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SEQUENTIAL/DSI => Take 5 => Topic started by: JensMelhede on September 01, 2022, 02:23:08 AM
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Hi all
New Take 5 owner as 2 days ago - also new to Sequential. I have Novation Peak and Novation SL MK3 also in my setup.
I'm using Ableton Live 11 on Windows 10 and would just like to find my favorite presets and create some favorite banks of my own and then start creating music, but the potential automation ease with PlugSE is also appealing.
Ideally I would also overwrite the factory preset banks with something I need, but that looks to be a little more challenging although there seems to be somebody who know how :-)
I'm in dialog with Mark from SoundTower troubleshooting why the Demo is not connecting correctly, hopefully this will be solved.
Any suggestion or recommendations from you experienced nice people in here, if you also note that I don't want to get to much into the deep technical solutions even though I work with IT :-) I rather make music...
Thanks in advance
Jens from Denmark
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Just discovered that with the SoundTower Take5 Sound Editor, you can freely use all 256 preset slots - reuse some of the factory presets or completely overwrite all of them with your own or ones you purchased.
Also SoundTower support (Mark) is in super helpful and friendly - fast to respond as well :-)
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I also bought the TAKE 5 editor today to finally be able to arrange and sort my sounds decently.
But an additional highlight is actually that you can overwrite the factory programs! Now we have 256 memory locations for user sounds!
I have also played around with the "Program Genetics", it's definitely a good source and inspiration for new sounds.
I also noticed a bug, let's see if Soundtower has a solution.
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One can also replace/overwrite the factory bank with the user bank using the hidden debug menu in Take 5.
The problem is that the factory bank is quite good and I would prefer to keep it and have more patch storage space instead.
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Let's hope that Soundtower will also update the TAKE 5 Editor so that we have access to all of the 256 user and the 256 factory sound locations (obviously it doesn't work properly at the moment).
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It's actually been a huge pain thus far heh.
I was able to use the editor to swap some plugins around so I'd have patches I need right in order in Bank 1, but for some reason, it kept resetting my custom ones to whatever the factory preset it's based on was (and also wouldn't update any patch name changes when I SysEx dumped to it). Infuriatingly frustrating, but after I unplugged, then re-edited, I could use my custom presets for the gig.
I'm afraid to use USB MIDI anymore, only 5-pin MIDI out so that the editor doesn't screw up what's on my Take 5 again. Hopefully fixes are coming!
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It's actually been a huge pain thus far heh.
I was able to use the editor to swap some plugins around so I'd have patches I need right in order in Bank 1, but for some reason, it kept resetting my custom ones to whatever the factory preset it's based on was (and also wouldn't update any patch name changes when I SysEx dumped to it). Infuriatingly frustrating, but after I unplugged, then re-edited, I could use my custom presets for the gig.
I'm afraid to use USB MIDI anymore, only 5-pin MIDI out so that the editor doesn't screw up what's on my Take 5 again. Hopefully fixes are coming!
Were your issues ever resolved?
I'm considering picking up the PlugSE version so I can see all my current settings for a given patch at a glance, but am thinking perhaps I should wait until sometime after the firmware update is officially released.
Also, does the PlugSE include the sequencer editor? It's unclear to me how the standalone and plugin versions differentiate, but despite the website's lack of clarity I'm guessing the plugin is missing the generative patch and sequencer editor features since they're not mentioned in the manual?
I don't really get why so much emphasis is placed on using the plugin for automation -- are there things that the plugin can make available for automation that can't already be done natively in your DAW, or is it just the facility of being able to see the patch settings at a glance while automating?
It's also weird that the manual uses screen grabs from other synths, and that some pages on the website have the wrong synth name in their title -- I mean I understand it's all got to be a lot of work maintaining documentation when you could be working on software features/fixes but a demonstrated attention to detail is a quality I look for in my tools.
Cobblers kids always need new shoes and small operations, yada yada, I get it, but gotta say my comfort level is not super-high and has def kept me from pulling the trigger.
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I don't really get why so much emphasis is placed on using the plugin for automation -- are there things that the plugin can make available for automation that can't already be done natively in your DAW, or is it just the facility of being able to see the patch settings at a glance while automating?
Watched a video on the Rev 2 product and see that automation written using the plugin version provides human-readable names of the adjusted parameters, which def has value, as does watching the virtual synth interface change in real time as automation runs.
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Is anyone using the Plug SE in Logic?
