P12 "Replacement" Discussion

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P12 "Replacement" Discussion
« on: February 25, 2021, 06:52:16 AM »
So, now that the P12 module is also discontinued, I'm seeing a lot of chatter on the interwebs about some supposed "replacement" for it that's supposedly imminent. I've got a few questions around this, since I don't really social media and am not hugely in the loop, maybe someone else with a better finger on the pulse of the world can inform my rock-hidden self:

1. Is there any basis in actual fact (e.g. direct comment made by a Sequential employee, leaked information, etc.) that Sequential is even thinking in this direction? What is the underlying data behind all this talk about a replacement? Or did people just get such a bad taste of the P12 from the media but secretly love it that they just want some media-glorified equivalent that they can brag about owning?

2. Granted the P12 is state of the art early 2010s music tech which feels a little bit "dated" compared to today's hyper-accurate digital processor implementations (e.g. aliasing couldn't be avoided through brute force and had to be carefully accepted and finessed around)... but other than the natural limitations imposed by this, is there anything a 'replacement' could actually improve on in ways that would be more than just an extension of what the P12 already does?  I mean, the P12 is an improvement in some senses from the Evolver's oscillator structure, yet the Evolver hasn't by any means ceded the throne. I guess the question is, what could Sequential even release that would be a satisfying "replacement" rather than just another great and different synth? Discuss at will...
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Re: P12 "Replacement" Discussion
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2021, 03:58:31 PM »
The Pro 3 is an example of being a successor to the Pro 2 but it's also a completely new approach so that it's not overlapping with it's predecessor and it's offering something new.

What I would want to see is a Prophet X style build but with two analog VCO in one section and two Wavetable oscillators in another (which include a small OLED screen (like the PX/XL) that shows the names of the wavetables etc. The Wavetable oscillators would include user wavetables, Prophet VS waveforms, Prophet 12 wavetables and also have the ability to do linear FM and wave sequencing as well (like the Poly Evolver). The synth would be bi timbral and the features that are now standard on Sequential's innovative gear such as poly sequencers, arps and dual digital effects (also preferably with a small OLED screen) and either two touch sliders or a larger touch pad which would allow for sweeping and vectoring the oscillators.


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Re: P12 "Replacement" Discussion
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2021, 04:36:08 PM »
The Pro 3 is an example of being a successor to the Pro 2 but it's also a completely new approach so that it's not overlapping with it's predecessor and it's offering something new.

What I would want to see is a Prophet X style build but with two analog VCO in one section and two Wavetable oscillators in another (which include a small OLED screen (like the PX/XL) that shows the names of the wavetables etc. The Wavetable oscillators would include user wavetables, Prophet VS waveforms, Prophet 12 wavetables and also have the ability to do linear FM and wave sequencing as well (like the Poly Evolver). The synth would be bi timbral and the features that are now standard on Sequential's innovative gear such as poly sequencers, arps and dual digital effects (also preferably with a small OLED screen) and either two touch sliders or a larger touch pad which would allow for sweeping and vectoring the oscillators.

Wow, great response - this just shows how one person's successor is another person's "utterly different idea". I can definitely see the appeal of this synth - but to me, it has *nothing* whatsoever in common with what makes the P12 great, and I don't mean that as a criticism at all. I mean to say that what I was expecting was nothing like this, and that's a neat place to be in.

For me, the huge value of the P12 is that all four oscillators are equally powerful, so that they sound coherent in the same voice. Having a mix of two analogue and two digital oscs is to me very much more of a poly evolver successor, which I see the P12 as having relatively nothing to do with. But I can see for you that the P12 was an attempt to build on the Evolver architecture.

My view of DSI hierarchy is something like this (forgive - and feel free to correct - any details I have wrong):

Evolvers -> a blend of the team's expertise in digital and analogue engineering from the VS and the analogue prophets put together, with a huge dose of new crazy to be really different and have a lot of fun. Definitely a chaser after their corporate experiences. The stereo philosophy and emphasis on controllable nonlinearities and asymmetric (analogue x digital) pairings stand out as the key points.

