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OB6 vs REV2

Re: OB6 vs REV2
« Reply #40 on: January 08, 2019, 03:41:36 AM »
Around 2011, Tom Oberheim announced a four-voice SEM called "Son Of 4 Voice" also known as SO4V. It started shipping in 2014. Only a very limited number of units were actually produced and shipped, since they were all made by hand one at a time, before being discontinued soon after the DSI OB6 was announced, for which Tom has designed the voice cards (VCOs/VCF) replicating his SEM modules circuitry.

Actually, the SO4V never saw the light of the day, as there were some delaying issues with the OS of the programmer module. Tom focused on the Two Voice Pro instead, which was announced in 2012 and became available around 2015 until it was discontinued last year.

Re: OB6 vs REV2
« Reply #41 on: January 08, 2019, 05:30:07 AM »
I thought that since Sweetwater Sound still lists it on their online store as discontinued, that it did ship at some point ?
But I stand corrected. Thanks.
Minimoog D (vintage), OB6 (Desktop), Oberheim Matrix-6 (MIDI Controller), Prophet REV2-16, DeepMind 12

Re: OB6 vs REV2
« Reply #42 on: January 08, 2019, 05:39:40 AM »
I thought that since Sweetwater Sound still lists it on their online store as discontinued, that it did ship at some point ?
But I stand corrected. Thanks.

Yes, you're right. I remember Sweetwater listing it after it was announced. But only the rendering made its way out of Tom's workspace.

Re: OB6 vs REV2
« Reply #43 on: March 02, 2019, 07:21:36 AM »
I've owned (and sold and never missed) the Rev2, had a prophet 6 (also sold but that was at least great sounding in its own way) and currently have the OB-6.

The rev 2 and OB-6 exist in different universes of sound quality. There's no doubt about it. Maybe on 'some' YT vids you think you can guess? Nah, get them in, use them and see the (woeful) limits of the Rev 2s tone and weak filter, yes modulation is cool  but not if it's in place of great sound. While OB-6 won't do some of the stuff the Rev 2 could, I don't particularly need the stuff the rev 2 can do IF it doesn't sound *great* doing it.

OB6 = 10/10 on sound (and operation)
Prophet 6 = 8/10 (on best stuff - 7/10 on 50% of stuff)
Rev 2 = 5/10 (maybe 6/10 on some very specific 'sci fi' modulated sequences and layer morphs but 'meh' overall)

OB-6 isn't just the best sounding DSI synth, by far, imo it's the best sound modern analog synth of them all (inc against the Moog One which does nothing for me).

I've had tons of analog, VA and digital (from late 70s upto today), in recent times JD-XA, Sub 37, Slim Phatty, Rev 2, Prophet 6, OB-6 etc and the ONLY one of the modern ones that was good enough to remain was the OB-6. Not only does it 'make the grade' it also puts many of the old vintage synths to shame, something even the Prophet 6 couldn't do let alone the very very clinical Rev 2.
« Last Edit: March 02, 2019, 07:24:22 AM by SynthHead »

MPM

Re: OB6 vs REV2
« Reply #44 on: March 02, 2019, 03:36:58 PM »
Horses for courses.
All three work together perfectly for a 100% synth gig. But individually, it depends on the job.

If you’re the keys in a band, the synth of choice should be based on the bands genre.
I wouldn’t be wielding an OB-6 for orchestral ballads, nor would I rely solely on a Rev2 for industrial EDM...

Neither is better or worse, more or less capable than the other.
OB-6  Prophet-6  Prophet.Rev2/16... and thats just DSI

Sleep of Reason

Re: OB6 vs REV2
« Reply #45 on: March 02, 2019, 04:43:32 PM »
I've played the P6 briefly and own an OB-6/AS-1 currently. To me the P6 sounds as near perfect tonally as it gets. I'd say it's darker and a bit more smooth/beautiful; overall it's more refined. The OB-6 is brighter and has a bit more hair/character; overall it's rougher. It would be near impossible for me to pick one over the other and if I could I'd own both.

Also, it's hard to imagine being a synth head, yet the Moog One does absolutely "nothing" for you ... But I suppose that's the hip thing to say these days.
« Last Edit: March 02, 2019, 05:47:09 PM by Sleep of Reason »

Re: OB6 vs REV2
« Reply #46 on: March 13, 2019, 10:19:47 AM »
I love them both for different reasons...

I actually exchanged my OB-6 just yesterday due to a problem with a pot and damn I miss it... I'm diving as deep as I can into the Rev 2 until she arrives back in my arms... Separation anxiety with an inanimate object!

I honestly couldn't decide between them because there aren't any music stores I could test them at near me, so I ended up with the Rev 2 16 voice, OB-6 module and Novation Peak.... I think I'm close to my poly end game, but I'm not much interested in vintage equipment.

