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Title: Trigon Pros & Cons
Post by: seqpro3 on February 09, 2023, 03:50:59 PM
For those  of you that have the Trigon would be interested in hearing your perspective in regards to
What you think the pros and cons of this instrument are. Thanks  it’s the same price as a Prophet5 Rev  4. Different instruments with different feature sets  although the same price.
Title: Re: Trigon Pros & Cons
Post by: Jexus on June 10, 2023, 09:14:05 AM
For those  of you that have the Trigon would be interested in hearing your perspective in regards to
What you think the pros and cons of this instrument are. Thanks  it’s the same price as a Prophet5 Rev  4. Different instruments with different feature sets  although the same price.

If we narrow down the comparison to the OB-6 / Prophet-6 / Trigon-6 trio (as we should, I suppose), then I don't see much difference apart from the filter flavors (SSM style, SEM, moog style, etc), however, if you need to compare it with a Prophet-5 then I think you should definitely take into account the FX section, distortion & drive (all present on T-6).
Title: Re: Trigon Pros & Cons
Post by: Elric on June 10, 2023, 09:58:55 AM
For those  of you that have the Trigon would be interested in hearing your perspective in regards to
What you think the pros and cons of this instrument are. Thanks  it’s the same price as a Prophet5 Rev  4. Different instruments with different feature sets  although the same price.

If we narrow down the comparison to the OB-6 / Prophet-6 / Trigon-6 trio (as we should, I suppose), then I don't see much difference apart from the filter flavors (SSM style, SEM, moog style, etc), however, if you need to compare it with a Prophet-5 then I think you should definitely take into account the FX section, distortion & drive (all present on T-6).


Yea, I'm not impressed with the Trigon much at all.  I have a Pro3 that I love!! - But, the Sequential Ladder filter is not different enough from the "Sequential filter" to be beneficial enough to warrant it's own synth. -  get an OB-6 or a Prophet 5 rev-4(?)

If I had the money and the space, I would SO get the "new" / rebuild Prophet-5!

(Shhh - Sorry Dave, no offense!)

...  So, a Prophet5 with major updates? (Pro3 type Mod-matrix and controls +)  - That seems like it would be a huge tribute to Dave.

Though, I'm still hoping for a multi-Pro3 x6 or 8 voice!
Not that I could afford that...


[edit: Wait... that becomes one thing!!  ^^  - A Prophet5, with an additional digital osc for flavor, and the additional Mod matrix and more LFOs and Envelopes...   Oh man!]   - I'll have to sell my car!
Title: Re: Trigon Pros & Cons
Post by: LoboLives on June 10, 2023, 06:52:09 PM
For me I would actually get the Trigon 6 or OB6 over the Prophet 5 Rev 4 as I would much rather have the extra features. The Trigon has its own character much like the P6 and OB6. Not in a 1x1 comparison but once you start finding its own voice and using those extra features (the third oscillator, multiple selectable waveshapes, distortion, feedback, etc then you start to really start to see how unique it is.

For me I can totally see it doing some late 70s/early 80s Italian synth type stuff aka Goblin, Cordio, De Angelis Brothers, etc. with it. Sounds awesome for strings and pads. Would love to hear a jam with the P6 and T6.
Title: Re: Trigon Pros & Cons
Post by: Kosmikos on June 18, 2023, 10:47:46 AM
For me I can totally see it doing some late 70s/early 80s Italian synth type stuff aka Goblin, Cordio, De Angelis Brothers, etc. with it. Sounds awesome for strings and pads. Would love to hear a jam with the P6 and T6.
I think you nailed it here. I don’t own any of them (yet), but I tried the Prophet 5 and the Trigon 6, and the Trigon had the edge exactly for that same reason, this 70s-80s synth feel.
I also love the Ob-x8 for its synthwave style and big sound, but again the Trigon has the edge because it has this different distinct flavour I connect with.
Also people keep talking about the ladder filter, but I felt that the oscillators and the distortion circuit were totally part of the package and more characteristic of the instrument in some ways.
Title: Re: Trigon Pros & Cons
Post by: g3o2 on June 18, 2023, 02:24:21 PM
The Trigon has its own character much like the P6 and OB6.