P '08 -> Mopho/x4/keys / Tetra -> All based off the analogue Prophet series, mostly to get back into the game and try to freshen up for the analogue revival.

Rev2 / OB6 / Prophet 6 -> A step forward for each of the previous voice architectures, taking a mostly common core and building it out in different ways with slightly tweaked feature sets. Discrete filters on some, integrated on others, etc., but the general idea is fairly common.

P12 -> Ok, this one goes all the way back to the Prophet 2000, all-digital oscillators but with analogue filters, however instead of going with a sample-based architecture, they put most of the effort into the modulation from FM/AM all the way to the greatly expanded mod matrix. Some of the Evolver tricks and some generally new tricks were tossed in to season it up a bit and then they turned it all up past 11 to 12 and left it there. But the core is a blend of classic hybrid architecture and the traditional Prophet massive sonic powerhouse view - the Evolver-influenced crazy is there, but it's not the prima donna, it's singing a duet with the traditional prophet history, and it's got the second place part.

Pro 2 -> Finally, a new monosynth (I don't count the Mopho as new, since it was so unchanged from the Prophet '08's voice), and based on the P12's core architecture but adding the lessons learned from the OB-6 and Prophet 6 to the mix. Again, the emphasis is on livening up the traditional, powerful Prophet voice with some of the powerful lessons learned in the meantime.

Pro 3 -> The obvious missing thing in the lineup, we've *finally* gone to something that's based off the Evolvers, at least in theory... the hybrid asymmetric oscillator section is back, but it's lost the stereo aspect and has made some strong concessions to "the market" with even more emphasis on onboard effects and a more powerful sequencer. So whether we view this one as Evolver-based or not is really a matter of opinion because it's the closest thing since the Evolvers on one of the core differentiators - the hybrid oscillators - but it's not gone very far with the filters, and it's missing a digital oscillator to boot.

It's interesting to note that they never made a *very poly* Evolver - 4 voices in the same box was the most you got. But they were enough because of how immense you could make those voices, and it was never meant to be a "do it all" synth, it was meant to be a "do what the other synths can't even imagine" instrument. I am of two minds as to whether a "more poly" Evolver-followup would even make sense - unless it was more than 2-part multitimbral, which I could then see. But there's no precedent for that in Sequential's history either and I don't see that fitting the brand. They could do it, I'm not saying it's not possible, but it would definitely be a sharp turn for them.

So, what do I take away from this? Well, the P12 to me fits clearly in the Prophet line (and deserves the name) because of it's emphasis on consistent, monophonic voice architecture and symmetric oscillator structure. To me, those are the defining characteristics of the Prophet line. The Evolver contrasts that with hybrid asymmetric oscillators and a stereo-at-heart voice all the way through. Everything else is really just gravy, those are the key differences to me.

That's why I'm surprised to see you list what I consider to be a defining hallmark of the Evolver line in your theory on what a replacement for the P12 would be - to me, if they came out with the synth you dream of, I may well consider it, but I would never think of it as an either/or with the P12, or even remotely consider replacing it with the other.

But if you think of it in terms of "Sequential usually have one powerhouse oddball poly in their arsenal at any given time and now they don't" sort of "replacement", it makes a lot of sense - your idea of that role would be a VS x Evolver mashup, basically.

On the flip side, I'm kind of of the feeling that the only real replacement for a P12 is P12 rev2 with an onboard sequencer, even better DSP algorithms, user wavetables, and SSI filter chips with vintage option - basically heading MORE in the direction of a Prophet but adding some enhanced features yet again in modernization. I certainly wouldn't be opposed to anything else, but I am having a hard time imagining that it would be in the spirit of the P12 rather than a tangent from it.