Finally got around to trying the demo and it's acting oddly -- I can turn any knob on the synth and see its equivalent change in the plugin, but when I tweak a given knob in the plugin, the change is not reflected in the synth except for a few controls. Is this a limitation of demo mode?
I tried to record some parameter changes in Logic and while the changes are captured, once I stop editing a given control, like say cutoff or resonance, additional data for that control is sent by the plugin to Logic -- is this another demo mode limitation -- a kind of data poisoning?
In the standalone editor changing the filter cutoff knob on the Take 5 looks janky/jerky/stuttery in the Editor equivalent knob animation, which is super-odd as control movement of any other knob is emulated smoothly, and it works fine in the plugin version. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I can find no documentation on what might be disabled in the plugin demo mode, but in the standalone version when I turn a knob in the editor interface I can see a flash alert of "Demo Mode" in the app tab bar.
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I can find no documentation on what might be disabled in the plugin demo mode, but in the standalone version when I turn a knob in the editor interface I can see a flash alert of "Demo Mode" in the app tab bar.
Ugh, I am blind.
(https://www.lewisfrancis.com/images/take5plugse.jpg)
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Got a quick response from SoundTower after emailing them this morning.
I tried to record some parameter changes in Logic and while the changes are captured, once I stop editing a given control, like say cutoff or resonance, additional data for that control is sent by the plugin to Logic -- is this another demo mode limitation -- a kind of data poisoning?
This appears to be a bug, awaiting further information from SoundTower.
In the standalone editor changing the filter cutoff knob on the Take 5 looks janky/jerky/stuttery in the Editor equivalent knob animation, which is super-odd as control movement of any other knob is emulated smoothly, and it works fine in the plugin version. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
This appears to be an optimization that is present in the PlugSE version but hasn't made it to the standalone editor yet.
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I can find no documentation on what might be disabled in the plugin demo mode, but in the standalone version when I turn a knob in the editor interface I can see a flash alert of "Demo Mode" in the app tab bar.
Ugh, I am blind.
(https://www.lewisfrancis.com/images/take5plugse.jpg)
The potentially confusing thing about this is that you can actually record changes in any of the buttons/knobs and they will be reflected in Logic and in the PlugSE during playback, but only the features listed in the screen grab will be "heard" by the Take 5.
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I tried to record some parameter changes in Logic and while the changes are captured, once I stop editing a given control, like say cutoff or resonance, additional data for that control is sent by the plugin to Logic -- is this another demo mode limitation -- a kind of data poisoning?
This appears to be a bug, awaiting further information from SoundTower.
Welp, maybe not a bug per se but perhaps a FOL/documentation oversight -- works as exected when the Take 5 has Local set to Off. Will pass this along to Mark and see what he has to say.
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It would also be nice if we could finally get an update from Sound Tower that takes into account the Take 5's new memory structure. Unfortunately, I can't do much with the software at the moment.
In addition, there are a few bugs in the program that I've been waiting half a year to fix.
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It would also be nice if we could finally get an update from Sound Tower that takes into account the Take 5's new memory structure. Unfortunately, I can't do much with the software at the moment.
In addition, there are a few bugs in the program that I've been waiting half a year to fix.
To be fair it likely makes sense to wait until the firmware update is officially released, but does the Phantom Banks feature utilize the new memory structure? It's not documented in the manual, but neither is the sequencer edit mode. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
What are the bugs you've noted still awaiting fixes, if you don't mind sharing?
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What are the bugs you've noted still awaiting fixes, if you don't mind sharing?
Sorry for answering only now. I just checked my "bug list":
- "Save all data as sysex file doesn't" work (loading a sysex file works)
- Renaming programs doesn't work properly, program behaves stangely and changes aren't stored in the synth
- Renaming by right clicking on the program in banks overview doesn't work
- Program often freezes
- Data exchange (e.g. receiving banks) stops short after having started ("data not received or received incomplete")
I’ve told these points to Mark in September and he wanted to look at them…
The program is a great tool and it’s looking fine, but in the state it is now it’s almost unusable (at least for me).
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What are the bugs you've noted still awaiting fixes, if you don't mind sharing?
Sorry for answering only now. I just checked my "bug list":
- "Save all data as sysex file doesn't" work (loading a sysex file works)
- Renaming programs doesn't work properly, program behaves stangely and changes aren't stored in the synth
- Renaming by right clicking on the program in banks overview doesn't work
- Program often freezes
- Data exchange (e.g. receiving banks) stops short after having started ("data not received or received incomplete")
I’ve told these points to Mark in September and he wanted to look at them…
The program is a great tool and it’s looking fine, but in the state it is now it’s almost unusable (at least for me).
