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Title: News from Korg
Post by: Paul Dither on October 25, 2016, 01:15:24 PM
Via Twitter with the added note "What could it be?":

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvifLB1W8AAi4uE.jpg)

Funny how NAMM becomes less and less relevant for new announcements.

Will this be a full-sized Korg poly synth?
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on October 25, 2016, 01:59:38 PM
Only one question concerns me: key size.  Will it be a 2600?  Eh, I don't get excited any longer.  Once upon a time, I really liked Korg, but the redundant mini/slim key issue has totally turned me off their brand name.  Even the shrunken Odyssey Desktop is a bit of a disappointment for its small size.
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Paul Dither on October 25, 2016, 02:34:09 PM
The color stripes remind me of the PolySix and MonoPoly.
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Paul Dither on October 25, 2016, 03:06:21 PM
Only one question concerns me: key size.  Will it be a 2600?  Eh, I don't get excited any longer.  Once upon a time, I really liked Korg, but the redundant mini/slim key issue has totally turned me off their brand name.  Even the shrunken Odyssey Desktop is a bit of a disappointment for its small size.

I think what makes the 2600 less likely is that it's more complicated for licensing and consulting reasons. While Korg could get David Friend for their Odyssey (for which he was the lead designer), it would require getting in touch with Alan R. Pearlman himself for such an endeavour and to follow through a comparable approach that would give the whole project a similar authority. But Pearlman is said to be not very sociable these days.

As for the size: They could just omit the keyboard and only reproduce the synth itself at a size of 86%, which would still be big enough, since the original is quite bulky. They only had to add a MIDI input and a USB connection like on the other reissues, and updated CV connectivity (mini jacks). That way, everyone would be happy.
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: eXode on October 25, 2016, 03:09:31 PM
I'd LOVE an 8 voice "Maxilogue" with full size keys etc. But I just don't know what they're up to.

I mean it's not impossible, even though it feels improbable. Didn't the King Korg have full size keys? Anyway if you look at their releases from the Monotron up to now it seems that their own analog stuff is growing in size each year, so hopefully they didn't come to a halt with the Minilogue. :)
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: eXode on October 25, 2016, 03:12:24 PM
I think what makes the 2600 less likely is that it's more complicated for licensing and consulting reasons. While Korg could get David Friend for their Odyssey (for which he was the lead designer), it would require getting in touch with Alan R. Pearlman himself for such an endeavour and to follow through a comparable approach that would give the whole project a similar authority. But Pearlman is said to be not very sociable these days.

Alan is over 90 (born in 1925)! Not that age matters, but I think he has every right to be not very sociable. :)
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Paul Dither on October 25, 2016, 03:13:12 PM
I think what makes the 2600 less likely is that it's more complicated for licensing and consulting reasons. While Korg could get David Friend for their Odyssey (for which he was the lead designer), it would require getting in touch with Alan R. Pearlman himself for such an endeavour and to follow through a comparable approach that would give the whole project a similar authority. But Pearlman is said to be not very sociable these days.

Alan is 90+. Not that age matters but I think he has every right to be not very sociable. :)

Definitely!
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: DavidDever on October 25, 2016, 04:05:50 PM
Ehh, it's probably some cheesy digital piano with internet connectivity...or a WAVESTATION with analogue filters  ;D
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on October 25, 2016, 08:13:45 PM
Could the five stripes signify five voices?
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Paul Dither on October 26, 2016, 02:34:40 AM
...or a WAVESTATION with analogue filters  ;D

That would actually be pretty cool!
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Paul Dither on October 26, 2016, 02:51:48 AM
Could the five stripes signify five voices?

Maybe 6 if you compare the color scheme:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/89/KORG_Polysix.png)
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: chysn on October 26, 2016, 04:17:20 AM
I'll go on the record with my guess that it's an 01/Wfd reissue at 86%.
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Paul Dither on October 26, 2016, 04:18:43 AM
I'll go on the record with my guess that it's an 01/Wfd reissue at 86%.

