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SEQUENTIAL/DSI => Prophet => Sequential Prophet-6 => Topic started by: Sacred Synthesis on October 19, 2015, 08:15:50 AM
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It's certain, so we might as well move all the Prophet-6 Module discussions over here.
I'm so happy to see DSI continue its tradition of providing synthesizer keyboards and the parallel modules, especially of the parameter-rich type. This particular module will answer the most common objection made about the P6; namely, it's four-octave keyboard.
The voice count makes it a bit odd. You couldn't quite pair it with a Poly Evolver, Tetra, or a Prophet '08; but I suppose it could provide that missing VCO character on a Prophet 12, making DSI's flagship a powerful tri-timbral six-voice monster with a little bit of everything.
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It would be just a little bit fun and smile provoking if DSI in their P6M intro video demonstrated stereo panned setup that you use. Maybe it could inspire others?
. o O ( cash flow noises )
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You know I would think it's a great idea - both by dumping the keyboard programs onto the module and then panning the identical sounds, as well as creating bi-timbral combinations. If this sounds so good on the P08, imagine how rich it would sound on a bona fide VCO synth.
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I shall try and save you from my usual voice architecture ramblings but it could get even better than that! 8)
And yes, filters in stereo can sound really good.
Going to get such a combo?
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I'd like to eventually get a Prophet-6 pair, but I'm not sure what I'll do, or when. I'm trying to envision the big musical picture. The fact is, the Prophet '08 is still the best all-round instrument for me. I'd like to get another module for a three-unit P08 system, and then build the whole set up around it. That would be the calm and rational thing to do, but new instruments always excite and cloud the thinking for a while. And I'm undecided what to do with the Poly Evolvers. Yes, they're fabulous in so many ways, but I also often find myself frustrated with them, usually because of aliasing or some other idiosyncrasy. I've presently got one up for sale, but it's just killing me!
I've been hoping to make major changes to my set up for a year now, but it's such an expensive thing to do, you really have to move prudently. I had wanted to add a Moog, but the P6 has me looking back to DSI again for the real VCO sound.
Whatever turns out, each instrument will be paired; of that much I'm certain. I'm glad DSI now has three full-sized instruments that can be paired.
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I'd like to get another module for a three-unit P08 system, and then build the whole set up around it. That would be the calm and rational thing to do (…)
;D
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Wise guy!
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I can see that it makes very much sense in your case, but taken out of context this statement sounded rather funny ;)
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Consider that I don't have all the boxes and gadgets that others have, but only the instruments themselves. My set up is quite sparse compared to the typical. Just the meat and potatoes.
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Consider that I don't have all the boxes and gadgets that others have, but only the instruments themselves. My set up is quite sparse compared to the typical. Just the meat and potatoes.
I'm curious, how do you see a "typical" setup then? I guess your setup is just more focused and ordered in your selection of "boxes and gadgets" when compared to others. After all, you do have modules and effects (boxes), a mixer I presume and some recording device (gadgets). Let's not forget your impressive pedalboard, which most people don't have.
I've started a topic on this… topic in the General Synthesis (http://forum.davesmithinstruments.com/index.php/topic,79.0.html) section. I'd love to more hear about your and others' setups there!
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What I mean is, everything in my set up pertains directly to a keyboard or bass pedalboard. All the synthesizer modules are triggered directly by keys or pedals; I don't use any of them as independent pieces. Other than that, I have one small mixer and an effects rack. For recording, I use a CD player that is not at the set up. That's it. When you look at many other set ups (probably excluding yours), you find computers, large mixers, multiple sequencers, drum machines, and all sorts of rackmount and pedal effects. Often, these pieces occupy more space than the keyboards, which are some times only small monophonic synthesizers. If I spent so much money on that sort of gear, I couldn't afford the instruments that are played by hand or foot. Hence, when I talk about a three-piece P08 system, I'm referring to the instrument on which I'll spend most of my time making music. In essence, I'm turning the instrument into an organ.
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Got it; totally forgot about instruments not directly/indirectly controlled via keyboards.
