2020 Black Friday Holiday Sale - $10 Off - Voice Modeling Rev2 Sound Bank



2020 Black Friday Holiday Sale!
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Prophet Rev2 Voice Component Modeling Soundset
128 Custom Patches for Rev2, using advanced modulation techniques to give the Rev2 vintage poly synth type of character, with per-voice offsets to tuning, envelopes and other components.   Based on many moons of research and measurements of classic poly synths from the 70s and 80s.  Many famous song tones and other classic poly synth tones inspired by vintage synths.  Also, lots of very organic sounding acoustic ensemble patches - orchestra, strings, wind, brass, choirs, etc..




OB-X8, Pro 3, P6, Rev2, Take 5, 3rd Wave, Deepmind, PolyBrute, Sub 37
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Re: 2020 Black Friday Holiday Sale - $10 Off - Voice Modeling Rev2 Sound Bank
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2020, 11:28:41 PM »
2020 Black Friday Holiday Sale!
You have my money - thanks a lot for this great set!


Jason, could you please provide more details about the templates? :-)

117 VCM 4V3O (Int, Jit)
VCM Template 4Voice, 3Osc, Intonation)

118 VCM 6V2O (FFJG)
VCM Template 6Voice, 2Osc, Per Voice)

119 VCM 6V3O (Int)
VCM Template 6Voice, 3Osc, Intonation)

120 VCM 5V2O (Int, Jit)
VCM Template 5Voice, 2Osc, Intonation)

121 VCM 8V2O (IIJG)
VCM Template 8Voice, 2Osc, Intonation)
« Last Edit: November 24, 2020, 11:30:20 PM by alexpen »

Re: 2020 Black Friday Holiday Sale - $10 Off - Voice Modeling Rev2 Sound Bank
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2020, 09:31:04 AM »
2020 Black Friday Holiday Sale!
You have my money - thanks a lot for this great set!


Jason, could you please provide more details about the templates? :-)

117 VCM 4V3O (Int, Jit)
VCM Template 4Voice, 3Osc, Intonation)

118 VCM 6V2O (FFJG)
VCM Template 6Voice, 2Osc, Per Voice)

119 VCM 6V3O (Int)
VCM Template 6Voice, 3Osc, Intonation)

120 VCM 5V2O (Int, Jit)
VCM Template 5Voice, 2Osc, Intonation)

121 VCM 8V2O (IIJG)
VCM Template 8Voice, 2Osc, Intonation)

Thanks Alex!

Yeah, the templates are Init Patches, with the Voice Modeling wiring set up, so you can just work on your own sound designs from there.    If you're wanting to model a specific amount of voice synth, you can choose the voice model that is closest to your target... for instance, if you want to model a OBX type of character, use the 8-voice template... if you want a MemoryMoog type of character, go with 6-voice.    The voice count that is modeled in the gated sequencer will cycle through that many voices in round robin fashion, before repeating back to the first modeled voice (regardless of whether you're using a 8-voice or 16-voice Prophet Rev2)... you won't get voice stealing though.   

When I first started doing voice modeling I just used basic per-voice offsets.  But after analyzing lots of classic synths, I noticed one of the predominant tuning behaviors is that the VCO oscillators have an intonation (oscillator scaling) as you test them up and down the keybed.    So the "Intonation" templates/models, attempt to capture that dynamic as well... where each oscillator has its own offsets per-voice, and those offsets scale to be more far from nominal, as you progress further from the center of the keybed.   All the models have offsets to envelope timing as well.  Usually Attack/Decay, though you can switch the Decay to Release in gated sequencer, if you wish.  I've been focusing on Attack/Release most recently, as I've found giving offsets to attack already create a downstream effect of offsetting decay. 

The 3-osc models are set up with two layers (Extended Single Stacks), so you have access to two oscillators on the first layer and one more fully controllable osc on second layer... If you wanted to model a MemoryMoog with three oscillators, you might wanna work from this template.  The thing to keep in mind is that you'll want to copy all envelope settings and other non oscillators settings from layer A to B, and keep them in sync if you want the second layer to act like an expanded first layer, where you just have access to extra oscillators.   Technically you can use this type of "extended single stacking" to get access to four fully controllable oscillators, plus two subs.    (I would stick with the 2-Osc single layer templates to start though, as you can just focus on the single layer) 

Other things to note:  Just be careful not to change the osc fine tuning offsets, gated sequencer, or mod slots that do the voice modeling...  You can change the octave of oscillators, osc shapes, envelope ADSR, LFOs, other unused mod slots, etc... to come up with your own sound designs.. but just be cognizant that the fine tune offsets for oscillators are there to counterbalance the voice modeling.   If you do want to alter fine tune offsets for each oscillator, just note where they are set in the template, and consider that the "0" point to make further adjustments. 

I would recommend getting started with the "121 VCM 8V2O" template... that's the one that I most often start from.   Or if you want a template that uses fewer mod slots for voice modeling, but still captures 90% of the vintage per-voice character, start with the "118 VCM 6V2O" template... that one has two more available mod slots if you want to do more advanced sound designs. 

Hope that helps, happy holidays!  - J

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Re: 2020 Black Friday Holiday Sale - $10 Off - Voice Modeling Rev2 Sound Bank
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2020, 12:47:57 PM »
Wow, many thanks for your comprehensive answer!

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Re: 2020 Black Friday Holiday Sale - $10 Off - Voice Modeling Rev2 Sound Bank
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2020, 06:41:23 AM »
Great answer. What do FFJG and IIJG stand for?

Re: 2020 Black Friday Holiday Sale - $10 Off - Voice Modeling Rev2 Sound Bank
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2020, 09:12:07 AM »
Great answer. What do FFJG and IIJG stand for?