Haha! With a true vintage floppy disk drive.
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: BobTheDog on October 26, 2016, 04:43:39 AM
It's about time they updated the Kronos but the way things are going I guess something analog with little keys is the most likely bet :(
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on October 26, 2016, 07:52:29 AM
...or a WAVESTATION with analogue filters  ;D

That would actually be pretty cool!

Yes, that could be a very popular instrument, and one of special interest to those of us who were hoping Dave Smith might issue a new Prophet VS-like design.
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on October 26, 2016, 07:58:05 AM
It's about time they updated the Kronos but the way things are going I guess something analog with little keys is the most likely bet :(

Considering that five stripes are the only hint/suggestion, I highly doubt it could be a 2600.  Besides, how many old school mono synths can a single company afford to offer?  It seems to me that Korg has already reached its limits.
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: eXode on October 27, 2016, 12:19:27 PM
I listened to (and watched) the Sonic TALK 469 Korg's Big Announcement Podcast.

While they don't reveal anything per se regarding the upcoming Korg announcement, the fact that Nick got contacted by Korg is telling in itself, in my opinion. Nick usually reviews synthesizers (keyboard and/or modulars/modules) so the fact that Korg offered him to sign a NDA to learn what it is tells that it's likely an synthesizer/keyboard of some sort.

Also, Non Eric talks about the possibility of it being an upgraded Minilogue with more voices and a couple of more features and makes an comparison, feature wise, between the Roland System-1 and System-8. I'm probably reading a little too much into this but I think I see a hint of a smile when he says talks about the possibility of an upgraded Minilogue, making me think that he might actually have taps on that it is indeed a big brother to the Minilogue.

Thankfully, the first of November isn't that far away so we'll all know (hopefully) pretty soon. If I was to wish: A full size key bed, building on the Minilogue foundation would be very nice! :)

/End of Speculation
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Paul Dither on October 27, 2016, 12:24:45 PM
I think Korg could easily compete with Behringer, if it would be something like an 8-voice poly with 2 VCOs. All the rest would basically depend on further features like LFOs and envelopes (not really talking about a gimmicky load of effects), whether it would have regular sized keys or not, and the availability. If Korg could pull it off to release such a synth in time for Christmas sales already, they could hurt Behringer quite a bit.
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: eXode on October 27, 2016, 12:51:32 PM
I think Korg could easily compete with Behringer, if it would be something like an 8-voice poly with 2 VCOs. All the rest would basically depend on further features like LFOs and envelopes (not really talking about a gimmicky load of effects), whether it would have regular sized keys or not, and the availability. If Korg could pull it off to release such a synth in time for Christmas sales already, they could hurt Behringer quite a bit.

Yeah. I've pretty much written off the Behringer anyway because I dislike the interface and the nerfed second oscillator. But if Korg releases an eight voice with full size keys, based on the Minilogue or similar, I would be very tempted indeed. :)
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on October 27, 2016, 01:39:53 PM
Talk of a larger version of the Minilogue is definitely of interest.  I actually like the sound of the instrument quite a bit; it's the size and appearance that kill it for me.  So, if Korg produces a full-sized analog mono synth, I'm interested. 

It's also getting close to winter NAMM time.  So, anything good that comes out now will have to be compared with whatever comes out at NAMM.  This would be a poor pre-order time.  I also hope and expect that DSI will have a big announcement

Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Paul Dither on October 27, 2016, 01:58:40 PM
Talk of a larger version of the Minilogue is definitely of interest.  I actually like the sound of the instrument quite a bit; it's the size and appearance that kill it for me.  So, if Korg produces a full-sized analog mono synth, I'm interested.

It would seem like the next logical step for Korg to do a full-sized poly synth.

