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Polyphonic Aftertouch

jconway3

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Polyphonic Aftertouch
« on: January 10, 2019, 02:55:50 PM »
Do you guys know of a controller keyboard that has polyphonic aftertouch and secondly does the OB6 respond to polyphonic aftertouch

Re: Polyphonic Aftertouch
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2019, 07:50:50 PM »
Do you guys know of a controller keyboard that has polyphonic aftertouch and secondly does the OB6 respond to polyphonic aftertouch

It does respond to it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZwyutReyR4

For a controller, there's not a lot out there. There are the MPE controllers, which aren't the same thing, like the Roli and the Linnstrument, but for regular polyphonic aftertouch, the most affordable thing I've found is a 90s era Ensoniq synth like the VFX. You can pick those up for $200-400 and get 61 notes. The SQ-80 has it, but it is really clacky and prone to failure.

You can try for a Kurzweil Midiboard, but they're kind of rare and super heavy. And I think the Roland A-80 has it.

If I had no monetary or space considerations, I'd get a Sequential Circuits T-8. That's been one of the best feeling keyboards ever and the poly aftertouch made it come alive.
Prophet 12, Modal 002, MFB Dominion 1, Behringer DeepMind 12D, Korg Polysix & EX-8000, Roland JX-8P, Ensoniq SQ-80, Kawai K3m and now an OB-6!

jconway3

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Re: Polyphonic Aftertouch
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2019, 09:55:22 PM »
Thank very much for your brilliant reply. I did see a Roland A80 for sale recently on eBay. Iíll keep an eye out for the other suggestions. A T8 would be incredible but I fear unlikely 😁
Perhaps Sequential could team up with their keybed supplier who I think is Fatar, and put out a 76/88 Sequential branded model. I realise again unlikely but it would also satisfy the people who would prefer more than 49 note on the P6 and OB6.
Just an idea 💡
Thanks again

Re: Polyphonic Aftertouch
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2019, 08:26:34 AM »
Unfortunately I think Fatar doesn't have any poly-aftertouch keybeds (or at least that's what I've seen claimed on other boards when this topic has come up). My guess is people who want that will end up getting an MPE controller in future, now that it's a standard. That takes a bit of technique adjustment to play, though.
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Re: Polyphonic Aftertouch
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2019, 11:48:20 PM »
There's the ELKA MK88, and ELKA MK55 Master Keyboards. They can occasionally be found second hand. They don't have any controls to speak of, so if pots and faders are a must then you can disregard them.

There's also some of the old Ensoniq synth/samplers that can be found pretty cheap that actually have polyphonic aftertouch. SQ-80 and VFX are two that come to mind. But again if controls are important they may not be the way to go.

jconway3

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Re: Polyphonic Aftertouch
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2019, 06:53:18 AM »
Thanks Iíll get an eye out for those. I donít need anything more than a keyboard as Iíve got a few other controllers for more general use. I just though it would be nice to try polyphonic aftertouch. Itís so effective on instruments like the Yamaha CS80

Re: Polyphonic Aftertouch
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2019, 01:49:54 AM »
Many Ensoniq synthesizers have poly-aftertouch. They can often be bought cheaply (used), and the synths sound pretty cool too. Poly pressure came standard on the SQ-80, EPS/EPS16+, VFX/VFX-SD, SD1, TS-10, probably others.

Don't buy one without trying it first. These are older keyboards. The pressure sensitivity might need adjustment, and the SQ-80 is known for developing an annoyingly clacky keyboard due to hardening of little internal rubber bushings.

Re: Polyphonic Aftertouch
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2019, 06:36:06 PM »
Has anyone tried controlling the OB-6 with a Roli Rise (Seaboard)?
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Re: Polyphonic Aftertouch
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2019, 06:58:58 PM »
Iím shocked more synth companies donít have ribbon controllers anymore. I figured an MPE supported ribbon controller above the keyboard would give a nice combination of playing styles. Chords on the keyboard with the left hand while the lead is played with the ribbon controller.
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Re: Polyphonic Aftertouch
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2019, 09:51:12 PM »


It does respond to it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZwyutReyR4

For a controller, ... the most affordable thing I've found is a 90s era Ensoniq synth like the VFX. You can pick those up for $200-400 and get 61 notes. The SQ-80 has it, but it is really clacky and prone to failure.

If I had no monetary or space considerations, I'd get a Sequential Circuits T-8. That's been one of the best feeling keyboards ever and the poly aftertouch made it come alive.

Great advice, and great video. I'm pretty sure though, that, although Sequential's T8 does have an amazing keyboard, and its Polyphonic Aftertouch is glorious when it plays itself....the MIDI OUT situation is different:
  -- in its MIDI OUT signal, the Aftertouch is converted to CHANNEL Aftertouch. I'll check on mine tomorrow, and report back if this is not the case.
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Re: Polyphonic Aftertouch
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2019, 12:41:37 PM »
Poly aftertouch is possible on the Vermona MK2 but the parameter of filter is all that can be controlled. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JRs0pcL5ms&feature=youtu.be
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Re: Polyphonic Aftertouch
« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2019, 04:41:24 PM »
Has anyone tried controlling the OB-6 with a Roli Rise (Seaboard)?

While I find the Roli Rise to be interesting, sexy, looks like fun with huge performance potential, most of their capabilities are only realized with software synths, but part of the compelling value equation is the mobility, which means that now you haul a laptop rather than a synth? (as I say this, I'm starting to think maybe that's not too crazy???)

However, for my immediate messing around, if I want to play around with poly-AT, seems like the most reasonable, but probably satisfying solution would be the CME Xkeys 37. The Rise 25 has small keys, $800 with no relief/discount in sight, and you can get the wired CME with 37 full-size keys for $179 ($299 if you want bluetooth). I'm close to just getting one...I can use it with soft-synths on a laptop...right?? (...no....wait...)

If I were going to spend more money it would probably be for a Keith Mcmillen K-board PRO. Has anybody tried one?
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Re: Polyphonic Aftertouch
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2019, 07:40:10 PM »
If I were going to spend more money it would probably be for a Keith Mcmillen K-board PRO. Has anybody tried one?
I also have a first impressions video on the K-Board Pro 4 here.
https://youtu.be/8Wx67xraKBw
(Sorry about the poor sound balance)

I didn't address aftertouch in my own video but as we've seen from KMI's own videos, it appears to be working:
https://youtu.be/I54AXHBdjHQ

I would expect the "stuck" note problem to be a regular problem with the Pro 4 that will plague it for months to come. Otherwise it's almost perfect. I would suggest downloading and installing the K-Board Pro 4 Editor and poking around with it before purchasing the actual keyboard. The keyboard isn't require to run the editor.
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