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Prophet 12 Choir Patch

Re: Prophet 12 Choir Patch
« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2018, 08:57:33 PM »
A Choir sound is not something i normally use so it was a challenge for me.  Here's my "from scratch" sound.  The sound is "dry".  No added effects.

https://soundcloud.com/jdt9517/prophet-12-choir
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Re: Prophet 12 Choir Patch
« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2018, 09:47:12 PM »
Could you leave an audio sample?

Hi,

i tried yesterday here are links to the requested patch https://soundcloud.com/martin2-2/tibetanholiday-b4p27-prophet-12
and me fooling around wtih my own patch. https://soundcloud.com/martin2-2/choirtest-prophet-12
The Tibetan has mostly Layer A active, my own is 2 Layers panned sometimes i soloed them.

Hope this helps,

Martin3

The second patch is getting there.
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Re: Prophet 12 Choir Patch
« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2018, 09:48:51 PM »
A Choir sound is not something i normally use so it was a challenge for me.  Here's my "from scratch" sound.  The sound is "dry".  No added effects.

https://soundcloud.com/jdt9517/prophet-12-choir

That's getting close.
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Re: Prophet 12 Choir Patch
« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2018, 09:59:41 PM »
A Choir sound is not something i normally use so it was a challenge for me.  Here's my "from scratch" sound.  The sound is "dry".  No added effects.

https://soundcloud.com/jdt9517/prophet-12-choir

That's getting close.

Here's another tweak.  I used your stereo technique and added some effects and got this que. 

https://soundcloud.com/jdt9517/2018-02-18-choir-2

Enjoy!
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Re: Prophet 12 Choir Patch
« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2018, 08:53:51 AM »
Jim -

That's the best I've heard so far.  I would add just a touch more of vibrato.  And I don't consider using reverb to be cheating.  It's actually essential to the sound and quite a natural compliment, since a hall effect would be appropriate for a large chorus.  Thanks for that sample. 
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Re: Prophet 12 Choir Patch
« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2018, 04:26:58 PM »
Jim -

That's the best I've heard so far.  I would add just a touch more of vibrato.  And I don't consider using reverb to be cheating.  It's actually essential to the sound and quite a natural compliment, since a hall effect would be appropriate for a large chorus.  Thanks for that sample.

Thanks!  Here's another try with a touch more vibrato.  It was kind of tricky because each LFO is doing double duty.  I have the first three oscs modulating between waves, and the freq mod at the same rate.  So, LFO 1 is doing both for osc 1, and the same for oscs 2 and 3.  Osc 4 is Violet noise with LFO 4 doing random mod of the shape.  The first 3 LFO's are running at somewhat different rates so to imitate three different voices.

BTW, it is the modulating between waves that causes most of the vibrato effect.  The pitch modulation helps but not as much.

Here it is:  https://soundcloud.com/jdt9517/prophet-12-choir-4   Enjoy!

Also, since i had recorded the performance by MIDI, the performances between this and the last one are identical.  The only difference is the LFO adjustment of the sound.  It might be kind of interesting to A-B the performances and see what a change in LFO can do.
« Last Edit: February 19, 2018, 05:34:00 PM by jdt9517 »
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Re: Prophet 12 Choir Patch
« Reply #26 on: February 20, 2018, 11:55:44 AM »
That's good as well.  But, yikes, you really had to do some serious programming to get it.  I'll let it rest that this is about as far as the Prophet 12 can go on this patch.  I appreciate your, and everyone else's, efforts.  I thought my question would be an easy one, and I didn't mean to give anyone homework.  The short of it, though, is that the Poly Evolver has it on this patch - at least, in my opinion.  The Prophet 12 has other strengths.
« Last Edit: February 20, 2018, 12:03:45 PM by Sacred Synthesis »
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Re: Prophet 12 Choir Patch
« Reply #27 on: February 21, 2018, 09:22:08 PM »
It was fun getting there though.  It also gave me another base patch to work from.  Here is a work in progress where I took the choir patch and changed the envelopes.  The arpeggiated sound is the choir patch base.  The bass sound is the P-08 and P-02.  It's not finished, but I think you can get the point.

https://soundcloud.com/jdt9517/2018-02-21a
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Re: Prophet 12 Choir Patch
« Reply #28 on: February 24, 2018, 11:33:03 AM »

Experimented a little by modshaping the Ahh, oooh, and even the nasal wave shapes.


https://soundcloud.com/wavescape-1/choir-samples-p12
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Re: Prophet 12 Choir Patch
« Reply #29 on: May 15, 2018, 09:17:37 AM »
That's good as well.  But, yikes, you really had to do some serious programming to get it.  I'll let it rest that this is about as far as the Prophet 12 can go on this patch.  I appreciate your, and everyone else's, efforts.  I thought my question would be an easy one, and I didn't mean to give anyone homework.  The short of it, though, is that the Poly Evolver has it on this patch - at least, in my opinion.  The Prophet 12 has other strengths.