It's also getting close to winter NAMM time.  So, anything good that comes out now will have to be compared with whatever comes out at NAMM.  This would be a poor pre-order time.  I also hope and expect that DSI will have a big announcement

That's like asking for too much reasoning.  ;)
Seriously, I think NAMM announcements are becoming less and less significant, which of course is linked to customers being able to make more and more erratic decisions due to the market becoming more saturated, especially in the lower price range and the one up to roughly $1,000. If you look back at 2016, you'll see a lot of announcements beyond NAMM.
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: eXode on October 27, 2016, 02:16:20 PM
It's also getting close to winter NAMM time.  So, anything good that comes out now will have to be compared with whatever comes out at NAMM.  This would be a poor pre-order time.  I also hope and expect that DSI will have a big announcement

It depends on what Korg have in store. Remember with the Minilogue the first batch was actually already on it's way to stores when they announced it at Winter NAMM. I think that was a brilliant move to be honest.
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on October 27, 2016, 02:36:10 PM
Seriously, I think NAMM announcements are becoming less and less significant, which of course is linked to customers being able to make more and more erratic decisions due to the market becoming more saturated, especially in the lower price range and the one up to roughly $1,000. If you look back at 2016, you'll see a lot of announcements beyond NAMM.

Yes, that's gradually becoming the case.  But still, people know there will be lots of goodies coming out of NAMM, so it still has its psychological hold.  And folks are prudently less willing to commit sums of money until they know what all the options will be.
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Paul Dither on October 27, 2016, 02:54:03 PM
Seriously, I think NAMM announcements are becoming less and less significant, which of course is linked to customers being able to make more and more erratic decisions due to the market becoming more saturated, especially in the lower price range and the one up to roughly $1,000. If you look back at 2016, you'll see a lot of announcements beyond NAMM.

Yes, that's gradually becoming the case.  But still, people know there will be lots of goodies coming out of NAMM, so it still has its psychological hold.  And folks are prudently less willing to commit sums of money until they know what all the options will be.

True. And it will always remain important to just check out new releases in person.
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Telstar on October 27, 2016, 03:39:19 PM
My wish is modest: colours! Most modern analog synths look boring.
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: dslsynth on October 27, 2016, 03:51:24 PM
But still, people know there will be lots of goodies coming out of NAMM, so it still has its psychological hold.  And folks are prudently less willing to commit sums of money until they know what all the options will be.

Yeah that is the essence of gearmas. Want to see what the options are. Would never want to invest at this time of year when there could be way better options in a few months. Well except for the rare cases where one is very sure about the choice.
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on October 27, 2016, 04:09:30 PM
Would never want to invest at this time of year when there could be way better options in a few months.

And that's the power of NAMM.  Personally, as of last year, I'm sick and tired of all the hype.  But even still, I know I had better wait and see.
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: dslsynth on October 28, 2016, 03:57:45 PM
And that's the power of NAMM.  Personally, as of last year, I'm sick and tired of all the hype.  But even still, I know I had better wait and see.

I can recommend my approach to NAMM shows: Wow at the new products, enjoy surfing the hype waves, initiate cold analysis of the products actual value - and run screaming away after looking at the price tags!

;)
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Lushr on October 28, 2016, 09:55:58 PM
I was told yesterday that it's going to be a polysix remake.

But I've also heard that "the people who know" have said its a bigger minilogue.

Either would make sense. Who says it's just one product?

I agree that synths in general need to make better use of colour.

Astronauts in the international space station have bright primary coloured layouts red, yellow, blue, to compensate for the lack of colour in their environment, but also to increase acuity.

It would be much easier to identify the LFO from the filter if they were written in different colours, rather than just all white.

I was using the Buchla easel yesterday and they use colour so you know what you're patching to and from. It's genius, it's simple, it requires a lot less text to explain the interface.

Plus I'll buy anything in red  ;)
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: vinnyburns1@mac.com on October 29, 2016, 02:51:46 AM
It will be a Korg Polysix but only 4 note poly and only a single solitary key keyboard (mini key of course)  :)

Or maybe this for the adventurous DJ :-)

(http://data.whicdn.com/images/22701315/large.jpg)
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Paul Dither on October 29, 2016, 06:07:14 AM
My wish is modest: colours! Most modern analog synths look boring.

