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SEQUENTIAL/DSI => Tempest => Topic started by: dekalboy on August 29, 2016, 04:38:29 AM
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HEllo , since I practice more and more with my tmpest , I wish I have to see features for a better workflow or live performance .
Here it is :
- Memorize a beat when LOOP SCREEN is ON. It enable to loop just a portion a beat and suppose 2 same beats and 2 different pads , you could create really nice breaks with this feature
- in BEAT MODE : holding SHIFT would enable not to ear pitch and LF freq knobs mouvement in order to set to a particular value . Realease the SHIFT button would enable to ear the result .
- do you think it will be possible to send an entire BEAT into one of the 6 voices OUT ?
If you have others ideas , please write here !
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16 Bars.
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This topic deserves a sticky!After the release of the latest main OS i'm guessing DSI will have a low priority on new features for the Tempest but i'm crossing my fingers anyway...Poly Recording is my favorite!
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Copy a sounds sequence.
Right now you can copy the sequence from one beat to another or copy sounds from a beat to another beat. My life would be a lot easier if I could just copy the sequence of one sound from one beat to another beat.
Oh and the good ol individual time signatures for sounds, a polymeter.
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+10000 on that ^
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Source code for the firmware! That way they could move the burden of fixes and updates to the community and Tempest would live forever!
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Definately...
16 bars and Sound Sequence Copy between beats
Wish List!
I can only hope a Tempest V2 is made!!!!
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Source code for the firmware! That way they could move the burden of fixes and updates to the community and Tempest would live forever!
+1000 fort open sourcing it!
Dear DSI,
No One Will Steal Your IP And Make A Chinese Tempest, Instead They Will Make Your Product A Lot More Useful And You Can Sell More Hardware!
Or what are you afraid of seriously?
Pretty Please!
Thank you.
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Allow for 32 beats:)
Allow for more than 6 notes in the sequencer. Yes I know you can only have 6 voices but when copying a sound and sequence the sequence will not copy over if I already have 6 lanes used. I try to build the entire track in one beat. This will also help keeping sounds consistant should I decide to modify a sound later.
If more more than 6 sequencer lanes are possible then the ability to disable or enable a sequencer lane by greying it out. More useful than a mute.
Add mute states to playlist to save on repetative copies of beats.
Add Realtime controller lane for both note fx and beat fx in the sequencer so that the continous data is recorded instead of beinging aplied to the note.
Copy only selected sequence of a sound to replace or overlap notes within the same beat and or other beat.
Add the function of a one time hit to a note parameter. Ex: crash hits on the first beat but when the beat repeats itself it doesnt sound.
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This topic deserves a sticky!After the release of the latest main OS i'm guessing DSI will have a low priority on new features for the Tempest but i'm crossing my fingers anyway...Poly Recording is my favorite!
Limited polyphonic recording is already possible if (in 16 sounds mode) you copy a sound to more than 1 pad within Sound Bank A & adjust the pitch of each pad according to whatever scale you want to use. For example, using all 16 pads, each tuned to a different degree of a major or minor scale, you would have a range of just over 2 octaves. Tune them to one of the pentatonic scales and you'll have just over 3 octaves!
NOTE: You could use Sound Bank B instead but remember only pads within Sound Bank A can be triggered via MIDI, allowing you to record polyphonically using an external keyboard. Either way, the beat will still have an entire bank left over for any other sounds you want to use.
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Yes i know that already but it would be great if we were not forced to sacrifice pads in order to achieve poly rec.It's like going to a point by doing a circle.Wouldn't be much easier & faster to go straight ahead?
This topic deserves a sticky!After the release of the latest main OS i'm guessing DSI will have a low priority on new features for the Tempest but i'm crossing my fingers anyway...Poly Recording is my favorite!
Limited polyphonic recording is already possible if (in 16 sounds mode) you copy a sound to more than 1 pad within Sound Bank A & adjust the pitch of each pad according to whatever scale you want to use. For example, using all 16 pads, each tuned to a different degree of a major or minor scale, you would have a range of just over 2 octaves. Tune them to one of the pentatonic scales and you'll have just over 3 octaves!
NOTE: You could use Sound Bank B instead but remember only pads within Sound Bank A can be triggered via MIDI, allowing you to record polyphonically using an external keyboard. Either way, the beat will still have an entire bank left over for any other sounds you want to use.
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Just call this the "Tempest pointless request" thread, aint nothing gonna happen, and we are lucky Mr R.L got on board to get teh OS in a reasonably proper state.
still cant hurt to dream: sample import please...h h haa haarrrr
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Agree..+1
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You maybe right to a certain point but these kind of threads are giving the companies food for thought for their next V2 project :D
Keep it up people we're pushing the boundaries!
Just call this the "Tempest pointless request" thread
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Hey Guys,
You know the way the various sound types (lead, bass, noise etc) cause tempest to jump to the corresponding folder when the load sound encoder is tweaked? There's currently no way to jump directly to one of the 4 user folders using that method. That's a problem if you need to make an instantaneous switch mid-beat to a sound in one of the user folders. It is currently only possible once u have first set the encoder to the user folder in question & once u leave the beat, the folder assignment is not stored.
I guess u can work around it by placing the sound you want to jump to alphabetically first in one of the standard folders & set it's sound type accordingly, but obviousky u can only have 1 such sound per folder & due to the limited number of folders it would also probably lead to poorly categorised sounds. Being able to jump directly to the 4 user folders in addition would help alleviate this.
