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Feature Request Prophet-5 vintage knob function in P6/OB6

Re: Feature Request Prophet-5 vintage knob function in P6/OB6
« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2020, 03:01:51 PM »
Since having the slop @ 50% and above induces sea sickness, it would be nice if any future upgrade (however unlikely) used the last 64 steps of the Slop knob for Vintage.

That way, existing presets could still use slop at 0%-50% and be thresholded at 50%. Only those presets with extreme Slop would be less... sloppy.

Then if you turn the slop knob to 51%, we'll you're 1% into the vintage realm.

Or, to make it less discontinuous, value of 50% to 100% of the Slop knob are actually 50% to 0% Vintage (reverse direction)

That way crossing over from 50% slop to 50% vintage is a bit smoother. The algorithm would be discontinuous, but the resulting effect would be equally as deep - just derived from a different vector.

That creates a gradient of the slop knob like this:

clean -> mild slop -> pretty sloppy -> very sloppy -> very vintage -> pretty vintage -> mild vintage -> barely vintage

Almost like a PWN knob for slop/vintage!

That would be killer. I would pay for an upgrade to that. And it makes it easier for people to choose to try the new firmware because they'd feel like it was the "best of both worlds"

I think this is a good idea, if it's possible to change the behavior of the "slop" knob. But i think we need a function switch between "slop" and "vintage". Otherwise all presets with "slop" will not sound correct.

Sometimes you want to induce sea sickness.w
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Re: Feature Request Prophet-5 vintage knob function in P6/OB6
« Reply #21 on: October 13, 2020, 12:17:26 PM »
I think I would like this feature. As I understand it, it works more like I'd expect "Slop" to than it actually does. I suppose it might affect the sound of existing patches, but I don't really see how it would do so in a way that was inconsistent with their intention. Like, if you turned up the slop knob on a patch, you wanted slop. It might be achieved a different way, but would it really catastrophically change the way patches sound? I guess I'd need to hear some comparison examples to know.

Re: Feature Request Prophet-5 vintage knob function in P6/OB6
« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2020, 09:21:41 PM »
I would also add that it’s particularly essential on these two synths, since with the other polys you create envelope slop / voice mismatching with the mod matrix. The “vintage” algorithm is a great and simple solution for adding flexibility to digital envelopes.

Re: Feature Request Prophet-5 vintage knob function in P6/OB6
« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2020, 08:03:21 PM »
Very keen for this feature too! Happy to pay for it if need be :)

Re: Feature Request Prophet-5 vintage knob function in P6/OB6
« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2020, 11:53:24 PM »
I would also add that it’s particularly essential on these two synths, since with the other polys you create envelope slop / voice mismatching with the mod matrix. The “vintage” algorithm is a great and simple solution for adding flexibility to digital envelopes.

It's a completely different sound. Even Dave said it's nothing like Slop.
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Re: Feature Request Prophet-5 vintage knob function in P6/OB6
« Reply #25 on: October 27, 2020, 07:41:55 AM »
Doesn't the Prophet have a few unused global settings slots? Maybe the behavior could be selectable that way.

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Re: Feature Request Prophet-5 vintage knob function in P6/OB6
« Reply #26 on: October 27, 2020, 09:13:33 AM »
Right. Possibly. But at some point you have to decide if this would be per patch or global.

Valid arguments for both. I have a preference.

This came up in P10 voice limit discussions. Per patch or global? Pym noted valid args for both.

Doesn't the Prophet have a few unused global settings slots? Maybe the behavior could be selectable that way.

Re: Feature Request Prophet-5 vintage knob function in P6/OB6
« Reply #27 on: November 09, 2020, 01:28:29 AM »
++ for OB-6 as well.

Behringer UB-Xa is out soon, so the vintage knob will be a great USP.

