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Re: Next New DSI Instrument
« Reply #1400 on: September 27, 2020, 02:29:39 AM »
But yeah, Moog do charge a bit too much for what their products.
That has certainly been what I have thought over the history of Moog, but I am starting to change my mind about that a little.


Take the Moog One for example.  The 16 voice runs you $530 per analogue voice ó thatís if you donít have a relationship with a dealer and I can get a bit of a discount (most people do and can). That ďper voiceĒ cost (while certainly more expensive than a Rev 2 or Prologue) is in line with OB-6 / P6. Yet the Moog One offers a lot that the OB-6 / P6 doesnít ó more LFOs, envelopes, a very comprehensive mod matrix, 61 keys in a keybed that is second to none...  itís a ďwhole is greater than the sum of the partsĒ argument.  Iím not knocking the OB-6 or P6, not at all ó they are both stellar.  But for what it does, the Moog One is priced about right for 16 analogue voices.


As for the Matriarch... similar statement.  While it doesnít have a mod matrix or presets, 4 OSCs, 2 LFOs, 2 envelopes... and THAT sound.  It just has that sound that no other mono synth that Iíve had my hands on can produce.  I havenít played the Pro 3, and Iím sure itís stellar. But the Matriarch is in the same range ($100 cheaper than the SE).  I see them as very different creatures ó I believe most synthesists would.


Anyway, Iíve had a couple Scotchs.... so I hope Iím coherent.  But the Matriarch produces a tone that can be warm, beefy, creamy... that Moog tone in the past (Voyager, Model D) would have cost you more.

Hahaha, no worries mate, those scotchs haven't blurred your points at all.  And you have valid points, just I feel that there is a little bit of a "prestige tax" on the Moog name which climbs every 3mths in a manner not relative to inflation.  2yrs ago the Mother 32 was 2/3's the price it is now....

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Re: Next New DSI Instrument
« Reply #1401 on: September 27, 2020, 05:51:37 AM »
Hahaha, no worries mate, those scotchs haven't blurred your points at all.  And you have valid points, just I feel that there is a little bit of a "prestige tax" on the Moog name which climbs every 3mths in a manner not relative to inflation.  2yrs ago the Mother 32 was 2/3's the price it is now....
Ouch!  I hadnít noticed that because the Mother 32 isnít my kind of thing... but wow.  Thatís odd.  You rarely see synths *increase* in retail price.

You could also make the VERY valid observation that if you want to get into Moog Modular, you had better have very deep pockets. Absurdly so.

So yeah... there is still a bit of a premium for the Moog name. 
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Re: Next New DSI Instrument
« Reply #1402 on: September 27, 2020, 11:54:33 AM »
You rarely see synths *increase* in retail price.


What? I think that happens quite often. The Rev2 is more expensive at the moment, than when I bought it. The Prophet 6 has been 300Ä cheaper than now for quite a long time (still didn't manage to buy one  :'( ) ... To name an example of another manufacturer: the PEAK has been cheaper, too ...

But I'm living in Europe... perhaps that has to do with some export/import taxes things that I don't know much about. I think prices in- and decrease constantly... that's why I have all the synth I care for on a watchlist.
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Re: Next New DSI Instrument
« Reply #1403 on: September 27, 2020, 01:11:07 PM »
In my neck of the woods, the Moog One 16 tops out at $762.44 per voice.  Then you have to add $91.50 per voice in taxes.  Not something to take lightly.

But I do agree with your assessment of the Moogs

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Re: Next New DSI Instrument
« Reply #1404 on: September 27, 2020, 02:11:39 PM »
You rarely see synths *increase* in retail price.


What? I think that happens quite often. The Rev2 is more expensive at the moment, than when I bought it. The Prophet 6 has been 300Ä cheaper than now for quite a long time (still didn't manage to buy one  :'( ) ... To name an example of another manufacturer: the PEAK has been cheaper, too ...

But I'm living in Europe... perhaps that has to do with some export/import taxes things that I don't know much about. I think prices in- and decrease constantly... that's why I have all the synth I care for on a watchlist.
I'm pretty sure the PEAK, Rev2, P6... have remained the same price here in the US. I have seen synths go down in price -- especially toward the end of their life cycle... P12, Kurzweil PC3K, I've seen others.


