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"Realms of Fantasy" Soundbank for the Prophet REV2 has been released!

Razmo

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Re: "Realms of Fantasy" Soundbank for the Prophet REV2 has been released!
« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2019, 02:38:04 PM »
Maybe the use of the 5 pins DIN over USB would garantee you have the right speed in all cases?

Nope not at all... even that in some cases need a delay... it depend on the speed of the receiving device and what it needs to do... in cases like the REV2 that needs to receive one program at a time, process it and then wait for it to be stored into flash memory, you would need a certain amount of delay before you send the next program...

In the REV2's case, I measured that delay to be 32ms... I measured this by looking at a MIDI monitor that show timestamps on incomming SysEx messages... that way i could see exactly how big the delay time was between programs send by the REV2 (via global mode)... that delay has to be correct, otherwise you'd have a problem when you connect two REV2's together via MIDI DIN and send the bank from one to the other.

this delay works with my editor... no problems moving programs about between all banks and memory locations... even whole banks copied from one to the other.

Another thing is that with windows MIDI drivers (which is used by the USB connection! Sequential do not provide custom MIDI drivers for their synths!), you have faulty drivers... any MIDI message more than 1024 bytes in length will give errors according to the bug reports I've read... USB MIDI on Windows have had this problem for ages now, and MS do not fix it for some obscure reason.... so any device that use the class compliant drivers of Windows are subject to this... with normal MIDI messages only being a few bytes in length at a time, it's no problem... but if you send a SysEx dump greater than 1024 bytes, you could be in for trouble.... this is the case with REV2's USB MIDI connection.

So the most safe solution is to connect it with a MIDI DIN interface, and that be an interface that has working custom drivers so it does not use the Windows drivers.... for SysEx dumps at least... that include OS updates via MIDI.

Re: "Realms of Fantasy" Soundbank for the Prophet REV2 has been released!
« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2019, 04:03:20 AM »
Is the issue on sending or receiving? I would think the second. There is a buffer to receive data and somehow swallow it in the system if the data is received quicker than the device capability to handle it chances are we will face major issues. The midi DIN is operating at 31250 bauds and with 10 bits protocol we can transfer 3125 bytes/s hence it takes a bit less than 328ms to transfer 1kB. Compared to the 32ms you mentioned this is ample time for the system to swallow the data.
With USB I donít know how midi is emulated but for sure the information goes light speed compared to the vintage midi protocol.
Note that I donít have a particular knowledge on this topic, just sharing thoughts. Sequential is not very keen on sharing information.
« Last Edit: January 17, 2019, 04:11:29 AM by Tugdual »

Razmo

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Re: "Realms of Fantasy" Soundbank for the Prophet REV2 has been released!
« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2019, 09:58:09 AM »
Is the issue on sending or receiving? I would think the second. There is a buffer to receive data and somehow swallow it in the system if the data is received quicker than the device capability to handle it chances are we will face major issues. The midi DIN is operating at 31250 bauds and with 10 bits protocol we can transfer 3125 bytes/s hence it takes a bit less than 328ms to transfer 1kB. Compared to the 32ms you mentioned this is ample time for the system to swallow the data.
With USB I donít know how midi is emulated but for sure the information goes light speed compared to the vintage midi protocol.
Note that I donít have a particular knowledge on this topic, just sharing thoughts. Sequential is not very keen on sharing information.

Depends on how it receive the data... If it need to receive it all first before being able to process and store it, you would still need the delay... The data is packed for example

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Re: "Realms of Fantasy" Soundbank for the Prophet REV2 has been released!
« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2019, 04:38:16 AM »
An additional note to my soundbank:

I initially thought that a document describing the modulation controls would be appropriate, but after giving it a more clear thought, it really serves no purpose because the controls like Foot Pedal and Mod Wheel are used in so many varied ways in the same program, and in many cases for more than just one parameter... It is really hard to describe what each do, and what they modulate in a program... and also in stacked programs, they may modulate one thing on one layer, and another in the other layer.

The best way to find out is simply by experimenting with the controllers, and listen to what they do... there are some common guidelines though that I will explain in detail here:

Pitch Wheel:
On almost all programs, pitch wheel will control pitch, and nothing else... there are a few programs that use it to pan the sound left and right instead, but they are very few.