Ugh. Thanks much for that -- are you using the Mac or Windows version?
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Ugh. Thanks much for that -- are you using the Mac or Windows version?
I’m using Windows 11.
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Ugh. Thanks much for that -- are you using the Mac or Windows version?
I’m using Windows 11.
Thanks again, and huh. My guess is that that's the primary platform of the developer and I might expect less problems there than on ported versions, but software is hard.
Do we have any Mac users here seeing the same (or different) bugs?
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Hi all,
I've just updated to the recent version 1.14 of the Editor (for the new OS 2.0) and checked "my old bugs" (see post above).
Fortunately it seems that several issues are solved but I still have the following problems. Perhaps someone of you can also check or confirm them:
- Renaming a program in the software still isn't stored/updated in the synth
- Renaming by right clicking on the program in the banks overview still doesn't work.
Thanks in advance!
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Hi all,
I've just updated to the recent version 1.14 of the Editor (for the new OS 2.0) and checked "my old bugs" (see post above).
Fortunately it seems that several issues are solved but I still have the following problems. Perhaps someone of you can also check or confirm them:
- Renaming a program in the software still isn't stored/updated in the synth
- Renaming by right clicking on the program in the banks overview still doesn't work.
Thanks in advance!
I can confirm that both of those operations work in the Mac version standalone v1.14 Take 5 editor.
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Hi all,
I've just updated to the recent version 1.14 of the Editor (for the new OS 2.0) and checked "my old bugs" (see post above).
Fortunately it seems that several issues are solved but I still have the following problems. Perhaps someone of you can also check or confirm them:
- Renaming a program in the software still isn't stored/updated in the synth
- Renaming by right clicking on the program in the banks overview still doesn't work.
Thanks in advance!
I can confirm that both of those operations work in the Mac version standalone v1.14 Take 5 editor.
Thanks for checking!
I’ll contact then Soundtower support.
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In the standalone editor changing the filter cutoff knob on the Take 5 looks janky/jerky/stuttery in the Editor equivalent knob animation, which is super-odd as control movement of any other knob is emulated smoothly, and it works fine in the plugin version. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
This appears to be an optimization that is present in the PlugSE version but hasn't made it to the standalone editor yet.
Sadly, this issue remains unaddressed in the Mac version standalone v1.14 Take 5 editor.
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With the release of the v2 Take 5 OS I purchased both the Sound Tower standalone and plugin editors and am slowly becoming acquainted with their features and have a couple questions:
- Any tips on using the sequencer edit facility? It's still undocumented afaict.
- While using the control version of PlugSE in Logic I've noticed that the Take 5 is unresponsive until you wiggle the synths volume pot. Anyone else seeing this?
I don't remember the latter when I previewed the demo version with the .22 version firmware beta, but there was so much other weirdness resulting from not understanding the demo limitations that I might not have recognized the issue. I'm running with Local off when using PlugSE as there appear to be feedback issues otherwise.
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While using the control version of PlugSE in Logic I've noticed that the Take 5 is unresponsive until you wiggle the synths volume pot. Anyone else seeing this?
What appears to be happening is when you first initialize PlugSE that the Master Volume is set to zero, even after retrieving the active settings. Wiggling the Master Volume, either on the synth or in the plugin UI then "wakes up" the PlugSE as well as bring the level of the Take 5 up from zero. Not sure if this is a bug or by design for the PlugSE to send a MIDI Volume level message when it first launches, guess I'll ask Mark.
FYI if anyone runs into this, too, using version 1.3.0.
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While using the control version of PlugSE in Logic I've noticed that the Take 5 is unresponsive until you wiggle the synths volume pot. Anyone else seeing this?
What appears to be happening is when you first initialize PlugSE that the Master Volume is set to zero, even after retrieving the active settings. Wiggling the Master Volume, either on the synth or in the plugin UI then "wakes up" the PlugSE as well as bring the level of the Take 5 up from zero. Not sure if this is a bug or by design for the PlugSE to send a MIDI Volume level message when it first launches, guess I'll ask Mark.
FYI if anyone runs into this, too, using version 1.3.0.
Mark is at NAMM this week but said it appears they should not have automated the volume knob in PlugSE, hopefully we'll see a quick fix.
