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Playing over the sequencer?

Playing over the sequencer?
« on: October 26, 2020, 05:01:17 AM »
Hi,

Is it possible in Paraphonic mode to use 1 or 2 oscs in the sequencer/Arp, and use the remaining osc to play a solo over the top (that is free from the seq/arp?)

My Matrixbrute can do this. Would be perfect if the Pro 3 could do it too'

Also, if you make a sequence with 4 versions (ie on the 4 seq buttons), can they be all be saved with in a patch?

Sorry if these questions are dumb.

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Re: Playing over the sequencer?
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2020, 09:34:47 AM »
I can only answer your last question regarding 4 different versions of sequences they can be saved with the patch.   :)
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Re: Playing over the sequencer?
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2020, 10:30:46 AM »
Nah, those aren't dumb questions at all, and I've seen PLENTY of dumb questions

We don't allow you to play over the sequencer with the other oscillators, mostly because it's paraphonic. We do allow that in other synths, like the P6 and OB6, but we won't be adding it to the Pro3 because some of the other features (like the arp working WITH the sequencer) added a great deal of complexity. I'll keep it in mind for future instruments

Hi,

Is it possible in Paraphonic mode to use 1 or 2 oscs in the sequencer/Arp, and use the remaining osc to play a solo over the top (that is free from the seq/arp?)

My Matrixbrute can do this. Would be perfect if the Pro 3 could do it too'

Also, if you make a sequence with 4 versions (ie on the 4 seq buttons), can they be all be saved with in a patch?

Sorry if these questions are dumb.
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Re: Playing over the sequencer?
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2020, 12:07:00 PM »
The arp working with the sequencer was a brilliant move on the Pro 3, we’ve made some incredible bass lines with the combo!
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Re: Playing over the sequencer?
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2020, 01:47:04 PM »
Can someone elaborate on the possibilities for using the arp with the sequencer? Ive been playing around with trying to use both at the same time but haven't quite figured it out.
« Last Edit: November 06, 2020, 01:55:56 PM by dparra »

Re: Playing over the sequencer?
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2020, 08:34:08 PM »
Set the Sequencer to "Trigger" or "Gated" mode, and then alter the sequence lane mod targets and steps.   

You can make complex arpeggios by assigning lanes to Osc Course Frequency, and setting each step to specific targeted values associated with musical intervals.   Here's an thread showing an example of complex arp:
https://forum.sequential.com/index.php/topic,4424.msg44931.html#msg44931

And this thread has some technical details for targeting musical intervals via mod matrix/sequencer:
https://forum.sequential.com/index.php/topic,4234.msg43563.html#msg43563

Set some steps to a Perfect 4th, Perfect 5th or Octave (Up or Down).  (you'll want to remember +40, +56, +96... those are the values for P4, P5, Oct)    You can get some really complex arp behaviors that vary on the 16-steps (or 32/64/XX steps)... and that sequence stepping is multiplexed with whatever is currently playing through the arpeggiator... so you can have the Arp running with or without repeats and octaves, and in any arp-mode (up, down, updown, assign, random)     You can create some really interesting patterns and polyrhythms this way. 

Also, you can target any number of additional parameters with the extra seq lanes in gated/trigger mode...  And you can set the sequence mode to Restart On/Off, which will alter how new note strikes/chords will interact with the sequence.    When combined with the arp, you can quickly get lost in interesting and evolving patterns.   
« Last Edit: November 06, 2020, 08:39:50 PM by creativespiral »

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Re: Playing over the sequencer?
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2020, 08:50:14 PM »
Also, regarding playing over the sequencer in a dawless environment...  I highly recommend pairing the the Pro3 with a Boss RC-300 Loop Pedal...  it's a match made in synth heaven if you want to record multiple parts and play over them.   It's got three loop buffers, and you can continuously add parts (basslines, arps, paraphonic pads, etc) and switch between them while playing. 

Here's an example I did of Pro3 with RC-300 Looper:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIYB4UlCEyw

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Re: Playing over the sequencer?
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2020, 01:03:06 PM »
Also, regarding playing over the sequencer in a dawless environment...  I highly recommend pairing the the Pro3 with a Boss RC-300 Loop Pedal...  it's a match made in synth heaven if you want to record multiple parts and play over them.   It's got three loop buffers, and you can continuously add parts (basslines, arps, paraphonic pads, etc) and switch between them while playing. 