Aftertouch:
In ALL cases where aftertouch is allocated to anything, it's vibrato. I find no other real use for aftertouch, and that is why.

Velocity:
May be used in many different ways, too many to explain separately. adjusting volume, filter EG amounts, envelope attack rates etc... you can hear clearly what velocity does to a sound simply by playing.

Mod Wheel:
Many varied uses, but in most cases this control is used for static changes to a sound... you set it once, and leave it at that... This is because realtime modulation is left for the Foot Pedal as Mod Wheel requires a free hand which is not convenient while playing with both hands.

Foot Pedal:
Probably the most important control of them all. It allow you to change a sound while you play with both hands at the same time for a lot more expressive possibilities. It will control just about everything imaginable... try it out to find out. Getting a Foot Pedal is heavily recommended for use with this soundbank... you can though, use an external controller knob/slider or a DAW automation to do the same thing... all they have to do is send CC#04 (foot pedal) to the REV2 (and make sure your foot pedal is also set up for CC#04 in the global menu).

That is about it... there is a few things worth noticing about some of the programs though:

A few programs will have the Foot Pedal assigned to VCA Level... this will increase the volume on ALL voices at the same time, resulting in a 16 voice drone... thus the 8/16 last notes you have played will start sounding all together at once... this means that these programs can be made to sound radically different, depending on what you played BEFORE you increase the VCA with the Foot Pedal... two programs that uses this to a great effect is "Desert Storm" and "Wet Caves".

With Wet Caves, try to hold a few high keys down... they will sound... try pressing more high keys until you have run thru at least 16 keypresses, and then move the Foot Pedal up... the water sound will now sound high pitched with clear droplets... now with the Foot Pedal still pressed, press some keys in the lower range, and notice how those get mixed in... this way you can design your own density of the water dripping... the same is tru for the program "Desert Storm"... press 16 times on keys in the upper range, and you get i typical wind howl... add a few lower to get some deep whistling tones in... again you can tailor your own special wind sound this way. "Desert Storm" is also completely silent, until you move the Foot Pedal... Wet Caves let's you play the water sound by pressing the keys as well.

A few other presets also raise the VCA amount via Foot Pedal... this is to give you the option to start a drone with the sound whenever you want... "Dreamscape" is such a program.

Other than this, there is not much more to it... just remember that the Foot Pedal is what makes the sounds come alive... make them evolve as you play along on the keys... this is critical to getting the same moving textures as are in all of my previous demos of the sounds.

On some presets, the Mod Wheel is not allocated to anything... feel free to add something yourself if you like. It may seem odd that i did not program anything there, but there are several reasons for that... the most common is that I found no parameter to modulate with it that gave me anything useable, or in other cases it is because there simply are not modulation slots enough left to do it... also on some programs, Mod Wheel and Foot Pedal does the exact same thing... one thing to notice about that though is, that this lets you increase the modulation by using both controls, which in some cases can lead to insane sounding modulation... but that is how the Mod Matrix works if two controllers are routed to the same... they are simply added up.

If you have any special questions about the modulation controllers, just write them in this thread :)

Hope this info clears some things up.
« Last Edit: January 19, 2019, 04:45:13 AM by Razmo »

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Re: "Realms of Fantasy" Soundbank for the Prophet REV2 has been released!
« Reply #24 on: January 19, 2019, 11:35:55 AM »
OK I've waited in anticipation for this but no link to the product? I've done all the searches I'm all timed out.

Re: "Realms of Fantasy" Soundbank for the Prophet REV2 has been released!
« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2019, 11:55:32 AM »
OK I've waited in anticipation for this but no link to the product? I've done all the searches I'm all timed out.

In the first post in this topic:

If you are interested in buying the soundbank, just write me a Private Message her eon the forum, giving me your email address, and I will request a payment to you... and when the payment has been received, I'll send the bank to you via the same email address. That is as easy as it gets :)

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Re: "Realms of Fantasy" Soundbank for the Prophet REV2 has been released!
« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2019, 12:08:19 PM »
OK I've waited in anticipation for this but no link to the product? I've done all the searches I'm all timed out.