Cheers, J :)
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Source code for the firmware! That way they could move the burden of fixes and updates to the community and Tempest would live forever!
+1000 fort open sourcing it!
Dear DSI,
No One Will Steal Your IP And Make A Chinese Tempest, Instead They Will Make Your Product A Lot More Useful And You Can Sell More Hardware!
Or what are you afraid of seriously?
Pretty Please!
Thank you.
I think there are 10 different processors in the Tempest.
A while ago a guy set up a crowdsourcing thingy to get the $1000 required for the dev kit for just one of these processors in order to work on sample import. The DSI dev guy said that he would give technical help if the guy got the dev kit.
I think he managed to get a few dollars, total failure.
It's not an intel chip in a box running linux that part time programmers can realistically deal with.
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The trick to sample import is to submerse your tempest in a bucket of water for 10 days. Scotch can shave off a few days.
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Source code for the firmware! That way they could move the burden of fixes and updates to the community and Tempest would live forever!
+1000 fort open sourcing it!
Dear DSI,
No One Will Steal Your IP And Make A Chinese Tempest, Instead They Will Make Your Product A Lot More Useful And You Can Sell More Hardware!
Or what are you afraid of seriously?
Pretty Please!
Thank you.
I think there are 10 different processors in the Tempest.
A while ago a guy set up a crowdsourcing thingy to get the $1000 required for the dev kit for just one of these processors in order to work on sample import. The DSI dev guy said that he would give technical help if the guy got the dev kit.
I think he managed to get a few dollars, total failure.
It's not an intel chip in a box running linux that part time programmers can realistically deal with.
Probably a PIC processor or maybe even some type of ARM processors.
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The main MCU is a PIC32 but as I said there are many different processors.
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Hi all,
After speaking to DSI support I was made aware that the Midi standard is to have midi clock running continuously even if the Tempest is in Stop mode.
I could put a request forward to have it..... Possibly.... but unlikely added to a later firmware but I let it be at that time.
Just asking, Is this a worthy request for other users or is every one using Tempest as a Master clock happy for it to run all the time?
I have a Korg Poly 61 using a Doepfer MSY2 to trigger its Arpeggiator in and the Tempest will keep sending clocks even while stopped therefore running the Korgs arpeggiator constantly.
I know we are hoping to have the real bugs/issues fixed with Tempest but is this only common to my setup or is it worth pushing for a selectable Midi clocks sent 1) Always or 2) On run/record only?
I can utilise the Mixers audio mute for the Korg but thought I would ask how other people if any work around this.
My computer based sequencer (Anvil Studio) only sends clocks and selectable divisions of that only when running.
Anyway thought I would gauge the interest if any in this.
Cheers
Tim
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Thanks Yorgos. :)
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I LOVE THIS MACHINE, AND I LOVE IT MORE AND MORE AFTER OS 1.4
some ideas:
- 32 beats (would be nice but not a big priority for me.)
- Changing projects without playback stopped (for live stuff..)
- Polyphonic recording in 16 tunings mode (this can make a huge difference)
- Shift+"any" button+pad tu set Quantize value for notes and Arp/Roll.
- Shift+"any" button+pad tu set Octave in 16 Tunings mode (similar to Beatstep).
- Footswitch can act as trigger for a specific pad (like roland spd..)
- Reset "beat-wide parameters function after heavy live tweekings (shift+"any button)
Guys You Rock!
;D ;D ;D
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This one's already there...Just press Revert button (at left under the screen) ;)
- Reset "beat-wide parameters function after heavy live tweekings (shift+"any button)
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Polyphonic recording would be awesome! - But It will never happen I guess :( Even PYM stated that the Tempests backend is capable of doing it. It was mentioned the UI implemtation will break the consistency of th UI an therefor the user experience.
Another thing would be individual swing per track.
But you know I am realy happy that we will get the bugs fixed.
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MIDI CC control for Beat FX 1-8 (individual external control of each of the eight Beat FX that can currently only be controlled by the FX sliders). In some ways this would be more valuable than CC control of the Beat-Wide Parameters which has already been implemented.
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It's been there since OS 1.3.1.6 mate ;)
Added BeatFX to CC on main MIDI channel as follows:
CC# 12 - Distortion
CC# 13 - Compression
CC# 19 - a value other than 0 reverts Beat FX params to defaults
CC# 20 - Beat FX All Osc Frequency
CC# 21 - Beat FX Feedback
CC# 22 - Beat FX Lowpass Filter Cutoff
CC# 23 - Beat FX Lowpass Filter Resonance
CC# 24 - Beat FX Lowpass Filter Audio Mod
CC# 25 - Beat FX Highpass Filter Cutoff
CC# 26 - Beat FX All Env Attack
CC# 27 - Beat FX All Env Decay
MIDI CC control for Beat FX 1-8 (individual external control of each of the eight Beat FX that can currently only be controlled by the FX sliders). In some ways this would be more valuable than CC control of the Beat-Wide Parameters which has already been implemented.
