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Lobo's Gear Rant Thread
« on: October 18, 2020, 02:08:22 PM »
You knew it was coming ;)


So my goal for my setup is to use modern gear to mimic John Carpenter/Alan Howarth's setup they used to score Big Trouble In Little China. I think it is the ultimate synth set up in history.

Prophet-5 and Prophet-10 (w/Poly Sequencers)
ARP Avatar (x2) w/ARP Sequencer.
Emulator 1 and 2.
Prophet VS.
Prophet 2000.
Kurzweil K250.
Oberheim SEM Four Voice.
Linn LM1 and Linn Drum and EMU SP-12 for a monster percussion/drum ensemble.


Right now. I'm thinking this for my settup

Prophet-6 and possibly a Prophet REV 2-This is to mimic the Prophet 5 and Prophet 10. The Prophet 6 I already have but I'm still undecided about the REV2. While I would love to see Sequential follow up the Prophet 6 with a monster VCO synth...I don't think it will happen....so the REV2 (8 Voice) might just be the only compromise.



ARP Odyssey Desktops (x2)-Avatars were essentially Odysseys-I'm interested in getting the ARP edition of the Korg SQ-1 but it's missing one crucial feature...the ability to transpose the sequence with the external synth. I may actually get a Linnstrument and use the sequencer on that to control the Odysseys. (This will also allow me to use the Linnstrument to articulate the Prophet X's violin and fretless bass samples when doing orchestral work)



Sequential Prophet X and XL to mimic the Emulator 1 and 2. Why the X and XL? Because I'm so comfortable with the interface and architecture and while I would prefer a Prophet XS (desktop module) I know it's unlikely to happen and there is something about having two of these things going at once. Especially with one doing more percussion and rhythm oriented sounds while you play melodies and leads over top with the other. Plus playing piano/organ sounds on the XL feels excellent.


Prophet VS.-This is what I'm hoping Sequential's next synth brings. Not a reissue but a synth that has the same type of wavetable oscillators in the Pro 3. Perhaps something along the lines of the VCO/Wavetable oscillators type architecture (which will hopefully include the Prophet VS waveforms as well as some more complex wavetables/user wavetables that you can sweep) If this is the case, then perhaps I can tick off the Prophet 10/Prophet VS in one go with a single synth.



For the Prophet 2000. I suppose technically the Prophet X would be the appropriate synth to go for for this but as the PX and XL are taking up the Emulator duties, I might try and find a desktop type sampler...perhaps a Tasty Chips GR-1 or I might just skip this all together.



Now for the Kurzweil K250 there are a lot of excellent options from Kurzweil currently and I've had my eye on the PC4 but I would really like to see Kurzweil bring out a desktop or module version of their V.A.S.T. engine. Truth be told, I was actually looking at the desktop module from Dexibell. Yes it's a completely different sound/company but I think having an 88 key synth is going to prove a bit problematic real estate wise. I was thinking about just having the PC4 and Prophet X together as opposed to the Prophet X and Prophet XL but I actually feel I wouldn't utilizing the scope of the Kurzweil engine enough as opposed to the PX/XL engines.


I was aiming for the Oberheim Two Voice Pro to mimic the duties of the Oberheim SEM Four Voice (Which was mostly used as a bass synth) but that plan did not work out as everyone knows. I still might try and get a second hand one but from the second hand prices I'm seeing (close to $8-9K) I might just have to find an alternative.


For the Linn LM1 and Linn Drum and EMU SP-12 ensemble I have the Tempest and ISLA S2400 drum machines....I was leaning towards an Arturia DrumBrute to add to the mix as well...which is obviously nothing like any of the Carpenter/Howarth setup but it would give me some more variety.....that being said if Sequential do come out with a new drum machine or when Roger Linn comes out with his new drum machine...I'd take that over the DrumBrute obviously)

Shaw

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Re: Lobo's Gear Rant Thread
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2020, 03:32:55 PM »
You knew it was coming ;)


So my goal for my setup is to use modern gear to mimic John Carpenter/Alan Howarth's setup they used to score Big Trouble In Little China. I think it is the ultimate synth set up in history.

Prophet-5 and Prophet-10 (w/Poly Sequencers)
ARP Avatar (x2) w/ARP Sequencer.
Emulator 1 and 2.
Prophet VS.
Prophet 2000.
Kurzweil K250.
Oberheim SEM Four Voice.
Linn LM1 and Linn Drum and EMU SP-12 for a monster percussion/drum ensemble.

First, itís about time. Welcome!


A few observations...


ó I donít think the REV 2 is going to be a precise enough replacement for a Prophet 5/10. Maybe, depends on the sounds you have in your head. But it seems the Prophet 5 sound is one of the cornerstones of Carpenterís work. If youíre wanting to save on costs, thatís probably not the place to do it.

