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Need honest opinion on prophet x by users

Need honest opinion on prophet x by users
« on: June 11, 2019, 11:21:23 PM »
Hello guys and gals, I am almost ready to pull the trigger for a prophet x or xl.
I love the idea of having all those deep samples for creating cinematic atmosphere and weird soundscape.

But it's a huge investment even after having sold all my other gears a part for my Kronos.

All the demo on YouTube are not really inspiring and I have no change to try it in person, so please let have your thought about.
Pro, cons, any issues or highlights you have experienced...
Thanks

Re: Need honest opinion on prophet x by users
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2019, 04:10:33 AM »
It was a huge game changer for me personally. I use it all the time as a composer and just writing songs. Itís put me off of workstation type synths where you would spend more time programming rather than recording. I donít use my FA08, Kronos and Kurzweil anymore because the PX is just so instantaneous. The pros certainly outweigh the cons for me.

I think for me the only thing I wish the PX had was multitimbrality and the ability to have each oscillator be independently programmed and sequenced like on the Poly Evolver except on each layer. Now that starts to veer too much into ďworkstationĒ territory but still would be nice to have a drum sequence and bass sequence be independent of each other as opposed to following the same notes at the same time.

I know Iíve said that I wanted to avoid redundancy in my setup and that I had my eye on the new Kurzweil PC4 but the more I think about it thr more I think that a PXL AND PX would both look great together in my setup. Thatís how much I love this synth.
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Re: Need honest opinion on prophet x by users
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2019, 08:21:56 AM »
thank you very much !! great feedback

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Re: Need honest opinion on prophet x by users
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2019, 08:41:21 AM »
Tim Shoebridge on YouTube has started putting some videos together about the Prophet X, it might be worth keeping and eye on his channel for future videos :)
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Re: Need honest opinion on prophet x by users
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2019, 09:19:14 AM »
Iím a huge fan of what Sequential has done with the Prophet X.  Turning samples into fodder for synthesis with the immediacy of a classic knobby, subtractive synthesizer?  Brilliantly done.

I just wouldnít think of it as a replacement for a classic sampler or workstation, nor really for a traditional analog synth.  As a hybrid itís a wonderful complement to more established instrument categories and IMHO it should be approached as such.

Re: Need honest opinion on prophet x by users
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2019, 03:40:36 AM »
Tim Shoebridge on YouTube has started putting some videos together about the Prophet X, it might be worth keeping and eye on his channel for future videos :)

thanks for the hints, i have watched all of them. I have to say are the better seen so far on yt about the px

Re: Need honest opinion on prophet x by users
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2019, 03:43:47 AM »
Iím a huge fan of what Sequential has done with the Prophet X.  Turning samples into fodder for synthesis with the immediacy of a classic knobby, subtractive synthesizer?  Brilliantly done.

I just wouldnít think of it as a replacement for a classic sampler or workstation, nor really for a traditional analog synth.  As a hybrid itís a wonderful complement to more established instrument categories and IMHO it should be approached as such.

thanks.
interesting wiew. not having tried it in person, my main concern are related to the digital oscillator, are they really usefull ? Do you find ant good use blending sample oscillator and synth oscillator ?
and regarding the sample oscillator, is the raw material so good and fresh to stay inspiring for years or will become "old" quickly has happened to other "rompler" (of course i know the Px is much much more the a traditional rompler/workstation).
thx

Re: Need honest opinion on prophet x by users
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2019, 03:55:03 AM »
Iím a huge fan of what Sequential has done with the Prophet X.  Turning samples into fodder for synthesis with the immediacy of a classic knobby, subtractive synthesizer?  Brilliantly done.

I just wouldnít think of it as a replacement for a classic sampler or workstation, nor really for a traditional analog synth.  As a hybrid itís a wonderful complement to more established instrument categories and IMHO it should be approached as such.

thanks.
interesting wiew. not having tried it in person, my main concern are related to the digital oscillator, are they really usefull ? Do you find ant good use blending sample oscillator and synth oscillator ?
and regarding the sample oscillator, is the raw material so good and fresh to stay inspiring for years or will become "old" quickly has happened to other "rompler" (of course i know the Px is much much more the a traditional rompler/workstation).
thx

For what itís worth Iíve scored about 3 films with the Prophet X and have done lots of different types of music with it. Feel free to browse my SoundCloud to hear some examples https://soundcloud.com/user-523209234-123574856

As far as the oscillTors I would say they are there to help support the samples rather than be the main focus. Thatís just me though.
Prophet 6, Prophet X, Moog Sub 37, Tempest Drum Computer, Roland V Piano, Fender American Stratocaster, Roger Linn Adrenalinn iii, Origin Effects Cali76 and SlideRig compressor, ASUS Zenbook Pro Computer, Soundcraft MTK 22 Mixer, Mark Of The Unicorn Digital Performer 10 Software.