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It's been there since OS 1.3.1.6 mate ;)
Added BeatFX to CC on main MIDI channel as follows:
CC# 12 - Distortion
CC# 13 - Compression
CC# 19 - a value other than 0 reverts Beat FX params to defaults
CC# 20 - Beat FX All Osc Frequency
CC# 21 - Beat FX Feedback
CC# 22 - Beat FX Lowpass Filter Cutoff
CC# 23 - Beat FX Lowpass Filter Resonance
CC# 24 - Beat FX Lowpass Filter Audio Mod
CC# 25 - Beat FX Highpass Filter Cutoff
CC# 26 - Beat FX All Env Attack
CC# 27 - Beat FX All Env Decay
MIDI CC control for Beat FX 1-8 (individual external control of each of the eight Beat FX that can currently only be controlled by the FX sliders). In some ways this would be more valuable than CC control of the Beat-Wide Parameters which has already been implemented.
You misunderstood what I was suggesting. Indeed, MIDI CC has been in place for the "Beat-Wide Parameters", which in the list you share are confusingly labeled as "Beat FX".
What would be great would be for the assignments that you have put to the Beat FX Sliders to be controlled by external CC. For the Beat FX Sliders there are 8 slots (Beat FX1, Beat FX2, Beat FX3, Beat FX4, Beat FX5, Beat FX6, Beat FX7, Beat FX8) that can be programed for many different things and routed to the FX sliders as either +/-, + or Pressure. If you could control each of the 8 Beat FX with external CC it would greatly expand the flexibility of what you could control externally. Imagine, for example, if you set one of your Beat FX to Beat Roll and then externally set up multiple momentary MIDI buttons to control the same CC value but send different static numbers from 1-127. You could have a momentary push button for 8th roll, another for 16th roll, another for 32nd roll and so on. This would be worth it alone!
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Now i get it :P
Ye it would be great to also have this...
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MIDI CC control for Beat FX 1-8 (individual external control of each of the eight Beat FX that can currently only be controlled by the FX sliders). In some ways this would be more valuable than CC control of the Beat-Wide Parameters which has already been implemented.
This would open up a new world for me!
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It's been there since OS 1.3.1.6 mate ;)
Added BeatFX to CC on main MIDI channel as follows:
CC# 12 - Distortion
CC# 13 - Compression
CC# 19 - a value other than 0 reverts Beat FX params to defaults
CC# 20 - Beat FX All Osc Frequency
CC# 21 - Beat FX Feedback
CC# 22 - Beat FX Lowpass Filter Cutoff
CC# 23 - Beat FX Lowpass Filter Resonance
CC# 24 - Beat FX Lowpass Filter Audio Mod
CC# 25 - Beat FX Highpass Filter Cutoff
CC# 26 - Beat FX All Env Attack
CC# 27 - Beat FX All Env Decay
MIDI CC control for Beat FX 1-8 (individual external control of each of the eight Beat FX that can currently only be controlled by the FX sliders). In some ways this would be more valuable than CC control of the Beat-Wide Parameters which has already been implemented.
You misunderstood what I was suggesting. Indeed, MIDI CC has been in place for the "Beat-Wide Parameters", which in the list you share are confusingly labeled as "Beat FX".
What would be great would be for the assignments that you have put to the Beat FX Sliders to be controlled by external CC. For the Beat FX Sliders there are 8 slots (Beat FX1, Beat FX2, Beat FX3, Beat FX4, Beat FX5, Beat FX6, Beat FX7, Beat FX8) that can be programed for many different things and routed to the FX sliders as either +/-, + or Pressure. If you could control each of the 8 Beat FX with external CC it would greatly expand the flexibility of what you could control externally. Imagine, for example, if you set one of your Beat FX to Beat Roll and then externally set up multiple momentary MIDI buttons to control the same CC value but send different static numbers from 1-127. You could have a momentary push button for 8th roll, another for 16th roll, another for 32nd roll and so on. This would be worth it alone!
Yes and I feel that area has been sadly neglected, so much more is possible with a few tweaks and updates.....and hence my support in another thread for the "scatter" effect on the roland MX 1 (which is much more advanced than what was put on the TR-8)
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Have an Auto clock setting like Korg has. My MS2000r can be set Auto, int, or ext. I keep it on auto so when an external clock is present, it switches over from internal.
If possible add a 909 open hi hat sample.
Make the load sound knob not reset back to sound one when finding sounds on multiple pads. Example finding a kick and snare at the same time. If you found a snare at like 54 then hitting the bass pad, deciding to change the snare will reset back to the first sound. I really hate that.
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I hate that too a workflow killer!Please Chris change it to how it was...
Make the load sound knob not reset back to sound one when finding sounds on multiple pads. Example finding a kick and snare at the same time. If you found a snare at like 54 then hitting the bass pad, deciding to change the snare will reset back to the first sound. I really hate that.
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I hate that too a workflow killer!Please Chris change it to how it was...
Make the load sound knob not reset back to sound one when finding sounds on multiple pads. Example finding a kick and snare at the same time. If you found a snare at like 54 then hitting the bass pad, deciding to change the snare will reset back to the first sound. I really hate that.
Agree - one of my biggest annoyances
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Bump
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Is there a possibility to modulate waveform (or better say - chose sample ) via LFO/ENVELOPE in the digital OSCs of Tempest? If not, why not to implement it?
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MOD MATRIX Destination, Voltage Control (Expression) or Auxiliary Envelope Control over PEAK setting in the respective envelopes would enhance the greatness. So would more MOD PATHS in general.
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I hate that too a workflow killer!Please Chris change it to how it was...