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Voilà: http://www.davesmithinstruments.com/product/prophet-6-desktop/ (http://www.davesmithinstruments.com/product/prophet-6-desktop/)
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Ventilation grilles on the back! When's the last time you've seen those on a synthesizer? Totally cool.
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Ventilation grilles on the back! When's the last time you've seen those on a synthesizer? Totally cool.
Ha! It's on the Prophet 12 desktop as well, just a bit smaller I guess.
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Looks like they've used every millimeter.
(http://www.davesmithinstruments.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/P6-Module-Top.png?b12b63)
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Ha! It's on the Prophet 12 desktop as well, just a bit smaller I guess.
Oh, that's right.
Still, it's just DSI/Sequential stuff I guess (until someone points out another example I missed).
And Poly-Chain is implemented, which will make certain forum members very pleased.
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It's on the Prophet 12 desktop as well, just a bit smaller I guess.
And Tetra got cooling holes on the side. So three DSI products currently. Soon to be two.
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Is the cooling holes thing going to become a new fetish?
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Looks like they've used every millimeter.
(http://www.davesmithinstruments.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/P6-Module-Top.png?b12b63)
Potentiometer spacing seems to be the same on as the Keyboard version, just the buttons are much closer now.
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Potentiometer spacing seems to be the same on as the Keyboard version, just the buttons are much closer now.
Yeah, but they did a pretty good job in making this a compact unit and keeping the hands-on design.
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And I'm undecided what to do with the Poly Evolvers. Yes, they're fabulous in so many ways, but I also often find myself frustrated with them, usually because of aliasing or some other idiosyncrasy.
Is that the Infamous Evolver Click (TM) that at times can be very easy to generate? Really hope the new generation DSI/Sequential instruments manage the underlying hardware better in order to avoid clicking.
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Potentiometer spacing seems to be the same on as the Keyboard version, just the buttons are much closer now.
I was wondering about that too. It turns out that there are four rows of pots/buttons on the module and three rows on the keyboard version. That does make the module more compact. Plus some other size related adjustments are made. I find the module layout way more logical/readable than the keyboard layout with the two bottom rows having oscillators/mixer/filters/amp, the one above modulations and the top row effects/arp/sequencer. Pretty well done, DSI!
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Well... that P6 module is on my "to do list" for next year for sure... I've been going 100% DSI over the last weeks, and are selling a lot of my monosynths currently because I only want high quality, feature rich, polysynths with proper MIDI specs, so there is practicaly nothing else but DSI to turn to.
Just sold my Pulse 2 and MOOG Slim Phatty... Next month my Yamaha EX5 will go as well... I need a new DSI synth with a keybed to be my new motherkeyboard as well, so next month, I'll be a Pro2 user as well.
I really like the P6 module layout, as I'm going to be tweaking a lot more during recording than I've ever done before... Hope the price will be around the same as the Prophet 12 module.
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so next month, I'll be a Pro2 user as well.
It might still be a bit early, but: Welcome to the club. I'd be interested to hear what you think about having a Pro 2 and a Prophet 12 module side by side.
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so next month, I'll be a Pro2 user as well.
It might still be a bit early, but: Welcome to the club. I'd be interested to hear what you think about having a Pro 2 and a Prophet 12 module side by side.
I'm sure I'll be happy... the filter possibilities on Pro2 is different enough that it will make for something unique.... besides I have plans on incorporating some alternative filters with it, as I'm now totaly void of any MOOG'ish filters in my setup... and I'm sure I'll enjoy the sliders on it, that I do not have on my P12 module, but have been missing since I got the P12. The only problem I've got with Pro2 is that it's not at least 61 keys, but I'll live, and I may get a Prophet 6 keys instead of the module if I find the Pro2 to be too little in that department.
Do like the nice compact layout of the P6 module though :)
I noticed on a picture recently, that the P6 keys have "voice cards" in it... 6 cards in sockets... that hits me that we'll probably see different configurations in the future, or maybe even something where you can initialy buy a single-voice, and expand with more polyphony.... that would be a wise choice because it makes DSI synths more affordable for people who do not have the full funds from the beginning... Hope this will be reality one day...
