data. (Of course I also had backed up all my programs before updating.)

Glad it helped. Just to clarify for others. If you want to not overwrite your user banks with the Sequential file, open it in a hex editor and do the following eight find/replace-all commands:

F0 01 35 02 00 -> F0 01 35 02 10
F0 01 35 02 01 -> F0 01 35 02 11
F0 01 35 02 02 -> F0 01 35 02 12
F0 01 35 02 03 -> F0 01 35 02 13
F0 01 35 02 04 -> F0 01 35 02 14
F0 01 35 02 05 -> F0 01 35 02 15
F0 01 35 02 06 -> F0 01 35 02 16
F0 01 35 02 07 -> F0 01 35 02 17
« Last Edit: April 07, 2023, 01:40:10 AM by CyberGene »

Re: The Take5_Factory_Set1_v1.0.syx erroneously writes over user banks!
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2023, 02:19:16 AM »
FYI: Here is the edited sysex file. I've just checked it with my Take 5 and it works as it should.

Thanks again to CyberGene!

tomcc

Re: The Take5_Factory_Set1_v1.0.syx erroneously writes over user banks!
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2023, 02:39:20 AM »
I installed update and loaded both the factory banks but my user banks 1 to 8 were not affected. They have remained as before update . The 2nd factory bank installed to 9-16  on both factory and user banks but any change to user banks does not affect factory bank as it previously did. Dont know why yours was affected but mine loaded as they should and left user bank 1-8 untouched

Re: The Take5_Factory_Set1_v1.0.syx erroneously writes over user banks!
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2023, 04:11:27 AM »
I installed update and loaded both the factory banks but my user banks 1 to 8 were not affected. They have remained as before update . The 2nd factory bank installed to 9-16  on both factory and user banks but any change to user banks does not affect factory bank as it previously did. Dont know why yours was affected but mine loaded as they should and left user bank 1-8 untouched

Are you sure we're talking about the same thing?

Sequential currently provides:

- Original programs, banks 1-8
- New programs, banks 9-16.

The original (factory) programs come in a single file that has (erroneously) been programmed to install them NOT in factory banks 1-8 but in user banks 1-8. That's the problem this thread is about.

The new programs 9-16 come in two files:
1. File that installs the new programs in factory banks 9-16
2. File that installs the new programs in user banks 9-16

So, you have a choice which one to install, but they are basically the same programs. The same should have been made for original programs 1-8: you choose whether you want to put them in factory 1-8 or user 1-8. But by default they now go in user 1-8 where users store their own programs (as the name suggests) and will lose them.

tomcc

Re: The Take5_Factory_Set1_v1.0.syx erroneously writes over user banks!
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2023, 06:35:08 AM »
I think you are correct . I did install two banks but in retrospect I installed the two new banks. I did download the original bank but did not load it. I thought I did thats why my user bank remained intact. Sorry for confusion

gus

Re: The Take5_Factory_Set1_v1.0.syx erroneously writes over user banks!
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2023, 09:55:15 AM »
File naming was updated for clarity. In the past, all of our 'factory' sound banks load to the user slots, which is outlined in the readme. The new 'Set2' requires separate files for the factory and user slots, so the original 'Set1' was renamed to reflect this. Apologies for any confusion here. Enjoy the new sounds!
Sequential | Oberheim

Re: The Take5_Factory_Set1_v1.0.syx erroneously writes over user banks!
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2023, 11:56:54 AM »
File naming was updated for clarity. In the past, all of our 'factory' sound banks load to the user slots, which is outlined in the readme. The new 'Set2' requires separate files for the factory and user slots, so the original 'Set1' was renamed to reflect this. Apologies for any confusion here. Enjoy the new sounds!
Thanks for the clarification. The update is great and the new factory sounds 9-16 are a welcome addition, I've already played many of them and they continue the tradition of adding usable sounds for musicians rather than flashy but unusable sounds 👍🏻

I know I am becoming a nuisance but now there's one folder inside the archive that is named "Set 1 Banks 1-16 USER" which is confusing since those are only banks 1-8 and not 1-16.

Re: The Take5_Factory_Set1_v1.0.syx erroneously writes over user banks!
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2023, 06:43:42 PM »
I think this doesn't affect me because I never updated past 1.0.0, and consequently never had the extra banks. Moreover, the SoundTower editor was too buggy for me to keep using for gig prep, so I never tried overwriting the factory banks.

As as result, as far as I know, there was also no need for me to worry about reinstalling factory banks 1-8. Laziness worked in my favor!

On the other hand, I'm now playing around with 2.0 and have loaded the alt tunings update + factory & user banks 9-G (I'm mildly surprised it wasn't configured to hexadecimal enumeration, i.e. 10=0, 11=A, 12=B, etc). The new sounds are pretty sick! Haven't had time to jump into the new features, but will this weekend for sure.