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Re: Next New DSI Instrument
« Reply #840 on: January 29, 2019, 09:06:01 AM »
Yes, the paraphonic envelope is one of the keys.  But once you're sustaining a note or chord, it's all the same.

That audio quality is terrible.  Why would Behringer post a demonstration that sounds like a Farfisa organ on a bad day?   And there's a steep price to pay for making the instrument "portable."  You could somewhat compensate for a string machine's inherent thinness of tone by maintaining a bass note, but not with Behringer's tiny tot version.
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Re: Next New DSI Instrument
« Reply #841 on: January 29, 2019, 09:23:28 AM »
tiny tot version.
That's my new favorite phrase for the Roland / Yamaha / Behringer mini-toys
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Re: Next New DSI Instrument
« Reply #842 on: January 29, 2019, 10:19:32 AM »
Yes, the paraphonic envelope is one of the keys.  But once you're sustaining a note or chord, it's all the same.

That audio quality is terrible.  Why would Behringer post a demonstration that sounds like a Farfisa organ on a bad day?   And there's a steep price to pay for making the instrument "portable."  You could somewhat compensate for a string machine's inherent thinness of tone by maintaining a bass note, but not with Behringer's tiny tot version.

Well you could do that with an external midi controller. I know it's not ideal but realistically I think Behringer knows it's a niche product even among synth heads so making a 5 octave version isn't economically realistic.

Shame that I won't buy a Behringer product, I actually like the sound of it.
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Re: Next New DSI Instrument
« Reply #843 on: January 29, 2019, 10:33:53 AM »
I do wonder though...will Sequential do yet another Prophet or will it be a totally different name?
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Re: Next New DSI Instrument
« Reply #844 on: January 29, 2019, 10:37:43 AM »
Yes, the paraphonic envelope is one of the keys.  But once you're sustaining a note or chord, it's all the same.

That audio quality is terrible.  Why would Behringer post a demonstration that sounds like a Farfisa organ on a bad day?   And there's a steep price to pay for making the instrument "portable."  You could somewhat compensate for a string machine's inherent thinness of tone by maintaining a bass note, but not with Behringer's tiny tot version.

Well you could do that with an external midi controller. I know it's not ideal but realistically I think Behringer knows it's a niche product even among synth heads so making a 5 octave version isn't economically realistic.

Shame that I won't buy a Behringer product, I actually like the sound of it.
Well, unless you need it live, there are some decent software [gasp!] emulations [sorry for uttering the S word].  And in a mix, you likely canít tell a difference.
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Re: Next New DSI Instrument
« Reply #845 on: January 29, 2019, 11:08:46 AM »

I know it's not ideal but realistically I think Behringer knows it's a niche product even among synth heads so making a 5 octave version isn't economically realistic.

As I'm sure you know, the common keyboard length of the old string machines was four octaves.  Even that would have sufficed for so limited an instrument.  But three?  In the opinion of many of us, that's too short even for a mono synth.
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Re: Next New DSI Instrument
« Reply #846 on: January 29, 2019, 11:29:06 AM »

I know it's not ideal but realistically I think Behringer knows it's a niche product even among synth heads so making a 5 octave version isn't economically realistic.

As I'm sure you know, the common keyboard length of the old string machines was four octaves.  Even that would have sufficed for so limited an instrument.  But three?  In the opinion of many of us, that's too short even for a mono synth.

Indeed. Now Iíve tasted the Pro 2, the Sub 37 seems annoyingly short. Arturia did it right with Matrixbrute at four octaves.

Re: Next New DSI Instrument
« Reply #847 on: January 29, 2019, 11:56:54 AM »

I know it's not ideal but realistically I think Behringer knows it's a niche product even among synth heads so making a 5 octave version isn't economically realistic.

As I'm sure you know, the common keyboard length of the old string machines was four octaves.  Even that would have sufficed for so limited an instrument.  But three?  In the opinion of many of us, that's too short even for a mono synth.

Nah I disagree with that mono statement. I see no reason to have so many octaves when you can only play one note at a time. Zero real estate sense.
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Re: Next New DSI Instrument
« Reply #848 on: January 29, 2019, 11:58:48 AM »

I know it's not ideal but realistically I think Behringer knows it's a niche product even among synth heads so making a 5 octave version isn't economically realistic.

