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Prophet-5/Prophet-10 / Re: Prophet-5 and Prophet-10 Desktop Modules
« Last post by LPF83 on Today at 06:00:07 AM »
Alain, isn't it possible that your mind is playing tricks on you? Sometimes we overestimate things from the past, because in our memory has everything been better before. Be it synths, cars, or grandmothers apple pie. This often leads to too high expectations of things present, that can never be met.

I did never own a P5 and my opinion is therefore very unbiased. All videos I saw sound very Prophetish and very "wow" to me. And this "wow"-feeling is not smaller as when I watch videos of vintage P5s. But that's also not a very stable base for assumptions.

I would at least wait until there is a really good comparison video between a Rev4 and a Rev3 before you strengthen your opinion about it.

I thought the Neon Nights video (below) was pretty convincing.  In the cases where they don't sound identical, it can be attributed to very slight differences in knob settings.  For example depending on the sound, if poly mod filter amount is set to exactly 2, moving the knob a small amount above or below that number (so that the line is still visually pointing at 2), can have a major impact on the sound.  And I'm sure that manufacturing tolerances make sure that this makes it impossible for every Prophet to sound exactly the same (much less Prophets from two different eras).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tsV0eVijYY
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Prophet-5/Prophet-10 / Re: Prophet-5 and Prophet-10 Desktop Modules
« Last post by LPF83 on Today at 05:53:13 AM »
When I first heard my OB6 Desktop, a couple of years ago when I bought it, the first few patches I tried on it made me go "Wow!".
And those were only run-of-the-mill presets! Even my best friend who had bought the P6 heard the same thing, even though he prefers the overall timbre of the P6 over it. And that's perfectly fine with me. The P6 is a superb sounding synth also.

This new P5 hasn't made me go "wow!" yet, like my original P5 did, some years ago. And neither has my best friend either.

Which made me remember that I had brought my Prophet 5 rev3.3 to his house, and we compared it to his Prophet08 at the time, and there was absolutely no contest as to which one was sounding the best (according to our personal taste), side by side. Shortly after he sold his P08 and got the P6.

I have a similar reaction to the Oberheim sound in general as you describe with the OB-6, and its one reason that I bought it before my P6.  However, I believe that the general Obie sound is at its best when it is the only guy in the room.  Meaning, it does not fit into mixes as nicely as the Prophet 6, as a general rule.  The P6 is also much more versatile, and I believe in terms of possible capabilities (i.e. the total number of musical use cases it can excel in) is quite a bit greater than the OB6. 

Yet the Rev4 still has them both beat, comparing the sound of the dry Rev4 against the dry signal from OB6 and P6, turning off FX on those units.  I have also done some comparisons using FX plugins, same on each synth to be sure I'm comparing apples to oranges.

I will leave the Rev2 and P'08 out of the discussion for now, because my Rev2 is a great synth, but for purposes of depth and authentic vintage tone, it is not in the same league as the Rev4, its not really a fair fight.  Comparing them side by side would be consistent with the experience you describe, with the P5/10 sounding overwhelmingly better than the P08/Rev2.
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Prophet-5/Prophet-10 / Re: Old articles of interest
« Last post by HockeBocke on Today at 02:59:23 AM »
The key word (pun intended) here is nostalgia , so if you want some, take a look at
this old tribute site I found many years ago .... Do not know if it is active or not, but
pictures and text is still there   :)

http://users.telenet.be/prophet-5/main.htm

Cheers !
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Prophet-5/Prophet-10 / Re: Prophet-5 and Prophet-10 Desktop Modules
« Last post by jok3r on Today at 12:56:15 AM »
Alain, isn't it possible that your mind is playing tricks on you? Sometimes we overestimate things from the past, because in our memory has everything been better before. Be it synths, cars, or grandmothers apple pie. This often leads to too high expectations of things present, that can never be met.

I did never own a P5 and my opinion is therefore very unbiased. All videos I saw sound very Prophetish and very "wow" to me. And this "wow"-feeling is not smaller as when I watch videos of vintage P5s. But that's also not a very stable base for assumptions.

I would at least wait until there is a really good comparison video between a Rev4 and a Rev3 before you strengthen your opinion about it.
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Prophet Rev2 / Prophet rev2 keyboard + module polychaining
« Last post by dan2 on Today at 12:38:22 AM »
Hi,

I was surprised to discover that the prophet rev2 has no polychain.

I bought the 8 voice keyboard and a module version but can't play them together.
(I had several synths from DSI and they all had polychain so I didn't even consider it was not there...).

