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ANNOUNCEMENTS => Sequential Newsline => Topic started by: narkosys on November 17, 2022, 11:25:17 AM
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Hot off the press. the new Trigon 6. 6 voice, 3 oscillator synth WITH LADDER FILTER!!
As much as I am looking for more voices, such as in the Rev2, this sounds really good and, from the few shots I could see in the video, the workflow seems to suit my style.
I am looking forward to seeing more about this instrument. This also seems to be the last synth Dave Smith worked on before his passing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNBzSMB6sS8
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I am absolutely convinced now that since the Focusrite purchase, Sequential has been delegated to doing "analog only" synths as to not step on Novation (another Focusrite subsidiary). No wavetables, no drum machines, no FM, no samples. Just VCOs and that's it.
Was really hoping we would get a polyphonic VCO and Wavetable synth but I don't think that is going to happen....ever.
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What a dangerous day today is! Between this and the newest Minimoog reissue, I've gone from "I've got more than enough synths and I can sleep well enough at night" to "Quick, what's the number for the blood bank?" Really like the sound/look/vibe of this one, and it's wonderful to know Dave was involved in its creation. Dangerous day aside, we synth freaks are living in an amazing time...
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Goodness gracious, it's a synthesizer avalanche! We're all going to be reviewing our bank accounts tonight.
Oh, I'm going to be up so late tonight....
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Wow some great announcements today on the day that I've been told my car will probably cost £1,700 to repair - Oh joy !!
I'm liking what I'm hearing from the Trigon-6 on YouTube, it's showing as "price pending" in my usual UK store.
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Wow some great announcements today on the day that I've been told my car will probably cost £1,700 to repair - Oh joy !!
I'm liking what I'm hearing from the Trigon-6 on YouTube, it's showing as "price pending" in my usual UK store.
Sorry to hear about your car. I doubt this helps, but my ex-wife informed me yesterday that I apparently owe nearly €1000 in taxes even though I left Berlin in 2020! Still, synths will always have priority over real life, at least in my dreams!
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Wow some great announcements today on the day that I've been told my car will probably cost £1,700 to repair - Oh joy !!
I'm liking what I'm hearing from the Trigon-6 on YouTube, it's showing as "price pending" in my usual UK store.
Sorry to hear about your car. I doubt this helps, but my ex-wife informed me yesterday that I apparently owe nearly €1000 in taxes even though I left Berlin in 2020! Still, synths will always have priority over real life, at least in my dreams!
:) that's a good way to think about it, thanks for that.
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Wow some great announcements today on the day that I've been told my car will probably cost £1,700 to repair - Oh joy !!
I'm liking what I'm hearing from the Trigon-6 on YouTube, it's showing as "price pending" in my usual UK store.
Sorry to hear about your car. I doubt this helps, but my ex-wife informed me yesterday that I apparently owe nearly €1000 in taxes even though I left Berlin in 2020! Still, synths will always have priority over real life, at least in my dreams!
Just keep moving, Ant. Keep changing your address and you'll be okay.
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Here are a couple of sounds I did for the Trigon-6:
https://on.soundcloud.com/qbVSr
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Was really hoping we would get a polyphonic VCO and Wavetable synth but I don't think that is going to happen....ever.
I think it's a bit soon to be saying that.
This is another member of the 6 series: analog voices built from discrete components, knob per function, etc. just like the Prophet-6 and OB-6.
So while you're at it, Sequential, how about a CS-6 in a couple of years? Or maybe a Twenty-6 (Hundred)? ;)
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This is another member of the 6 series: analog voices built from discrete components, knob per function, etc. just like the Prophet-6 and OB-6.
I would think that's what the "Tri" in Trigon refers to; it's the third instrument in the triangle of six-voice instruments.
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$7499 via my local(ish) store, or $4655 if I go through Thomann. Either way my wallet is screaming in agony.
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$7499 via my local(ish) store, or $4655 if I go through Thomann. Either way my wallet is screaming in agony.
Yup about $5000 for us Canadians
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Wow some great announcements today on the day that I've been told my car will probably cost £1,700 to repair - Oh joy !!
If it makes you feel any better, tomorrow I'm going to be plonking out $1500 just for a set of 4 tires! :'(
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$7499 via my local(ish) store, or $4655 if I go through Thomann. Either way my wallet is screaming in agony.
Yup about $5000 for us Canadians
The $7499 I quoted is from Long and McQuade.
edit: Looks like they took it down from their website. Maybe the got aa nastygram from Sequential for jumping the gun.
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Wow some great announcements today on the day that I've been told my car will probably cost £1,700 to repair - Oh joy !!