Yeah, let's bring back the grafitti style!

(http://www.synthesizer.at/synthesizer/wavestation/images/korg_wavestation_22.jpg)(http://www.synthesizer.at/synthesizer/wavestation/images/korg_wavestation_07.jpg)(http://www.synthesizer.at/synthesizer/wavestation/images/korg_wavestation_06.jpg)

 ;D
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: eXode on October 29, 2016, 06:15:10 AM
(http://www.carbon111.com/photos/fiz.jpg)

<3
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: chysn on October 29, 2016, 07:38:28 AM
Plus I'll buy anything in red  ;)

Yeah, me too. I paid $50 extra to get my Little Phatty in red.

I'm pro-Polysix. I had a Polysix back in the 90s; its conductive rubber on the keyboard was pretty shot, and it was spectacularly out of tune. But it sounded great, and had a fun arpeggiator. I traded a TX81Z for it, straight up.

At this point, I think we just need to be resigned to mini keys from Korg. It's their thing now.
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: vinnyburns1@mac.com on October 29, 2016, 08:58:16 AM
At this point, I think we just need to be resigned to mini keys from Korg. It's their thing now.

You can be sure there will be a fly in the ointment. Manufacturers seem hellbent on looking at their rivals and releasing 'me too' products rather than giving the customers what they want.
So many gimmicky toys. Look at the amount of Roland JP/JX/JU and TR8's for sale secondhand already. Same with those mini yamaha toys.
I do think the last Roland releases were interesting (TR09 VP03 and the TB03) and at least looked to offer what the original units offered.
I think it's great that Korg are re releasing classics, just wish they would do them full size.
Maybe this one will set the trend? Hopefully.
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: BobTheDog on October 29, 2016, 11:07:03 AM
What would be great is if Korg went for a digital synth, they could just take the Mod-7 engine from the Oasys/Kronos and release it as a standalone synth.

Mod-7 is an amazing synth and it would be great that people didn't have to spend Workstation money to get one.

Some example sounds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPUfL34_Gvs&list=RDVPUfL34_Gvs#t=115

No bloody chance this would happen though.
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Paul Dither on October 29, 2016, 12:22:31 PM
What would be great is if Korg went for a digital synth, they could just take the Mod-7 engine from the Oasys/Kronos and release it as a standalone synth.

Mod-7 is an amazing synth and it would be great that people didn't have to spend Workstation money to get one.

Some example sounds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPUfL34_Gvs&list=RDVPUfL34_Gvs#t=115

No bloody chance this would happen though.

I agree on that one. It could also be relatively affordable and I'm sure that it would even attract those people who are thinking about a Yamaha Montage - at least those, who want nothing but a good FM synth.
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on October 29, 2016, 03:05:01 PM
I'd be happy with either a new Polysix, Mono/Poly, or even a Wavestation.  When the DSI Pro 2 first came out, some folks described it as a sort of modern Mono/Poly.  I thought that was a decent compliment. 
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on October 29, 2016, 03:15:43 PM
It will be a Korg Polysix but only 4 note poly and only a single solitary key keyboard (mini key of course)  :)

Or maybe this for the adventurous DJ :-)

(http://data.whicdn.com/images/22701315/large.jpg)

Well, at least you could still play a trill.  ;D
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Paul Dither on October 29, 2016, 03:18:38 PM
I'd be happy with either a new Polysix, Mono/Poly, or even a Wavestation.  When the DSI Pro 2 first came out, some folks described it as a sort of modern Mono/Poly.  I thought that was a decent compliment.

The MonoPoly is what I first had to think of as well when the Pro 2 was announced, which I guess was mostly related to the paraphonic mode. Otherwise, though, it's a rather huge understatement for the Pro 2.