Make the load sound knob not reset back to sound one when finding sounds on multiple pads. Example finding a kick and snare at the same time. If you found a snare at like 54 then hitting the bass pad, deciding to change the snare will reset back to the first sound. I really hate that.
I agree that the Load Sound encoder should simply pick-up in the file list wherever it was last left. However, gentlemen, it has always reset to the start of the list when auditioning sounds on multiple pads; the only change is that it now starts over alphabetically (smirk). Anyway, yes, it's a pain and ideally it should be changed.
Cheers!
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It's been there since OS 1.3.1.6 mate ;)
Added BeatFX to CC on main MIDI channel as follows:
CC# 12 - Distortion
CC# 13 - Compression
CC# 19 - a value other than 0 reverts Beat FX params to defaults
CC# 20 - Beat FX All Osc Frequency
CC# 21 - Beat FX Feedback
CC# 22 - Beat FX Lowpass Filter Cutoff
CC# 23 - Beat FX Lowpass Filter Resonance
CC# 24 - Beat FX Lowpass Filter Audio Mod
CC# 25 - Beat FX Highpass Filter Cutoff
CC# 26 - Beat FX All Env Attack
CC# 27 - Beat FX All Env Decay
MIDI CC control for Beat FX 1-8 (individual external control of each of the eight Beat FX that can currently only be controlled by the FX sliders). In some ways this would be more valuable than CC control of the Beat-Wide Parameters which has already been implemented.
You misunderstood what I was suggesting. Indeed, MIDI CC has been in place for the "Beat-Wide Parameters", which in the list you share are confusingly labeled as "Beat FX".
What would be great would be for the assignments that you have put to the Beat FX Sliders to be controlled by external CC. For the Beat FX Sliders there are 8 slots (Beat FX1, Beat FX2, Beat FX3, Beat FX4, Beat FX5, Beat FX6, Beat FX7, Beat FX8) that can be programed for many different things and routed to the FX sliders as either +/-, + or Pressure. If you could control each of the 8 Beat FX with external CC it would greatly expand the flexibility of what you could control externally. Imagine, for example, if you set one of your Beat FX to Beat Roll and then externally set up multiple momentary MIDI buttons to control the same CC value but send different static numbers from 1-127. You could have a momentary push button for 8th roll, another for 16th roll, another for 32nd roll and so on. This would be worth it alone!
Yes and I feel that area has been sadly neglected, so much more is possible with a few tweaks and updates.....and hence my support in another thread for the "scatter" effect on the roland MX 1 (which is much more advanced than what was put on the TR-8)
FYI Beat FX are controllable via the 2 footswitch inputs, & don't forget that those inputs also accept CV. So, if you have a MIDI to CV convertor (e.g. Kenton) then you have MIDI control over 2 of your Beat FX, plus a whole host of other things you can assign the footswitches to.....
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It's been there since OS 1.3.1.6 mate ;)
Added BeatFX to CC on main MIDI channel as follows:
CC# 12 - Distortion
CC# 13 - Compression
CC# 19 - a value other than 0 reverts Beat FX params to defaults
CC# 20 - Beat FX All Osc Frequency
CC# 21 - Beat FX Feedback
CC# 22 - Beat FX Lowpass Filter Cutoff
CC# 23 - Beat FX Lowpass Filter Resonance
CC# 24 - Beat FX Lowpass Filter Audio Mod
CC# 25 - Beat FX Highpass Filter Cutoff
CC# 26 - Beat FX All Env Attack
CC# 27 - Beat FX All Env Decay
MIDI CC control for Beat FX 1-8 (individual external control of each of the eight Beat FX that can currently only be controlled by the FX sliders). In some ways this would be more valuable than CC control of the Beat-Wide Parameters which has already been implemented.
You misunderstood what I was suggesting. Indeed, MIDI CC has been in place for the "Beat-Wide Parameters", which in the list you share are confusingly labeled as "Beat FX".
What would be great would be for the assignments that you have put to the Beat FX Sliders to be controlled by external CC. For the Beat FX Sliders there are 8 slots (Beat FX1, Beat FX2, Beat FX3, Beat FX4, Beat FX5, Beat FX6, Beat FX7, Beat FX8) that can be programed for many different things and routed to the FX sliders as either +/-, + or Pressure. If you could control each of the 8 Beat FX with external CC it would greatly expand the flexibility of what you could control externally. Imagine, for example, if you set one of your Beat FX to Beat Roll and then externally set up multiple momentary MIDI buttons to control the same CC value but send different static numbers from 1-127. You could have a momentary push button for 8th roll, another for 16th roll, another for 32nd roll and so on. This would be worth it alone!
Yes and I feel that area has been sadly neglected, so much more is possible with a few tweaks and updates.....and hence my support in another thread for the "scatter" effect on the roland MX 1 (which is much more advanced than what was put on the TR-8)
FYI Beat FX are controllable via the 2 footswitch inputs, & don't forget that those inputs also accept CV. So, if you have a MIDI to CV convertor (e.g. Kenton) then you have MIDI control over 2 of your Beat FX, plus a whole host of other things you can assign the footswitches to.....
Good point!
Just checked the specs on the DSI website and as follows:
Two pedal/control voltage (3.3 VDC max.) input (1/4″ TRS phone jack)
So guess I just have to keep my Pro-solo/cv output device within the 0-3.3v range and go TS-TRS conversion.