On the flip, flip side, I'd be *delighted* with such a tangent, since the P12 would remain, beauty marks and all, a standout accomplishment with its own unique voice, rejected by the masses but adored by the knowing few, and in its own way unequalled by anything else.
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Re: P12 "Replacement" Discussion
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2021, 12:12:14 PM »
Don't get me wrong, I'd love for Sequential to do a four digital oscillator/analog filter based synth or Wavetable only synth with analog filters or Linear FM synth based synth with analog filters but the Pro 3 to me seems to be a sign of things to come. A lot of people have been asking for a new Evolver and I think the Pro 3 was made to test those waters. Then again, Dave could just be doing reissues from here on out for the next while.

Re: P12 "Replacement" Discussion
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2021, 05:08:23 AM »

P12 -> Ok, this one goes all the way back to the Prophet 2000, all-digital oscillators but with analogue filters, however instead of going with a sample-based architecture, they put most of the effort into the modulation from FM/AM all the way to the greatly expanded mod matrix. Some of the Evolver tricks and some generally new tricks were tossed in to season it up a bit and then they turned it all up past 11 to 12 and left it there. But the core is a blend of classic hybrid architecture and the traditional Prophet massive sonic powerhouse view - the Evolver-influenced crazy is there, but it's not the prima donna, it's singing a duet with the traditional prophet history, and it's got the second place part.


It goes well before the prophet 2000, it goes to prophet VS.
The VS was the first digital/analog hybrid from Sequential. 

Also, people think of the VS as the vector synth, and yes it is, but the essence is that it is to bring motion to the sound, which is a theme that runs through DSI evolver series, and p12 as well.
The Vector Synthesis was inspired from Sequential guys being inspired from PPG Wavetables. They put four VCO from Oberheim Two Voice, to the four points of a square, to go further from just a linear wavetable to two-dimensional vector synthesis. Then they tilted the square 45 degrees to make it a diamond like the VS.
Anyway, the p12's customizable wavetable synthesis multiple by four DSP oscillators has the lineage of evolving sound through time from the p-VS.



Pro 2 -> Finally, a new monosynth (I don't count the Mopho as new, since it was so unchanged from the Prophet '08's voice), and based on the P12's core architecture but adding the lessons learned from the OB-6 and Prophet 6 to the mix. Again, the emphasis is on livening up the traditional, powerful Prophet voice with some of the powerful lessons learned in the meantime.


Well, it's the other way round. The PRO2 rolled out before the p6/OB-6. The two types of VCF that are first implemented on PRO2 enabled DSI/Sequential to create p6/OB-6 synths as the next models after the PRO2 was launched.


I do would love to see the successor for the p12 though. The p-X is largely sample based, and is pretty much different from p12.
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Re: P12 "Replacement" Discussion
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2021, 08:01:01 AM »
Great points. I appreciate the details. Didn't realize the Pro 2 preceded the others.
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Re: P12 "Replacement" Discussion
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2021, 06:16:47 AM »
An updated Prophet 12 would be fantastic, maybe with touch sliders?  but also with the waves of the Prophet VS as I used to have one and loved it.  The ability to load Prophet VS sounds directly would be a plus and especially the Prophet VS arpeggiator.

Re: P12 "Replacement" Discussion
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2024, 11:56:11 AM »
Prophet 12 is such an amazing instrument!

Sequential, please bring it back if possible!

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Re: P12 "Replacement" Discussion
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2024, 02:47:35 AM »
I also wonder if anyone has any devices in mind that's currently available in the market and is comparable to the versatility and sound quality of P12. I love the wide (or wide enough for me) options of OSC configurations and ease of modulating parameters, plus the analog filters to make it sound more 'organic'/'fluffy'. I also really love the distortion. The problem is that I don't have a P12 (tried to buy one but it turned out to be defect  :'( ) So any suggestions would be very appreciated!