As for Korg: I really hope that it's not necessarily a reissue. Maybe an instrument that builds on some legacy, but a new design. I remain skeptical due to the colors though, but I can still see the possibility for something like a new take on the PolySix and/or MonoPoly (as in: "inspired by" instead of "rebuilt"). I would also hope for a full-sized approach, especially if it's going to be more than a desktop module. - I'm not really in the market for anything right now, but it would just be nice to see the mini trend being interrupted at least.
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on October 29, 2016, 03:32:50 PM
I'd be happy with either a new Polysix, Mono/Poly, or even a Wavestation.  When the DSI Pro 2 first came out, some folks described it as a sort of modern Mono/Poly.  I thought that was a decent compliment.

The MonoPoly is what I first had to think of as well when the Pro 2 was announced, which I guess was mostly related to the paraphonic mode. Otherwise, though, it's a rather huge understatement for the Pro 2.

Absolutely!  But the similarities are in the size, number of oscillators, and paraphonic mode, and that's enough to justify the observation. 

I'd love to see the video that I thought would be so obvious - the side-by-side comparison of these two synthesizers.  I'd like to here the Monopoly's analog sound compared with the Pro 2's digital emulation.
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: vinnyburns1@mac.com on October 29, 2016, 03:41:56 PM

Well, at least you could still play a trill.  ;D

Haha. Just look how portable they made it too :-)
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on October 29, 2016, 03:43:07 PM
See this:

http://www.synthanatomy.com/2016/10/korg-1-november-new-volca-wavetable-and.html#!/2016/10/korg-1-november-new-volca-wavetable-and.html

Yet, there are no signs of those five stripes, so there must be more to come from Korg.
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Paul Dither on October 29, 2016, 03:43:44 PM
I'd love to see the video that I thought would be so obvious - the side-by-side comparison of these two synthesizers.  I'd like to here the Monopoly's analog sound compared with the Pro 2's digital emulation.

I assume that the verdict would be that the Pro 2 still sounds more modern. But I don't own a MonoPoly, otherwise I'd be up for it. And I think Marc Doty doesn't have his MonoPoly anymore, so that's not an option either. I guess the main problem to get something like this arranged is that both synths may attract very different users.
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on October 29, 2016, 03:44:15 PM

Well, at least you could still play a trill.  ;D

Haha. Just look how portable they made it too :-)

But is it polyphonic?  :D
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Paul Dither on October 29, 2016, 03:47:53 PM
See this:

http://www.synthanatomy.com/2016/10/korg-1-november-new-volca-wavetable-and.html#!/2016/10/korg-1-november-new-volca-wavetable-and.html

I believe that's fake. I mean not only is the joystick ridiculous at this size, but also the length of the microphone. The delays make also no sense at all.
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Paul Dither on October 29, 2016, 03:49:35 PM

Well, at least you could still play a trill.  ;D

Haha. Just look how portable they made it too :-)

But is it polyphonic?  :D

True 3-voice polyphony and much to David Guetta's delight: no power connection he has to worry about not plugging in.
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on October 29, 2016, 03:54:31 PM
See this:

http://www.synthanatomy.com/2016/10/korg-1-november-new-volca-wavetable-and.html#!/2016/10/korg-1-november-new-volca-wavetable-and.html

I believe that's fake. I mean not only is the joystick ridiculous at this size, but also the length of the microphone. The delays make also no sense at all.

Are you kidding me?  Something fake, unreliable, or incorrect on the Internet?  What, are you some sort of reactionary conspiratorial nut?!  ::)

You may be right.
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Paul Dither on October 29, 2016, 03:56:20 PM
Are you kidding me?  Something fake, unreliable, or incorrect on the Internet?  What, are you some sort of reactionary conspiratorial nut?!  ::)

You may be right.