To be fair, you have to work pretty hard to get the Evolver to be where you want it to be, too. You have a bunch more waves to start with, but they are quite limiting on their own, and it takes programming knowledge to get it to sing.

The P12 has a different character, but I am convinced it can do its own take on similar sounds. It's not going to sound the same as the Evolver because the waves and oscillator playback are fundamentally different, but I think it is quite strong in its own right.

Re: Prophet 12 Choir Patch
« Reply #30 on: May 15, 2018, 10:51:40 AM »
The P12 has a different character, but I am convinced it can do its own take on similar sounds. It's not going to sound the same as the Evolver because the waves and oscillator playback are fundamentally different, but I think it is quite strong in its own right.

I'm more than willing to believe that, but I'm also still waiting to hear it.

The Evolver choir patch is quite easy to create, and it doesn't take a lot of time or knowledge.  The advantage is that you can begin with a digital wave shape that already has you 2/3 there.

This recording is a bit old and mediocre, but there's a Poly Evolver Keyboard choir patch used throughout:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpWEOEIo0So
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Re: Prophet 12 Choir Patch
« Reply #31 on: May 23, 2018, 08:57:11 AM »
Since my last experimentation with choir patches that I posted back in February, I have gotten some better choir sounds out of the P12.  That being said, I do agree  with Sacred synthesis that getting a choir is a little more intuitive on the PEK.  Going a step further beyond the onboard PEK digital waveshapes, I experimented with taking an actual choir recording (using a part of the singing that was kind of even-like a drone) and snapped out two wave shapes using Audacity, and then used waveshape loader (posted in the PEK section of this forum) and imported one shape into osc 3 and the other shape into osc4.  I'm very happy with the result.  I hope to post soon.
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Re: Prophet 12 Choir Patch
« Reply #32 on: August 08, 2018, 07:46:01 AM »
Could you leave an audio sample?
If you need some audio samples you can find them in google. My first search gave me this results www.loopmasters.com , www.lucidsamples.comwww.samplephonics.com

Re: Prophet 12 Choir Patch
« Reply #33 on: August 19, 2018, 09:56:23 AM »
Challenge accepted!
 https://soundcloud.com/caley-kelly/prophets-choir

 A choir voicing was actually one of the more challenging things to program on the P12. Now that i have a few tricks down it will be easier. One big one that helped was to boost the HPF res past 127 in the mod matrix with DC to get more of a peak.
 Cheers!

Re: Prophet 12 Choir Patch
« Reply #34 on: August 20, 2018, 06:59:30 PM »
An excellent patch, but only faintly reminiscent of a choir.  I heard some distinct "meows" in there.
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Re: Prophet 12 Choir Patch
« Reply #35 on: August 21, 2018, 02:15:24 AM »
That is a very nice patch!

Doesnít sound like the original evolver patch at all, but I really really dig it 👍🏻  Itís exactly the type of sound I love my P12 for.

Re: Prophet 12 Choir Patch
« Reply #36 on: August 21, 2018, 03:57:37 AM »
Thanks.
 I actually just had a break-through: try using the "Aahh" oscillator to modulate the LPF at positive and HPF at negative. With a bit of knob twisting for the res and envelopes I was able to get a more traditional choir sound in less than 5 minutes!

Re: Prophet 12 Choir Patch
« Reply #37 on: August 21, 2018, 10:31:14 AM »
Here's a composition using the above stated method. Audio rate filter modulation is the key!
https://soundcloud.com/caley-kelly/at-the-gate

Re: Prophet 12 Choir Patch
« Reply #38 on: August 21, 2018, 07:23:02 PM »
Another nice patch, but....

For one, the slight envelope modulation of the filter at the attack stage sounds very unnatural.  But I'd say you've got the right timbre.
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Re: Prophet 12 Choir Patch
« Reply #39 on: August 22, 2018, 01:59:58 AM »
Thanks Sacred.
 I was attempting to use velocity on attack times to go from staccato to legato,  perhaps I went a bit too far.
 Using the aah or ooh waves to modulate the filters at audio rate get you in the ballpark for formant sounds pretty quickly though.
 Cheers!