So, now that the P12 module is also discontinued, I'm seeing a lot of chatter on the interwebs about some supposed "replacement" for it that's supposedly imminent. I've got a few questions around this, since I don't really social media and am not hugely in the loop, maybe someone else with a better finger on the pulse of the world can inform my rock-hidden self:

1. Is there any basis in actual fact (e.g. direct comment made by a Sequential employee, leaked information, etc.) that Sequential is even thinking in this direction? What is the underlying data behind all this talk about a replacement? Or did people just get such a bad taste of the P12 from the media but secretly love it that they just want some media-glorified equivalent that they can brag about owning?

2. Granted the P12 is state of the art early 2010s music tech which feels a little bit "dated" compared to today's hyper-accurate digital processor implementations (e.g. aliasing couldn't be avoided through brute force and had to be carefully accepted and finessed around)... but other than the natural limitations imposed by this, is there anything a 'replacement' could actually improve on in ways that would be more than just an extension of what the P12 already does?  I mean, the P12 is an improvement in some senses from the Evolver's oscillator structure, yet the Evolver hasn't by any means ceded the throne. I guess the question is, what could Sequential even release that would be a satisfying "replacement" rather than just another great and different synth? Discuss at will...

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Re: P12 "Replacement" Discussion
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2024, 05:18:52 AM »
I also wonder if anyone has any devices in mind that's currently available in the market and is comparable to the versatility and sound quality of P12. I love the wide (or wide enough for me) options of OSC configurations and ease of modulating parameters, plus the analog filters to make it sound more 'organic'/'fluffy'. I also really love the distortion. The problem is that I don't have a P12 (tried to buy one but it turned out to be defect  :'( ) So any suggestions would be very appreciated!

The 3rd Wave is similar, but more powerful. They don't sound the same and are different synths, but based on what you've said you like about the P12 I believe you'd find what you need there.  Some of the guys at Groove Synthesis also worked on the P12, so the two synths share some pedigree - someone who has used the UI of one will feel at home with the other.

There is a substantial difference in cost between them, but that's mostly because the 3rd Wave has twice as many voices,  you can literally split the thing into 4 different synths and it's still a 6 voice powerhouse for each part.

If I'm being honest and could only keep one it would be the 3rd Wave because I prefer the filters (SSM 2140) over the P12's Curtis filters, and the wavetable and sampling features of the 3rd Wave put it in an entirely different league.  But I am keeping my P12 because it is unique and a great synth in its own right.
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Re: P12 "Replacement" Discussion
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2024, 06:49:10 AM »
Hi LPF83! Thank you so much for this!!! It does seem to have some similarity with P12. And if I get it correctly, it's using P5/10's filters, which I totally love!!!!! (I always wonder if there are more 'modern/versatile' synths that uses this filter) I haven't heard convincing demos and will need to try it out myself.

I can see the use of the 24 voices. It could be handy for quickly switching between sounds during performances and stacking sounds. I still wish they have a 12 voice version though for people who can't afford that high price tag.

I also wonder if anyone has any devices in mind that's currently available in the market and is comparable to the versatility and sound quality of P12. I love the wide (or wide enough for me) options of OSC configurations and ease of modulating parameters, plus the analog filters to make it sound more 'organic'/'fluffy'. I also really love the distortion. The problem is that I don't have a P12 (tried to buy one but it turned out to be defect  :'( ) So any suggestions would be very appreciated!

The 3rd Wave is similar, but more powerful. They don't sound the same and are different synths, but based on what you've said you like about the P12 I believe you'd find what you need there.  Some of the guys at Groove Synthesis also worked on the P12, so the two synths share some pedigree - someone who has used the UI of one will feel at home with the other.

There is a substantial difference in cost between them, but that's mostly because the 3rd Wave has twice as many voices,  you can literally split the thing into 4 different synths and it's still a 6 voice powerhouse for each part.