Re: Need honest opinion on prophet x by users
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2019, 06:41:57 AM »

For what itís worth Iíve scored about 3 films with the Prophet X and have done lots of different types of music with it. Feel free to browse my SoundCloud to hear some examples https://soundcloud.com/user-523209234-123574856

As far as the oscillTors I would say they are there to help support the samples rather than be the main focus. Thatís just me though.

great sounds, yes, that's how i would like to use the Px

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Re: Need honest opinion on prophet x by users
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2019, 06:52:36 AM »
Iím a huge fan of what Sequential has done with the Prophet X.  Turning samples into fodder for synthesis with the immediacy of a classic knobby, subtractive synthesizer?  Brilliantly done.

I just wouldnít think of it as a replacement for a classic sampler or workstation, nor really for a traditional analog synth.  As a hybrid itís a wonderful complement to more established instrument categories and IMHO it should be approached as such.
thanks.
interesting wiew. not having tried it in person, my main concern are related to the digital oscillator, are they really usefull ? Do you find ant good use blending sample oscillator and synth oscillator ?
and regarding the sample oscillator, is the raw material so good and fresh to stay inspiring for years or will become "old" quickly has happened to other "rompler" (of course i know the Px is much much more the a traditional rompler/workstation).
thx
I only have the Prophet X for a few months now, but I cannot see myself ever get bored with the factory samples alone. The Atmosphere and Cinematic sections themselves have a different sample under every key and there are many instruments each in those sections. Just as an example. I have used one of the Atmosphere samples, adjusted it a semitone up (thanks Tim!) spread it over the keyboard, adjusted the start/end of the sample and the start/end of the loop section then assigned an LFO to slowly move the center of the loop ....... This created a real interesting and very musical bass patch (you can hear it on my Soundcloud, live test number 14: Live014 Ambient magic - its the bass start at the beginning and throughout the track).

I have started to install some of my own samples into the user part, 50Gbytes of space will keep me going for more than a few years. I do own an old Akai S5000 and I have attempted to create a kind of hybrid monster (S5000 through Evolver filters), but the workflow and effort killed all the fun. I only wish the P X had 128 note polyphony and ability to stack voices up to 32+ levels like the S5000  :).

Oh I almost forgot to mention the wave table samples at the beginning of the Synth section ........ Blew me completely away.

With regards to combining the digital oscillators with a sample, the sine wave adds "meat" to the patch, this works often really well (not always). I have created a patch with just the saw oscillators and added some filter drive, this (in my ears) already sounds great. Combining some of the 8Dio and (available through this forum) other synth oscillator samples with the digital oscillators (saw, super-saw and pulse) can create a massive, speaker blowing patch, wonderful.

Did I mention the stereo filters! And the left and right cutoff can be independently modulated, oh man, pure stereo heaven.
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Re: Need honest opinion on prophet x by users
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2019, 06:55:05 AM »
Check CALUTRON on Youtube
"Prophet X Custom atmospheric presets"
And "The last supper"

music is made only with Px...!!!!!!
I think you must listen this !!!!!

You can hear a different demo and different capabilities.....
« Last Edit: June 13, 2019, 06:59:02 AM by laurentluigi »

Re: Need honest opinion on prophet x by users
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2019, 09:52:06 AM »
Thanks everybody. I will check out all your suggestion

Re: Need honest opinion on prophet x by users
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2019, 10:44:22 PM »
My honest opinion is not so rosy as some have said here.  I did not get on with this keyboard at all and sold it after the lackluster sample tools were released last December.  I have since switched to the Quantum as my go to sample mangler / samples through analog filters and haven't been happier.
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Re: Need honest opinion on prophet x by users
« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2019, 10:53:37 PM »
To each their own, certainly.  There's nothing more important than finding an instrument that speaks to you.  I was put off by the limited storage and memory for samples on the Quantum as well as the mono signal path through the analog filtering section, but it certainly has its strengths as well.

You may not have been following events since you moved on, but I wound up writing an alternative sample import utility from the ground up to expose far more of what the Prophet X is capable of.  It's freely available for personal use with a feature overview, demo video showcasing how it works, and link to the site where it's available in this thread.

Re: Need honest opinion on prophet x by users
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2019, 04:54:33 PM »
It is a great sounding box.
The UI feels like a 1990's UI so .. not really happy with it.
Once I found out the core is a PC Mobo I felt that they should have spent more money on the display and a smoother UI.

Re: Need honest opinion on prophet x by users
« Reply #15 on: June 19, 2019, 11:26:10 AM »
To each their own, certainly.  There's nothing more important than finding an instrument that speaks to you.  I was put off by the limited storage and memory for samples on the Quantum as well as the mono signal path through the analog filtering section, but it certainly has its strengths as well.

You may not have been following events since you moved on, but I wound up writing an alternative sample import utility from the ground up to expose far more of what the Prophet X is capable of.  It's freely available for personal use with a feature overview, demo video showcasing how it works, and link to the site where it's available in this thread.

Thanks for that information. It is nice to know the community is supporting this well.  Sadly, it wasnít just the sample utilities that formed my final opinion.  Here are a few more.

