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Re: Moog One
« Reply #140 on: December 15, 2018, 11:04:58 PM »
Yes, I prefer assembly for sound design.
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Re: Moog One
« Reply #141 on: December 16, 2018, 03:52:07 PM »
My favorite computer joke:

There are 2 hard problems in computers:
1) naming things
2) caching things
3) off by one errors

Its a favorite of mine too. Seen it served as "there are two hard problems in computer science".

Would be lovely if the Moog One voice architecture will be available as a smaller more affordable lower voice count module in the future. Its a pretty neat voice architecture.
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Re: Moog One
« Reply #142 on: December 17, 2018, 12:00:00 AM »
I think more people are interested in the fact this is pretty much a powerful computer built into an analog synth rather than the sound of the synth itself. Do we really need endless memory for patches? Do we really need endless modulation possibilities? I know I'm in the minority here but honestly if I wanted to have a screen that big and have the ability to organize sounds and see every single parameter...isn't that what a software editor is for? Yeah it's nice to have it all built in but is it really a necessity? Seems like it's more just a distraction to focus on rather than listening to the sounds of the synth. It seems to be everyone's focus. In almost all those live streams that Moog does there's probably less than 10% of the video with actual sound demonstration while the rest is talking about the screen and menus and how powerful the synth is. I don't care about that.  I want to hear and judge for myself. Even the demo at Vintage King Audio was kind of "meh".

I would agree with you Lobo about the screen if Moog sacrificed physical controls to add the screen.  I had the opportunity to see the One in person and it simply has the best designed user interface Iíve ever seen on a synthesizer.  You only need to go to that screen when you want to refine something.  The physical controls are primary and there is no deep menu diving when you get to those screens.  Like the Rev2 you can quickly assign modulation assignments by hitting one button and turning a knob.  Each of the synth sections have a more button if you want to dive deeper.

I am not under the illusion that the One will replace my other analog synths. My Rev2 and P12m arenít going anywhere as I love them for what they are but Moog deserves a lot of credit for the UI and deep features.  One of the features revealed during the live streams was the voice allocation.  You can reserve a voice count for each of the 3 synths if you want to guarantee a specific number of voices (a feature I would have loved on my Rev2 to allocate 1 voice to one layer for bass or lead leaving 15 for other layer) But you can also define how to do voice steeling independly in each instance.  You can select steal oldest voice, newest voice, or quietest voice.  The envelopes are not only DAHDSR but each segment can be linear, exponential, or logarithmic. They can also be looping essentially becoming additional LFOs if desired.  Speaking of LFOs the 4 LFOs can be per voice or configured to be global.  The LFOs have the standard shapes but can also morph between shapes.

There are many little things that I find missing in other synths that they thought to include in the One.  Yes it is expensive but it doesnít seem they left much out so it truly is a flagship. 

As for the demos Moog only formally launched the One last Monday.  It was obvious from the sound design live stream that they are still finalizing the presets.  I think they chose to concentrate last week on the internals. Unlike the Quantum that had a long time between the formal announcement and even the optimistic ship date, the One will go from pre-launch to being in the hands of users in under a month.  I would expect the floodgates to open late next week with all kinds of demos.  I wouldnít be surprised if Moog has some more musical demos themselves this week.  It is obvious that they are looking at the forums and see people asking to hear different types of demos.

I for one am thrilled to see the likes of the Quantum, Prophet X, and One after a long drought of flagship synthesizers.

Well all Iím saying is I hope Sequential doesnít start putting large screens on their synths. I honestly think itís totally unceassary, especially with external editors.

Well... would that not require that DSI start to get their asses up, and start creating editors for their synths like MOOG does it then? ... It's still incredible, that the company who created MIDI, and has some of the most advanced engines still do not produce a single editor for their large expensive synths.
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Re: Moog One
« Reply #143 on: December 17, 2018, 02:39:54 AM »
I think more people are interested in the fact this is pretty much a powerful computer built into an analog synth rather than the sound of the synth itself. Do we really need endless memory for patches? Do we really need endless modulation possibilities? I know I'm in the minority here but honestly if I wanted to have a screen that big and have the ability to organize sounds and see every single parameter...isn't that what a software editor is for? Yeah it's nice to have it all built in but is it really a necessity? Seems like it's more just a distraction to focus on rather than listening to the sounds of the synth. It seems to be everyone's focus. In almost all those live streams that Moog does there's probably less than 10% of the video with actual sound demonstration while the rest is talking about the screen and menus and how powerful the synth is. I don't care about that.  I want to hear and judge for myself. Even the demo at Vintage King Audio was kind of "meh".

