Hi, just getting acquainted with my new Mopho X4 and I've come across something puzzling.

I'm trying to assign the mod wheel to control vibrato via LFO 1.

I set LFO1 to modulate Osc1&2 pitch and set the amount to 0.

Then I head to 'modulators', choose ModWhl and dial in the amount, say 30.

The mod wheel now adds the pitch modulation - HOWEVER - a small amount of pitch mod is still present when the wheel is fully down. The larger the amount I set for the wheel to control the LFO amount, the more pronounced it is even when the wheel is off. It's like the wheel isn't properly hitting zero.

I've calibrated the wheels but no change.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Henry 

OB-X8 might have more possibilities, but P10 is bi-timbal which opens many possibilities impossible with the OB-X8.

Programming patches is more straightforward on P10 thanks to its knob per function interface. Performance wise, the OB-X8 is the easiest to use.

My subjective notes.

In mono mode, they both sound pretty fat and comparable. The X8’s stereo would initially have you think otherwise - it’s like an effect.
X8 sounds obviously brighter (filters) and appears to be capable of a wider sonic temperature range (warm to cold), where the P10 is more often on the warmer side. Still, texture wise P10 is probably the most versatile (eg polymod, filter self-oscillation, wave form variety).

To illustrate this with a few sounds. You’d use the X8 to produce a wide cathedral organ, while P10 would be your inspiring little pipe organ. An electric piano sounds pretty convincing (and tight) on the X8 but imo not as drifting-away/natural as on the P10. The same goes for warm pads (very warm on P10) but the X8, still warm, is able to produce a wider range of pads and strings sounds.

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I’m not sure you can, I think the transpose is effectively ‘global’ - maybe someone can correct me if wrong.

The simple workaround here though is to tune one layer one octave above or below its current settings - you can do this for the oscillators and for the samples if using both, and that should give you the desired results

It is not so simple because many programs and many of its parameters are pitch dependent...For example if the preset has filter key tracking ,sync,fm etc i ll have problem

Let’s break it down..

If you have patches where one layer has “pitch dependent” settings but the other layer does not, then make the oscillator pitch  / sample pitch adjustments on the layer which does not.

For the ones where you have these types of configurations on both layers let’s break it down further:

Key tracking: after adjusting the pitches then all you have to do is adjust the cutoff value as necessary to get it sounding the same (no need to change the key tracking value).

Sync: I don’t believe any adjustment would be required here? Seeing as the oscillators would still maintain their relative differences.

FM: I haven’t explored FM on the PX so can’t say for sure.

Etc.: Is there anything else which is “pitch dependent “?

yes,i ve alread thought those ''solutions'' but the truth is that they are not the right solutions.All of them require more time,work and additional setting for something that it could be fixed with just a press of a button.

Maybe there is a way by pressing one button, but I don’t think that’s the case.

I don’t see how these are not the ‘right’ solutions. Synths work how they work, and that’s it!

An besides, it really is not that difficult to for example fix the one in regards the key tracking. Change the oscillator pitches - about a 30 second job - and then adjust the filter cutoff. It really shouldn’t take long!

Like I said I don’t think it’s a problem for synching as that relies on the relative pitches so there shouldn’t be any impact there.

And is there really anything else apart from key tracking and perhaps the FM?

EDIT - Is anyone else aware if there is a simple way to do this using transpose? I did try it out but as suspected pretty sure it’s global, plus from memory it says as much in the manual

Have them booth:

When the P5 rev 4 first was released I bought it. When Firmware 2.0 was released I bought the optional voice card and upgraded to a P10 because of the new layer and split functions.

When the OB-X8 was released I bought it as well. Was a little bit worried it should sound to close to the P5 as well as to my Oberheim Xpander. But they all have different tonal qualities.

The P5/10 is more edgy, punchy and has a very nice mid. The OB-X8 is more mellow, fat and more possibilities.

If I had to keep just one of these two it would be very hard to chose as they booth are winners. For the sound it would be the OB-X8, for the classic vibe, the joy tweak and to play it would be the P10.

Here a short comparison I did with 4 similar patches I did for the P5 (10) and the OB-X8:

https://youtu.be/gxBtPEgJQRo?si=90zpgiPD0ZrCS5wS