Worth exploring!
Thanks.
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I'm not holding out much hope but here are a few things from me ;)
1. pre/post filter on the digital oscs as a modulation destination
2. In '16 Timesteps' mode record the value of the FX sliders when a step is turned on. Instant poor man's parameter locking.
3. Add a 'switch' (aka 'wave reset') that changes the 'mix law' of the analog oscs so that 50/50 means both oscs at full volume rather than both oscs at 50%. This would have a number of benefits, the main one (from my perspective) being the ability to control the volume of one analog oscillator without affecting the other (one of my main annoyances when doing sound design on the Tempest).
4. Add a way to 'lock' the mod paths screen, e.g. shift+bottom left soft button. This would make tweaking the mod paths whilst tweaking other 'direct access' parameters a whole lot easier. I always run into this when modding an envelope's decay by itself. Usually I'd want to edit the envelopes decay at the same time as doing this and it's really irritating the way the screen (and therefore the soft knobs) keeps switching back to the envelope screen and making the soft knobs redundant!
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Those last requests are awesome. Especially #1 and #4
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Polymeter (by watching drumbrute simple and efficient results with this capability) simple to implement ?
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Speaking of the DrumBrute and its ability to have individual track lengths creating the opportunity for unique polyrhythms... This, of course would be awesome on the Tempest. I imagine it to be way more difficult because the Tempest isn't simply a 16 step sequencer. It's complex sequencer design is probably at the core of why I musically connect with the device. Being able to drop in a burst of 32nd notes wherever I want exactly as I played them is nothing I can accomplish on the Rytm and certainly wouldn't happen on the DrumBrute. It's a player centric device, and I love that.
Seeing the DrumBrute and the stir it has created makes me think about the Tempest and DSI's perspective on just how much time and resources they want to dedicate to its completion. I think there would be high value for them to dedicate themselves fully to the perfection of the device. Since its introduction, many new features have been added that were never advertised... yes, a few things were lost that were promised... but all in all... this thing is leaps and bounds more capable than the DrumBrute and radically different than most other drum machines. Why not make all the little bugs go away, consider adding some of the extra features that are doable, and then have some sort of rerelease of the product with the support of the many users that have been the beta testers and contributors for the first 5 years of its life. I'm suggesting that DSI would look at the Tempest not as a pain in the ass product whose continued development eats into profits and new product development, but rather as a product that can create new revenue and help shape DSI's reputation. I would love to see Dave proudly talking about this instrument rather than timidly avoiding the topic because of known flaws.
One can only dream (and only so much on behalf of someone else).
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Also... Saving the settings of the FX Sliders with each sound is essential. Designing how those work is a major part of designing a successful sound you want to perform with... and, in my opinion, takes the place of needing parameter locks.
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Thank you Stoss for sharing your opinion on polymeter topic... it seems the drumbrute might be a good companion for the tempest (which I love as it is already today but would love DSI continues to support it and enhance it )
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Also... Saving the settings of the FX Sliders with each sound is essential. Designing how those work is a major part of designing a successful sound you want to perform with... and, in my opinion, takes the place of needing parameter locks.
+1
Amen to that, Stoss! I've been campaigning for that since day one. I will never understand how it was envisioned to work, having a single set of Note FX parameters meant to manipulate multiple sounds. Indeed the way Note FX interact with a given sound is a delicate and crucial balancing act, specific to each sound. Then to have those parameters saved at the 'Beat' level instead of with the sounds themselves... It's an awkward implementation to be sure.
On a side note - speaking of the DrumBrute - if anyone is looking for an affordable companion for the Tempest, one that can achieve polymeter sequences quickly and intuitively, the Korg E2 should not be overlooked. I know the drums are sample based; but seriously, with all the synth parameters and FX onboard, it's a very flexible [supplementary] drum machine with a far superior sequencer to the DrumBrute. For a few hundred bucks anyway, you really can't go wrong. It really does compensate well for the Tempest's shortcomings, both as a synth and a drum machine.
Don't get me wrong, I'll probably cave and get a DrumBrute too (smirk).
Cheers!
P.S. If you're a true geek, and not faint of heart, you can also visit my tutorials on polyrhythm and polymeter here:
http://dsiforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=6236
And remember, folks, you can record with the quantize 'OFF' on the Tempest; so if you're a real player, you can do any rhythm your fingers can handle (wink).
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As an alternative to having individual "track" lengths (which the Tempest's sequencer was not designed to do), a simple way to facilitate the creation of polyrhythms would be to include grid and roll quantize values for 5's, 7's, and 9's in both 1/4 and 1/8 note time divisions. Granted, that wouldn't cover polymeters per se, but it would be a step in the right direction (pun intended).
(smirk)
Cheers!
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Also... Saving the settings of the FX Sliders with each sound is essential. Designing how those work is a major part of designing a successful sound you want to perform with... and, in my opinion, takes the place of needing parameter locks.
+1
I ranted (a bit hysterically) about this here
http://dsiforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=5399&p=45127#p45127
which is a good summary of the issue....
IMO this is the biggest workflow problem with the T... the other being copying sounds with sequence to other beats.
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Feature Request:
Beat roll two tempests together.
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#1
pre/post filter on the digital oscs as a modulation destination
+1
#2 Is there a possibility to modulate waveform (or better say - chose sample ) via LFO/ENVELOPE in the digital OSCs of Tempest?