Here's an example I did of Pro3 with RC-300 Looper:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIYB4UlCEyw

That is awesome.  8)

I already have an RC-505 and figured with would be a great companion for the Pro 3.

One other question.

The 4 track buttons.  (Ideal for those 80s Derpeche Mode verse, chorus changes.

Is there anyway they can trigger different presets?  Could an update let you assign a different sound to when you change to the next track between 1 - 4?  and maybe a simple chain function?

Maybe i'm being a bit greedy  ;D

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Re: Playing over the sequencer?
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2020, 02:12:52 PM »
All great ideas, all not gonna happen

But I'll keep that in mind for the future  ;D

Also, regarding playing over the sequencer in a dawless environment...  I highly recommend pairing the the Pro3 with a Boss RC-300 Loop Pedal...  it's a match made in synth heaven if you want to record multiple parts and play over them.   It's got three loop buffers, and you can continuously add parts (basslines, arps, paraphonic pads, etc) and switch between them while playing. 

Here's an example I did of Pro3 with RC-300 Looper:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIYB4UlCEyw

That is awesome.  8)

I already have an RC-505 and figured with would be a great companion for the Pro 3.

One other question.

The 4 track buttons.  (Ideal for those 80s Derpeche Mode verse, chorus changes.

Is there anyway they can trigger different presets?  Could an update let you assign a different sound to when you change to the next track between 1 - 4?  and maybe a simple chain function?

Maybe i'm being a bit greedy  ;D
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Re: Playing over the sequencer?
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2020, 02:34:39 PM »
Also, regarding playing over the sequencer in a dawless environment...  I highly recommend pairing the the Pro3 with a Boss RC-300 Loop Pedal...  it's a match made in synth heaven if you want to record multiple parts and play over them.   It's got three loop buffers, and you can continuously add parts (basslines, arps, paraphonic pads, etc) and switch between them while playing. 

Here's an example I did of Pro3 with RC-300 Looper:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIYB4UlCEyw

That is awesome.  8)

I already have an RC-505 and figured with would be a great companion for the Pro 3.

One other question.

The 4 track buttons.  (Ideal for those 80s Derpeche Mode verse, chorus changes.

Is there anyway they can trigger different presets?  Could an update let you assign a different sound to when you change to the next track between 1 - 4?  and maybe a simple chain function?

Maybe i'm being a bit greedy  ;D

Thanks Tardis,... yeah the RC-505 is a good match too.   I just prefer the 300 due to the foot pedal triggering.... though I suppose you could use the RC-505 on ground, or maybe attach ext trigger pedal?

You can get a lot of variance between the 4 ABCD phrases with the current setup, but not a totally different preset with those buttons.   Since there's so many assignable seq tracks, you can get significantly different character on each phrase, representing different sections of a song... altering envelope shapes, osc mix/shape/freq, filter settings etc.   It takes a bit of time to fine tune each phrase separately, but definitely possible.  I've been doing a lot of this the past month... building a new bank of complex arp, seq and motion patches. 

Also, the Pro3 does have the Cue Program function, which works great for doing verse/chorus changes, where you want a totally different preset.   You can que it up with one hand while the seq is playing, and it will switch, in time, to the next preset and play the sequence on the preset... that's the best bet if you wanna have significantly different verse and chorus sections with different sounds. 
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Re: Playing over the sequencer?
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2020, 03:03:40 AM »

Also, the Pro3 does have the Cue Program function, which works great for doing verse/chorus changes, where you want a totally different preset.   You can que it up with one hand while the seq is playing, and it will switch, in time, to the next preset and play the sequence on the preset... that's the best bet if you wanna have significantly different verse and chorus sections with different sounds.

Thanks for tip :)

After watching Espen Krafts great vid demonstrating the Six Trak's sequencer, I noticed an absence of these simple real time track sequencers, They are such fun and so immediate. All mono synths seem to have these step sequencers now. I really hope Dave looks into adding these fun real time scratch pad sequencers, as they are so easy and approachable to capture ideas, before waiting for your DAW to load up and ideas and inspiration long vanished.

Nearly bought a Six Trak the other day as I couldn;t really find anything else that had such an immediate feature with analog sound engine.  Am getting a Pro 3 but the RC-505 will be mounted above it perminently I think. :)