You're definitely getting the euro distributor tax.  I pay extra for health care, you pay extra for everything else.  It probably all washes out in the mix.
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Re: Next New DSI Instrument
« Reply #1405 on: September 27, 2020, 02:31:22 PM »
I pay extra for health care, you pay extra for everything else.

Well, then I better choose health care  ::)

Maybe I could talk to my health insurance, because synths are a kind of mental health care for me  ;D
Prophet Rev2, Novation Peak, Korg Kronos 2 88, Kurzweil PC 361, Yamaha S90ES,  Akai MPK 261

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Re: Next New DSI Instrument
« Reply #1406 on: September 27, 2020, 02:55:00 PM »
Same here, my synth addiction helps keep me sane :) I live alone and havenít had visitors since February (like most people during this current situation) but my synths keep me optimistic and stop me from drinking too much ;D
DSI Prophet Rev2, DSI Pro 2, Moog Sub37, Korg Minilogue, Yamaha MOXF6, Yamaha MODX6, Yamaha Montage6

Re: Next New DSI Instrument
« Reply #1407 on: September 27, 2020, 03:14:03 PM »
Looks like itíll be an October release. Actually maybe not even a release but an announcement.
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« Reply #1408 on: September 27, 2020, 03:40:34 PM »
I pay extra for health care, you pay extra for everything else.

Well, then I better choose health care  ::)

Maybe I could talk to my health insurance, because synths are a kind of mental health care for me  ;D
HAHAHA.... no doubt.
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Re: Next New DSI Instrument
« Reply #1409 on: September 28, 2020, 12:12:15 AM »
Hell...I love my synths and outboard gear more than life itself ... but even they canít help me from drinking a Kingís amount of booze 🥃

Now, Sequential bringeth forth ye announcement of thine synth

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Re: Next New DSI Instrument
« Reply #1410 on: September 28, 2020, 12:16:08 AM »
Hell...I love my synths and outboard gear more than life itself ... but even they canít help me from drinking a Kingís amount of booze 🥃

Now, Sequential bringeth forth ye announcement of thine synth

Don't get me wrong, I still have a good skinfull Friday, Saturday and Sunday evenings, but thanks to my synths I don't even think about alcohol during the week :)
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« Reply #1411 on: September 28, 2020, 04:06:08 PM »
Thatís good on you brother666, Iíve actually gone down to 2 or 3 beers a night so I donít get messy much at all anymore since the gigs stopped in March 😔  but yeah the Pro 3 is definitely helping keep me sane during this time.  Canít help but wonder when things will ever get better!?
SEQUENTIAL Pro 3, DSI Prophet 12, DSI Prophet Rev2-8, Moog Subsequent 37, Roland Alpha Juno 2, Novation Bass Station 2, BOSS VE500, MOTU Micro Lite, AKAI APC240 MKII, UAD Apollo X6, MacBook Pro 2017, ADAM A7X Monitors, Logic X
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Re: Next New DSI Instrument
« Reply #1412 on: September 28, 2020, 05:06:23 PM »
Thatís good on you brother666, Iíve actually gone down to 2 or 3 beers a night so I donít get messy much at all anymore since the gigs stopped in March 😔  but yeah the Pro 3 is definitely helping keep me sane during this time.  Canít help but wonder when things will ever get better!?

Next Summer. Just have a really bizarre feeling thatís when itíll happen. I really think this is the time for people to plan and create the art they want to create to be ready to show it to the world. Itís weird last year I was pitching a film I wanted to make to people...an old 1950s style black and white monster movie and I wanted to tour it and show it at Drive Ins around Canada and the US. Distributors and producers laughed at me....now suddenly they are phoning me up because the popularity of Drive Ins have increased due to social distancing. Even music, Iíve been planning on making some full albums for a while and now thatís exactly what Iím doing. Writing constantly. Just putting stuff away in the vault and building up a catalog.
Prophet 6, Prophet X, Tempest Drum Computer, ISLA S2400 Drum Sampler, Fender American Stratocaster, Roger Linn Adrenalinn iii, ASUS Zenbook Pro Computer, Soundcraft MTK 22 Mixer, Mark Of The Unicorn Digital Performer 10 Software.