I think that Trigon has its own character unlike the other two. The success of P6 and OB6 has to some extent been attributable to the legends they have enhanced as a modern version. The Trigon does not appear to have any predecessor and therefore seems to be the most unique of the three.
Title: Re: Trigon Pros & Cons
Post by: Manbird on June 18, 2023, 04:38:56 PM
I think you nailed it here. I don’t own any of them (yet), but I tried the Prophet 5 and the Trigon 6, and the Trigon had the edge exactly for that same reason, this 70s-80s synth feel.

Forgive me for teasing, but it's funny to see the P5 fall behind in the "70s-80s synth feel" sweepstakes, uh, given that... uh...
Title: Re: Trigon Pros & Cons
Post by: Kosmikos on June 18, 2023, 11:16:01 PM
I think you nailed it here. I don’t own any of them (yet), but I tried the Prophet 5 and the Trigon 6, and the Trigon had the edge exactly for that same reason, this 70s-80s synth feel.

Forgive me for teasing, but it's funny to see the P5 fall behind in the "70s-80s synth feel" sweepstakes, uh, given that... uh...
Maybe because I was quoting Lobolives on the Italian synth stuff, I wasn’t talking about late 70/80s synth pop here, which I have personally less of an interest in sonically speaking (despite being probably part of Sequential’s greatest legacy).

To be honest I approached the P5 with great expectations, and it fulfilled those. But I just never realised what synth I was missing in my life until I tried the Trigon 6.
And all I had in mind was to get an Ob6 desktop at this point.

It’s a very personal choice in the end, it depends on what fits best with your music.
Title: Re: Trigon Pros & Cons
Post by: Elric on June 19, 2023, 03:49:23 AM
I'd love to hear a Trigon6 demo that explored *only* the "Center section" of the synth.  ...the oscs and amp and filter.

(I mostly don't use /don't like the distortion/feedback on my Pro3. And, I'm not interested in the effects. I want to hear the pure tone.)
Title: Re: Trigon Pros & Cons
Post by: hoodoo_ray on June 19, 2023, 05:01:34 AM
I'd love to hear a Trigon6 demo that explored *only* the "Center section" of the synth.  ...the oscs and amp and filter.

(I mostly don't use /don't like the distortion/feedback on my Pro3. And, I'm not interested in the effects. I want to hear the pure tone.)

Think someone posted this before, this review has what you're after

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7W-PNp_K-Q

Title: Re: Trigon Pros & Cons
Post by: Manbird on June 19, 2023, 07:59:35 AM
I think you nailed it here. I don’t own any of them (yet), but I tried the Prophet 5 and the Trigon 6, and the Trigon had the edge exactly for that same reason, this 70s-80s synth feel.

Forgive me for teasing, but it's funny to see the P5 fall behind in the "70s-80s synth feel" sweepstakes, uh, given that... uh...
Maybe because I was quoting Lobolives on the Italian synth stuff, I wasn’t talking about late 70/80s synth pop here, which I have personally less of an interest in sonically speaking (despite being probably part of Sequential’s greatest legacy).

To be honest I approached the P5 with great expectations, and it fulfilled those. But I just never realised what synth I was missing in my life until I tried the Trigon 6.
And all I had in mind was to get an Ob6 desktop at this point.

It’s a very personal choice in the end, it depends on what fits best with your music.

Ah, I understand!

It's actually felt a little quiet on the Trigon love front here - maybe not as many owners chiming in, but hearing your enthusiasm for the machine is appealing. Trigon has pulled at me quite a bit. I've got a P6 and a Prophet 5. I adore the 6, but with the 5 at hand, the former doesn't get as much attention. Effects and stereo panning etc ain't the same thing as "that sound," which is what the P5 is all about for me. I've wondered for a while if the Trigon's sound would sit outside the familiar tonal range I'm already working with...
Title: Re: Trigon Pros & Cons
Post by: chysn on June 19, 2023, 09:41:05 AM
I follow Trigon-6 posts with interest, because the Trigon-6 represents for me the "path not taken." I went back and forth between Prophet 5 and Trigon-6 for a bit before landing on Prophet 5.