I would agree with you Lobo about the screen if Moog sacrificed physical controls to add the screen.  I had the opportunity to see the One in person and it simply has the best designed user interface Iíve ever seen on a synthesizer.  You only need to go to that screen when you want to refine something.  The physical controls are primary and there is no deep menu diving when you get to those screens.  Like the Rev2 you can quickly assign modulation assignments by hitting one button and turning a knob.  Each of the synth sections have a more button if you want to dive deeper.

I am not under the illusion that the One will replace my other analog synths. My Rev2 and P12m arenít going anywhere as I love them for what they are but Moog deserves a lot of credit for the UI and deep features.  One of the features revealed during the live streams was the voice allocation.  You can reserve a voice count for each of the 3 synths if you want to guarantee a specific number of voices (a feature I would have loved on my Rev2 to allocate 1 voice to one layer for bass or lead leaving 15 for other layer) But you can also define how to do voice steeling independly in each instance.  You can select steal oldest voice, newest voice, or quietest voice.  The envelopes are not only DAHDSR but each segment can be linear, exponential, or logarithmic. They can also be looping essentially becoming additional LFOs if desired.  Speaking of LFOs the 4 LFOs can be per voice or configured to be global.  The LFOs have the standard shapes but can also morph between shapes.

There are many little things that I find missing in other synths that they thought to include in the One.  Yes it is expensive but it doesnít seem they left much out so it truly is a flagship. 

As for the demos Moog only formally launched the One last Monday.  It was obvious from the sound design live stream that they are still finalizing the presets.  I think they chose to concentrate last week on the internals. Unlike the Quantum that had a long time between the formal announcement and even the optimistic ship date, the One will go from pre-launch to being in the hands of users in under a month.  I would expect the floodgates to open late next week with all kinds of demos.  I wouldnít be surprised if Moog has some more musical demos themselves this week.  It is obvious that they are looking at the forums and see people asking to hear different types of demos.

I for one am thrilled to see the likes of the Quantum, Prophet X, and One after a long drought of flagship synthesizers.

Well all Iím saying is I hope Sequential doesnít start putting large screens on their synths. I honestly think itís totally unceassary, especially with external editors.

Well... would that not require that DSI start to get their asses up, and start creating editors for their synths like MOOG does it then? ... It's still incredible, that the company who created MIDI, and has some of the most advanced engines still do not produce a single editor for their large expensive synths.

It is quite bizarre that there are no in-house editors for DSI/Sequential synths. Having said that, personally, I donít like having to use a PC and external equipment to manage patches. The fact that all this can be done on the Moog One itself is a huge plus for me. It means I can spend more time creating and less time faffing about.

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Re: Moog One
« Reply #144 on: December 17, 2018, 06:21:55 AM »
Patch management on the One is the gold standard in my opinion. It has an onboard relational database.  The fact you can create user spaces that can be saved off to the USB stick is also really slick. The user space captures all your patches and settings and can be loaded on another One without disturbing the local settings there.  It is also useful for creating separate sandboxes on your One for projects.  It will even create random names for your patches if you like.  No more memory numbers to remember. Everything is based on name, type, category, mood, and group. 

It also allows you to create performance sets so you can quickly change patches in proper order when needed.



Re: Moog One
« Reply #145 on: December 17, 2018, 03:40:53 PM »
I got to try both the Quantum and Moog One at Long and McQuade today in Toronto. I personally didn't gel with either of them. They sound good but I spent more time menu diving and less time programing. That's a no go for me. If I can't sit down at an instrument and enjoy it (and for synthesizers that means programing) within 10 minutes then I have no interest in it what so ever.  I actually ended up enjoy more of my time with the Prophet REV2.
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Re: Moog One
« Reply #146 on: December 17, 2018, 04:22:36 PM »
If I can't sit down at an instrument and enjoy it (and for synthesizers that means programing) within 10 minutes then I have no interest in it what so ever.

Wise words to any synthesizer designer: user interfaces and immediacy are extremely important.
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Re: Moog One
« Reply #147 on: December 17, 2018, 11:55:22 PM »
If I can't sit down at an instrument and enjoy it (and for synthesizers that means programing) within 10 minutes then I have no interest in it what so ever.

Wise words to any synthesizer designer: user interfaces and immediacy are extremely important.