Re: Feature Request Prophet-5 vintage knob function in P6/OB6
« Reply #28 on: November 18, 2020, 08:36:34 AM »
That would be amazing! Ready to pay for this. I think the most clever way to make it would be to give option to select between the SLOP and the Vintage Knob. So all the presets using the slop would be kept as is...  And... what about a P6 REV 2 with Vintage knob, 5 octaves, bigger knobs and filter selection between P5 (rev 1-2, rev3) and P6! I still dream! :)

Re: Feature Request Prophet-5 vintage knob function in P6/OB6
« Reply #29 on: November 18, 2020, 08:38:19 AM »
Check this out! Jonathan used VCO 2 to emulate the vintage knob behavior... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhvjXPwjWkM&ab_channel=JonathanRoberts

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Re: Feature Request Prophet-5 vintage knob function in P6/OB6
« Reply #30 on: November 18, 2020, 10:22:57 AM »
+1! the vintage knob on the prophet 5/10 is MAGICAL!
Please make the p6 an ob6 even more better!
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Re: Feature Request Prophet-5 vintage knob function in P6/OB6
« Reply #31 on: November 18, 2020, 10:46:52 AM »
Yeah this is what we thought about as the easiest way to integrate it but the problem is it changes a TON of stuff in the background and having it all blend right would require a great deal more code

This is why it's taking a while to determine , designing the integration isn't easy.

Since having the slop @ 50% and above induces sea sickness, it would be nice if any future upgrade (however unlikely) used the last 64 steps of the Slop knob for Vintage.

That way, existing presets could still use slop at 0%-50% and be thresholded at 50%. Only those presets with extreme Slop would be less... sloppy.

Then if you turn the slop knob to 51%, we'll you're 1% into the vintage realm.

Or, to make it less discontinuous, value of 50% to 100% of the Slop knob are actually 50% to 0% Vintage (reverse direction)

That way crossing over from 50% slop to 50% vintage is a bit smoother. The algorithm would be discontinuous, but the resulting effect would be equally as deep - just derived from a different vector.

That creates a gradient of the slop knob like this:

clean -> mild slop -> pretty sloppy -> very sloppy -> very vintage -> pretty vintage -> mild vintage -> barely vintage

Almost like a PWN knob for slop/vintage!

That would be killer. I would pay for an upgrade to that. And it makes it easier for people to choose to try the new firmware because they'd feel like it was the "best of both worlds"

I think this is a good idea, if it's possible to change the behavior of the "slop" knob. But i think we need a function switch between "slop" and "vintage". Otherwise all presets with "slop" will not sound correct.
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Re: Feature Request Prophet-5 vintage knob function in P6/OB6
« Reply #32 on: November 19, 2020, 07:33:34 AM »
Yeah this is what we thought about as the easiest way to integrate it but the problem is it changes a TON of stuff in the background and having it all blend right would require a great deal more code

This is why it's taking a while to determine , designing the integration isn't easy.

Since having the slop @ 50% and above induces sea sickness, it would be nice if any future upgrade (however unlikely) used the last 64 steps of the Slop knob for Vintage.

That way, existing presets could still use slop at 0%-50% and be thresholded at 50%. Only those presets with extreme Slop would be less... sloppy.

Then if you turn the slop knob to 51%, we'll you're 1% into the vintage realm.

Or, to make it less discontinuous, value of 50% to 100% of the Slop knob are actually 50% to 0% Vintage (reverse direction)

That way crossing over from 50% slop to 50% vintage is a bit smoother. The algorithm would be discontinuous, but the resulting effect would be equally as deep - just derived from a different vector.

That creates a gradient of the slop knob like this:

clean -> mild slop -> pretty sloppy -> very sloppy -> very vintage -> pretty vintage -> mild vintage -> barely vintage

Almost like a PWN knob for slop/vintage!

That would be killer. I would pay for an upgrade to that. And it makes it easier for people to choose to try the new firmware because they'd feel like it was the "best of both worlds"

I think this is a good idea, if it's possible to change the behavior of the "slop" knob. But i think we need a function switch between "slop" and "vintage". Otherwise all presets with "slop" will not sound correct.

Implementing new features in a way that's guaranteed to retain backward compatibility with all existing created content can be very challenging..  I'd imagine doing this in a way that doesn't risk breaking existing sound banks could be no small order!
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Re: Feature Request Prophet-5 vintage knob function in P6/OB6
« Reply #33 on: November 21, 2020, 05:33:50 AM »
Check this out! Jonathan used VCO 2 to emulate the vintage knob behavior... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhvjXPwjWkM&ab_channel=JonathanRoberts

Nice video, thanks. I wonder what would happen if you send the random LFO to FREQ 2 as well, combining OSC2 to filter and Random LFO to OSC2?