The Arp / Linnstrument Combo would be killer.... especially since you play guitar and are familiar with the voicings.  And arenít the Arps with full size keys harder to find.  I hate mini keys... if you donít, donít tell us.  I donít want to lose respect for you.

Sequential Prophet X and XL to mimic the Emulator 1 and 2.
.... solid.


For the Prophet VS... yeah, let's hope, but I have given up trying to guess Sequential's next move.



For the Prophet 2000.... you sometimes see these on Reverb, or find an Emulator on Reverb and let the Prophet X fulfill the duties of the Prophet 2000 and use the Emulator as.... itself.

The Kurzweil K2000, K2500 or PC3K6 would do nicely and are plentiful on Reverb.

The Oberheim TVS... well, you could get two (or 4) SEMs along with a Mutable Instruments Yarns (which would convert 4 voice MIDI data to four separate CV signals for the SEMs).  Or a couple of Studio Electronics Boomstars might also do the trick.  If you just planning to do bass, then two voices is plenty. If youíre looking a polyphonic pads, the price of putting together a four voice gets you into the territory of... brace yourself for a controversial statement... a Moog One which with its dual SVFs power voice, makes great Oberheim sounds.

Finally, LinnDrum samples would be really cool in a Prophet X... and for the price of a LinnDrum, you could get a *gasp* 3rd Prophet X.

I look forward to living through you vicariously in your quest to build this monster Setup..... it is clearly a young manís task. 

Good luck!
"Classical musicians go to the conservatories, rockīn roll musicians go to the garages." --- Frank Zappa

LoboLives

Re: Lobo's Gear Rant Thread
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2020, 03:57:02 PM »
You knew it was coming ;)


So my goal for my setup is to use modern gear to mimic John Carpenter/Alan Howarth's setup they used to score Big Trouble In Little China. I think it is the ultimate synth set up in history.

Prophet-5 and Prophet-10 (w/Poly Sequencers)
ARP Avatar (x2) w/ARP Sequencer.
Emulator 1 and 2.
Prophet VS.
Prophet 2000.
Kurzweil K250.
Oberheim SEM Four Voice.
Linn LM1 and Linn Drum and EMU SP-12 for a monster percussion/drum ensemble.

First, itís about time. Welcome!


A few observations...


ó I donít think the REV 2 is going to be a precise enough replacement for a Prophet 5/10. Maybe, depends on the sounds you have in your head. But it seems the Prophet 5 sound is one of the cornerstones of Carpenterís work. If youíre wanting to save on costs, thatís probably not the place to do it.

The Arp / Linnstrument Combo would be killer.... especially since you play guitar and are familiar with the voicings.  And arenít the Arps with full size keys harder to find.  I hate mini keys... if you donít, donít tell us.  I donít want to lose respect for you.

Sequential Prophet X and XL to mimic the Emulator 1 and 2.
.... solid.


For the Prophet VS... yeah, let's hope, but I have given up trying to guess Sequential's next move.



For the Prophet 2000.... you sometimes see these on Reverb, or find an Emulator on Reverb and let the Prophet X fulfill the duties of the Prophet 2000 and use the Emulator as.... itself.

The Kurzweil K2000, K2500 or PC3K6 would do nicely and are plentiful on Reverb.

The Oberheim TVS... well, you could get two (or 4) SEMs along with a Mutable Instruments Yarns (which would convert 4 voice MIDI data to four separate CV signals for the SEMs).  Or a couple of Studio Electronics Boomstars might also do the trick.  If you just planning to do bass, then two voices is plenty. If youíre looking a polyphonic pads, the price of putting together a four voice gets you into the territory of... brace yourself for a controversial statement... a Moog One which with its dual SVFs power voice, makes great Oberheim sounds.

Finally, LinnDrum samples would be really cool in a Prophet X... and for the price of a LinnDrum, you could get a *gasp* 3rd Prophet X.

I look forward to living through you vicariously in your quest to build this monster Setup..... it is clearly a young manís task. 

Good luck!


I wouldnít want to get into buying vintage gear off of Reverb so any vintage Emu, Sequential or Kurzweil stuff is a no go. Theres just a lot less options in terms of sampler synths these days.  Iím actually shocked Elektron havenít developed a keyboard based sample synth. 

The ARPs would just be the desktop modules so no keys involved.