Indeed, I was the same when I tried the Novation Peak.
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Re: Moog One
« Reply #148 on: December 20, 2018, 08:24:22 PM »
I got to try both the Quantum and Moog One at Long and McQuade today in Toronto. I personally didn't gel with either of them. They sound good but I spent more time menu diving and less time programing. That's a no go for me. If I can't sit down at an instrument and enjoy it (and for synthesizers that means programing) within 10 minutes then I have no interest in it what so ever.  I actually ended up enjoy more of my time with the Prophet REV2.
Menu diving on the Moog One???  I haven't touched one yet, but isn't it mostly "knob per function" like other Moogs?
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Re: Moog One
« Reply #149 on: December 20, 2018, 08:59:46 PM »
I got to try both the Quantum and Moog One at Long and McQuade today in Toronto. I personally didn't gel with either of them. They sound good but I spent more time menu diving and less time programing. That's a no go for me. If I can't sit down at an instrument and enjoy it (and for synthesizers that means programing) within 10 minutes then I have no interest in it what so ever.  I actually ended up enjoy more of my time with the Prophet REV2.
Menu diving on the Moog One???  I haven't touched one yet, but isn't it mostly "knob per function" like other Moogs?

It took me a while to figure out how to initialize a patch. Itís just set up really oddly. It makes you feel like there should be a search button or INIT button on the front panel...unless there is and the sales person and I missed it. Then trying to browse sounds wasnít that enjoyable. Hated almost every sound that came out of the PA. It could come down to unfamiliarity or me not knowing where to find things but I just couldnít gel with it. 

There is something else, not too important, but the main scrolling dialís silver center fell off. I felt bad for the sales person who was next to me (he looked shocked and embarrassed because we were just talking about the cost of the thing when it came off lol ) but it should be an easy fix. Still...I will have to give it another go just to be sure.
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Re: Moog One
« Reply #150 on: December 20, 2018, 10:07:34 PM »

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Re: Moog One
« Reply #151 on: December 20, 2018, 10:21:43 PM »
There is something else, not too important, but the main scrolling dialís silver center fell off. I felt bad for the sales person who was next to me (he looked shocked and embarrassed because we were just talking about the cost of the thing when it came off lol ) but it should be an easy fix. Still...I will have to give it another go just to be sure.
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Re: Moog One
« Reply #152 on: December 20, 2018, 10:22:34 PM »
They sound good

Hated almost every sound that came out of the PA.
You exemplified what I was thinking.... must have been the PA.


And to be fair, most PAs used for synth demos in music stores sound like shit.  Because they use the cheapest speakers they have generally... even to demo the $8k synth.
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Re: Moog One
« Reply #153 on: December 21, 2018, 02:48:54 AM »
I got to try both the Quantum and Moog One at Long and McQuade today in Toronto. I personally didn't gel with either of them. They sound good but I spent more time menu diving and less time programing. That's a no go for me. If I can't sit down at an instrument and enjoy it (and for synthesizers that means programing) within 10 minutes then I have no interest in it what so ever.  I actually ended up enjoy more of my time with the Prophet REV2.
Menu diving on the Moog One???  I haven't touched one yet, but isn't it mostly "knob per function" like other Moogs?

It took me a while to figure out how to initialize a patch. Itís just set up really oddly. It makes you feel like there should be a search button or INIT button on the front panel...unless there is and the sales person and I missed it. Then trying to browse sounds wasnít that enjoyable. Hated almost every sound that came out of the PA. It could come down to unfamiliarity or me not knowing where to find things but I just couldnít gel with it. 

There is something else, not too important, but the main scrolling dialís silver center fell off. I felt bad for the sales person who was next to me (he looked shocked and embarrassed because we were just talking about the cost of the thing when it came off lol ) but it should be an easy fix. Still...I will have to give it another go just to be sure.

Init patch is a two-button combination like it is on DSI synths (why the combination isnít silk screened onto the panel is a mystery though).

Re: Moog One
« Reply #154 on: December 21, 2018, 07:49:16 AM »
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Re: Moog One
« Reply #155 on: December 21, 2018, 10:10:35 PM »
Solo violin on the Moog One played through the LinnStrument is something else.
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Re: Moog One
« Reply #156 on: December 21, 2018, 10:44:02 PM »
Solo violin on the Moog One played through the LinnStrument is something else.

Iím looking forward to the update that will add MPE support to the One so the LinnStrument can really make it sing!