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Pro3 = Digital back-end ?

Pro3 = Digital back-end ?
« on: October 06, 2021, 01:52:29 AM »
It's been confirmed by Sequential that Take5 has a digital back-end "virtual VCA". The signal path becomes digitised after the VCF. It's been rumoured that the Pro3 shares a very similar signal path design and hence I was curious if it has been confirmed ?

jmg8

Re: Pro3 = Digital back-end ?
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2021, 01:00:10 AM »
I'm sure I remember, I head or read somewhere that Sequential said that if the FX are off the signal path becomes 100% analog. So I guess the digital VCA is not on Pro 3 (but I'm not certain). They might have put it in Take 5 to make it more affordable?
Let me know if you find out.

Re: Pro3 = Digital back-end ?
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2021, 11:00:02 AM »
I think I remember that as well.

Re: Pro3 = Digital back-end ?
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2021, 01:04:03 PM »
On the PRO 3 specification page I found the following lines:

3 OSCILLATORS
* Two analog, voltage-controlled oscillators
* One DSP-based digital oscillator

Sounds analog to me. (except OSC3  ;) )

Re: Pro3 = Digital back-end ?
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2021, 12:36:43 AM »
On the PRO 3 specification page I found the following lines:

3 OSCILLATORS
* Two analog, voltage-controlled oscillators
* One DSP-based digital oscillator

Sounds analog to me. (except OSC3  ;) )

The oscillators and filters are of course analogue. The question is if there is a digital AD/DA stage at the end that everything goes through. At least, the audio from the Pro-3 goes well beyond 20kHz and I have never noticed any problems with digital clipping of the dry sound, so my guess would be that there is a completely analogue audio path. But I'm not sure about it. Since Sequential typically point this out if there is a fully analogue audio path you'd think that they would have done so also for the Pro-3, but I don't think they have?

jmg8

Re: Pro3 = Digital back-end ?
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2021, 02:31:59 AM »
Except 2 of us seem to remember that they did.
Maybe you should reach out to them and ask? If you get an answer please post it here to let us all know.

Re: Pro3 = Digital back-end ?
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2021, 04:00:07 AM »
Except 2 of us seem to remember that they did.
Maybe you should reach out to them and ask? If you get an answer please post it here to let us all know.

I also have a faint memory of hearing/reading that somewhere but it could also be 2:nd hand information that is not correct.

JayT

Re: Pro3 = Digital back-end ?
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2021, 04:04:12 AM »
Iíve sent an e-Mail to the support team and asked them if they can clarify this.

JayT

Re: Pro3 = Digital back-end ?
« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2021, 10:21:57 AM »
I got the following answer of Andy at Sequential:
"
In the Pro3, if the digital effects are not engaged, the analog VCO/VCF/VCA signal at the Main L/R outputs does not go through an AD/DA stage. The digital wavetable oscillator enters the signal path and is mixed with the VCOs pre-filter.
"

Re: Pro3 = Digital back-end ?
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2021, 11:42:41 AM »
That's exactly what I remember, so it is entirely possible to have a full analog signal path if you so chose by not using built-in effects. With effects, however, the synth still sounds darn good!

Re: Pro3 = Digital back-end ?
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2021, 01:06:13 AM »
I got the following answer of Andy at Sequential:
"
In the Pro3, if the digital effects are not engaged, the analog VCO/VCF/VCA signal at the Main L/R outputs does not go through an AD/DA stage. The digital wavetable oscillator enters the signal path and is mixed with the VCOs pre-filter.
"

Thanks! I stand corrected, good to know. Kinda strange Sequential don't advertise that as they do on other synths but at least the answer is there! I'm getting VERY close on pulling the trigger now.

jmg8

Re: Pro3 = Digital back-end ?
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2021, 01:33:38 AM »
Thank you for finding out and letting us know  :)