+1
#3 LFO shapes as destination
#4 Glide and Peak to Mod Destination
#5 don't work modulation LFO Rate by Mod Path when LFO in Sync mode
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Speaking of the DrumBrute and its ability to have individual track lengths creating the opportunity for unique polyrhythms... This, of course would be awesome on the Tempest. I imagine it to be way more difficult because the Tempest isn't simply a 16 step sequencer. It's complex sequencer design is probably at the core of why I musically connect with the device. Being able to drop in a burst of 32nd notes wherever I want exactly as I played them is nothing I can accomplish on the Rytm and certainly wouldn't happen on the DrumBrute. It's a player centric device, and I love that.
Seeing the DrumBrute and the stir it has created makes me think about the Tempest and DSI's perspective on just how much time and resources they want to dedicate to its completion. I think there would be high value for them to dedicate themselves fully to the perfection of the device. Since its introduction, many new features have been added that were never advertised... yes, a few things were lost that were promised... but all in all... this thing is leaps and bounds more capable than the DrumBrute and radically different than most other drum machines. Why not make all the little bugs go away, consider adding some of the extra features that are doable, and then have some sort of rerelease of the product with the support of the many users that have been the beta testers and contributors for the first 5 years of its life. I'm suggesting that DSI would look at the Tempest not as a pain in the ass product whose continued development eats into profits and new product development, but rather as a product that can create new revenue and help shape DSI's reputation. I would love to see Dave proudly talking about this instrument rather than timidly avoiding the topic because of known flaws.
One can only dream (and only so much on behalf of someone else).
I agree!
I think by fixing the bugs and the addition of new features it puts the Tempest ahead and in a new light. It's still a very unique product.
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I suggest proper external control of mute states. At the moment there is no way to send a definitive mute on/off command to the T, because without looking (visually) its impossible to tell which pads are muted and which aren't.
So how about an option for momentary external control of pad mutes, where a velocity of 0 mutes and 127 unmutes?
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1/64th and 1/64T Quantization
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+1 on Polymeter. And new sample banks! Maybe its not possible for individual owners to load their own samples due to standardization and bugs, i can get it. But then you might think of releasing sound packs :)
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Get Yorgos on the sound pack design team;)
As for samples....what samples does anyone really need? I may obtuse but adding more samples doesnt necessarily mean you now end up with an Acces Virus synth.
I'd like to hear from Yorgos on his thoughts about additional samples. How does this help make better sounds?
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Thanks for the compliments LucidSFX :D If they want me there in San Francisco creating patches and contributing 24/7 i'm all in!It's one of my favorite cities after all 8)
Basically from what i understand users want to take advantage of Tempest's powerful synth engine and be able to have access to a wide palet of sounds both "bread & butter" and modern..Also these sounds must be usable when someone applies beat wide FX,reverse and such and don't want to ruin a mix or blowing out the speakers.That's what i had in mind when i was working on the 808 kit.Something to be instantly fun & playable.That's what Tempest is in it's soul and that's what all us users want after all... ;)
Get Yorgos on the sound pack design team;)
As for samples....what samples does anyone really need? I may obtuse but adding more samples doesnt necessarily mean you now end up with an Acces Virus synth.
I'd like to hear from Yorgos on his thoughts about additional samples. How does this help make better sounds?
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Thanks for the compliments LucidSFX :D If they want me there in San Francisco creating patches and contributing 24/7 i'm all in!It's one of my favorite cities after all 8)
Basically from what i understand users want to take advantage of Tempest's powerful synth engine and be able to have access to a wide palet of sounds both "bread & butter" and modern..Also these sounds must be usable when someone applies beat wide FX,reverse and such and don't want to ruin a mix or blowing out the speakers.That's what i had in mind when i was working on the 808 kit.Something to be instantly fun & playable.That's what Tempest is in it's soul and that's what all us users want after all... ;)
Get Yorgos on the sound pack design team;)
As for samples....what samples does anyone really need? I may obtuse but adding more samples doesnt necessarily mean you now end up with an Acces Virus synth.
I'd like to hear from Yorgos on his thoughts about additional samples. How does this help make better sounds?
Hi Yorgos,
Any chance of some clearer specifics regarding how the mod paths are set up in your 808 kit? I seem to recall (I'm not in front of my Tempest) that you can only use 2 sliders as mod sources, as opposed to the 4 that the beat-wide approach allows, right? How have you worked around that limitation?
Cheers, J :)
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I'm not following your question...Both Note FX & Beat FX can use 4 sliders (FX1,FX2,F3,FX4).
Hi Yorgos,
Any chance of some clearer specifics regarding how the mod paths are set up in your 808 kit? I seem to recall (I'm not in front of my Tempest) that you can only use 2 sliders as mod sources, as opposed to the 4 that the beat-wide approach allows, right? How have you worked around that limitation?
Cheers, J :)
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I'm not following your question...Both Note FX & Beat FX can use 4 sliders (FX1,FX2,F3,FX4).
Hi Yorgos,
Any chance of some clearer specifics regarding how the mod paths are set up in your 808 kit? I seem to recall (I'm not in front of my Tempest) that you can only use 2 sliders as mod sources, as opposed to the 4 that the beat-wide approach allows, right? How have you worked around that limitation?