Re: OB6 vs REV2
« Reply #47 on: March 26, 2019, 08:31:41 PM »
They all sound great to me. Its all about gain staging, making the best use of each instruments strengths and using them appropriately. They are different colors in the box of crayons. I can make all of them shine.

I have a P6 on the way as well, my collection of DSI instrumentd continues to grow :)
Moog Modular Model 15,Korg Prophecy,Korg Z1,Nord Modular Keyboard,DSI OB6,DSI P12,DSI Rev 2 16voiceMoog Minimoog D,SEM Modules,Moog Slim Phattys,Alesis QS 8.1,Alesis QSR,Roland Integra 7,Genelec 8341s,8040,8030,Novation Peak,Kawai K5000R,Eurorack Modulars,etc..

Re: OB6 vs REV2
« Reply #48 on: March 26, 2019, 08:50:39 PM »
Around 2011, Tom Oberheim announced a four-voice SEM called "Son Of 4 Voice" also known as SO4V. It started shipping in 2014. Only a very limited number of units were actually produced and shipped, since they were all made by hand one at a time, before being discontinued soon after the DSI OB6 was announced, for which Tom has designed the voice cards (VCOs/VCF) replicating his SEM modules circuitry.

Actually, the SO4V never saw the light of the day, as there were some delaying issues with the OS of the programmer module. Tom focused on the Two Voice Pro instead, which was announced in 2012 and became available around 2015 until it was discontinued last year.

I ended up building my own SO4V by buying up a bunch of Sem modules, bought a small eurorack case with the appropriate parts.

Sadly the modules got discontinued though.
Moog Modular Model 15,Korg Prophecy,Korg Z1,Nord Modular Keyboard,DSI OB6,DSI P12,DSI Rev 2 16voiceMoog Minimoog D,SEM Modules,Moog Slim Phattys,Alesis QS 8.1,Alesis QSR,Roland Integra 7,Genelec 8341s,8040,8030,Novation Peak,Kawai K5000R,Eurorack Modulars,etc..

Re: OB6 vs REV2
« Reply #49 on: March 26, 2019, 08:53:21 PM »
I love them both for different reasons...

I actually exchanged my OB-6 just yesterday due to a problem with a pot and damn I miss it... I'm diving as deep as I can into the Rev 2 until she arrives back in my arms... Separation anxiety with an inanimate object!

I honestly couldn't decide between them because there aren't any music stores I could test them at near me, so I ended up with the Rev 2 16 voice, OB-6 module and Novation Peak.... I think I'm close to my poly end game, but I'm not much interested in vintage equipment.


Novation Peak is a fantastic instrument, I would love to see Dave explore FPGA based NCOs for a future instrument.
Moog Modular Model 15,Korg Prophecy,Korg Z1,Nord Modular Keyboard,DSI OB6,DSI P12,DSI Rev 2 16voiceMoog Minimoog D,SEM Modules,Moog Slim Phattys,Alesis QS 8.1,Alesis QSR,Roland Integra 7,Genelec 8341s,8040,8030,Novation Peak,Kawai K5000R,Eurorack Modulars,etc..

Re: OB6 vs REV2
« Reply #50 on: April 15, 2019, 11:01:22 PM »
Those calling me out on being too choosy or w/e that's what we do with our tastes as musicians. I for one certainly do not need a room full of only DSI gear when I have vintage stuff, esp Roland, that does everything so well. As said, modern synth wise, very little competes with that, inc Prophet 6. But OB-6 genuinely does, and it's the only decently priced modern synth that does hang with the old gear without sounding harsh/stiff.

P6 did sound constrained and locked inside it's box kinda thing, it could never bloom or have presence, was always 'small', and yeah I know all the gain staging tricks on the mixer section to not make it so harsh, but it simply doesn't 'glow' like either the old synths OR the OB-6 (which does). It's because of a number of things, firstly the VCOs in the OB-6 are looser and more organic, the mixer stage actually seems to do something other than just be a volume control (can get a bit of drive/harmonics going on) and the filter is 10x more rich and interesting harmonically than the Prophet 6.

Not so say the P6 is awful, it's probably my next favourite modern synth and may nicer than most Moog stuff they are throwing out (which has a hollow/hard sound unless you go to the Model D and poss the Grandmother but<<< y'know simple mono).

OB-6 is instantly inspirational, doesn't need any work to dial in a great sound, and most important it has PRESENCE, it sounds like it's in the room, coming out of the speakers, just like the best vintage did. P6 suffers from a very stiff sound in general and its amp stages weren't the best design imo, learned from and improved for the OB-6.

