Behringer synth teasers

eXode · « **on:** July 19, 2016, 05:48:06 AM »

Three different teasers for an upcoming polyphonic synth by Behringer. Supposedly developed by the MIDAS team.

Teaser 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_KYEtspRa0
Teaser 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBL7rfOMyDU
Teaser 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YIsA_-iPMs

I don't care what the logo says, some of those sounds are really nice imho.

chysn · « **Reply #1 on:** July 19, 2016, 01:47:03 PM »

It sounds pretty nice. Ads where they don't show the product are annoying. What do synth geeks like to know? Why, the architecture and controls! Without that, it's vaporware. That said, Arturia did the same dumb thing with the MicroBrute and I wound up wanting one.

Shaw · « **Reply #2 on:** July 19, 2016, 04:40:02 PM »

Quote from: eXode on July 19, 2016, 05:48:06 AM

Three different teasers for an upcoming polyphonic synth by Behringer. Supposedly developed by the MIDAS team.

Teaser 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_KYEtspRa0
Teaser 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBL7rfOMyDU
Teaser 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YIsA_-iPMs

I don't care what the logo says, some of those sounds are really nice imho.

I'll be interested to see what this is. Behringer has been working hard to turn around their reputation. I'll be curious to see what they have done.

Paul Dither · « **Reply #3 on:** July 19, 2016, 04:40:54 PM »

Very Juno-based in its panel design. 2 DCOs, 49 keys, at least 4-note polyphony, and with regard to the last video apparently an arpeggiator, and a high-pass filter. Not sure yet about the four aspects with regard to which this synth is supposed to be groundbreaking according to Uli Behringer. One of them might be the price.

And yes, it's been developed with the MIDAS team.

eXode · « **Reply #4 on:** July 20, 2016, 05:33:57 AM »

I've heard that it will cost about €1000 EUR. I hope that it has at least 6 voices.

chysn · « **Reply #5 on:** July 20, 2016, 05:35:56 AM »

Quote from: Paul Dither on July 19, 2016, 04:40:54 PM

And yes, it's been developed with the MIDAS team.

What is MIDAS?

eXode · « **Reply #6 on:** July 20, 2016, 05:45:05 AM »

Quote from: chysn on July 20, 2016, 05:35:56 AM

Quote from: Paul Dither on July 19, 2016, 04:40:54 PM
And yes, it's been developed with the MIDAS team.

What is MIDAS?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midas_Consoles
http://www.music-group.com/brand/midas/ourstory?active=Our%20Story

chysn · « **Reply #7 on:** July 20, 2016, 09:46:11 AM »

OK, thanks!

eXode · « **Reply #8 on:** July 24, 2016, 01:47:40 AM »

New teaser video. It has 12 voices! :O

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa3h4srIzuE

DavidDever · « **Reply #9 on:** July 24, 2016, 05:59:24 AM »

I am a slider fan, a la Roland Jupiter / Juno, so this is beginning to look like a really great option...I wonder if they have designed this using custom ICs per voice (e.g., Wavefront Semi / Alesis Andromeda), voice cards (e.g., DSI Prophet-6/OB-6), or one or two monolithic PCBs (e.g., Roland JX series, DSI Tetra / Poly Evolver).

The real message though here is market disruption: in the monosynth space, Arturia MatrixBrute vs. Moog Voyager vs. their own Minimoog Model D reissue; in the polysynth space, the DSI "new-issues" (P6, OB-6) vs. this Behringer unit which seems to uncannily resemble an older Roland Jupiter / Juno unit. And I do understand that this project has been in the works for a very long time....

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty certain that both the MatrixBrute and the Behringer unit are manufactured in China/APJ, to hit a specific (disruptive) price point; the notion that the Tetra is now selling new (discontinued) for less than $500 is disruptive of its own accord.

With Gibson on the skids at the moment, I can only hope that this is not the harbinger of the next wave of pain and suffering for domestic specialist MI manufacturers.

BobTheDog · « **Reply #10 on:** July 24, 2016, 11:20:15 AM »

Quote from: eXode on July 24, 2016, 01:47:40 AM

New teaser video. It has 12 voices! :O

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa3h4srIzuE

If Richard Devine says its impressive that's a good sign!

Paul Dither · « **Reply #11 on:** July 24, 2016, 01:04:29 PM »

Quote from: DavidDever on July 24, 2016, 05:59:24 AM

The real message though here is market disruption: in the monosynth space, Arturia MatrixBrute vs. Moog Voyager vs. their own Minimoog Model D reissue; in the polysynth space, the DSI "new-issues" (P6, OB-6) vs. this Behringer unit which seems to uncannily resemble an older Roland Jupiter / Juno unit. And I do understand that this project has been in the works for a very long time....

Could be. Uli Behringer also mentioned in a couple of forums that this new Behringer synth is only going to be the beginning. They're actively planning to enhance their own synth branch. In terms of resources they might even have the upper hand compared to Arturia. The timing could also be a bit unfortunate for Arturia with the announcement of the Minimoog reissue. Not really the same synths, but some people might think that they'd just continue saving a bit more to get an iconic synth instead. After all, the MatrixBrute won't appeal to impulse buyers. Plus: the mono synth market is way more saturated than the poly synth market at this point.

