"VINTAGE" knob feature req on the REV2

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Re: "VINTAGE" knob feature req on the REV2
« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2021, 10:11:53 AM »
Beautiful, @creativespiral, thanks so much for this. Looking forward to trying it on my Rev2 asap.
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Re: "VINTAGE" knob feature req on the REV2
« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2021, 11:11:48 AM »
Also, worth a mention... because of the way Attack/Decay/Release times scale exponentially from input values, the effect of the per voice envelope offsets will be harder to discern with snappy/quick ADR timings (ie:  just milliseconds of difference), but sound much more exaggerated with longer ADR timings... ie: with pads, slow strings, and brass sounds, you'll notice the per voice envelope differences more (sometimes several seconds difference in stage completion times for very long ADR values).   

So if you're designing snappy leads, bass, stabs and plucks, you might wanna start with the more exaggerated '80 template.   If you're designing pads, strings, brass or other slower ADR sound designs, the '85 template will most likely sound better. 

https://www.presetpatch.com/user/CreativeSpiral
VCM_Basic5V_Vint_'80.syx
VCM_Basic5V_Vint_'85.syx

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Re: "VINTAGE" knob feature req on the REV2
« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2021, 03:59:06 PM »
Thanks, psyched to try these, tho I can't get them to load using Laser Mammoth. Got to be user error as I successfully loaded your patch bank using Laser Mammoth. Probably time to invest in a proper librarian anyway.

Re: "VINTAGE" knob feature req on the REV2
« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2021, 10:39:06 PM »
WOW...Thanks! @Creativespiral


Also, worth a mention... because of the way Attack/Decay/Release times scale exponentially from input values, the effect of the per voice envelope offsets will be harder to discern with snappy/quick ADR timings (ie:  just milliseconds of difference), but sound much more exaggerated with longer ADR timings... ie: with pads, slow strings, and brass sounds, you'll notice the per voice envelope differences more (sometimes several seconds difference in stage completion times for very long ADR values).   

So if you're designing snappy leads, bass, stabs and plucks, you might wanna start with the more exaggerated '80 template.   If you're designing pads, strings, brass or other slower ADR sound designs, the '85 template will most likely sound better. 

https://www.presetpatch.com/user/CreativeSpiral
VCM_Basic5V_Vint_'80.syx
VCM_Basic5V_Vint_'85.syx

Re: "VINTAGE" knob feature req on the REV2
« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2021, 07:07:22 PM »
I recorded a new video today that demos the two new Free Vintage Template Patches, along with some explanation of how they work:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1kzNV_JK60

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Re: "VINTAGE" knob feature req on the REV2
« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2021, 10:56:33 AM »
Hey guys - I've been meaning to do this for a while..  I just created two new VCM vintage templates for Rev2 that represent voice modeling in the most basic form - using only 2 mod slots and the gated sequencer... so you have as much modulation real estate as possible for sound design. 

VCM_Basic5V_Vint_'80.syx
VCM_Basic5V_Vint_'85.syx

These two templates only target Osc Freq 1/2, plus EnvAll Attack/Release.   These are the four "highest priority" parameters to target for voice modeling, in my opinion.   In the other templates I have uploaded to my PresetPatch profile, and included in my VCM sound set, there are a bunch of additional parameters targeted, and more advanced voice modeling... including doing intonation based offsets to osc frequencies, targeting more parameters in the VCF/VCA sections, emulating VCO harmonic jitter, and transient effects / glitches... but for these two new template patches, I removed all the extra stuff and just kept it targeted on highest priority voice offsets, with the goal of using the least amount of mod slots, and keeping all four lfos free for sound design.

The '85 template is more subdued, and the one I would recommend using in 90% of sound design scenarios.  For the '80 template, I just cranked up the offsets in gated sequencer to give more extreme voice-to-voice offsets to tuning and env behavior.   (you can open up the gated sequencer and adjust offsets to taste.   The first two lanes are targeting Osc1/2 frequency... the closer to 62 value, the more in-tune they will be.   The last two lanes target EnvAll Attack and Release.  Increasing these values quickens the attack/release respectively for the given voice.   You can also change the Reset step for each seq lane.   In these templates I set reset to step 6, creating a virtual 5-voice modeling situation.   You can adjust to virtually model 6-voices, 8-voices, or even remove the reset altogether and have all 16 virtual voices with voice modeling offsets)

If you crank up 4P resonance a bit and extend the filter and amp attack/decay/release times to be more of a pad sound, you'll hear how much the envelope offsets give separation to resonant peaks in the ADR stages. 

I uploaded the templates to my profile here:
https://www.presetpatch.com/user/CreativeSpiral

This forum seriously needs a "Like" or "Thanks" button... :)

So "Like" and "Thanks"...much appreciated!
bax

Re: "VINTAGE" knob feature req on the REV2
« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2021, 01:16:16 AM »
Thank you very much!

Re: "VINTAGE" knob feature req on the REV2
« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2021, 01:50:31 AM »
I recorded a new video today that demos the two new Free Vintage Template Patches, along with some explanation of how they work:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1kzNV_JK60

Amazing work :)
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Re: "VINTAGE" knob feature req on the REV2
« Reply #28 on: May 07, 2021, 11:29:35 PM »
Please add this feature, I have prophet 6 and a OB6 and I love it. It would be really awesome on the rev2 as well.

Re: "VINTAGE" knob feature req on the REV2
« Reply #29 on: May 13, 2021, 08:04:26 AM »
I’d love to see this added too.  It would free up the sequencer which I currently use for VCM.  Really breathes life into this synth IMO.

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Re: "VINTAGE" knob feature req on the REV2
« Reply #30 on: July 18, 2021, 12:15:22 PM »
Sequential, it would be so wonderful to get the vintage knob functionality on our Rev2.

I see the Rev2 name referring to the synthesizer possible via SMT, corresponding with DS's return to hardware at the beginning of the 21st century. What a wonderful legacy it would be for the all-analog powerful synthesizer connected to these roots were to have this ease-of-use, sonic character bridge to the Rev 1 era.


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Re: "VINTAGE" knob feature req on the REV2
« Reply #31 on: July 19, 2021, 04:59:42 AM »
Sequential, it would be so wonderful to get the vintage knob functionality on our Rev2.

I see the Rev2 name referring to the synthesizer possible via SMT, corresponding with DS's return to hardware at the beginning of the 21st century. What a wonderful legacy it would be for the all-analog powerful synthesizer connected to these roots were to have this ease-of-use, sonic character bridge to the Rev 1 era.

It likely isn't possible. However, IF only the gated sequencer bugs get fixed, you could still program your Rev2 to behave in the same "vintage" fashion... creativespiral has a thread on here with "VCM" in the title, you could search for on the forum. He's also made a patch bank of sounds using this method, however it will only work on one layer patches, because of the sequencer bugs.

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Re: "VINTAGE" knob feature req on the REV2
« Reply #32 on: July 20, 2021, 09:34:49 AM »
I suspect your right, maxter. For the Rev2, in comparing the two workflows, I prefer the user-specified control afforded by the 4-track, 16 step gated sequencer versus the one-knob control of one fixed set of dynamic multi-paramter adjustments. … I suppose it’s entirely wishful thinking to magically get both the gated sequencer and the vintage knob in the Rev2.

I would like the ability to reliably program the gated sequencer independently for layers A & B, with both layers active. Hopefully, if it's deemed as a bug and is fixable, it gets fixed. Thank you for referencing the VCM thread.

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creativespiral, thank you for your recent templates trying to get the most VCM with fewest mod slots.