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Pro 3 / Re: The Pro-3 On The Eyes
« Last post by sockmonkey on September 26, 2020, 08:53:05 AM »
Is there anybody on this forum who

(1) Owns and regularly plays a Pro-3, and
(2) Is in the 50-ish age range?

You and me, we're the children of the synthpop 80s, and the Pro-3 seems like it was made for us, with its glorious VCOs and generous array of analog filters.

My problem is, you know... my eyes. I haven't bought a Pro-3 because I don't really want to operate in the screen-universe anymore. It's not clear to me how I'd program a Pro-3 without having to watch the screen, and I'm worried that it'll be too small to really see, especially if it's the focal point of the whole sound design experience. I play my synths standing up, meaning I'll be about as far away from the screen as possible.

So I'm looking for some testimonials. How are you getting on with it?

I'm not quite there, but getting close. I've had terrible eyes my entire life anyway, made worse by a career in front of computer screens. That said, the screen is easy to read, the values themselves are very large, the descriptive text is clear. OLED is anyway pretty crisp.

I love editing on the hardware, it's a very friendly instrument to program, despite my prismatic bifocals.
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Other Hardware/Software / Omnisphere 2 Hardware Integration
« Last post by LPF83 on September 26, 2020, 08:50:45 AM »
I've owned Omnisphere for like 10 years, and although I did upgrade to version 2.0, I've toyed around with it but never used it much, because it offers a little TOO much.  It sounds fantastic, but it's kind of a swiss-army knife, and the same aspects that put me off of workstations are exactly the same reason I rarely reach for Omnisphere.  I enjoy the "individualism" of hardware instruments, and finding ways to work their limitations, sound profile and personality into the musical process.  I never really wanted a mega-synth that does everything, because the idea is less musically inspiring to me somehow.

Hardware integration is one of those things I've been meaning to try (it was one of the big features of version 2), but only got around to trying it today.

Well...I'm SUPER impressed!   It works as advertised, and honestly if more soft synths did this, I might use them more.   I tried it with the Prophet 6 and Rev 2 profiles.  For example, when I selected FX on the P6, it modified the FX rack in Omnisphere and replaced existing rack FX with the Omnisphere equivalent, and on the Rev2 when using the Modulation buttons and controls to map destinations, all of the modulations were setup correctly (in real time) in the mod matrix in Omnisphere. 

Great job by Spectrasonics!   Given the flexibility and sample/synthesis possibilities of Omnisphere, it's kind of like turning one of your existing synths into a ProphetX or Quantum (assuming you already use a DAW anyway).

Here is a complete list of the supported hardware synths (quite a good showing for Sequential):

https://support.spectrasonics.net/manual/Omnisphere2/25/en/topic/supported-hardware-synths


This may be old news for some, and apologies if it's already been posted or reviewed.  But I was glad to discover this among my existing set of tools.





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Off Topic / Re: Next New DSI Instrument
« Last post by LPF83 on September 26, 2020, 08:31:02 AM »
I prefer the fruit loops.

I prefer the fruit loops, too. And in Germany it seems like the Dark version costs 200 more?! I think that's very much for a "design option" ...

I prefer the dark look to multicolor, but I totally agree with you on the cost premium for minor design changes... It looks like price is the same in the US, wonder if that's an individual retailer or a Moog thing in Europe?  Honestly I can say the same for the Pro3 Special Edition.  If I ever do own a P3, I'd want the flip up top, and I expect wood on an analog synth, but a $500 price premium for just those two features seems a bit much.  We could call that Dave's tequila tax!..   still love the guy though.

At least the Pro3 SE has some kind of additional "functionality" with the adjustable panel and the wood ends are another material, so the price has to be different. I don't want to judge, if it's too much, or not... but it's OK that it is different...

But the Moog Dark Series is just another finish of the front plate I would guess. That should not make a big difference...

Agree, it shouldn't.  The dark version is a couple of hundred quid higher at Andertons as well, so it's not just in Germany.  That makes me wonder if Moog is encountering some new export expense that they have decided to try to recover on the dark versions rather than suffer the bad press of increasing the price of existing versions.
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Pro 3 / The Pro-3 On The Eyes
« Last post by chysn on September 26, 2020, 08:26:36 AM »
Is there anybody on this forum who

(1) Owns and regularly plays a Pro-3, and
(2) Is in the 50-ish age range?

You and me, we're the children of the synthpop 80s, and the Pro-3 seems like it was made for us, with its glorious VCOs and generous array of analog filters.

My problem is, you know... my eyes. I haven't bought a Pro-3 because I don't really want to operate in the screen-universe anymore. It's not clear to me how I'd program a Pro-3 without having to watch the screen, and I'm worried that it'll be too small to really see, especially if it's the focal point of the whole sound design experience. I play my synths standing up, meaning I'll be about as far away from the screen as possible.