If I'm being honest and could only keep one it would be the 3rd Wave because I prefer the filters (SSM 2140) over the P12's Curtis filters, and the wavetable and sampling features of the 3rd Wave put it in an entirely different league.  But I am keeping my P12 because it is unique and a great synth in its own right.

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Re: P12 "Replacement" Discussion
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2024, 02:57:19 PM »
Hi LPF83! Thank you so much for this!!! It does seem to have some similarity with P12. And if I get it correctly, it's using P5/10's filters, which I totally love!!!!! (I always wonder if there are more 'modern/versatile' synths that uses this filter) I haven't heard convincing demos and will need to try it out myself.

I can see the use of the 24 voices. It could be handy for quickly switching between sounds during performances and stacking sounds. I still wish they have a 12 voice version though for people who can't afford that high price tag.

I also wonder if anyone has any devices in mind that's currently available in the market and is comparable to the versatility and sound quality of P12. I love the wide (or wide enough for me) options of OSC configurations and ease of modulating parameters, plus the analog filters to make it sound more 'organic'/'fluffy'. I also really love the distortion. The problem is that I don't have a P12 (tried to buy one but it turned out to be defect  :'( ) So any suggestions would be very appreciated!

The 3rd Wave is similar, but more powerful. They don't sound the same and are different synths, but based on what you've said you like about the P12 I believe you'd find what you need there.  Some of the guys at Groove Synthesis also worked on the P12, so the two synths share some pedigree - someone who has used the UI of one will feel at home with the other.

There is a substantial difference in cost between them, but that's mostly because the 3rd Wave has twice as many voices,  you can literally split the thing into 4 different synths and it's still a 6 voice powerhouse for each part.

If I'm being honest and could only keep one it would be the 3rd Wave because I prefer the filters (SSM 2140) over the P12's Curtis filters, and the wavetable and sampling features of the 3rd Wave put it in an entirely different league.  But I am keeping my P12 because it is unique and a great synth in its own right.

One thing to consider is that binaural patches can spoil your ears quickly, so you might find use for all 24 voices more often than you realize once you start sending one entire part left and the other right.  It is a pricey synth but I feel it's worth it.  Especially since it is possible to get the desktop new on a discount for under $3k with a little shopping around, patience etc.
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Re: P12 "Replacement" Discussion
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2025, 08:43:49 AM »
Just rambling here.....For 6 months or so the P12 slowly got pushed to the outer edge, sort of to an user-un-friendly portion of my studio due to making room for some newer instruments.   I discovered that I missed it, so just this past week I went out and got a new tiered stand to squeeze it back in.  Now I have the Pro 3 mounted right above it, which make a nice counterpoise.  The point is, that after not using the P12 for probably closer to a year, flipping it back on again, I realized just how cool it is.  It's just so natural to program and seems to connect with my brain on how a synth layout should be.  Gorgeous plucky sounds, among other pads, and weird voicings, etc...  I made a promise to it never threaten it being banished from his other Sequential /DSI friends again :)   
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Re: P12 "Replacement" Discussion
« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2025, 03:57:32 PM »
Just rambling here.....For 6 months or so the P12 slowly got pushed to the outer edge, sort of to an user-un-friendly portion of my studio due to making room for some newer instruments.   I discovered that I missed it, so just this past week I went out and got a new tiered stand to squeeze it back in.  Now I have the Pro 3 mounted right above it, which make a nice counterpoise.  The point is, that after not using the P12 for probably closer to a year, flipping it back on again, I realized just how cool it is.  It's just so natural to program and seems to connect with my brain on how a synth layout should be.  Gorgeous plucky sounds, among other pads, and weird voicings, etc...  I made a promise to it never threaten it being banished from his other Sequential /DSI friends again :)