I saw it in zee Internetz!
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Razmo on October 30, 2016, 12:13:41 AM
A module version of the Polysix would be cool... I really loved the sound of that thing when I had it.. but if they do, I hope they would begin to develop beyond the original features of their recreations... we live in an age, where people actualy use computers with their hardware gear. A Poly8 (at least), with a modulation matrix, and full MIDI support would be interresting, especially if they can get the SSM filters right.
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Razmo on October 30, 2016, 12:15:59 AM
A Wavestation with analog filters would also be cool... but I do not believe in it, unless it's Dave doing it... if it comes from KORG, I'll bet it would be 100% digital... not that I would mind that if it's engine was greatly enhanced with sample support.
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Lushr on October 30, 2016, 07:01:18 AM
Plus I'll buy anything in red  ;)

Yeah, me too. I paid $50 extra to get my Little Phatty in red.

I'm pro-Polysix. I had a Polysix back in the 90s; its conductive rubber on the keyboard was pretty shot, and it was spectacularly out of tune. But it sounded great, and had a fun arpeggiator. I traded a TX81Z for it, straight up.

At this point, I think we just need to be resigned to mini keys from Korg. It's their thing now.

Well my studio is getting crowded, and let's be honest I'm not that into parting with gear so mini keys it has to be! That's why I bought an A49 from Roland.

You can't imagine how many times I've wanted to paint all my synths red...

As for volcas, I'm dying for them to make a chiptunes one that switches between Sid, snes and Commodore 64. Arpeggiator of course.

I think the minilogue was a brave move to make something new instead of recreating an old hit, and improving on that would seem logical.
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Paul Dither on October 31, 2016, 11:32:34 AM
New video on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KORGusa/videos/10153938365061080/ (https://www.facebook.com/KORGusa/videos/10153938365061080/)

So it's definitely a synth…
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: BobTheDog on October 31, 2016, 12:10:51 PM
Sp Mono/poly or polySix reissue, or more likely a larger Minilogue?
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Paul Dither on October 31, 2016, 01:14:50 PM
Sp Mono/poly or polySix reissue, or more likely a larger Minilogue?

Can be any of those, really. Although the recording sounds to me more like a two oscillator machine. Either way, we'll know more tomorrow.
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: eXode on October 31, 2016, 02:24:14 PM
That was quite nice that was. I liked the bass and the detuned sound towards the end in particular.
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Paul Dither on October 31, 2016, 02:39:29 PM
It definitely has a nice bottom end.
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on October 31, 2016, 09:06:19 PM
The Korg Monologue and ARP Odyssei:

http://www.korg.com/us/

In addition to these, the KingKorg is now available in black.
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: BobTheDog on October 31, 2016, 11:31:18 PM
There go my 2600 hopes again!
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: chysn on November 01, 2016, 02:01:26 AM
Minimal.
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Paul Dither on November 01, 2016, 02:52:14 AM
(https://m.popkey.co/abf6c4/ZR90_f-maxage-0.gif)
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on November 01, 2016, 07:28:51 AM
There go my 2600 hopes again!

Ditto.  I don't think Korg is going to come through for us.  They're too much into the itty bitty stuff.  Great for Christmas stockings and back packs.  But then again, many of us don't put our synthesizers in stockings or back packs.
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on November 01, 2016, 07:31:17 AM
(https://m.popkey.co/abf6c4/ZR90_f-maxage-0.gif)

My exact sentiments.  There are no words, just face in palms.  Really - it comes in five different colors and runs on AA batteries?   

I was totally open to a new Korg instrument, but they are just a million miles away from my sort of synthesizer.  I even reconsidered the KingKorg.  Sure maybe it would sound better in black!  Nope.  Listening to a recent video, I realized it doesn't even come close to the Prophet '08.
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Paul Dither on November 01, 2016, 10:25:33 AM
There's currently a live Q&A session on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/synthesizers/comments/5ajurp/hello_were_korg_usa_and_we_sell_synths_and_synth/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/synthesizers/comments/5ajurp/hello_were_korg_usa_and_we_sell_synths_and_synth/)

As for the 2600, this anwer has been given, which rather sounds like a polite 'no' to me:

"I love the 2600! My friend Bubba has a TTSH and it's endless fun, and sounds amazing. A 2600 Korg reissue would for sure be amazing, but so much development would have to go into it, and it would probably be extremely difficult to execute, in terms of price point, production run, parts, distribution. Plus there are companies releasing clones already. It's definitely a fun idea though!"
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: dslsynth on November 01, 2016, 10:27:25 AM
So yet another instance of Circus Korg (TM)? To my ears it sounded really nice. But of cause I would love to hear better trained ears opinions about its sound.