 - You canít see the sample when editing which makes it very hard to find zero crossings
 - The sample only has a limited number of points where you can place a start/stop/loop point.  I believe 9999?  This becomes an issue if you are using a long sample as you now have far less granularity, which makes it harder to not find said zero crossings or a placement exactly where you want it.
 - In my opinion the 150GB of samples provided are limited.  I get it.  Deep sampling which means very large files, and limited choice.  That said, I find my Montage more engaging on its diversity of samples from a sample library that is only 6.7GB in size.

As mentioned above, I wasnít a fan of the UI in general.  I think it works for the Prophet 12, but not for something like this which should offer a bit more detail for sample editing.
Quantum | Montage 7 | Moog One | 14u x 104hp Eurorack | H9000 | SoundCraft GB4 24 Mixer | MixPre 10T

Re: Need honest opinion on prophet x by users
« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2019, 12:32:02 PM »
Sadly, it wasnít just the sample utilities that formed my final opinion.  Here are a few more.

 - You canít see the sample when editing which makes it very hard to find zero crossings
 - The sample only has a limited number of points where you can place a start/stop/loop point.  I believe 9999?  This becomes an issue if you are using a long sample as you now have far less granularity, which makes it harder to not find said zero crossings or a placement exactly where you want it.

The Prophet X wasnít really conceived as a sampler with the kind of detailed editing you were looking for.  The sample accurate editing generally occurs upstream, when preparing an instrument on a computer long before it reaches the keyboard.  The loops defined at this stage are communicated with single-sample precision to allow perfect loops to be imported as the ďdefaultĒ loop for each sample.

The 0-9999 range is a way of quickly overriding this, not a substitute for a full sampling experience.  Iíd like to see more flexibility in modulating loop points, myself, but with crossfading enabled you can still get musically useful results by overriding loops (and some fairly unique capabilities, like tempo-matched loop lengths.)

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- In my opinion the 150GB of samples provided are limited.  I get it.  Deep sampling which means very large files, and limited choice.  That said, I find my Montage more engaging on its diversity of samples from a sample library that is only 6.7GB in size.

The factory samples can be hit-and-miss.  Their strengths are in providing the complete natural decay for instruments that donít sustain indefinitely, and in astonishing stereo imaging in many cases due to the flagrant disregard for the space required.  Some of the variety isnít readily apparent because they itís hidden in the sample-per-key categories like sound effects and ambient environments.  I could definitely have done with less of the near/far micíed alternatives but I havenít had trouble finding interesting content to work with, especially when user samples can round out gaps.

I completely understand not gelling with an instrument or the user interface.  Iíve passed on any number of instruments others find compelling, too.

Re: Need honest opinion on prophet x by users
« Reply #17 on: June 19, 2019, 08:03:19 PM »
I think the Prophet X's approach is less about the samples themselves but more so how you use them and manipulate them. That being said, I think the onboard samples are fantastic sounding. There's some really unique stuff in there that you wouldn't usually find in a hardware synth. The Ambience category alone could be a goldmine for Wavestation type sounds.

 
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Re: Need honest opinion on prophet x by users
« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2019, 01:18:17 AM »
I'd agreeóbut using your own samples is possible and should be made easier to do. That way you can produce some truly personal sounds.

The PX is the best sounding synthesiser I have and the filter, though different, is easily as good as that in my revered Prophet 5 Rev 2.

It's probably not the most sophisticated sample mangler but, tbh, if I was going seriously get into that I'd do it in software as it's easier on a screenó then drop the results into the X.

I'm hoping an update allows you to do granular workóI would have thought that possible unless they are really pushing the processor hard already.  And sweeping through samples at different specified rates would be nice!

Stephen

Stephen

Re: Need honest opinion on prophet x by users
« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2019, 07:38:51 PM »
I'd agreeóbut using your own samples is possible and should be made easier to do. That way you can produce some truly personal sounds.

The PX is the best sounding synthesiser I have and the filter, though different, is easily as good as that in my revered Prophet 5 Rev 2.

It's probably not the most sophisticated sample mangler but, tbh, if I was going seriously get into that I'd do it in software as it's easier on a screenó then drop the results into the X.

I'm hoping an update allows you to do granular workóI would have thought that possible unless they are really pushing the processor hard already.  And sweeping through samples at different specified rates would be nice!

Stephen

Stephen

Some of what you said is why I now have a Quantum.  I don't want to use a computer for sample mangling and/or processing.  I want an in-between product that has just enough to get in there and get accurate results without all the minutia a software program could provide.  And, the Quantum does granular!!  Very well in fact.

I don't see the issue with having "only" 2.6GB of sample space in the Quantum when the size of the samples we typically work with in a project won't come near to fill that.  Understand that I deleted all the factory content of the Quantum which gives me that much space to work with.

I did like the sound of the Prophet X, but ultimately I was constrained by its design to do what I wanted with the samples.
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