So I'm looking for some testimonials. How are you getting on with it?
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Tempest / Re: What are Tempest users thoughts on the ISLA S2400?
« Last post by Simple Rabbit on September 26, 2020, 08:23:18 AM »
Yes 👆🏻

External sequencing with some audio input and effects. Plus some sanity around voice control/output is necessary for my next groove/percussion instrument beyond the Tempest.

The Tempest just doesn't have the connectivity to play well with anything for my flow. It's almost all Tempest or no Tempest for me. So things like the S2400 don't really appeal since I couldn't combine the two, and the S2400 would have the same problems with a different core sound and approach.

For that reason I just bought the MC-707 to see if it can replace my Tempest. The ability to VA synth and optionally hook up their sequence to a couple external analog synths might make up the difference. But I'm anticipating the overall sound won't match the Tempest, and I'll be left stuck with the Tempest forever 😭💚
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Off Topic / Re: Next New DSI Instrument
« Last post by narkosys on September 26, 2020, 07:03:28 AM »
The major store closest to me has the Dark at the same price as the puke pastel version.  I also noticed that they dropped the price of the Matrixbrute by $500 now that the Polybrute is coming out in a few months.
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Sequential Prophet X / Re: Polybrute Layer Morph in the PX?
« Last post by Tarjeijazz on September 26, 2020, 05:25:30 AM »
Yeah, morphing between two samples OTHER than crossfading..... I dont even know how to understand how that could be done with the PX update wise. But im sure if sequential would take on the challenge they could do it somehow. And im not saying they should. I think their efforts would be put to more use elsewhere. They are the experts after all 😊
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Off Topic / Re: Next New DSI Instrument
« Last post by LPF83 on September 26, 2020, 05:00:08 AM »
I prefer the fruit loops.

I prefer the fruit loops, too. And in Germany it seems like the Dark version costs 200 more?! I think that's very much for a "design option" ...

I prefer the dark look to multicolor, but I totally agree with you on the cost premium for minor design changes... It looks like price is the same in the US, wonder if that's an individual retailer or a Moog thing in Europe?  Honestly I can say the same for the Pro3 Special Edition.  If I ever do own a P3, I'd want the flip up top, and I expect wood on an analog synth, but a $500 price premium for just those two features seems a bit much.  We could call that Dave's tequila tax!..   still love the guy though.

At least the Pro3 SE has some kind of additional "functionality" with the adjustable panel and the wood ends are another material, so the price has to be different. I don't want to judge, if it's too much, or not... but it's OK that it is different...

But the Moog Dark Series is just another finish of the front plate I would guess. That should not make a big difference...

Agree, it shouldn't.  The dark version is a couple of hundred quids higher at Andertons as well, so it's not just in Germany.  That makes me wonder if Moog is encountering some new export expense that they have decided to try to recover on the dark versions rather than suffer the bad press of increasing the price of existing versions.
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Off Topic / Re: Next New DSI Instrument
« Last post by jok3r on September 26, 2020, 03:35:26 AM »
I prefer the fruit loops.

I prefer the fruit loops, too. And in Germany it seems like the Dark version costs 200 more?! I think that's very much for a "design option" ...

I prefer the dark look to multicolor, but I totally agree with you on the cost premium for minor design changes... It looks like price is the same in the US, wonder if that's an individual retailer or a Moog thing in Europe?  Honestly I can say the same for the Pro3 Special Edition.  If I ever do own a P3, I'd want the flip up top, and I expect wood on an analog synth, but a $500 price premium for just those two features seems a bit much.  We could call that Dave's tequila tax!..   still love the guy though.

At least the Pro3 SE has some kind of additional "functionality" with the adjustable panel and the wood ends are another material, so the price has to be different. I don't want to judge, if it's too much, or not... but it's OK that it is different...

But the Moog Dark Series is just another finish of the front plate I would guess. That should not make a big difference...
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Pro 3 / Re: Pro 3 and Grandmother
« Last post by rb415 on September 26, 2020, 02:00:40 AM »
I had a Grandmother for just over a year. Lots of fun because of its simplicity and directness, and a very pleasing bright and potent sound quality. But like MrSmith I have found the Pro 3 to be at least a match in terms of tone, and it's obviously massively more sophisticated in nearly all other respects. The GM was gratefully snapped up by a student. The main issue I saw with it was very poor control of short envelope attack times - it squeezed that crucial 0-50ms range into about the first 1mm of travel. On most synths (with digital control) the same is represented by a 1/3 or 1/2 turn of the pot. Several other units I tried in retailers were exactly the same. In the end I sent it for a custom mod at the Moog UK service centre, but they could not find a pot replacement or modification that gave more control over fast attacks without adversely affecting other aspects of timing or slope, and we abandoned the idea.

Currently I'm working through 3 banks of a SUB37 that I used for a live project, recreating patches on the Pro 3, before hopefully passing on that Moog too. Direct recreations are proving a little harder here because of the distinctive dark/rough SUB37 tone. Strangely the Pro 3's 12dB SVF often gets closer to the character, even if the SUB37 patch was in 24dB/oct mode.
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