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Need help to map P12 Module to a Remote SL Keyboard

Need help to map P12 Module to a Remote SL Keyboard
« on: October 03, 2019, 07:50:59 AM »
After a week with my new P12 Module I realized that I can control the P12 with my Pro2 but Iím afraid I can not use both Synths simultaneously, or is there a way?

I have a Novation Remote SL 37 MK II which I didnít used for a long time but hey, I think it can be a nice controller for the P12? So Iíve started to make a template...

I just spend over two hours to find out how to map the remote controls to the P12 but Iím not really successful. I can map them with CC but Iím not be able to map them with NRPN. The P12 will not respond. I never mapped NRPN parameters before, so Iím not an experienced user...

Iíve noticed that also the CC mapping is also not working perfectly and I donít know how I can fix it. For example:

I mapped LPF Freq (CC102) and when I turn the knob on the Remote the Display on the Remote will show a max value of 127 while the P12 shows me 164. I think there is something wrong with my settings. Also the Remote is not responding when I turn a knob at the P12, hmm, I think I miss something...

What about the NRPN controls?
In the Manual is Said that NRPN is the best way to control the P12?
According the Manual LPF Freq must set to NRPN 90 (layer a) and 602 (layer b), Value 0-164.
When I try this to setup on the Remote SL the P12 doesnít respond and I donít know why. Can anybody please help how to set this up?
Below is a photo with the setting page from the Remote SL.

Sorry for this beginner question, but after a few hours try and error, I need to ask the specialists.  8)

Thanks a lot for your feedback!

« Last Edit: October 03, 2019, 08:24:04 AM by Chandro Ji »
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Re: Need help to map P12 Module to a Remote SL Keyboard
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2019, 10:14:20 AM »
I gave up for today!
Iím a little bit frustrated because nothing will work correctly. Even with the CC I have problems...  :(
I can set the knobs behavior at the Remote SL to JUMP or PICKUP. But when I turn a knob the parameters on the P12 jumping strait to the parameters which is currently set on the Remote. It seems Jump or Pickup makes no difference. Very strange...

For the NRPN problem i found a thread at
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-and-electronic-music-production/1049662-sending-nrpn-novation-prophet-12-a.html

This whole NRPN thing seems so complicated...

 Now I would be already happy when I can control just the LPF and HPF and the filter/amp envelopes via CC.

Who can guide me to find the right settings?
Any help is welcome and appreciated! Thanks a lot!  :)

/edit
I already want the keyboard version of the P12!  8)
Or I forget all these Remote things and work exclusively with the Module menu and knobs. This would be cheaper...
« Last Edit: October 03, 2019, 10:31:53 AM by Chandro Ji »
DSI Pro2, Prophet 12 and Prophet Rev2 Keyboards, Waldorf Blofeld, Elektron Analog Four, Digitone, Analog Four, Synthstrom Deluge, Roli Seaboard
iPad Pro, Auria Pro, FabFilters, Eventide Blackhole and more great music apps. :)

Re: Need help to map P12 Module to a Remote SL Keyboard
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2019, 04:32:47 AM »
New day, new try...

I have already mapped most of the P12 parameters on the Remote SL via CCs. This works almost fine but a few things wonít work correctly.

1.
All parameters except switches have a range from 0-127. But the LP Filter Freq goes up to 164 on the P12 Display. The Remote can not displaying this so I have different values on both devices.

Why the P12 goes up to 164? What can I do?

2.
The parameters still jumping when I turn a Pot or an Encoder on the Remote.

For example: The LP resonance is set to 25 on the P12 and on the Remote at 55. When I turn the attached knob on the remote one tick to right the P12 will jump to 56 instead to 26!

How can I fix these parameter jumps ?

3.
Iíve expected that the P12 will transmit the parameter values to the Remote so both displays would be synchronised. Do you have any tips to make it work?

Thanks a lot for your help!  :)
DSI Pro2, Prophet 12 and Prophet Rev2 Keyboards, Waldorf Blofeld, Elektron Analog Four, Digitone, Analog Four, Synthstrom Deluge, Roli Seaboard
iPad Pro, Auria Pro, FabFilters, Eventide Blackhole and more great music apps. :)

Re: Need help to map P12 Module to a Remote SL Keyboard
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2019, 12:21:02 PM »
Ok!

I found the answer for my 2. and 3. questions/problems!

It seems that these things only work in conjunction with a computer. A software called Automap is needed to get a feedback from the P12m to the Remote.

So just the first question is unanswered and I have no idea to fix this little problem.  8)
DSI Pro2, Prophet 12 and Prophet Rev2 Keyboards, Waldorf Blofeld, Elektron Analog Four, Digitone, Analog Four, Synthstrom Deluge, Roli Seaboard
iPad Pro, Auria Pro, FabFilters, Eventide Blackhole and more great music apps. :)

Re: Need help to map P12 Module to a Remote SL Keyboard
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2019, 03:01:19 AM »
 Hey Chandro,
 Sorry I'm only getting to you now.
 My suggestion would be to use the soundtower editor as an in-between communicator. Obviously, this will only work if you use a computer while working with your P12, but it definitely simplifies the SLMK2 mapping; you can just use CCs.

 Hope this help, and goodluck!


Re: Need help to map P12 Module to a Remote SL Keyboard
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2019, 01:39:22 PM »
Also fyi-
http://beta.novationmusic.com/releases/sl_mkii/

This reads that the SL-MK 2 can do NPRN ? I tried out the editor, is that a new function? I am currently looking for a new controller for the P12
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