I've heard some say that having more than 3-4 synths is overkill, because it becomes impossible to use them all at once... which is true, but it doesn't take into consideration the joy of rediscovering a synth you haven't used in a while and being glad you didn't let it go!
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Re: P12 "Replacement" Discussion
« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2025, 01:27:50 PM »
Just rambling here.....For 6 months or so the P12 slowly got pushed to the outer edge, sort of to an user-un-friendly portion of my studio due to making room for some newer instruments.   I discovered that I missed it, so just this past week I went out and got a new tiered stand to squeeze it back in.  Now I have the Pro 3 mounted right above it, which make a nice counterpoise.  The point is, that after not using the P12 for probably closer to a year, flipping it back on again, I realized just how cool it is.  It's just so natural to program and seems to connect with my brain on how a synth layout should be.  Gorgeous plucky sounds, among other pads, and weird voicings, etc...  I made a promise to it never threaten it being banished from his other Sequential /DSI friends again :)

I've heard some say that having more than 3-4 synths is overkill, because it becomes impossible to use them all at once... which is true, but it doesn't take into consideration the joy of rediscovering a synth you haven't used in a while and being glad you didn't let it go!

I don't know who these "some people" are, but... I'm happy with my more-than collection! I rarely PLAY anything more than two synths at a time, but I USE almost all of mine all of the time. I bounce from one to the next when trying to find the right synth for the job. The Prophet 5 is almost always the starting point, and much of the time it gets the job, but sometimes it's the Grandmother for a classic lead or the Micromoog for squnky bass. And yeah, there are those synths that don't get as much attention - I turn on my Evolver once or twice a year and my Dark Energy maybe a few times more. The main thing for me is that I love all the synths I have. I've let go of things that only half-thrilled me. Threads like this, though, make me wish I had a Prophet 12 to borrow. That's one synth I barely know...

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Re: P12 "Replacement" Discussion
« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2025, 03:25:09 PM »
Just rambling here.....For 6 months or so the P12 slowly got pushed to the outer edge, sort of to an user-un-friendly portion of my studio due to making room for some newer instruments.   I discovered that I missed it, so just this past week I went out and got a new tiered stand to squeeze it back in.  Now I have the Pro 3 mounted right above it, which make a nice counterpoise.  The point is, that after not using the P12 for probably closer to a year, flipping it back on again, I realized just how cool it is.  It's just so natural to program and seems to connect with my brain on how a synth layout should be.  Gorgeous plucky sounds, among other pads, and weird voicings, etc...  I made a promise to it never threaten it being banished from his other Sequential /DSI friends again :)

I've heard some say that having more than 3-4 synths is overkill, because it becomes impossible to use them all at once... which is true, but it doesn't take into consideration the joy of rediscovering a synth you haven't used in a while and being glad you didn't let it go!

I don't know who these "some people" are, but... I'm happy with my more-than collection! I rarely PLAY anything more than two synths at a time, but I USE almost all of mine all of the time. I bounce from one to the next when trying to find the right synth for the job. The Prophet 5 is almost always the starting point, and much of the time it gets the job, but sometimes it's the Grandmother for a classic lead or the Micromoog for squnky bass. And yeah, there are those synths that don't get as much attention - I turn on my Evolver once or twice a year and my Dark Energy maybe a few times more. The main thing for me is that I love all the synths I have. I've let go of things that only half-thrilled me. Threads like this, though, make me wish I had a Prophet 12 to borrow. That's one synth I barely know...

I'm similar in the sense that all of my synths are a designated tool for a specific job (with some of them being versatile enough to cover multiple jobs).  A few months back I picked up an MFB Dominion... what a gem of a mono synth!  I have no idea if I will ever use it for anything other than bass, but it does that one task like nothing else, so I honestly can't imagine selling it.
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Re: P12 "Replacement" Discussion
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2025, 09:42:31 AM »

LPF83-  I wanted one of those MFB's when they first came out, but getting one in the US seemed nearly impossible. 
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Re: P12 "Replacement" Discussion
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2025, 03:21:44 PM »

LPF83-  I wanted one of those MFB's when they first came out, but getting one in the US seemed nearly impossible.

