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free book disassembling the rev2 presets

Re: free book disassembling the rev2 presets
« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2018, 02:10:30 PM »
Thanks a bunch for this! I got myself a rev2 a week ago and was really having a hard time getting into it, propably because I'm so used to my Peak. I was about to give up but then I found this and recreated 3 programs while reading the manual on every parameter I was changing. Today I created 3 totally different sounding patches (they even sounded more or less as planned)and I'm really starting to love this synth! One question: In some programs the filter env amount is set to zero without an lfo or any other source opening it up, while for example, the filter env attack is set to a value. Why is this? Does this still have some effect? Or does key amount activate the filter env? Or are these errors in your book? Thanks Again for the work you have put in this, it's been a great help!
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Re: free book disassembling the rev2 presets
« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2018, 03:23:27 PM »
One question: In some programs the filter env amount is set to zero without an lfo or any other source opening it up, while for example, the filter env attack is set to a value. Why is this? Does this still have some effect? Or does key amount activate the filter env?

I'm afraid I'm not the best person to answer the question in depth. If you start from a basic patch, then reduce the cut-off frequency until you get a somewhat muffled sound, you can turn the env amount button and hear the influence it has on the tone. By playing with the velocity knob you can make the filter open more as you play louder. Key amount is more about making the filter open more as you play higher notes. By adjusting the env amount you can regulate more the overall level. I think of the env amount as a kind of "gain" for the filter envelope if that makes any sense. By making the env amount negative, you flip the filter envelope upside down. Not claiming that my insights are 100% correct or >1% illuminating. When it comes to sound design, I'm really a total n00b. I've made the book as an aid in my quest for insight, but I've noticed I tend to prefer playing, composing and improvising over sound design, so I haven't really made enough progress in that area yet. Some day I'm sure I'll get to it ;)

Or are these errors in your book?

That's possible too of course! You can easily verify it for yourself by selecting the patch you are examining, then turn the knob you want to know the preset value of, then press the "compare" button. The preset number should appear when the compare button is activated and display the currently configured value again when you deactivate the compare button.

If you do find errors, please be sure to report them.
It's a lot of information to proof-read for occasional errors :)

Thanks Again for the work you have put in this, it's been a great help!

You're welcome! I wish I could complement it with deep insights about sound design, but I haven't reached that level (or any level, really) of proficiency yet.

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Re: free book disassembling the rev2 presets
« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2018, 10:47:22 PM »
Many thanks from me too :)
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Re: free book disassembling the rev2 presets
« Reply #23 on: September 18, 2018, 07:55:42 AM »
Most likely I'm being brain-dead... but I can't figure out how to download the book. Clicking on the 0.0.5 link doesn't appear to do anything. This is what I see...
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Re: free book disassembling the rev2 presets
« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2018, 09:38:02 PM »
Thank you for putting this book together. Both your book and tipsheet are a great help to me.  -Murphy

Re: free book disassembling the rev2 presets
« Reply #25 on: September 19, 2018, 06:24:40 AM »
Most likely I'm being brain-dead... but I can't figure out how to download the book. Clicking on the 0.0.5 link doesn't appear to do anything. This is what I see...

Yes it's somewhat non-intuitive: on the screen you see, click the "source code (zip)" link. Inside the .zip file you'll find the .pdf file.

Re: free book disassembling the rev2 presets
« Reply #26 on: September 25, 2018, 01:25:01 PM »
Most likely I'm being brain-dead... but I can't figure out how to download the book. Clicking on the 0.0.5 link doesn't appear to do anything. This is what I see...

Yes it's somewhat non-intuitive: on the screen you see, click the "source code (zip)" link. Inside the .zip file you'll find the .pdf file.
Thanks a bunch!
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Re: free book disassembling the rev2 presets
« Reply #27 on: October 07, 2018, 09:21:21 PM »
Thank you very much!

Re: free book disassembling the rev2 presets
« Reply #28 on: October 08, 2018, 10:34:52 AM »
One question: In some programs the filter env amount is set to zero without an lfo or any other source opening it up, while for example, the filter env attack is set to a value. Why is this? Does this still have some effect? Or does key amount activate the filter env?

I'm afraid I'm not the best person to answer the question in depth. If you start from a basic patch, then reduce the cut-off frequency until you get a somewhat muffled sound, you can turn the env amount button and hear the influence it has on the tone. By playing with the velocity knob you can make the filter open more as you play louder. Key amount is more about making the filter open more as you play higher notes. By adjusting the env amount you can regulate more the overall level. I think of the env amount as a kind of "gain" for the filter envelope if that makes any sense. By making the env amount negative, you flip the filter envelope upside down. Not claiming that my insights are 100% correct or >1% illuminating. When it comes to sound design, I'm really a total n00b. I've made the book as an aid in my quest for insight, but I've noticed I tend to prefer playing, composing and improvising over sound design, so I haven't really made enough progress in that area yet. Some day I'm sure I'll get to it ;)

Or are these errors in your book?

That's possible too of course! You can easily verify it for yourself by selecting the patch you are examining, then turn the knob you want to know the preset value of, then press the "compare" button. The preset number should appear when the compare button is activated and display the currently configured value again when you deactivate the compare button.

If you do find errors, please be sure to report them.
It's a lot of information to proof-read for occasional errors :)

Thanks Again for the work you have put in this, it's been a great help!

You're welcome! I wish I could complement it with deep insights about sound design, but I haven't reached that level (or any level, really) of proficiency yet.

Without certainty, this might well be intentional programming, so that when playing the patch you could introduce the already programmed envelope to affect the filter, by using the env amount knob, to accentuate live playing for instance. Just like using the pitch and mod wheels.

Re: free book disassembling the rev2 presets
« Reply #29 on: December 21, 2018, 10:08:43 PM »
Awesome job!

I got my Rev 2 today, understood the first few presets, then go blown away by the complexity of so many of them. I'm going to learn so much from reading this. Thank you!!

Re: free book disassembling the rev2 presets
« Reply #30 on: December 25, 2018, 03:32:38 AM »
It seems to be an incredible corrective work ! But I have 3 questions of noobs :

1•The last Official firmware for REV2 8 is correct or is your big work still actual?

2•to beneficiate to all your corrective patchwork, all download and the latest one or the latest contains all and is a combo ? (Logic, but the history describes just New actions of New

3•when you correctiv patch is definitfly installed , te official latest firmware of REV 2 8 erases It or not ?

Re: free book disassembling the rev2 presets
« Reply #31 on: December 25, 2018, 06:50:48 AM »
It seems to be an incredible corrective work ! But I have 3 questions of noobs :

1•The last Official firmware for REV2 8 is correct or is your big work still actual?

2•to beneficiate to all your corrective patchwork, all download and the latest one or the latest contains all and is a combo ? (Logic, but the history describes just New actions of New

3•when you correctiv patch is definitfly installed , te official latest firmware of REV 2 8 erases It or not ?

I do not fully understand all your questions, but I can say this: the presets in the synth typically don't change between firmware revisions, so the book should still be correct. The latest available version of the book contains everything, no need to download multiple versions. There's nothing to install in the .zip file, only a .pdf file to read. You can use the information in the .pdf file to manually recreate your favourite preset patches using the front-panel buttons.