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I'm sure I'll be happy... the filter possibilities on Pro2 is different enough that it will make for something unique.... besides I have plans on incorporating some alternative filters with it, as I'm now totaly void of any MOOG'ish filters in my setup... and I'm sure I'll enjoy the sliders on it, that I do not have on my P12 module, but have been missing since I got the P12.
I was rather thinking along the lines of how well you think both do complement each other. After they dropped the price of the module recently, I was asking myself whether it would make sense to add it to a Pro 2 at some point and how well the module could be controlled by the Pro 2.
I noticed on a picture recently, that the P6 keys have "voice cards" in it... 6 cards in sockets... that hits me that we'll probably see different configurations in the future, or maybe even something where you can initialy buy a single-voice, and expand with more polyphony.... that would be a wise choice because it makes DSI synths more affordable for people who do not have the full funds from the beginning... Hope this will be reality one day...
I thought the same, especially after the Parva was announced to be available with different voices.
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Looks like they've used every millimeter.
(http://www.davesmithinstruments.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/P6-Module-Top.png?b12b63)
Oh, she is just beauuuuutiful! My Prophet '08 Module is jealous.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bBXcJOKxC8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bBXcJOKxC8)
Looks like they would have taken more time if nothing had leaked over the weekend. ::)
Anyway, thanks for the "very short announcement!" ;)
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It's getting a little excessive with the tequila now… It's not just one glass here and there, now we see Dave's whole collection (or maybe just a part of it)!
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Yes, and I think that might explain the closing chord!
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And I'm undecided what to do with the Poly Evolvers. Yes, they're fabulous in so many ways, but I also often find myself frustrated with them, usually because of aliasing or some other idiosyncrasy.
Is that the Infamous Evolver Click (TM) that at times can be very easy to generate? Really hope the new generation DSI/Sequential instruments manage the underlying hardware better in order to avoid clicking.
The clicking is a problem, but the digital aliasing is much more serious. Even something as basic as a string sound using all four oscillators becomes nearly unusable in the upper registers. I find myself turning to the Prophet '08 more and more.
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Looks like they would have taken more time if nothing had leaked over the weekend. ::)
Nope! Intentionally short and lo-fi per Dave ;)
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It's getting a little excessive with the tequila now… It's not just one glass here and there, now we see Dave's whole collection (or maybe just a part of it)!
It was a bit like "F**k it, here's our new synth! Back to business now..." It made me giggle.
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It's getting a little excessive with the tequila now… It's not just one glass here and there, now we see Dave's whole collection (or maybe just a part of it)!
It was a bit like "F**k it, here's our new synth! Back to business now..." It made me giggle.
Yes, like "…so we built the best poly-synth ever, but some of you didn't like the short keyboard, so here you go. We made this module, it's the same architecture, same interface and same great sound, whatever. Hook 'me up, if you like. See ya."
Gotta love Dave and the team! :D
Now I regret it even more that I didn't visit their office when I was in SF last month :(
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From the Website:
"Projected MAP for the Prophet-6 desktop module is $2,199."
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I'm sure I'll be happy... the filter possibilities on Pro2 is different enough that it will make for something unique.... besides I have plans on incorporating some alternative filters with it, as I'm now totaly void of any MOOG'ish filters in my setup... and I'm sure I'll enjoy the sliders on it, that I do not have on my P12 module, but have been missing since I got the P12.
I was rather thinking along the lines of how well you think both do complement each other. After they dropped the price of the module recently, I was asking myself whether it would make sense to add it to a Pro 2 at some point and how well the module could be controlled by the Pro 2.
I noticed on a picture recently, that the P6 keys have "voice cards" in it... 6 cards in sockets... that hits me that we'll probably see different configurations in the future, or maybe even something where you can initialy buy a single-voice, and expand with more polyphony.... that would be a wise choice because it makes DSI synths more affordable for people who do not have the full funds from the beginning... Hope this will be reality one day...
I thought the same, especially after the Parva was announced to be available with different voices.
Well, I'll have to get back to you about the control possibilities of the P12 module from Pro2... I won't know until I get one... actualy the only thing I need to control on the P12 module from the Pro2, is the slider function, which is not present on the P12 module... the P12 module is pretty easy to use, despite it's few knobs.