Two amazing polysynths for almost the same price! How do you choose between them if, like me, "¿por qué no los dos?" isn't on the table? A half-century of knowledge of my decision-making process convincingly suggests that I go for the Trigon-6 here. I'm a sucker for features, and Trigon-6 has more in terms of composing and sound-design resources, with stereo effects.

I wonder how the ability to try both synths would have affected my decision. The five-octave keyboard was compelling, the Prophet 5 layout is an absolute joy to use, and its sound is top-notch. But it could have gone either way, and I'd probably have been happy with either choice. I still like keeping up with Trigon-6 posts.
Title: Re: Trigon Pros & Cons
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on June 19, 2023, 10:36:35 AM
If Sequential makes a Trigon-6 Module, with one little MIDI cable you'll be able to have the best of both instruments.
Title: Re: Trigon Pros & Cons
Post by: Manbird on June 19, 2023, 10:41:20 AM
I follow Trigon-6 posts with interest, because the Trigon-6 represents for me the "path not taken." I went back and forth between Prophet 5 and Trigon-6 for a bit before landing on Prophet 5.

Two amazing polysynths for almost the same price! How do you choose between them if, like me, "¿por qué no los dos?" isn't on the table? A half-century of knowledge of my decision-making process convincingly suggests that I go for the Trigon-6 here. I'm a sucker for features, and Trigon-6 has more in terms of composing and sound-design resources, with stereo effects.

I wonder how the ability to try both synths would have affected my decision. The five-octave keyboard was compelling, the Prophet 5 layout is an absolute joy to use, and its sound is top-notch. But it could have gone either way, and I'd probably have been happy with either choice. I still like keeping up with Trigon-6 posts.

There's never been a question for me regarding the Prophet 5. I landed my first one when I was a teen (and when it was, however briefly, a very out-of-fashion synth and thus very affordable.). It's been the ideal my entire synth life.

The P6 is lovely and I have a proper bond with it, but it doesn't provide the same consistent satisfaction as the 5. Many of us here are restless synth wanderers/wonderers, and not all of us have endless resources. The Trigon keeps popping to mind, but I know I'd have to lose the Prophet 6 in order to grab the former...
Title: Re: Trigon Pros & Cons
Post by: Manbird on June 19, 2023, 10:46:17 AM
If Sequential makes a Trigon-6 Module, with one little MIDI cable you'll be able to have the best of both instruments.

I have to say - and this is indeed a very first-world problem - modules never win my heart the way keyboard synths do. I like the whipped cream on top of my pie, not in a bowl across the table from me, as it were! I like a self-contained, all-or-nothing instrument.
Title: Re: Trigon Pros & Cons
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on June 19, 2023, 12:13:53 PM
If Sequential makes a Trigon-6 Module, with one little MIDI cable you'll be able to have the best of both instruments.

I have to say - and this is indeed a very first-world problem - modules never win my heart the way keyboard synths do. I like the whipped cream on top of my pie, not in a bowl across the table from me, as it were! I like a self-contained, all-or-nothing instrument.

I feel the same way, but a module connected to a keyboard has a certain balance to it, especially when they are of the same instrument (which obviously isn't the case here).  A Prophet 5 controlling a Trigon-6 would make an impressive combination.
Title: Re: Trigon Pros & Cons
Post by: Manbird on June 19, 2023, 12:20:26 PM
If Sequential makes a Trigon-6 Module, with one little MIDI cable you'll be able to have the best of both instruments.

I have to say - and this is indeed a very first-world problem - modules never win my heart the way keyboard synths do. I like the whipped cream on top of my pie, not in a bowl across the table from me, as it were! I like a self-contained, all-or-nothing instrument.

I feel the same way, but a module connected to a keyboard has a certain balance to it.