What I don't get is why they don't make a module version if it.
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on November 01, 2016, 10:38:26 AM
There's currently a live Q&A session on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/synthesizers/comments/5ajurp/hello_were_korg_usa_and_we_sell_synths_and_synth/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/synthesizers/comments/5ajurp/hello_were_korg_usa_and_we_sell_synths_and_synth/)

As for the 2600, this anwer has been given, which rather sounds like a polite 'no' to me:

"I love the 2600! My friend Bubba has a TTSH and it's endless fun, and sounds amazing. A 2600 Korg reissue would for sure be amazing, but so much development would have to go into it, and it would probably be extremely difficult to execute, in terms of price point, production run, parts, distribution. Plus there are companies releasing clones already. It's definitely a fun idea though!"

Yeah, that certainly sounds like an indirect "No."  So be it.  I had nearly given up on the Korg ARP 2600 anyway.  And it irritates me to read the multiple references to "fun."  I realize for many people, music and synthesizers are just that - fun.  But I think this is where personal philosophies part ways, and for good reason.  I would never demean serious music or musical instruments by referring to them merely as a sort of game.  I consider noble culture to be far more important than that, and to have an important role in forming a well-developed mind capable of a selfless loftiness. 

As for fun, fun, fun...I think I now understand why Korg totally disinterests me.   
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Paul Dither on November 01, 2016, 10:41:51 AM
I think there are already some Korg emulating modules out there, like the MS-20 filter for example.

As for a neutral take on the new release:
Korg have definitely a wide array of modules/functions out there right now, so it will be interesting to see, whether all these small-scale instruments are turning out as a sort of warm-up for something bigger in the end.

What's definitely interesting about the Minilogue is the 2-pole lowpass filter that certainly gives it a distinct sound and a good bottom end. That'll also make it a serious contender for everything Acid I suppose. The grown motion sequencer and the alternate tunings are certainly welcome additions too. It's also interesting to see the return of an E to E keyboard as it was used on many Japanese vintage synths. Here of course it makes sense for the bass duties. I think it's probably a nice addition to the MicroBrute for everyone who's on a tight budget. The latter has the advantage of more CV connectivity though, but then the MicroBrute has no presets, only one oscillator, and not the same sequencer flexibility. So they can actually co-exist quite peacefully.
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Paul Dither on November 01, 2016, 10:49:13 AM
And it irritates me to read the multiple references to "fun."  I realize for many people, music and synthesizers are just that - fun.  But I think this is where personal philosophies part ways, and for good reason.  I would never demean serious music or musical instruments by referring to them merely as a sort of game.  I consider noble culture to be far more important than that, and to have an important role in forming a well-developed mind capable of a selfless loftiness. 

As for fun, fun, fun...I think I now understand why Korg totally disinterests me.

I wouldn't hang this too high. After all, Dave basically emphasizes the same aspect when he explains why he finds the name "Workstation" ridiculous, and how operating a synth should be fun and not work, which eventually leads to the development of easy to program instruments.
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on November 01, 2016, 10:57:14 AM
Yes, I remember those comments well.  But then look at the product.  What a difference for those of us who don't want merely to have fun.
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Paul Dither on November 01, 2016, 11:06:08 AM
Yes, I remember those comments well.  But then look at the product.  What a difference for those of us who don't want merely to have fun.