Shaw · « **Reply #12 on:** July 24, 2016, 07:58:11 PM »

Quote from: Paul Dither on July 24, 2016, 01:04:29 PM

Could be. Uli Behringer also mentioned in a couple of forums that this new Behringer synth is only going to be the beginning. They're actively planning to enhance their own synth branch. In terms of resources they might even have the upper hand compared to Arturia. The timing could also be a bit unfortunate for Arturia with the announcement of the Minimoog reissue. Not really the same synths, but some people might think that they'd just continue saving a bit more to get an iconic synth instead. After all, the MatrixBrute won't appeal to impulse buyers. Plus: the mono synth market is way more saturated than the poly synth market at this point.

I'm really curious to see more of this synth. Behringer has steadily been making more quality products. And a 12 voice polysynth could be a great place for them to plant their flag.
I'm not certain, but in one of the demos, I thought I heard something quite different in the voice architecture. Not sure what it was -- but something sounded "new".
Anyway, does anyone know when they are planning to unleash more specific information about this puppy?

Cheers!

Paul Dither · « **Reply #13 on:** July 24, 2016, 08:06:39 PM »

Quote from: Shaw on July 24, 2016, 07:58:11 PM

Quote from: Paul Dither on July 24, 2016, 01:04:29 PM
Could be. Uli Behringer also mentioned in a couple of forums that this new Behringer synth is only going to be the beginning. They're actively planning to enhance their own synth branch. In terms of resources they might even have the upper hand compared to Arturia. The timing could also be a bit unfortunate for Arturia with the announcement of the Minimoog reissue. Not really the same synths, but some people might think that they'd just continue saving a bit more to get an iconic synth instead. After all, the MatrixBrute won't appeal to impulse buyers. Plus: the mono synth market is way more saturated than the poly synth market at this point.
I'm really curious to see more of this synth. Behringer has steadily been making more quality products. And a 12 voice polysynth could be a great place for them to plant their flag.
I'm not certain, but in one of the demos, I thought I heard something quite different in the voice architecture. Not sure what it was -- but something sounded "new".
Anyway, does anyone know when they are planning to unleash more specific information about this puppy?

Cheers!

Maybe you heard a layered sound. I think there was one in the 4th video.

So far, it's offering quite a bit: 12 voices, 2 DCOs, 2 LFOs, FX, LP and HP filter (at least in one example it sounded like an HP filter is on board), arpeggiator, and probably multi-timbrality - at least for layers and splits. Maybe even a sequencer on top of it. The key point is going to be the price of course. That's the element, Behringer could really shake up the market with.

Shaw · « **Reply #14 on:** July 24, 2016, 08:09:58 PM »

Quote from: Paul Dither on July 24, 2016, 08:06:39 PM

Maybe you heard a layered sound. I think there was one in the 4th video.
So far, it's offering quite a bit: 12 voices, 2 DCOs, 2 LFOs, FX, LP and HP filter (at least in one example it sounded like an HP filter is on board), arpeggiator, and probably multi-timbrality - at least for layers and splits. Maybe even a sequencer on top of it. The key point is going to be the price of course. That's the element, Behringer could really shake up the market with.

I'll have to go back and listen again... I'm hoping that when they say "something groundbreaking" that they mean something other than price.
Don't get me wrong, price is important, but I'd like to see a new concept in synthesis. At least to me, that would be "groundbreaking".

Cheers!

Paul Dither · « **Reply #15 on:** July 24, 2016, 08:16:20 PM »

Quote from: Shaw on July 24, 2016, 08:09:58 PM

Quote from: Paul Dither on July 24, 2016, 08:06:39 PM
Maybe you heard a layered sound. I think there was one in the 4th video.
So far, it's offering quite a bit: 12 voices, 2 DCOs, 2 LFOs, FX, LP and HP filter (at least in one example it sounded like an HP filter is on board), arpeggiator, and probably multi-timbrality - at least for layers and splits. Maybe even a sequencer on top of it. The key point is going to be the price of course. That's the element, Behringer could really shake up the market with.
I'll have to go back and listen again... I'm hoping that when they say "something groundbreaking" that they mean something other than price.
Don't get me wrong, price is important, but I'd like to see a new concept in synthesis. At least to me, that would be "groundbreaking".

Cheers!

Yeah, I'm still curious about the groundbreaking stuff too. So far, it's hard to guess. But I assume the price will be one factor, though not the only one. The only thing I know is that before the engineering started on this synth, MIDAS did some research on how to reproduce the sounds of instruments whose components are not available anymore, like on vintage Roland stuff, etc.

As for the "game changer" thing that is often brought up by Uli Behringer, price must play a role. I assume that one message is going to be, "look, this is how affordable you can actually make an analog poly synth in 2016."

eXode · « **Reply #16 on:** July 24, 2016, 11:20:56 PM »

On the last video, you could see that when some sounds are played it looks like several LED's light up at the same time. So it probably offers some way of stacking, perhaps modes inspired by the OB-Mx (Double, Triple, Quad, Hex)?

Also, this still image shows that DCO2 has something called TONE MOD.

Paul Dither · « **Reply #17 on:** July 25, 2016, 09:39:09 AM »

On the German synth forum Sequencer.de, one user designed a visual of what we know already:

BobTheDog · « **Reply #18 on:** July 25, 2016, 11:29:36 AM »

Quote from: Paul Dither on July 25, 2016, 09:39:09 AM

On the German synth forum Sequencer.de, one user designed a visual of what we know already:

A blue question mark! Seems about right.

goodweather · « **Reply #19 on:** July 28, 2016, 12:00:49 PM »

Starts to be more and more interesting

! Of course, always wait to test it in a store to hear the real stuff

May consider buying this one instead of the hypothetic OB-P12 I'm dreaming of (4/5 oct kbd which is an OB6+P6 with P12/Pro2 interface and screen)...