They are relatively rare, and when folks do let them go they tend to want a premium.  I never could find the price I was willing to pay on Reverb but a friend I'd made through local trades some years back let me know he was downsizing, I couldn't pass this one up, mint condition at a price I've never seen online.  With a little persistence you can definitely find them in the USA, and I do recommend it, there's not much else like it.  Sadly, Manfred Fricke passed away after producing this synth.  I think he was kind of like a German Dave Smith, absolutely genius.  I use it primarily for bass, but it's just absurd how much variety of tone it has, with all the options/filter types/ability to change envelope speed etc. 

The only negative I could even dare to cite about this synth is the pitch and mod ribbon things, I'm not a big fan of them.  I'm actually controlling it via a Korg Keystage at the moment for the wheels and the overall niceness of working with the Keystage in Ableton (but I have the MFB positioned right above it so I have access to the knobs and sliders as well).
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Re: P12 "Replacement" Discussion
« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2025, 09:00:28 AM »

LPF83-  I wanted one of those MFB's when they first came out, but getting one in the US seemed nearly impossible.

They are relatively rare, and when folks do let them go they tend to want a premium.  I never could find the price I was willing to pay on Reverb but a friend I'd made through local trades some years back let me know he was downsizing, I couldn't pass this one up, mint condition at a price I've never seen online.  With a little persistence you can definitely find them in the USA, and I do recommend it, there's not much else like it.  Sadly, Manfred Fricke passed away after producing this synth.  I think he was kind of like a German Dave Smith, absolutely genius.  I use it primarily for bass, but it's just absurd how much variety of tone it has, with all the options/filter types/ability to change envelope speed etc. 

The only negative I could even dare to cite about this synth is the pitch and mod ribbon things, I'm not a big fan of them.  I'm actually controlling it via a Korg Keystage at the moment for the wheels and the overall niceness of working with the Keystage in Ableton (but I have the MFB positioned right above it so I have access to the knobs and sliders as well).


Thanks for the info.    From what I recal, wasn't there some nice sequencing options too?
Sequential/DSI Equipment: Poly Evolver Keyboard, Evolver desktop,   Pro-2, Pro-3, OB6, P-12,
 

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Re: P12 "Replacement" Discussion
« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2025, 10:20:54 AM »

LPF83-  I wanted one of those MFB's when they first came out, but getting one in the US seemed nearly impossible.

They are relatively rare, and when folks do let them go they tend to want a premium.  I never could find the price I was willing to pay on Reverb but a friend I'd made through local trades some years back let me know he was downsizing, I couldn't pass this one up, mint condition at a price I've never seen online.  With a little persistence you can definitely find them in the USA, and I do recommend it, there's not much else like it.  Sadly, Manfred Fricke passed away after producing this synth.  I think he was kind of like a German Dave Smith, absolutely genius.  I use it primarily for bass, but it's just absurd how much variety of tone it has, with all the options/filter types/ability to change envelope speed etc. 

The only negative I could even dare to cite about this synth is the pitch and mod ribbon things, I'm not a big fan of them.  I'm actually controlling it via a Korg Keystage at the moment for the wheels and the overall niceness of working with the Keystage in Ableton (but I have the MFB positioned right above it so I have access to the knobs and sliders as well).


Thanks for the info.    From what I recal, wasn't there some nice sequencing options too?

Yes, it has a sequencer and arp, although I haven't done much with them yet as I typically use the Keystep Pro or just he DAW for that.
Prophet 10, OB-X8m, Prophet 6, OB-6, 3rd Wave, Prophet 12m, Prophet Rev2-16, Toraiz AS-1, Pro 2, Korg Polysix, Roland JP-8080, Roland System-8, Virus TI2, Moog SlimPhatty, Hydrasynth desktop, Roland SPD-SX SE / Octapad, Maschine, Cubase/Ableton/Akai MPC