It works like in the first post of this thread :) ... i have not set up a homepage for this yet as i decided to release the bank first so people did not have to wait any longer (it's been 7 months after all)... Just write me a Private Message with your email, and I'll send you a request via PayPal :)

DiScO

Re: "Realms of Fantasy" Soundbank for the Prophet REV2 has been released!
« Reply #27 on: January 21, 2019, 04:15:44 AM »
Ok thanks Razmo

Shaw

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Re: "Realms of Fantasy" Soundbank for the Prophet REV2 has been released!
« Reply #28 on: January 21, 2019, 10:28:37 AM »
@Razmo(taz)... Do you have any sound clips of the bank online somewhere.  I've heard bits and pieces (which were all really good, by the way) over the last few months, but do you have a run through of all the sounds online somewhere (YouTube, SoundCloud, etc...)?  Would love to hear them.
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Razmo

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Re: "Realms of Fantasy" Soundbank for the Prophet REV2 has been released!
« Reply #29 on: January 21, 2019, 10:43:07 AM »
@Razmo(taz)... Do you have any sound clips of the bank online somewhere.  I've heard bits and pieces (which were all really good, by the way) over the last few months, but do you have a run through of all the sounds online somewhere (YouTube, SoundCloud, etc...)?  Would love to hear them.

No, only the ones I linked to earlier in this thread which are those from my rant thread being posted over the last 7 months... I have what you seek in the pipeline though, as I want a YouTube video up soon for this purpose... I'll link to it in this thread as soon as it has been created :)

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Re: "Realms of Fantasy" Soundbank for the Prophet REV2 has been released!
« Reply #30 on: January 21, 2019, 10:45:37 AM »
Thanks!
Prophet X  |  Prophet 12  |  OB-6
"Classical musicians go to the conservatories, rockīn roll musicians go to the garages." --- Frank Zappa

Re: "Realms of Fantasy" Soundbank for the Prophet REV2 has been released!
« Reply #31 on: February 02, 2019, 09:52:11 AM »
Greetings all,
I just wanted to congratulate Razmo on this sound bank - I finally had enough time to go through the patches and I found them inspiring, giving me all sorts of ideas and possible directions!

Razmo, thank you and I look forward to your future efforts!

Razmo

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Re: "Realms of Fantasy" Soundbank for the Prophet REV2 has been released!
« Reply #32 on: February 07, 2019, 01:03:31 PM »
As promised some time ago, I have now created a full 1:28 hour long demo of the whole bank of 128 sounds... it can be heard here:

http://razmo.ziphoid.com/Realms_of_Fantasy_Demo.mp3

I know that an hour and a half is a long time, but it's simply impossible to get all sounds in, at less time, so relax, sit down, shut off the lights, lit a candle and listen it thru :)

This also means that all the small demo's from the list earlier has been deleted now... many of those were with external reverb on, and many of the sounds changed before the release... the demo above is 100% what you get in this sound bank... it's 100% REV2 playing, I have not used ANY kind of effects on this demo, and the only processing done after recording was a full normalizing of the .wav file... even the volume differences between the instruments are as in the demo.

So... what you hear is an example of the more exotic sounds you can make with a Prophet REV2 stand alone... out of the box! ... I can say that I'm pretty happy about this bank I've done... i know I can do even better, but that will be later because right now me and REV2 do not want to rub backs for a while ;) ... soon the fruits of this hard work will enter my studio; a Novation PEAK which will get my focus for the next bank of sounds, while TEMPEST is looking envious at me from the side  ??? ...

I've also finished my homepage for future use when selling my sound banks, and you can check it out here:

https://razmo666.wixsite.com/website

I am still going to upload the demo to my homepage, so right now the demo-player on the site does not play the demo... just an old riff i did years ago ...

If a moderator reads this, I'd be happy if he/she could insert the following text into the end of this threads first post:

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Here is a 1:28 hour long demo of all the sounds... it's 100% REV2, no external processing:
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/Realms_of_Fantasy.mp3"
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thank you :)

Re: "Realms of Fantasy" Soundbank for the Prophet REV2 has been released!
« Reply #33 on: February 08, 2019, 12:42:02 PM »
Fantastic work !
I've sent you a PM.

Razmo

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Re: "Realms of Fantasy" Soundbank for the Prophet REV2 has been released!
« Reply #34 on: February 08, 2019, 02:15:09 PM »
Fantastic work !
I've sent you a PM.

Thank you for the compliment :) means a lot!