Cheers, J :)
Hi Yorgos,
Yeh sorry, I wasn't clear! What I mean is, unless I'm misunderstanding, you're using the Mod Paths screen to assign controllability, essentially replacing the need for beatwide control, right? And in the Mod Paths screen you only have access to slider 1 and slider 2 as mod sources, 3 and 4 are not listed, right?
Cheers, J :)
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Nop,no beatwide replacement...First you have to answer a question..."What's beatFX doing to my sounds if i crank it all the way up?" Simple answer: Cranks the parameters up to the extremes...Philosophical question next (my Greek nature to blame :P)...What if i already crank all the parameters to the max and use mod matrix to sculpt my sound 8) That's the hack i'm talking about... ;)
Hi Yorgos,
Yeh sorry, I wasn't clear! What I mean is, unless I'm misunderstanding, you're using the Mod Paths screen to assign controllability, essentially replacing the need for beatwide control, right? And in the Mod Paths screen you only have access to slider 1 and slider 2 as mod sources, 3 and 4 are not listed, right?
Cheers, J :)
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Polyrhythms are the only feature we absolutely miss on the Tempest.
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Polyrhythm possibly.
No need for sample import, the ones inside are more than enough. A open 909 hi hat would be nice though.
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I just got a Tempest, second hand. This is my first one so I have not been trough all the OS evolutions but I'd add my voice to the list here:
1- DSI please do not drop Tempest development: you have made a wonderful machine, if you'll ever find a way to expand its already great potential, please do.
2- Polyrythm patterns.
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I just got a Tempest, second hand. This is my first one so I have not been trough all the OS evolutions but I'd add my voice to the list here:
1- DSI please do not drop Tempest development: you have made a wonderful machine, if you'll ever find a way to expand its already great potential, please do.
2- Polyrythm patterns.
We've asked for the above a gazillion times..Sometimes i wonder if DSI knows what they got in their hands with this beast!At least if they stop the development this thread IMHO must act as a doorway to a Tempest 2 :P
So keep on sending those features requests people!
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I just got a Tempest, second hand. This is my first one so I have not been trough all the OS evolutions but I'd add my voice to the list here:
1- DSI please do not drop Tempest development: you have made a wonderful machine, if you'll ever find a way to expand its already great potential, please do.
2- Polyrythm patterns.
We've asked for the above a gazillion times..Sometimes i wonder if DSI knows what they got in their hands with this beast!At least if they stop the development this thread IMHO must act as a doorway to a Tempest 2 :P
So keep on sending those features requests people!
I'm 38 years in this biz in multiple areas and value what I know, so why would I if not on a payroll? "asked a gazillion times" says it all, "knock knock! whos there? nobody important just your customers."
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Man, the only thing that's bums me out about the tempest is the lack of effects. Seems like such a loss to not include some pro 6 style digi effects. I guess this is a feature request for the tempest 2 that will never be made. It would be called Zephyrus.
Imagine an effect send section in the mixer menu. It's not hard to put a tc HOF on your actual mixer, but man it would be nice to have a few on board.
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Hear,hear...
Man, the only thing that's bums me out about the tempest is the lack of effects. Seems like such a loss to not include some pro 6 style digi effects. I guess this is a feature request for the tempest 2 that will never be made. It would be called Zephyrus.
Imagine an effect send section in the mixer menu. It's not hard to put a tc HOF on your actual mixer, but man it would be nice to have a few on board.
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A Tempest 2 without satisfactory completion of the current Tempest would be an insult to those that have spent countless hours beta testing and documenting the current machine and all of its OS iterations. If all of my time had been donated to the grand effort of making the machine I purchased be what it supposed to be... I am more than happy to have contributed. If resources have been spent on creating a 2nd version of this machine rather than wrapping up the one in hand... and then I am expected to pay full price for that new product while it reduces the value of my current investment on the marketplace... well... you could see where that might leave a bad taste in a few people's mouths.
I would rather have DSI get this amazing machine completed so that it can live a long life as a respectable instrument. I'll look to Roger Linn to make the next wonderfully human performance oriented drum machine.
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Using bank B for sequencing external midi gear. Each sound would match their own midi channel. I really enjoy the Tempest's sequencer workflow, so this would be amazing!
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+1 for a proper 909 open hat sample please.
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I don't see that happening ever... I've read so many times that adding samples is impossible... Better to try and synthesize your own. Going to make that a little project, sounds like fun :P
My feature request:
Add more dotted sync modes to everything. The sequencer, delay, LFO, and roll mode all would benefit from more dotted sync modes.
It would add so much. It even would add a sort of workaround for some polymeters.
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even just replacing the current useless 909 OH sample would be amazing. I know that tempest is way more than a 909 clone but it's still a touch frustrating.
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It would be brilliant to be able to use Tempest to sequence externally more than 1 monophonic instrument.
I guess it would then put a halt to purchase a multi-track hardware sequencer like Beatstep Pro,Engine or Pyramid ect!
In reality Tempest is a performance orientated drum machine and I think it's great at that although I can only wish for the above to be implemented!
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Polyrhythmic sequencing!!! This year I have a project that requires some (lots) of polyrhythmic, electronic/sequenced percussion. I know i could do this in my DAW, but it is more a hands on, live collaborative (and recording) project.
I'm seriously looking at getting a Arturia Drum Brute for this purpose. I just really wish my beloved Tempest could do it :-/
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32 beats per project please!
