Converting AS-1 patches for use in Prophet 6?

[daisykutter]

Has anyone successfully converted or successfully transmitted Toraiz AS-1 patches to the Prophet-6? I can successfully transmit a patch from the Prophet 6 to the AS-1 via program dump from the P6, but cannot get it to work trying to send a patch from the AS-1 to the P6.

I would add that the Prophet 6 makes a fantastic patch editor for the AS-1!

[Enshroud]

Has anyone successfully converted or successfully transmitted Toraiz AS-1 patches to the Prophet-6? I can successfully transmit a patch from the Prophet 6 to the AS-1 via program dump from the P6, but cannot get it to work trying to send a patch from the AS-1 to the P6.

I would add that the Prophet 6 makes a fantastic patch editor for the AS-1!

Oh! Does this mean I could upload a P6 sound bank into my AS-1 with the editor?? That sound be amazing!!

[Jexus]

I'd like to know the answer too. Can Prophet-6 patches be imported into the AS-1?

[LoboLives]

I'm going to say no but if you have an AS1 and P6 editor you can try and match the patches you want.

[timboréale]

I am under the impression that you can actually literally send a sysex P6 patch to an AS-1 and it will work. I could be wrong, but I believe they use the same sysex format. That said, there might need to be some conversion (e.g. the SoundTower editor might import P6 patches and convert them to AS-1) but I seem to recall (though I can't find it now) someone (from DSI?) saying it was directly compatible, without conversion.

[Edit: There is an AS-1 forum section here. You might be better off posting there than here in the P6 section, since your question more correctly applies to the AS-1, not the P6.]

[LoboLives]

I am under the impression that you can actually literally send a sysex P6 patch to an AS-1 and it will work. I could be wrong, but I believe they use the same sysex format. That said, there might need to be some conversion (e.g. the SoundTower editor might import P6 patches and convert them to AS-1) but I seem to recall (though I can't find it now) someone (from DSI?) saying it was directly compatible, without conversion.

[Edit: There is an AS-1 forum section here. You might be better off posting there than here in the P6 section, since your question more correctly applies to the AS-1, not the P6.]

Unfortunately the Pioneer/Toriaz section of the forum is a ghost town.

[timboréale]

Unfortunately the Pioneer/Toriaz section of the forum is a ghost town.

Only because questions like this which might liven it up don't get posted there instead! 

[LPF83]

I've never tried to send a patch from one to the other, but I have recreated some patches manually (using an editor to confirm values on both synths) and doing so was a reasonably fast for each patch..  although I wasn't doing dozens or hundreds at a time.

Keep in mind FX implementation is different between the two synths, and in my tests, the AS-1 sounded a little punchier for bass sounds compared to the P6 with patch parameters being equal (I wrote about this and posted clips in this post:  https://forum.sequential.com/index.php/topic,5559.0.html). 

If anyone tries sending sysex for one to the other I'd love to hear how it goes either in this thread or the AS-1 thread.

[synthmutt]

Yes: a P6 edit buffer dump is accepted by the AS-1   NRPN must be mostly the same also - can control the AS-1 with a P6 editor. Note that poly sequence data is not included (not surprisingly).

(much like the later Tetra and Rev2 can receive the earlier Prophet 08's programs, with some differences in some sounds)

Would need a converter to send AS-1 programs to a P6 ... probably not too hard to make

[synthmutt]

I just released a Ctrlr panel for the AS-1 which also reads and converts P6 programs, and a P6 panel which reads and converts AS-1 programs. The conversion includes the sequence (though when going from P6 to AS-1, the sequence becomes monophonic).

The parameters of these two synths are nearly identical except for the effects; however, there are other small differences - the range of the HPF cutoff is different, and they seem to be scaled differently, so after conversion the value might need to be changed to get the same sound. Filter envelope amount seems a little greater for the AS-1: on one program, reducing the value from +87 to +82 made the AS-1 sound like the P6. Envelope decay and release times are a little different too - I had to increase the AS-1's values maybe 10% to sound like the P6 for several programs. The triangle sub-oscillator is a little buzzier on the P6 than the AS-1, so that affects the overall sound when that's turned up in the mixer.