If it makes you feel any better, tomorrow I'm going to be plonking out $1500 just for a set of 4 tires! :'(
After getting new tires, I was told I had to buy new brake pads AND rotors, a few months back. Cheaper than getting a new used car I guess, but, maybe not by much.
- Also, looks like the official price of the Trigon-6 is $3500 US (?)
Anyway, I'll keep my Trigon-6 critique short, because I do hope it does well, but I'm seriously underwhelmed by it.
(I can never step back from my Pro3's 4 EGs and the deep Mod Matrix. [-- Blah blah, edit/cut critique...] )
I'll have to keep hoping for some poly Pro33 in a box. -- With overflow(!), so I can connect all 8 of my Pro3s... [cough]
[edit 4: And, I just found the PolyBrute demos. Damn! {even though I could critique that synth too! :D } - I hope Sequential has a few of these around to see what they would be competing against if they do that "multi-Pro3" I've been hoping for.]
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$3500 is actually not as much as I feared it would cost.
I was recalling tonight the not-too-distant past when all of DSI's synthesizers were under $3,000. I believe I bought my Poly Evolver Keyboard for $2600. Then the Prophet 12 appeared for $3,000. And ever since then, it's been up and up and up. It makes me wonder if the Behringer effect is that certain companies are forced into these higher regions. I do miss the days when a piece of brand new DSI gear could be bought for only several hundred dollars. And the astronomical prices of so many new synthesizers make me think twice about avoiding vintage instruments. The argument that kept me away from them used to be that the maintenance costs would be too high. But now? That doesn't seem to be such a bad option.
It is kinda funny that two three-oscillator analog synthesizers were announced on the same day. Who tried to take the other's thunder away?
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I've been surprised that the destruction of a MAJOR audio chip factory in Japan (right?), by fire, has not been more of a subject in synth circles.
That was Fg HUGE!
Of course, other circumstances contribute too.
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I was trying to work out from the limited videos I've seen if the pot values are shown anywhere on any of the displays and I couldn't see anything resembling pot values when one was turned. But it's very difficult to tell because there's only one or two instances where any pot is turned.
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I would think that's what the "Tri" in Trigon refers to; it's the third instrument in the triangle of six-voice instruments.
"Tri" as a reference to the three oscillators seems more probable?
I like what I'm hearing so far. While it's perhaps not as "Moogy" as I'd expected, it has a nice character of its own just as the OB-6 and P-6 do. That said, Paul Dither got an unmistakeable Polymoog sound out of it. ;D
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Yes I was wondering if the Tri was referring to the 3 oscillators and the Trigon name a mixture of Triangle and Hexagon ?
Also agree, that Paul's patches sound great as usual :)
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Yes I was wondering if the Tri was referring to the 3 oscillators and the Trigon name a mixture of Triangle and Hexagon ?
Ha! Of course. :D Three oscillators (triangle) and six voices (hexagon). Hence, Trigon.
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$3500 is actually not as much as I feared it would cost.
I'm guessing the desktop version will come in around $2,300, which will put it in the possible future buy category for me. My recent acquisition of an Akai MPC Live2, which was originally an "on a whim" buy to have a compact and cable-free DAW setup, has actually been a permanent game changer (I may post a bit more about this is another topic), but using it has got me creating music in other rooms of the house (besides the studio). The portability aspect has had a creative benefit I was oblivious to before now, but it makes me want all future purchases as desktop units so that I can bring one at a time with me in order to use it in conjunction with the MPC2.
The ideal desktop, from a versatility and sampling standpoint, would probably be a Rev2 desktop, but since I already have the keyboard version, the idea of something new for my portable setup is appealing, and owning the last Dave Smith invention makes it even more so, so maybe the Trigon6 can fit that bill. Short-term I'm holding out for a OBX8 desktop though -- no T6 will be purchased by me until the OBX8 desktop is released.
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I was trying to work out from the limited videos I've seen if the pot values are shown anywhere on any of the displays and I couldn't see anything resembling pot values when one was turned. But it's very difficult to tell because there's only one or two instances where any pot is turned.
It works in the same manner as on the Prophet-6 or OB-6: No parameter values in the main display, but a dot will indicate that you've reached a saved parameter value (this includes button settings, e.g. the choice of oscillator waveforms).
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I was trying to work out from the limited videos I've seen if the pot values are shown anywhere on any of the displays and I couldn't see anything resembling pot values when one was turned. But it's very difficult to tell because there's only one or two instances where any pot is turned.
It works in the same manner as on the Prophet-6 or OB-6: No parameter values in the main display, but a dot will indicate that you've reached a saved parameter value (this includes button settings, e.g. the choice of oscillator waveforms).
OK thanks for the information :)
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I must say, after my initial disappointment, I actually really enjoy this release. Not sure if it's something I'd get but the fact Sequential wanted to do a new analog poly synth with a new filter and new oscillator structure and have it be something completely fresh....my hats off to them. It sounds fantastic and certainly has it's own unique character.