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Playlist Overdub
For example I created a playlist (not in real time) but I want it to playback in "overdub" mode so as it's playing and switching beats it'll record the Mutes, FX Sliders and Knob Movements into the playlist rather than just into a beat or having to do it live.
It would greatly add to the changes/variations within my songs. I attempted to do that then learned that it doesn't have that option, it would be nice!
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MIDI CC control for Beat FX 1-8 (individual external control of each of the eight Beat FX that can currently only be controlled by the FX sliders). In some ways this would be more valuable than CC control of the Beat-Wide Parameters which has already been implemented.
This would open up a new world for me!
+1 for this one!
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It would be brilliant to be able to use Tempest to sequence externally more than 1 monophonic instrument.
I guess it would then put a halt to purchase a multi-track hardware sequencer like Beatstep Pro,Engine or Pyramid ect!
In reality Tempest is a performance orientated drum machine and I think it's great at that although I can only wish for the above to be implemented!
Honestly they Tempest SHOULD be able to sequence more than one 1 monophonic instrument. That is the one thing DSI needs to implement. Who cares what category it puts it into. Roger Linn said "Calling it a drum machine really undersells it's capabilities" well expand those capabilities! I'm looking at picking one up in a few months and I would love for it to be able to sequence two ARP Odyssey Modules.
Question though, when using 16 Mutes, when you mute the pad does that actually turn off the external instrument it's sequencing as well?
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Question though, when using 16 Mutes, when you mute the pad does that actually turn off the external instrument it's sequencing as well?
yes, the pad must be unmuted for the sequence to be sent via midi.
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Hi,
I'm new to the Tempest and to this forum.
One thing I miss on the Tempest is the unison feature with parameters such as the number of voices and the stereo spread.
I think this would add some more warmth to the Tempest, especially for the two analog oscillators. ;)
Cheers,
Chris (from Belgium)
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It would be brilliant to be able to use Tempest to sequence externally more than 1 monophonic instrument.
I guess it would then put a halt to purchase a multi-track hardware sequencer like Beatstep Pro,Engine or Pyramid ect!
In reality Tempest is a performance orientated drum machine and I think it's great at that although I can only wish for the above to be implemented!
Honestly they Tempest SHOULD be able to sequence more than one 1 monophonic instrument. That is the one thing DSI needs to implement. Who cares what category it puts it into. Roger Linn said "Calling it a drum machine really undersells it's capabilities" well expand those capabilities! I'm looking at picking one up in a few months and I would love for it to be able to sequence two ARP Odyssey Modules.
Question though, when using 16 Mutes, when you mute the pad does that actually turn off the external instrument it's sequencing as well?
And another thing if your in 16 beats mode and you do a beat roll the external instrument also follows the beat roll quantization setting which may or may not be what your after.
For myself, I just purchased an Engine hardware sequencer and will be controlling my gear with it rather than Tempest.
Tempest will be clocked via Engine.
I do really enjoy Tempest, It's lots of fun and has a great sound!
Enjoy!
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Having a keyboard split functionality while using external keyboards would also be great.
At least splitting the keyboard in two parts (left/right).
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It would be brilliant to be able to use Tempest to sequence externally more than 1 monophonic instrument.
I guess it would then put a halt to purchase a multi-track hardware sequencer like Beatstep Pro,Engine or Pyramid ect!
In reality Tempest is a performance orientated drum machine and I think it's great at that although I can only wish for the above to be implemented!
Honestly they Tempest SHOULD be able to sequence more than one 1 monophonic instrument. That is the one thing DSI needs to implement. Who cares what category it puts it into. Roger Linn said "Calling it a drum machine really undersells it's capabilities" well expand those capabilities! I'm looking at picking one up in a few months and I would love for it to be able to sequence two ARP Odyssey Modules.
Question though, when using 16 Mutes, when you mute the pad does that actually turn off the external instrument it's sequencing as well?
And another thing if your in 16 beats mode and you do a beat roll the external instrument also follows the beat roll quantization setting which may or may not be what your after.
For myself, I just purchased an Engine hardware sequencer and will be controlling my gear with it rather than Tempest.
Tempest will be clocked via Engine.
I do really enjoy Tempest, It's lots of fun and has a great sound!
Enjoy!
I wonder....with the roll feature...could it be sent as sort of a "ratchet" for an external synth?
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I havent read through all the requests so apologies if this has brought up many times but i'd really like to be able to copy a sound AND its events from one beat to another, i can copy the sound but not the events at the moment and i like to reuse parts its a little thing but it would be great if this could be an option!
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Ye this one has been requested a gazillion times..
I havent read through all the requests so apologies if this has brought up many times but i'd really like to be able to copy a sound AND its events from one beat to another, i can copy the sound but not the events at the moment and i like to reuse parts its a little thing but it would be great if this could be an option!
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Coming back to the forum to add one more request. I don't know if this has been requested before but I think tempest should be able to send corresponding MIDI notes when in 16 Tuning mode. I have the Ableton Push on my desk and I would have preferred to use Tempest to play harmonies on other devices.
I would appreciate a reply if that is possible to do! But surely this sounds like a software arrangement rather than a hardware. So should be possible, right? ;)
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Dave said that the latest OS will be the last one so no more feature requests...This is the end of the line and i think it's time to close this thread..Over and out!