I just knew after lots of discontent and never-quite-there sound making on the P6 (and esp my ex-Rev 2 which is really bad when it comes to osc/filter tone and is only impressive via modulation and layers which is 'meh' to me if the core tone is grating in a track) that as soon as I dialed in a sound on the OB-6.. there it was! Just like a good analog synthesizer should be, rich, inspirational, present, easy to dial in without 'concern' about shaping its tone to kingdom come TRYING to make it sound good (ala P6) or knowing it will always sound like a poor/flat/weak impression of analog (Rev2). It just works.

If you guys can't accept that, then by all means carry on with your selected gear, if you can't hear/feel the difference in these units I'd suggest you'd probably better off saving the cash and just buying a VA or even a soft synth, I doubt it would matter to you. To me it's 100% vital, If I'm spending money on hardware it had better deliver on a instinctive and gut/connection level, not in the head where you keep it around because its "clever" (rev2) or because it can occasionally do some nice things (P6), for me I want it to hit me in the face how awesome it sounds each time I make a new sound on it, even if it's a subtle, delicate sound you can barely hear in the mix, I will know and that has an effect on the quality of the music you put out too.

OB-6 is better at bass, leads, pads, filter sweeps, delicate pretty sounds, atmospheres (other than very clinical cold ones which Prophets excel at and have their place) and even the distortion on the OB-6 (hidden vs the Prophet 6) sounds much nicer when applied to the core tone of the OB vs the P6. It sounds pasted on and harsh with the P6, but with the OB-6 it sounds super-organic like its wrapped in and around the sound. I made hundreds of sounds on my ex-Prophet 6 and none of them compare to even the lower end of my 'best' OB-6 patches. For what Rev2 and P6 do I don't think you need all that expense and space, but the OB-6 is like nothing else, even while reminiscent of past stuff it exists as a unique one of Sequential/Obie hybrid that has its own unique sound character and even when I owned all these synths it was still the first one and best one for most tasks in a song. Reviewing takes later in productions it would always be the OB-6 that 'won' and stayed, sometimes the Prophet 6 for its specific cool 'dull but atmospheric' sound (another thing with P6 its too brassy and squeaky/stiff until you reduce the cut off and then it just sounds full/muted... good for some things but it's not a 'fun' filter by any means.. and rev 2 is just dire there.. one tiny sweet spot the rest is like plastic)

I'm not alone in my findings of how vastly different musically these synths are and to many 'real' musicians who don't just collect synths and noodle all day, great tone is what comes first.. not features.. same with guitar recording, you don't just settle on a honkey sounding paper bag take of a cheap guitar when you can record something much richer... the OB-6 is that 'much richer' thing in the modern synth world. Nothing so far has touched it, not Modal, Not Moog, Not Korg, Not Roland and not even DSI's other offerings.

Last bonus points to OB-6 vs P6 and Rev2: It sits in the mix perfectly, very little work needed.. that's great workflow. Also it seems to make better use of the internal FX, somehow they just sound more beautiful and worthy when used with the OB-6 engine, like it was meant to be. They sound like band-aids on the Prophets but can be part of the sonic sculpture on the OB-6 without sounding cheap or stuck on!  8)
« Last Edit: April 15, 2019, 11:27:16 PM by SynthHead »

Re: OB6 vs REV2
« Reply #51 on: April 16, 2019, 10:40:35 AM »
I have both the OB6 and Prophet REV2, and can appreciate both of them even if I have a preference for the OB6 when it comes to sounds.
But, in all honesty, there is a lot that the REV2 offers that the OB6 doesn't. Mainly, better modulation capabilities (that mod matrix is great) with more LFOs, better polyphony, and even a lower price point. And that's why the REV2 is still in my keyboard stand next to the OB6. Probably until the UB-Xa comes along... ;-)
Minimoog D (vintage), OB6 (Desktop), Oberheim Matrix-6 (MIDI Controller), Prophet REV2-16, DeepMind 12

MPM

Re: OB6 vs REV2
« Reply #52 on: April 18, 2019, 07:30:03 PM »
Those calling me out on being too choosy or w/e that's what we do with our tastes as musicians....
If you guys can't accept that, then by all means carry on with your selected gear, if you can't hear/feel the difference in these units I'd suggest you'd probably better off saving the cash and just buying a VA or even a soft synth, I doubt it would matter to you. To me it's 100% vital,...

No one is attacking you. Most of us have owned a wide palette of synths and have a wide range of tastes. So you attract some response when you imply that people have inferior taste to yours. And contradicting yourself doesn't help.
« Last Edit: April 18, 2019, 07:34:49 PM by MPM »
OB-6  Prophet-6  Prophet.Rev2/16... and thats just DSI