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I like it. I'm happy that the Sequential/SEM/Ladder filter trilogy is complete in poly form. Trigon-6 will be taken seriously as a ladder filter synth with three oscillators.
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Yes I was wondering if the Tri was referring to the 3 oscillators and the Trigon name a mixture of Triangle and Hexagon ?
Also agree, that Paul's patches sound great as usual :)
Presumably you’ve heard of Trigonometry at some point in your school life. 🙂
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Yes I was wondering if the Tri was referring to the 3 oscillators and the Trigon name a mixture of Triangle and Hexagon ?
Also agree, that Paul's patches sound great as usual :)
Presumably you’ve heard of Trigonometry at some point in your school life. 🙂
Indeed I have but that was over 40 years ago.
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Yes I was wondering if the Tri was referring to the 3 oscillators and the Trigon name a mixture of Triangle and Hexagon ?
Ha! Of course. :D Three oscillators (triangle) and six voices (hexagon). Hence, Trigon.
Hmmn, not so sure. If Dave named his synths based on oscillator counts then a P12 would have been named Quadgon for example. I think as Sacred synthesis suggested, a lineage of a particular style seems more likely.
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"New Sequential Synth"
The Prophet 10...
(This is a great demo of the Prophet 5/10 tone [rev4])
..Almost makes me want to sell my Pro3...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GhN5C_25fU
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All of a sudden, this is my new wish for the next Sequential synth. (Which was, a "multi-Pro3-synth")
A Prophet 5/10, with a deep mod matrix, and a third [digital, wavetable] oscillator!
{Oh! And 4 envelopes! ... and 3 LFOs}
(Yea, that's kinda similar to the multi-Pro3 thing... but)
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Looks like the typical response for the Trigon 6 is the same as it was for the P6 and OB6. That it's "harsh" and I've had to correct people that it's called gain staging. Dave always ran his newer Sequential synths hot as he loved distortion. It's up to the programmer to back the oscillators off in the mixer section so it doesn't drive the filter hard and also not crank the cutoff wide open as it introduces higher harmonic content. Vintage synths didn't have the higher harmonics or much gain staging. It's not that they sound better or worse. Think of it like a high gain guitar amp that you have to back off rather than a clean amp that you have to drive harder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgH-k3lBdVE&t=1s
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Looks like the typical response for the Trigon 6 is the same as it was for the P6 and OB6. That it's "harsh" and I've had to correct people that it's called gain staging. Dave always ran his newer Sequential synths hot as he loved distortion. It's up to the programmer to back the oscillators off in the mixer section so it doesn't drive the filter hard and also not crank the cutoff wide open as it introduces higher harmonic content. Vintage synths didn't have the higher harmonics or much gain staging. It's not that they sound better or worse. Think of it like a high gain guitar amp that you have to back off rather than a clean amp that you have to drive harder.
Part of it too may be that many people think more oscillators translates to a more powerful sound, and yeah its true with regard to gain and some synths do sound weak or unsatisfying on a single oscillator... especially softsynths... but at the same time it can get harsh or muddy fast if the second isn't used sparingly, and that will be more true of a third. Not such an issue on a mono synth, thus the popularity of three osc monos, but with polyphonic synths it becomes harder to mix.
Personally I think the value of multiple oscillators is to sculpt the timbre, not beef up the drive. But I tend to prefer a cleaner sound to a distorted one.
So far I haven't heard demos showing the T6 sounds as a monosynth.. that would be an odd reason alone to buy it, but I would love to hear the one-voice unison performance, as it wouldn't surprise me at all if it sounds better than the Model D. Both the Prophet6 and OB6 make great (and different sounding) monos in addition to being great polys.
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Looks like the typical response for the Trigon 6 is the same as it was for the P6 and OB6. That it's "harsh" and I've had to correct people that it's called gain staging. Dave always ran his newer Sequential synths hot as he loved distortion. It's up to the programmer to back the oscillators off in the mixer section so it doesn't drive the filter hard and also not crank the cutoff wide open as it introduces higher harmonic content. Vintage synths didn't have the higher harmonics or much gain staging. It's not that they sound better or worse. Think of it like a high gain guitar amp that you have to back off rather than a clean amp that you have to drive harder.
Part of it too may be that many people think more oscillators translates to a more powerful sound, and yeah its true with regard to gain and some synths do sound weak or unsatisfying on a single oscillator... especially softsynths... but at the same time it can get harsh or muddy fast if the second isn't used sparingly, and that will be more true of a third. Not such an issue on a mono synth, thus the popularity of three osc monos, but with polyphonic synths it becomes harder to mix.