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Re: Next New DSI Instrument
« Reply #1413 on: September 28, 2020, 05:18:15 PM »
Thatís good on you brother666, Iíve actually gone down to 2 or 3 beers a night so I donít get messy much at all anymore since the gigs stopped in March 😔  but yeah the Pro 3 is definitely helping keep me sane during this time.  Canít help but wonder when things will ever get better!?

Next Summer. Just have a really bizarre feeling thatís when itíll happen. I really think this is the time for people to plan and create the art they want to create to be ready to show it to the world. Itís weird last year I was pitching a film I wanted to make to people...an old 1950s style black and white monster movie and I wanted to tour it and show it at Drive Ins around Canada and the US. Distributors and producers laughed at me....now suddenly they are phoning me up because the popularity of Drive Ins have increased due to social distancing. Even music, Iíve been planning on making some full albums for a while and now thatís exactly what Iím doing. Writing constantly. Just putting stuff away in the vault and building up a catalog.

Lobo That sounds like a kick ass idea for a movie and what better time to get it going now that drive ins are whatís safe and fun!  Thatís exactly what we are doing now just writing a bunch of music for the next year and by the end of 2021 we will pick our 10 favorite tracks out of whatever we end up making by then for a 2022 album.  Our label in Germany wants us to do a 2021 release but we feel more confident 2022 will be better for touring an album.  Definitely feeling you on now is the time to create and have fun doing it.
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Re: Next New DSI Instrument
« Reply #1414 on: September 28, 2020, 11:10:49 PM »
Just realised I used a term which some people might not know, around these parts having a good skinfull relates to getting very drunk :)

DSI Prophet Rev2, DSI Pro 2, Moog Sub37, Korg Minilogue, Yamaha MOXF6, Yamaha MODX6, Yamaha Montage6

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Re: Next New DSI Instrument
« Reply #1415 on: September 29, 2020, 04:07:55 PM »
Just realised I used a term which some people might not know, around these parts having a good skinfull relates to getting very drunk :)

I think I speak for most of us when I say we pretty much picked it up from context  :)
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Re: Next New DSI Instrument
« Reply #1416 on: September 30, 2020, 02:42:41 PM »
Good news everyone!   I just purchased a Matriarch which means Sequential will be announcing their new synth (making me regret my purchase) imminently!  (at least, that's how it usually goes)

You was nearly right... I see Moog have just announced 'Dark' versions of the Grandmother and Matriarch !
No Shit... Iíve emailed my Sweetwater rep to see if I can trade up.... my synth collection contains several nice looking synths... and then thereís the Moog ďfruit loopsĒ


... just reporting back to the gang... I was successful!   Even the wife likes it better.   ;D


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Re: Next New DSI Instrument
« Reply #1417 on: September 30, 2020, 02:59:55 PM »
... Just reporting back to the gang... I was successful!   Even the wife likes it better.   ;D

Congratulations, Shaw.  See, this is just what the guys at Moog were thinking when they named it "Matriarch."   It's the one instrument that can get past the wife.

And so, the new Sequential instrument should be announced any day now.
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Re: Next New DSI Instrument
« Reply #1418 on: September 30, 2020, 03:27:13 PM »
... just reporting back to the gang... I was successful!   Even the wife likes it better.   ;D




Nice gesture from Sweetwater. I just joined the club of Moog's semi-modulars by finally getting a Grandmother which was always meant to replace my Sub 37. The DFAM and Subharmonicon are next.

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Re: Next New DSI Instrument
« Reply #1419 on: September 30, 2020, 04:13:59 PM »

Congratulations, Shaw.  See, this is just what the guys at Moog were thinking when they named it "Matriarch."   It's the one instrument that can get past the wife.And so, the new Sequential instrument should be announced any day now.

Yeah... Dave is queuing up the YouTube video as we speak....   :)


Nice gesture from Sweetwater. I just joined the club of Moog's semi-modulars by finally getting a Grandmother which was always meant to replace my Sub 37. The DFAM and Subharmonicon are next.

That's gonna be a sweet combination.  I, for one, am hoping that this DOESN'T lead me down the EuroCrack rabbit hole.  That being said, I have already started mapping out a "Deckard Two-Voice" on Modulargrid.com...   ::)
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