Shorthand notes I made as I ran out of space to write longer names...

The first two characters represent the type of per-voice offsets to the two oscillators.   FF was my way to indicate a standard Frequency offsets.   II is Intonation/Intonation offsets for the two oscillators... creating that effect where each oscillator has a sweet spot near the center of the keybed, but progressively gets flatter or sharper as you move up and down the keybed.  (which was the most common behavior I measured in classic VCO synths) 

The "J" is meant to stand for Jitter - indicating that I modeled VCO harmonic jitter / frequency jitter / phase noise.   

I'm blanking right now on what the "G" indicates... need more coffee, apparently.  ;)  Will check in a bit and get back to you.

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Re: 2020 Black Friday Holiday Sale - $10 Off - Voice Modeling Rev2 Sound Bank
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2020, 07:00:17 PM »
I bought these the other day and wow!  They sound amazing.  These patches are very musical and they really make the Rev2 sound incredible.  I bought the Pro 3 set too. ;-)

I sincerely appreciate all your hard work on these sounds and your dedication to spreading the knowledge here and on other forums.  I’ve learned so much.  Many thanks.
Rev2, Pro3, OB-X8, Kronos, Summit, Hydrasynth, Subsequent37, Taurus III, Iridium, Opsix, Eurorack

Re: 2020 Black Friday Holiday Sale - $10 Off - Voice Modeling Rev2 Sound Bank
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2020, 01:50:04 PM »
I bought these the other day and wow!  They sound amazing.  These patches are very musical and they really make the Rev2 sound incredible.  I bought the Pro 3 set too. ;-)

I sincerely appreciate all your hard work on these sounds and your dedication to spreading the knowledge here and on other forums.  I’ve learned so much.  Many thanks.

Glad you're enjoying the patches, @SProkai!


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Sound Sets:
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Re: 2020 Black Friday Holiday Sale - $10 Off - Voice Modeling Rev2 Sound Bank
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2020, 03:57:28 PM »
Great answer. What do FFJG and IIJG stand for?
I'm blanking right now on what the "G" indicates... need more coffee, apparently.  ;)  Will check in a bit and get back to you.

Looked at the templates to jog my memory -  "G" stands for Glitch on these template patches...  this is a sort of macro behavior, applying per-voice offsets to the Aux Envelope Amount to accomplish a periodic frequency glitch per voice.   This was a behavior that I noticed on some vintage synths I tested/analyzed.   If you hold down a chord, you can hear a subtle glitch in frequency that varies per voice.   

There's another transient effect that occurs on many vintage poly synths at note-on that is similar, and can be achieved by just turning off looping on the Aux envelope and having a short decay/release, with no attack or sustain, so the pitch starts slightly out of tune (either sharp or flat), but quickly settles into nominal tuning after striking a note.   

If you need an extra mod slot for other modulation, or don't want to have the glitch or transient pitch settle, just remove the mod slot that targets Aux Env Amount.   


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Re: 2020 Black Friday Holiday Sale - $10 Off - Voice Modeling Rev2 Sound Bank
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2020, 06:03:33 AM »
Glad I asked. That little glitch was what I came to not care for in template 121. (I started using 120 more.) I was using it in a monophonic patch and didn’t like what it was doing when it cycled to the glitch. I would probably like it better for polyphonic patches. I also am happy to know how to undo it, especially if I want to use the third envelope.

Re: 2020 Black Friday Holiday Sale - $10 Off - Voice Modeling Rev2 Sound Bank
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2020, 11:08:27 AM »
After a couple of days I'm absolutely in love with the patches.
To be very honest I was afraid to find kind of "blender" patches, overloaded with effects and all this stuff... I think we all know very well )

But hey, here we have **tones** of great sounding "normal" patches, sorted by category, very-very useful for production, easily adjustable.

Thanks again for your work!
It doesn't really fit to this forum, but looking forward for your VCM Deepmind patches as well!

Re: 2020 Black Friday Holiday Sale - $10 Off - Voice Modeling Rev2 Sound Bank
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2020, 01:52:21 PM »
Thanks for the note, Alex... appreciate it!   

Glad you're enjoying the patches!!

OB-X8, Pro 3, P6, Rev2, Take 5, 3rd Wave, Deepmind, PolyBrute, Sub 37
Sound Sets:
https://sounddesign.sellfy.store/
Free Patches:
https://www.PresetPatch.com/user/CreativeSpiral

Re: 2020 Black Friday Holiday Sale - $10 Off - Voice Modeling Rev2 Sound Bank
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2020, 01:56:50 PM »
FYI:  I extended this Black Friday Sale to be a more general "Holiday Sale"... now good through end of December... for anyone wanting to take advantage of the savings over the next few weeks.   Good for both the Rev2 and Pro3 patch banks.

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OB-X8, Pro 3, P6, Rev2, Take 5, 3rd Wave, Deepmind, PolyBrute, Sub 37
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Re: 2020 Black Friday Holiday Sale - $10 Off - Voice Modeling Rev2 Sound Bank
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2020, 10:50:38 AM »
Disclaimer - I am in no way associated with Creative Spiral.

I just have to add that the work on the VCM was what made me keep my Rev2 - I was somewhat disappointed as I am more of a keyboard player than a sound designer, and was ready to flip the Rev2. I bought some aftermarket sound banks, and the two I would highlight to anybody interested is Razmo's (RIP) Realm of Fantasy, no longer available, and Jason's VCM bank. I keep going back to those while jamming with friends, and find the use of the step sequencer here a killer app, compared to synths without.

Rumors have it that the Prophet 5 Rev 4 vintage knob follows a similar logic, but I do not know if that is true, I think it came up on YouTube somewhere.

Anyway, just wanted to say thank you here for inspiring me!
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