Personally I think the value of multiple oscillators is to sculpt the timbre, not beef up the drive. But I tend to prefer a cleaner sound to a distorted one.
So far I haven't heard demos showing the T6 sounds as a monosynth.. that would be an odd reason alone to buy it, but I would love to hear the one-voice unison performance, as it wouldn't surprise me at all if it sounds better than the Model D. Both the Prophet6 and OB6 make great (and different sounding) monos in addition to being great polys.
There's a number of monophonic patches demoed in the video above.
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Looks like the typical response for the Trigon 6 is the same as it was for the P6 and OB6. That it's "harsh" and I've had to correct people that it's called gain staging. Dave always ran his newer Sequential synths hot as he loved distortion. It's up to the programmer to back the oscillators off in the mixer section so it doesn't drive the filter hard and also not crank the cutoff wide open as it introduces higher harmonic content. Vintage synths didn't have the higher harmonics or much gain staging. It's not that they sound better or worse. Think of it like a high gain guitar amp that you have to back off rather than a clean amp that you have to drive harder.
Part of it too may be that many people think more oscillators translates to a more powerful sound, and yeah its true with regard to gain and some synths do sound weak or unsatisfying on a single oscillator... especially softsynths... but at the same time it can get harsh or muddy fast if the second isn't used sparingly, and that will be more true of a third. Not such an issue on a mono synth, thus the popularity of three osc monos, but with polyphonic synths it becomes harder to mix.
Personally I think the value of multiple oscillators is to sculpt the timbre, not beef up the drive. But I tend to prefer a cleaner sound to a distorted one.
So far I haven't heard demos showing the T6 sounds as a monosynth.. that would be an odd reason alone to buy it, but I would love to hear the one-voice unison performance, as it wouldn't surprise me at all if it sounds better than the Model D. Both the Prophet6 and OB6 make great (and different sounding) monos in addition to being great polys.
There's a number of monophonic patches demoed in the video above.
Yeah but I got the impression he is more or less playing through presets rather than focusing on what it is capable of as a mono. A mono analog for me is primarily just about bass and lead, and I didn't really hear a showcase of either there.
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Looks like the typical response for the Trigon 6 is the same as it was for the P6 and OB6. That it's "harsh" and I've had to correct people that it's called gain staging. Dave always ran his newer Sequential synths hot as he loved distortion. It's up to the programmer to back the oscillators off in the mixer section so it doesn't drive the filter hard and also not crank the cutoff wide open as it introduces higher harmonic content. Vintage synths didn't have the higher harmonics or much gain staging. It's not that they sound better or worse. Think of it like a high gain guitar amp that you have to back off rather than a clean amp that you have to drive harder.
Part of it too may be that many people think more oscillators translates to a more powerful sound, and yeah its true with regard to gain and some synths do sound weak or unsatisfying on a single oscillator... especially softsynths... but at the same time it can get harsh or muddy fast if the second isn't used sparingly, and that will be more true of a third. Not such an issue on a mono synth, thus the popularity of three osc monos, but with polyphonic synths it becomes harder to mix.
Personally I think the value of multiple oscillators is to sculpt the timbre, not beef up the drive. But I tend to prefer a cleaner sound to a distorted one.
So far I haven't heard demos showing the T6 sounds as a monosynth.. that would be an odd reason alone to buy it, but I would love to hear the one-voice unison performance, as it wouldn't surprise me at all if it sounds better than the Model D. Both the Prophet6 and OB6 make great (and different sounding) monos in addition to being great polys.
There's a number of monophonic patches demoed in the video above.
Yeah but I got the impression he is more or less playing through presets rather than focusing on what it is capable of as a mono. A mono analog for me is primarily just about bass and lead, and I didn't really hear a showcase of either there.
Listen again, he clearly plays monophonic bass patches. I'm not sure what you are expecting.
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Listen again, he clearly plays monophonic bass patches. I'm not sure what you are expecting.
What was stated pretty clearly in my earlier message.. " and I didn't really hear a showcase of either there"...
Operative word being *showcase*. I didn't say he didn't play mono patches, I said he didn't showcase them, which (at least as I meant it) means to show how complete the instrument is as a mono, exploring lots of mono sounds, demonstrating lots of variations, etc. I don't blame him for not doing this, because it is a polysynth after all, but hopefully someone will eventually. Again I think he was mostly going through presets, which are likely predominantly poly sounds. It's a little hard to know exactly what someone's goal or intent was when you don't understand their language.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtb-vIMfjMg&t=18s
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There’s a dedicated Trigon thread now. Might be useful to get this thread merged there.
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There’s a dedicated Trigon thread now. Might be useful to get this thread merged there.
Also sorry for duplicating the Deepsynths video in the sound demos thread, I somehow missed that Lobolives had already posted it.