1. They don't sale the extension card where I live. nowhere to be found.

2. an external module is better for me than an extension card (more possibilities like taking just the module out or creating sounds you could just not create with a 16 voice).

Is it going to be implemented?

I would really like that feature... (with the Vintage knob haha)


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Thanks everyone, Can confirm mashing the button 100 times a day for a month, has solved the problem and all buttons now seem to work now.

Glad to hear that. Thanks for the follow-up.

I think it's a shame that DSI/Sequential used such notoriously unreliable components on a $3K+ instrument.


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OB-6 / Re: Anyone else having problems with the buttons not working sometimes
« Last post by jo on Yesterday at 09:00:30 PM »
Thanks everyone, Can confirm mashing the button 100 times a day for a month, has solved the problem and all buttons now seem to work now.
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Prophet-5/Prophet-10 / Re: Prophet-5 and Prophet-10 Desktop Modules
« Last post by AlainHubert on Yesterday at 07:27:30 PM »
When I first heard my OB6 Desktop, a couple of years ago when I bought it, the first few patches I tried on it made me go "Wow!".
And those were only run-of-the-mill presets! Even my best friend who had bought the P6 heard the same thing, even though he prefers the overall timbre of the P6 over it. And that's perfectly fine with me. The P6 is a superb sounding synth also.

This new P5 hasn't made me go "wow!" yet, like my original P5 did, some years ago. And neither has my best friend either.

Which made me remember that I had brought my Prophet 5 rev3.3 to his house, and we compared it to his Prophet08 at the time, and there was absolutely no contest as to which one was sounding the best (according to our personal taste), side by side. Shortly after he sold his P08 and got the P6.
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Prophet-5/Prophet-10 / Re: Prophet-5 and Prophet-10 Desktop Modules
« Last post by LPF83 on Yesterday at 06:11:12 PM »
I agree that if a patch doesn't require a lot of high-end harmonics, the new P5 can probably sound extremely close to a vintage P5. I can program patches on my REV2 that sound identical (99.8%) as a similar patch on my vintage Minimoog D. But there are several things that the Moog can do, that the REV2 simply can't match, and vice versa.

My main gripe about the new P5 is that, so far, when listening to basic, unfiltered, waveforms like the sawtooth, I don't hear the same "in your face" and "buzzy", "sharp as a knife" sawtooth that I remember from my own Prophet 5 rev3.3 back when I had it, that made me say: "Wow! That's impressive!".
That's all.

Our ears start shelving off the higher frequencies as we get older, so it would be a natural progression of the human ear for something to sound brighter in the past than in the present :)  No offense intended, but working from memory isn't quite scientific, especially when comparing something you heard personally to a Youtube digitization of same.

Also see the Starsky Carr video where he noted the effect of the keyboard tracking on the upper filter limit, when comparing it against the P6, some of the demos you've heard may not be accounting for this, I have yet to see a video where every aspect of the synth is really explored.  Then take into consideration there were some videos of the "dark prophets" (as they're being called now), pre-capacitor fix models in the first couple of hundred or so units made, most of which I'm guessing have been repaired by now.

Another factor to keep in mind is whether YT examples you hear have the Rev1/2 or 3 switch engaged.  When the filter  switch is set to Curtis (Rev3), on most sounds its going to let the highs in faster, resulting in a certain punch.  On some sounds this button makes all the difference in the world.  Also with the knobs, a fraction of a mm of travel can make all the difference in the world, especially with a 4 pole filter.

Maybe someone with both a Rev4 and a Rev3 will post some audio comparisons.  The biggest problem I see with comparisons is that the baseline for comparison is having the knob at the same value.  With manufacturing variance and other factors, sometimes very slight adjustments to knobs are needed from synth to synth to compare apples to apples.

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Prophet-5/Prophet-10 / Re: Prophet-5 and Prophet-10 Desktop Modules
« Last post by AlainHubert on Yesterday at 05:40:39 PM »
I agree that if a patch doesn't require a lot of high-end harmonics, the new P5 can probably sound extremely close to a vintage P5. I can program patches on my REV2 that sound identical (99.8%) as a similar patch on my vintage Minimoog D. But there are several things that the Moog can do, that the REV2 simply can't match, and vice versa.

My main gripe about the new P5 is that, so far, when listening to basic, unfiltered, waveforms like the sawtooth, I don't hear the same "in your face" and "buzzy", "sharp as a knife" sawtooth that I remember from my own Prophet 5 rev3.3 back when I had it, that made me say: "Wow! That's impressive!".
That's all.

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