LoboLives

Re: Lobo's Gear Rant Thread
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2020, 03:41:21 PM »
Part of me still considers every now and then that I do listen to and am influenced by other composers other than John Carpenter. The more I listen to the Yamaha Montage the more I start to hear David Michael Frankís scores for films like Code Of Silence or Alan Silvestriís Synclavier scores like The  Delta Force or even Jerry Goldsmithís FM/Orchestral scores like Leviathan.  With itís newly implemented and easy to use song mode, external sequencing, advanced FM and wonderful sampled sounds it really is a versatile machine that might suit me better in the long run than sticking to my Carpenter setup. Still though the Kurzweil PC4 is also another contender as well. Itís incredibly similar to the Montage in terms of features but Iíve heard the sequencing is a bit cumbersome and completely linear based compared to the Montage which is based around ďscenesĒ that you can arrange into a composition. It feels a lot more stimulating and intuitive. Even when composing Orchestral pieces, that workflow might actually be really beneficial. Even listening to composers like Ennio Morricone, Akira Ifukube, Ronald Stein, Nicholas Carras, James Bernard And Henry Mancini, the arrangements are actually very simple and could easily be approached with modern electronic gear. Even things like drum machines....they donít need to be regulated to synthwave, EDM, techno, etc....why not jazz drums? Why not timpani or Orchestral percussions?
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A Thousand Eyes

Re: Lobo's Gear Rant Thread
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2020, 04:34:53 PM »
So you've done a 180 on touchscreens as well?  ;D

LoboLives

Re: Lobo's Gear Rant Thread
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2020, 04:50:15 PM »
So you've done a 180 on touchscreens as well?  ;D

No itís actually holding me back from the Montage to be honest.

Shaw

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Re: Lobo's Gear Rant Thread
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2020, 05:11:58 PM »
So you've done a 180 on touchscreens as well?  ;D

No itís actually holding me back from the Montage to be honest.


Touchscreens can be a blessing or curse. 


I think it mostly comes down to integration and how well the touchscreen is integrated into the OS ó and hopefully what can be done on the touchscreen is duplicated (as much as possible) in the hardware in case the touchscreen fails.


The Waldorf Quantum was great at this.  Not every parameter was duplicated with a knob, but it was pretty close.


At any rate, get thee to a music store and lay hands on a Montage first... you may find that the touchscreen is or isnít a deal breaker one way or another.  And I also admit, the Montage sounds superb if you are after this FM tones. 
"Classical musicians go to the conservatories, rockīn roll musicians go to the garages." --- Frank Zappa

LoboLives

Re: Lobo's Gear Rant Thread
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2020, 06:55:54 PM »
So you've done a 180 on touchscreens as well?  ;D

No itís actually holding me back from the Montage to be honest.


Touchscreens can be a blessing or curse. 


I think it mostly comes down to integration and how well the touchscreen is integrated into the OS ó and hopefully what can be done on the touchscreen is duplicated (as much as possible) in the hardware in case the touchscreen fails.


The Waldorf Quantum was great at this.  Not every parameter was duplicated with a knob, but it was pretty close.


At any rate, get thee to a music store and lay hands on a Montage first... you may find that the touchscreen is or isnít a deal breaker one way or another.  And I also admit, the Montage sounds superb if you are after this FM tones.

Iíve played the Montage a few times and some of the Orchestral sounds are incredible as well as the FM tones. The floor model I played had some latency issues with the touch screen but you can still navigate around using the hardware buttons and knobs so itís not too bad.

I also tried a PC4 as well and while it felt very plastic the sound was incredible and I was shocked at how easy it was to navigate.

Shaw

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Re: Lobo's Gear Rant Thread
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2020, 07:00:03 PM »
I also tried a PC4 as well and while it felt very plastic the sound was incredible and I was shocked at how easy it was to navigate.


The Kurzweil UI and software are logical for sure.  And VAST synthesis its powerful to say the least.
"Classical musicians go to the conservatories, rockīn roll musicians go to the garages." --- Frank Zappa

LoboLives

Re: Lobo's Gear Rant Thread
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2020, 11:49:27 PM »
I also tried a PC4 as well and while it felt very plastic the sound was incredible and I was shocked at how easy it was to navigate.


The Kurzweil UI and software are logical for sure.  And VAST synthesis its powerful to say the least.

The one thing I miss is they took out the arranger aspect of their sequencers and just went for pretty basic linear workstation sequencing. I'd have to really sit down with the PC4 to see if the sequencer is going to be intuitive or a headache.

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Re: Lobo's Gear Rant Thread
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2020, 12:58:57 AM »
I do like my Montage. It is slightly slower than the MODX changing from one performance to another but I assume that's down to the fact that it needs to set all the lighting on the knobs, buttons and sliders which the MODX doesn't. I prefer using the Montage than the MODX because of this and because the keybed feels a lotter better to me (Comparing Montage6 with MODX6)

I mainly bought these for the FM engine but I've got a couple of 'vintage' packs as well and enjoy those.
DSI Prophet Rev2, DSI Pro 2, Moog Sub37, Korg Minilogue, Yamaha MOXF6, Yamaha MODX6, Yamaha Montage6

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Re: Lobo's Gear Rant Thread
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2020, 01:39:52 AM »
Just had another thought about the Montage touch screen. I have all screen animation effects turned off because it runs so much smoother and makes the whole user experience a lot better.
DSI Prophet Rev2, DSI Pro 2, Moog Sub37, Korg Minilogue, Yamaha MOXF6, Yamaha MODX6, Yamaha Montage6