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Take 5 with only 128 user preset locations?

Take 5 with only 128 user preset locations?
« on: August 24, 2021, 02:27:07 AM »
Hi everyone,

Take 5 seems to be almost the perfect package, and it sounds gorgeous!
But please please please consider raising the number of user preset locations, lovely developers and engineers and Sequential, please. 128 user presets is just absolutely incredibly shockingly little. People buy soundsets, others create their own. Memory can't be that expensive anymore, can it?
As so many others, I create my own sounds and will usually amass dozens of works-in-progress too. With 128 user presets, that just leaves very very little room for saving all experiments along the way.

Now that I'm done complaining, the rest looks and sounds incredible and so so appealing.

Thanks for listening
Viktor

Re: Take 5 with only 128 user preset locations?
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2021, 05:07:11 AM »
I totally agree and this is as stupid as the limited patch storage locations in first Roland Boutique series.
A limited storage will not make the synthesizer feel "more vintage". It is just annoying.
I always buy a lot of sound banks and I really don't want to hassle with my computer to just load one at once.

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Re: Take 5 with only 128 user preset locations?
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2021, 09:23:27 AM »
I made the same complaint of the Mopho Keyboard ten years ago. What? Only 384 locations? In 2011? Absurd! Why not thousands? On a micro SD card?

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Re: Take 5 with only 128 user preset locations?
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2021, 10:45:40 AM »
Yeah, this seems to be one of the most common complaints / eyebrow raisers from the specs...  Only 128 user slots in 2021?  For a modern poly synth like this with a fairly deep sound engine?   

Compared with other analog modern polys in this mid range segment:
- Korg Prologue has 200+300 = 500 program locations. 
- Korg Minilogue XD has 200+300 = 500 program locations.
- Deepmind has 1024 program locations.   
- Prophet 6 has 500+500 = 1000 program locations.
- Prophet Rev2 has 512+512 = 1024 program locations


Really hoping this is not a hard limit in hardware...   The cost for a few hundred kb extra storage space is literally pennies.   
I would gladly pay $0.25 more to have 512 user slots!   Just tell me where to send my quarter. ;)

Seriously though, @pym and team, is there a possibility this will be addressed in a firmware update?   It's fine if it needs a menu dive to get to other user banks, but if we can have U1,U2,U3,U4 for 512 total like many other Seq instruments, that would be so much better... especially for a synth like this with a fairly deep sound engine and sixteen mod slots.   I know I'll have 128 slots filled in a couple months, and be constantly forced to overwrite patches.
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Re: Take 5 with only 128 user preset locations?
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2021, 11:13:53 AM »
I was fairly gutted when I read the user preset locations limit. I doubt Iíd buy another synth where I have to keep swapping patches in and out. I have to do it with my Minilogue (original version) and itís a pain.
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Re: Take 5 with only 128 user preset locations?
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2021, 11:41:16 AM »
This limit seems to be hard wired into the synths architecture, hardware wise as there is only the option of the Factory Bank light being on or off, giving a total of 2 x 8 banks of 16 (ie. 256 patches).

As we know, they heading into the shops so the hardware is not going to change, the best we can hope for is you can use the Sound Tower editor (not out yet!) or special / test menu (Transpose up & down + Global) to swap out the Sequential Factory bank for one of your own as you can with the Rev-2 (first to buy please check), so you can have a bank for favourites or full of templates or for gigging with and the User Bank becomes a scratch pad for messing, but youíll have to do a sysex dump at the end of each session & document carefully. As if I ever remember to do that!

Itís a shame that a tiny bit extra hardware such as a group button & extra display digit would offer more, but if the sound for your Pound / Dollar / Euro appeals as is, it can probably be lived with, especially if you use it as a lead instrument paired with a Rev-2 or what have you.

Re: Take 5 with only 128 user preset locations?
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2021, 02:45:04 PM »
Meh, I'm fine with this. I usually only use maybe 50 presets tops on my Prophet 6. For most of my recordings, I usually just start with a basic patch, record it and never save it.

Re: Take 5 with only 128 user preset locations?
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2021, 05:06:04 PM »
If hardware allowed, they could easily implement 256 user and 256 factory presets by adopting the same interface for patches as the Subsequent 37: press bank, then pressing a 1-16 button chooses a bank. Then press 1-16 to choose a preset within that bank.

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Re: Take 5 with only 128 user preset locations?
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2021, 05:18:45 PM »
If hardware allowed, they could easily implement 256 user and 256 factory presets by adopting the same interface for patches as the Subsequent 37: press bank, then pressing a 1-16 button chooses a bank. Then press 1-16 to choose a preset within that bank.

I didn't even know this until recently but apparently the Rev4 does let you overwrite the factory patches with your own with the typical slippery button press sequence (I say slippery because apparently some folks have done this accidentally).. heh

Maybe that's true of all Sequential synths?
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Re: Take 5 with only 128 user preset locations?
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2021, 04:56:29 AM »
I didn't even know this until recently but apparently the Rev4 does let you overwrite the factory patches with your own * * *
Maybe that's true of all Sequential synths?

Not all, no, but the Pro 3 allows this, as well, via a menu command.
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Re: Take 5 with only 128 user preset locations?
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2021, 03:17:25 AM »
There are USB B mail, as in Take5, to USB A femail adapters.
Then it could be possible to allow memory sticks to be connected.

Then backup/restore features could be implemented, such that you could select to restore a certain bank only.

No clue how different it is to connect memory sticks as protocol though(assume class compliant not needing drivers then).
But if doable could be useful with firmware updates ona number of Sequential stuff to allow immediate backup/restore operations.

Re: Take 5 with only 128 user preset locations?
« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2021, 08:44:02 AM »
There is actually the perfect space in the User Interface to add 256 new patch slots:

Currently, with either Factory or User Bank selected, you can hold down the bank button and switch between #1-8 banks on either (each with 16 programs selected by buttons after you select the bank).   But there are #9-16 buttons that are currently unused/inaccessible.   This presents a perfect area from a UI standpoint to easily add 128 slots for F9-16 and 128 slots for U9-16.   

Hopefully there is the ~300 kilobytes or so of space available to do this, and they can do it via firmware update.   Adding 256 slots would really improve this synth for long term usability and sound design variety.   It has a pretty deep sound engine, so its gonna be capable of lots of sonic variety, and some very deep and complex patches... the type of patches that you're not gonna want to have to delete/overwrite or go through the hassle of constant backups and restores from computer. 

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