Not with the space on my desk!! A module would literally have to balance on something in order to find room to breathe. To say, if my setup were able to accommodate such, with the module always accessible, I could get excited about that, but alas...
Title: Re: Trigon Pros & Cons
Post by: Quatschmacher on June 19, 2023, 01:52:56 PM
If Sequential makes a Trigon-6 Module, with one little MIDI cable you'll be able to have the best of both instruments.

I have to say - and this is indeed a very first-world problem - modules never win my heart the way keyboard synths do. I like the whipped cream on top of my pie, not in a bowl across the table from me, as it were! I like a self-contained, all-or-nothing instrument.
I totally get that. Part of the reason I’ve never yet bought any of the 6 series, even though I love the sound of them. One octave too few on the keyboard but I prefer the complete package. Wish they’d release XL versions of these.
Title: Re: Trigon Pros & Cons
Post by: Manbird on June 19, 2023, 02:28:22 PM
If Sequential makes a Trigon-6 Module, with one little MIDI cable you'll be able to have the best of both instruments.

I have to say - and this is indeed a very first-world problem - modules never win my heart the way keyboard synths do. I like the whipped cream on top of my pie, not in a bowl across the table from me, as it were! I like a self-contained, all-or-nothing instrument.
I totally get that. Part of the reason I’ve never yet bought any of the 6 series, even though I love the sound of them. One octave too few on the keyboard but I prefer the complete package. Wish they’d release XL versions of these.

Oddly or not, I've always been comfortable with the P6 as controller, more than I've been with the P5. Probably to do with the octave transpose option. If I need to do proper piano tracks, I've got a Privia ready to rumble with Pianoteq. The rare times I've dragged a synth out to a local gig, though, whether Prophet 6 or Prologue, I've suddenly felt the lack of fifth octave... my songs are very chord-y and my left hand is always doing basic octaves. Having to think about where NOT to place a finger is too much for my small brain! Still, even with the 4-octave keyboard, the P6 is a complete protein in its own right...
Title: Re: Trigon Pros & Cons
Post by: chysn on June 20, 2023, 10:06:49 AM
(Moderator's note: Moved off-topic, but worthy, discussion of synth sweetspots here: https://forum.sequential.com/index.php/topic,7232.0.html )
Title: Re: Trigon Pros & Cons
Post by: seqpro3 on July 05, 2023, 11:04:29 PM
The Trigon 6 sounds great. It  does offer different features. I think I would still choose the prophet 5 rev4 though. Maybe I’m nostalgic and lean towards classic reissues with modern upgrades.  I like that it has 61 keys . I also like the size of the knobs and the overall look of the prophet 5 rev 4 . It’s a classic
Title: Re: Trigon Pros & Cons
Post by: paulmapp8306 on August 15, 2023, 01:37:24 PM
Ok - so today we have th4e Trigon 6 Desktop announcement.   Im now really confused lol.

I have space for 2 desktop units - and 2 full keyboards.  My 2 boards are an Iridium keyboard and a 3rd wave.  My 2 Desktops are a P6 and an OB6.

So - as I can only have TWO desktops (space issue).,.....  Are those 2 OB6/P6,  OB6,T6   or P6/T6.......bearing in mind the 3rd waves capabilities.
Title: Re: Trigon Pros & Cons
Post by: hoodoo_ray on August 15, 2023, 01:40:55 PM
Ok - so today we have th4e Trigon 6 Desktop announcement.   Im now really confused lol.

I have space for 2 desktop units - and 2 full keyboards.  My 2 boards are an Iridium keyboard and a 3rd wave.  My 2 Desktops are a P6 and an OB6.

So - as I can only have TWO desktops (space issue).,.....  Are those 2 OB6/P6,  OB6,T6   or P6/T6.......bearing in mind the 3rd waves capabilities.

Do you really need another poly synth? How are you doing with the P6 / OB6? Is there one of them (or both) you are hardly using?
Title: Re: Trigon Pros & Cons
Post by: paulmapp8306 on August 15, 2023, 02:10:13 PM
Ok - so today we have th4e Trigon 6 Desktop announcement.   Im now really confused lol.