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I bet this introduction was hurried because the news leaked out prior... it was only a matter of time before those pictures would have hit places like "Synthtopia" and the like, and I bet Dave wanted to "be the first"... besides, what is there to explain, when it's "just" a replica of the keyboard version with added polychain functionality?
Anyway.... the price landed about where I estimated it would, so I'm getting one next year, when first bugs have been polished off, and any eventual board revisions have been changed.
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Ha! It's on the Prophet 12 desktop as well, just a bit smaller I guess.
Oh, that's right.
Still, it's just DSI/Sequential stuff I guess (until someone points out another example I missed).
And Poly-Chain is implemented, which will make certain forum members very pleased.
My Arturia Origin has as well, along with a fan!
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Is the cooling holes thing going to become a new fetish?
My Arturia Origin has as well, along with a fan!
Perhaps we should open a "Synth Detail Fetish" thread ;D
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Well, I'll have to get back to you about the control possibilities of the P12 module from Pro2... I won't know until I get one... actualy the only thing I need to control on the P12 module from the Pro2, is the slider function, which is not present on the P12 module... the P12 module is pretty easy to use, despite it's few knobs.
Cool, I would appreciate that. Other than that: yeah, I know that the module is fairly easy to handle - I translated the manual. ;)
Also, if one is already familiar with the architecture of the Pro 2, there's not too much unknown territory to discover.
Are there any other users on here that use both? BobTheDog?
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Looks like they've used every millimeter.
(http://www.davesmithinstruments.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/P6-Module-Top.png?b12b63)
Oh, she is just beauuuuutiful! My Prophet '08 Module is jealous.
I must admit that I love the layout of the module - top line fx and arp/sequencer, second line modulation, third and fourth lines the classic analog voice (oscillators, filter, amp). I'd argue that it's a more logical and better layout than the keyboard.
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I bet this introduction was hurried because the news leaked out prior...
Nope. See above answer. Intentionally lo-fi and quick per Dave. Video was already in the can before ADE.
besides, what is there to explain, when it's "just" a replica of the keyboard version with added polychain functionality?
THIS.
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I must say that the Prophet-6 module are among the prettiest products DSI have made so far. In fact if one compares the Prophet 12 and Prophet-6 modules one sees two different and yet similar approaches to user interface design each with their advantages and disadvantages on the visual and usability fronts.
Would I love to have a Prophet-6 module. Well, why not if someone can sell me one for $99? But honestly I would rather see the voice architecture being merged with the Prophet 12 voice architecture! . o O ( what else is new )
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I bet this introduction was hurried because the news leaked out prior...
Nope. See above answer. Intentionally lo-fi and quick per Dave. Video was already in the can before ADE.
besides, what is there to explain, when it's "just" a replica of the keyboard version with added polychain functionality?
THIS.
Chris? ... Carson?
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I'd argue that it's a more logical and better layout than the keyboard.
You are not the only one with that thought. Its indeed a nicely looking well sounding piece of credit card drain. ;-)
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I bet this introduction was hurried because the news leaked out prior...
Nope. See above answer. Intentionally lo-fi and quick per Dave. Video was already in the can before ADE.
besides, what is there to explain, when it's "just" a replica of the keyboard version with added polychain functionality?
THIS.
Chris? ... Carson?
As usual, Chris is "Pym," and Carson is "Cbmd".
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Not sure if this has been answered but how is the poly chain activated? Does it work automatically when connecting it to a Prophet 6 Keyboard or do you enable it via a global command? Can it also be disable so you can stack two sounds?
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Not sure if this has been answered but how is the poly chain activated?
Well if one cheats and look at the high resolution product images mentioned elsewhere on this forum the answer is very obvious (http://www.davesmithinstruments.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/P6-Module-Top.png) and in fact the same as in the other DSI products supporting poly chain.
I looked earlier today on DSIs support site for the Prophet-6 module and it still links to the keyboard manual. So one do indeed have to cheat!
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Poly chain is supported under the "MIDI Out" Global parameter.