As I'm sure you know, the common keyboard length of the old string machines was four octaves.  Even that would have sufficed for so limited an instrument.  But three?  In the opinion of many of us, that's too short even for a mono synth.

Indeed. Now Iíve tasted the Pro 2, the Sub 37 seems annoyingly short. Arturia did it right with Matrixbrute at four octaves.

Pro 2 has the ability to play four voices paraphonically. The keyboard range makes sense. Thr Matrix Brute can play three note paraphonically and split the keyboard. Plus it also had to fit the actual Matrix.

Since you can only play 2 notes paraphonically on the Sub 37 it would not make sense to have more octaves. Form follows function.
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Re: Next New DSI Instrument
« Reply #849 on: January 29, 2019, 12:50:14 PM »

I know it's not ideal but realistically I think Behringer knows it's a niche product even among synth heads so making a 5 octave version isn't economically realistic.

As I'm sure you know, the common keyboard length of the old string machines was four octaves.  Even that would have sufficed for so limited an instrument.  But three?  In the opinion of many of us, that's too short even for a mono synth.

Nah I disagree with that mono statement. I see no reason to have so many octaves when you can only play one note at a time. Zero real estate sense.

What about melodies that exceed three octaves?  Mine do all the time.  There are often no opportunities to hit an octave button.  What then?  Even another half-an-octave would be a major improvement, as with the Pro 2 or Minimoog.  Whereas, my dear old Mono Evolver Keyboard was a constant problem for melodies, and I had to sell it for the big one.

Believe me, if three octaves sufficed, then I could happily afford one of the current mono synths.  But they just won't do.  I've owned six different three-octave mono synths, and each time I had problems with their size.  That's a practical fact.  Otherwise, there would have been a Sub 37 or Odyssey sitting in my music room long ago.

It's not without good reason that mono synths have been made over the years in all different shapes and sizes, so as to suit the needs of different types of synthesists.
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Re: Next New DSI Instrument
« Reply #850 on: January 29, 2019, 04:09:39 PM »

I know it's not ideal but realistically I think Behringer knows it's a niche product even among synth heads so making a 5 octave version isn't economically realistic.

As I'm sure you know, the common keyboard length of the old string machines was four octaves.  Even that would have sufficed for so limited an instrument.  But three?  In the opinion of many of us, that's too short even for a mono synth.

Indeed. Now Iíve tasted the Pro 2, the Sub 37 seems annoyingly short. Arturia did it right with Matrixbrute at four octaves.

Pro 2 has the ability to play four voices paraphonically. The keyboard range makes sense. Thr Matrix Brute can play three note paraphonically and split the keyboard. Plus it also had to fit the actual Matrix.

Since you can only play 2 notes paraphonically on the Sub 37 it would not make sense to have more octaves. Form follows function.

I find it much easier to physically jump up octaves rather than constantly having to use the transpose knob. It also frees up a hand to use the pitch and mod wheels instead.

I wrote a line in Bbm the other day that spans a full 3 octaves; itís playable on the Pro 2 but not on the Subsequent 37. It has fast 16ths in it so using the transpose keys isnít viable.

Re: Next New DSI Instrument
« Reply #851 on: January 29, 2019, 04:18:00 PM »
I find it much easier to physically jump up octaves rather than constantly having to use the transpose knob. It also frees up a hand to use the pitch and mod wheels instead.

I wrote a line in Bbm the other day that spans a full 3 octaves; it’s playable on the Pro 2 but not on the Subsequent 37. It has fast 16ths in it so using the transpose keys isn’t viable.

Yup.  And add the many cases when you're left hand is playing another instrument, so that it's not free to hit the octave button on your mono synth.  This is less of a problem if you're always multi-tracking, but that's not the case with those of us who record or play live.
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Re: Next New DSI Instrument
« Reply #852 on: January 29, 2019, 06:41:58 PM »
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or use the subscription model where an owner can pay for the rights to use the "add-ons" from particular companies for a period of time (a la the business software package model used these days).
[a video I didn't watch due to it's title making playback essentially a redundancy measure]

Yes yes, I agree it's a dreadful concept and I'd not like the model to infiltrate the music world in the same way it has the visual creative world, but it was purely a throwaway idea.

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Re: Next New DSI Instrument
« Reply #853 on: January 29, 2019, 10:58:09 PM »
Also Roland with their VP-03 and I counted the Mininova because of it's gooseneck mic without thinking it's actually a VA with a vocoder really.

