Compare/preview when saving presets/programs?

Compare/preview when saving presets/programs?
« on: June 16, 2022, 03:00:47 AM »
Hi
Read manual and it seems to state
- press Write
- press Global to enter Compare
- navigate and listen to presets and decide which spot to save at
- press Global to exit Compare
- AGAIN NAVIGATE TO THE SPOT WHERE YOU WANT TO OVERWRITE
- press Write to finalize

What seems odd to me is the line i capital letters?
- am I getting that right?
- you don't have that spot where you exit Compare preselected ready to save just by a press, or?

Seems a bit cumbersome to walk through maybe banks away, and then have to redo it again before saving i made.

Manual is 2/19 probably feb 2019 then.

Or is this altered with a fw update since ?

Regards

Re: Compare/preview when saving presets/programs?
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2022, 02:27:09 AM »
Perhaps I have misunderstood (and haven’t used the compare function for a while) but you don’t have to ‘navigate’ as such - when storing the program you simply select the location number you want to store at and hit write, and that’s it. Is that what you meant or did I get the wrong end of the stick?

Re: Compare/preview when saving presets/programs?
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2022, 04:30:59 AM »
Thanks.

Normal situation is that once writing to all free locations once, there are a lot of intermediate saves made. A just a few keepers.

So when writing over you want to check by listening first, and do compare thingy, this is a keeper or not.
So from manual it seems so many unnecessary operations, as I read it.

With Nordlead, you press store once and immediately listen to current as stored before keeping edit buffer.
You just browse and listening to as many presets as you want and just decide you will overwrite this one you are listening to - and press Store again. Done.

Polybrute is similar, hold Write and press any matrix button in this or another page and you start listening to that location. Just press the next, the next and so forth and when feel like nothing interesting there - you press ok to overwrite, press ok again unless you want to change category of the preset.

For Prophet 6 I read it as
- first exit compare once you found something to overwrite, by pressing global again
- then again navigate to the bank+preset you just left in compare mode.
- press write to finalize.

You have to repeat the navigating process twice for every save, or am I misreading this?

Most of the time it's very small differences editing, and make plenty intermediate saves. Then go back and edit those I still find interesting and go in another direction, kind of. So memory is scattered very soon with keepers and those I will overwrite.

Just the way I enjoy the most doing exploration of what a synth offer.

The way Nordlead and Polybrute do preview before overwriting is so smooth, with minimum keypresses.
Once you listen to one location you will overwrite, you just execute the write.

Re: Compare/preview when saving presets/programs?
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2022, 10:29:11 AM »

You have to repeat the navigating process twice for every save, or am I misreading this?

Most of the time it's very small differences editing, and make plenty intermediate saves. Then go back and edit those I still find interesting and go in another direction, kind of. So memory is scattered very soon with keepers and those I will overwrite.

Yes - when you find a patch you want to overwrite you don’t press an overwrite button, instead you then exit Compare mode and then save the patch to the location of your choice. So if you cycled to patch 212 in Compare mode and you want to overwrite that then you leave Compare mode and hit  212 to write it there. ‘Compare’ and ‘Write’ are essentially two separate things.

I don’t understand your second point about things getting ‘scattered’ - you have to press a couple more buttons to overwrite but I don’t see the difference between the order in which the patches are stored between the Prophet 6 and the other synths you mentioned, unless I missed something perhaps.

Re: Compare/preview when saving presets/programs?
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2022, 06:59:17 AM »
Thanks for clarifying.

By "scattered" I just mean, first round all locations are free to overwrite and you save to adjacent locations, but some of them are keeper and others not next round you go back and continue. So might be 6 or 7 intermediate to overwrite and then one keeper, then 15 to overwrite and one keeper and so on. Just by accident in how you happend to save intermediates in previous round.

I think it might be easier to use compare and take notes of a couple of locations to overwrite on a paper, then continue working on sounds and save where not keepers. How I do it on Prologue basically, not having compare.

Just collecting Pros and Cons if getting one synth or the other. Compare on Prophet 6 does not collect any points in that regard. Prologue has this Favorite marker on a preset, so I just take notes of 5-10 free locations not having Favorite marker on browsing a bit before starting to modify. The continue modifying a preset and know where to save next.

Re: Compare/preview when saving presets/programs?
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2022, 11:21:37 AM »
Thanks for clarifying.

By "scattered" I just mean, first round all locations are free to overwrite and you save to adjacent locations, but some of them are keeper and others not next round you go back and continue. So might be 6 or 7 intermediate to overwrite and then one keeper, then 15 to overwrite and one keeper and so on. Just by accident in how you happend to save intermediates in previous round.

I think it might be easier to use compare and take notes of a couple of locations to overwrite on a paper, then continue working on sounds and save where not keepers. How I do it on Prologue basically, not having compare.

Just collecting Pros and Cons if getting one synth or the other. Compare on Prophet 6 does not collect any points in that regard. Prologue has this Favorite marker on a preset, so I just take notes of 5-10 free locations not having Favorite marker on browsing a bit before starting to modify. The continue modifying a preset and know where to save next.

OK got you - apologies, I thought you had a Prophet 6 and were trying to figure it out.

Yes, you are correct. I love the Prophet 6 and think it’s a great synth, but when it comes to patch management it is pretty old school (the OB6 is the same). You only get the two digit display and that’s it, and no one is going to memorise 500 patch locations! I personally keep a pad next to mine (again old school - pen and paper!), but it actually works quite well. But you do need to keep disciplined about it - also I don’t tend ti keep many ‘versions’ of the same patch, so it doesn’t affect me too much.

If you’re someone who works by keeping multiple versions of a patch as you tweak it though then yes that it a genuine consideration if you’re thinking about  getting a Prophet 6. There are other solutions to keeping a pen and paper handy though, for example there are editors available if you hook it up to a computer / laptop / tablet etc. In fact if you did want to keep multiple versions of patches that is probably worth looking into as well before deciding - it also means you’re not limited to 500 locations, and you can take easy backups while you work, as well as being able to name them whatever you wished!

Re: Compare/preview when saving presets/programs?
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2022, 07:55:09 AM »
Just a little clarification, I don't save exactly same presets all over.
There are tiny differences, sometimes just a touch of a envelope attack or something.
Once saved, you can go back with the dot in the display feature to see what is saved in preset.
I just find it practical to go by this way, and then go back and dial new variations on what is there.

I had this P6 desktop B-stock with 20% discount, but now it's gone so not top of the list anymore.