I have space for 2 desktop units - and 2 full keyboards.  My 2 boards are an Iridium keyboard and a 3rd wave.  My 2 Desktops are a P6 and an OB6.

So - as I can only have TWO desktops (space issue).,.....  Are those 2 OB6/P6,  OB6,T6   or P6/T6.......bearing in mind the 3rd waves capabilities.

Do you really need another poly synth? How are you doing with the P6 / OB6? Is there one of them (or both) you are hardly using?

I use them both.   Just when I think I prefer one over the other - I play the other more and it flips lol.

I KIND of like the idea of 1 x SEM, 1 x OTA and 1 x Ladder filter synth (rather than multiples in one synth).

On the Trigon I do like the idea of dedicated waveform buttons rather than the sweeping (for a change) and of course OB6 only has triangle on one Osc.  I like having 12 and 24 bd filter options.  I like having the 3 full Oscillators..... but Im not sure I can give up the Prophet and Oberheim flavours.

Im so torn......

I should maybe not splash on the OBx8.... its nicer sounding than the OB6 but not by much, and I should really sort out the mundane stuff (Ive kind of outgrown what I had and need more dedicated lines in rather than sub-mixing) too.....  That would mean sticking with 2 of the T6/P6/OB6 desktops.  Picking which 2 isnt easy..
 
Title: Re: Trigon Pros & Cons
Post by: LPF83 on August 15, 2023, 03:39:59 PM
I should maybe not splash on the OBx8.... its nicer sounding than the OB6 but not by much

Nicer sounding is really subjective, but for those seeking the sound of vintage Oberheims, I have to say as someone that owns both the difference is substantial, and WAY more than what I thought it would be based on YT videos.  The issue is that the videos that are out there are specifically designed to create sounds that are similar.  There is not much out there showing the vast range of differences.  Anyway back to the Trigon desktop...  ladder synths aren't my personal fave, but I wouldn't rule out ever owning one of these in desktop format.  They do sound great, and for those looking for these specific features maybe even a must buy.
Title: Re: Trigon Pros & Cons
Post by: Kosmikos on August 16, 2023, 02:39:45 AM
I finally made the jump. So after a few weeks with my Trigon and in light of the Desktop announcement I thought I’d actually give it a proper verdict instead of my previous I-spent-10mins-with-one opinion.

Pros:
-I love this format (so I’d probably love the P6 and OB6 too). The programs are coming thick and quick, helped by the preset mode that, once disabled, turns the synth into a WYSIWYG programless keyboard (and presets can still be saved!). And the simplicity of the modulations sources (also in cons) really helps it make it feel not too overwhelming and not menu divy.
-It sounds lovely, tons of sweet spots, and I feel like I can hit all the sounds I personally like. Definitely more like a 70s type of sound than 80s, although I still got some lovely sync/resonant leads that felt more 80s/90s.
-I simply love the colour of that distortion. It just doesn’t never seem to sound quite as good on my Pro3.
-The Vintage knob just works. I was sceptical about it at first, but it just does a lot of modulation on its own. It makes every patch more interesting.
-The envelopes seems somehow snappier and cleaner on short attack time than on my other Sequentials, opening the ground for some really nice plucky/percky sounds.
-The FXs also seem to sound better and be more usable.

Cons:
-Aftertouch still feels a bit rubbish, like a glorified on/off switch. I should have gotten the Osmose first. :)
-Could do with more modulation sources and destinations. I wish I could modulate the distortion with the synced LFO for example.
-I still think it sounds good raw, the oscillators sound better than my Pro3’s, but not OBx8 good.
-I keep wishing that osc2 was like osc3, and that sync3 was also possible.
-The ladder filter doesn’t seem to sound quite as good as my Subharmonicon’s. It also takes a little while to get used to it, and getting a feel for the correct amount of key tracking can feel often tricky with the lack of a dedicated knob and the varying amount of resonance.
-I wish it had aluminium knobs instead of these hard plastic ones, but that’s not too bad. The consistent damping/resistance feel across all pots is pretty good too.
-It’s too tall to fit on my desk keyboard drawer. So I can’t switch it positions with my Rev2.