I have a Streichfett and actually am annoyed that Waldorf won't be doing their STVC in a module.  I also think that there is room for a few more paraphonic synths.  I was fairly critical of them before I got a Pulse 2 and found it's paraphonic modes killer chord makers even sharing the one filter and amp.  I used to treat the Evolver in a similar manner by sequencing it's osc's to play chords.

Roland discontinued the VP 03 and the mini Nova is certainly not a dedicated string machine/vocoder

Didn't realise that Roland dropped the module.  Didn't last long really.  I thought it sounded rather nice for a recent times Roland and was sorta jealous of the vocoder.  Roland are getting better and better at digitally cloning their 80's synths.
And yeah, I did mention that the Mininova's vocoder made me just kneejerk it into the list and I'm aware it's a VA as it's namesake was.

To add to all the talk of octave counts: transpose buttons are why I want everything in a module.  That way I can use my own choice of controller and not pay for keyboards too short for the instrument they are on.

I'd like to get an authentic octave-divider string machine.  That dreamy ethereal sound they have can evoke so much emotion from a single chord held for bars on end.  The Streichfett is nice but it's not quite it.  I asked Waldorf about a STVC module and they said their intended market for the STVC doesn't want a module.  But I've got a usable five octave synth with a wonderfully unique orange skin that would be perfect for it already.

Re: Next New DSI Instrument
« Reply #854 on: January 30, 2019, 07:26:34 AM »
I find it much easier to physically jump up octaves rather than constantly having to use the transpose knob. It also frees up a hand to use the pitch and mod wheels instead.

I wrote a line in Bbm the other day that spans a full 3 octaves; itís playable on the Pro 2 but not on the Subsequent 37. It has fast 16ths in it so using the transpose keys isnít viable.

Yup.  And add the many cases when you're left hand is playing another instrument, so that it's not free to hit the octave button on your mono synth.  This is less of a problem if you're always multi-tracking, but that's not the case with those of us who record or play live.

Didnít seem to hinder Keith Emerson or Herbie Hancock playing Minimoogs and Odysseys. Lol

It is a rather strange conundrum to be in though. ďI need more octavesĒ ďuse an external controller via midiĒ ďnoĒ lol
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Re: Next New DSI Instrument
« Reply #855 on: February 22, 2019, 04:01:24 PM »
I stand corrected...Sequential did have a string synth back in the day.

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Re: Next New DSI Instrument
« Reply #856 on: March 26, 2019, 07:28:09 PM »
I would like to see one based on an FPGA running very high rate oscillators like what Novation does with the Peak.

A modern 16 voice FPGA 24mhz zero alias oscillators based synth with Analog path and it would open up more oscillator types,modulation etc. Novation Peak is quite an instrument because of this and would love to see what DSI can do with such an processor.
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Re: Next New DSI Instrument
« Reply #857 on: March 28, 2019, 11:10:57 PM »
I would like to see one based on an FPGA running very high rate oscillators like what Novation does with the Peak.

A modern 16 voice FPGA 24mhz zero alias oscillators based synth with Analog path and it would open up more oscillator types,modulation etc. Novation Peak is quite an instrument because of this and would love to see what DSI can do with such an processor.

Just as long as their is a parameter which allows the user to dial in as little or as much aliasing as they want.
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Re: Next New DSI Instrument
« Reply #858 on: March 29, 2019, 01:40:23 AM »
Whatever it is, I hope it has better pots than the current models. I returned my Pro 2 after the pots became loose after a few weeks. The problem seems not to be the point where they attach to the board but the rotating top section of the pot (the part to which the rubber knobs attach); this part becomes loose and rocks from side to side.

I am looking to buy a poly and spent a few hours playing a P-6, an OB-6 and a Rev 2 and all three had loose pots (OB-6 having the fewest). I know these are floor models and thus potentially subject to abuse but still. I would like my gear to last a long time.

Re: Next New DSI Instrument
« Reply #859 on: April 10, 2019, 09:28:09 PM »
I do wonder if this new synth will have an entirely digital front end or have a combination of two analog and two digital oscillators like the Poly Evolver. I would think putting analog oscillators on it would start to overlap with their other analog oscillator based synths in their catalog.
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