I get your point, but no one will be hindered in mastering a specific instrument. On a Minimoog that can mean to be able to create sounds quickly from one point to another, on basically any instrument with a WYSIWYG design, it can mean making creative use of all the parameters you have direct access to while you're actually playing (expanding on live controllers), and it can also mean just to know what you are doing and what every parameter can be used for. All of those examples require analytical thinking and a clear understanding of what a particular instrument is able to do and how it does that.
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: BobTheDog on November 01, 2016, 12:29:47 PM
There go my 2600 hopes again!

Ditto.  I don't think Korg is going to come through for us.  They're too much into the itty bitty stuff.  Great for Christmas stockings and back packs.  But then again, many of us don't put our synthesizers in stockings or back packs.

I'm not sure how handy you are with a soldering iron but it looks like the TTSH is going to have another run: https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=169949

I have my name down for the bits, even if I never and up making it I won't loose out money wise as they always sell for at least cost on eBay.

Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: BobTheDog on November 01, 2016, 12:32:40 PM
I think there are already some Korg emulating modules out there, like the MS-20 filter for example.

As for a neutral take on the new release:
Korg have definitely a wide array of modules/functions out there right now, so it will be interesting to see, whether all these small-scale instruments are turning out as a sort of warm-up for something bigger in the end.

What's definitely interesting about the Minilogue is the 2-pole lowpass filter that certainly gives it a distinct sound and a good bottom end. That'll also make it a serious contender for everything Acid I suppose. The grown motion sequencer and the alternate tunings are certainly welcome additions too. It's also interesting to see the return of an E to E keyboard as it was used on many Japanese vintage synths. Here of course it makes sense for the bass duties. I think it's probably a nice addition to the MicroBrute for everyone who's on a tight budget. The latter has the advantage of more CV connectivity though, but then the MicroBrute has no presets, only one oscillator, and not the same sequencer flexibility. So they can actually co-exist quite peacefully.

I must admit I am quite drawn to the Minilogue, if I had the space I would probably get one as some of the sound demos I really like.

Not sure about the Monologue though, I did see a rumour that it will be $300 so I guess they will sell quite a few.

Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: vinnyburns1@mac.com on November 01, 2016, 02:41:16 PM

Ditto.  I don't think Korg is going to come through for us.  They're too much into the itty bitty stuff.  Great for Christmas stockings and back packs.  But then again, many of us don't put our synthesizers in stockings or back packs.

Yes, absolutely spot on. What a joke. Why bother with that teaser when it's just more disposable toys?
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Paul Dither on November 04, 2016, 07:59:37 AM
Look at this, Sacred Synthesis:

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14980815_1802022720082503_6595122520430205608_n.jpg?oh=c654aac885ef3be6e67830e2ad50e006&oe=588FF8D8)

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/synthesizers/comments/5b3uqn/full_size_korg_arp_odyssey_on_the_horizon_pic/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/synthesizers/comments/5b3uqn/full_size_korg_arp_odyssey_on_the_horizon_pic/)
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: chysn on November 04, 2016, 08:05:31 AM
w...o...a...h...!
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: eXode on November 04, 2016, 12:42:22 PM
I sincerely hope they have fixed the triggering issue in that one.
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on November 04, 2016, 02:31:10 PM
Look at this, Sacred Synthesis:

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14980815_1802022720082503_6595122520430205608_n.jpg?oh=c654aac885ef3be6e67830e2ad50e006&oe=588FF8D8)

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/synthesizers/comments/5b3uqn/full_size_korg_arp_odyssey_on_the_horizon_pic/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/synthesizers/comments/5b3uqn/full_size_korg_arp_odyssey_on_the_horizon_pic/)

Thanks, Paul.  What a beautiful little creature.  And Exode has a good point.

I'll keep an eye out for this.
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: Paul Dither on November 04, 2016, 02:33:59 PM
I assume it might be a kit similar to the full-sized MS-20. See the note "assembled in New York."
Title: Re: News from Korg
Post by: DavidDever on November 04, 2016, 04:50:34 PM
I assume it might be a kit similar to the full-sized MS-20. See the note "assembled in New York."
Very good call....