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Hi,
I'm trying right now the sound editor for the T5 (v2.0).
Some features intrigue me.
I'm wondering whether they are hidden features of the T5 or features only of the editor :
- what are the "phantom program banks" ? What are they for ?
- is the Category of a program somehow stored in the T5 ? Is it only an association between a program name and a Category managed by the editor ?
Thanks for any clue.
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Hi,
I'm trying right now the sound editor for the T5 (v2.0).
Some features intrigue me.
I'm wondering whether they are hidden features of the T5 or features only of the editor :
- what are the "phantom program banks" ? What are they for ?
- is the Category of a program somehow stored in the T5 ? Is it only an association between a program name and a Category managed by the editor ?
Thanks for any clue.
The phantom program bank thing is undocumented and I didn't get a response when I asked Mark about its function. My assumption was that it had to do with the then-in-beta expanded memory locations, but as I haven't needed the extra space yet I haven't tested that assumption.
Pretty sure Category is a Librarian-only indexing feature.
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The phantom program bank thing is undocumented and I didn't get a response when I asked Mark about its function. My assumption was that it had to do with the then-in-beta expanded memory locations, but as I haven't needed the extra space yet I haven't tested that assumption.
Pretty sure Category is a Librarian-only indexing feature.
The editor v1.1.4 supports officially the T5 OS v2.0 with expanded memory locations but the phantom program bank feature is still there. It's a pity that you didn't get a response from the developer.
I tend to agree with you on the Category feature.
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The phantom program bank thing is undocumented and I didn't get a response when I asked Mark about its function. My assumption was that it had to do with the then-in-beta expanded memory locations, but as I haven't needed the extra space yet I haven't tested that assumption.
Pretty sure Category is a Librarian-only indexing feature.
The editor v1.1.4 supports officially the T5 OS v2.0 with expanded memory locations but the phantom program bank feature is still there. It's a pity that you didn't get a response from the developer.
I tend to agree with you on the Category feature.
Oh, the other thing the phantom banks might be is for overwriting the factory preset area, which I think you can't do from the T5 on its own? Maybe some who have had the tool longer than I can explain it for us.
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You cannot modify factory preset from the synth.
But you can load sounds into the factory location via Sysex.
So I guess the sound editor should be able to modify directly sounds in the factory location by sending Sysex messages under the hood.
I'm still trying the editor by running it in demo mode. So I can't confirm that.
I hope that the phantom program bank is not just for writing into the factory location.
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Regarding the Program Category, I've made some experimentation :
- On the T5 :
- I've initialized a user program, then made some adjustment to the sound and saved it with the name X1
- I've saved a factory program into a user program (next to the previous one) with a completely different name : X2
- Then on the Editor :
- I've "received" the user bank containing the 2 user programs : X1 has unassigned category, but X2 has the same category as the factory program !
So it seems like the Category is somehow stored in the Program memory.
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Regarding the Program Category, I've made some experimentation :
- On the T5 :
- I've initialized a user program, then made some adjustment to the sound and saved it with the name X1
- I've saved a factory program into a user program (next to the previous one) with a completely different name : X2
- Then on the Editor :
- I've "received" the user bank containing the 2 user programs : X1 has unassigned category, but X2 has the same category as the factory program !
So it seems like the Category is somehow stored in the Program memory.
Huh, interesting. What happens if you edit a saved Factory patch before retrieving it with the editor -- does it still have an associated category?
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Huh, interesting. What happens if you edit a saved Factory patch before retrieving it with the editor -- does it still have an associated category?
Yes, the associated category is kept.
With the demo mode, I can't save a category change in a program.
You could try on your side what I've done in an empty user bank (e.g bank G) to confirm the behavior.
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Huh, interesting. What happens if you edit a saved Factory patch before retrieving it with the editor -- does it still have an associated category?
Yes, the associated category is kept.
With the demo mode, I can't save a category change in a program.
You could try on your side what I've done in an empty user bank (e.g bank G) to confirm the behavior.
Ok, I'll take a look later tonight. Are you on the Mac or Win version of the SoundTower standalone?
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I'm using the Windows version of the standalone editor.
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You cannot modify factory preset from the synth.
You can copy User banks to Factory Banks using Debug menu on the synth.
* it does copy new banks 9 - 16 too.
It's not ideal but maybe of use to someone
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I'm using the Windows version of the standalone editor.
So I can't really tell if category info is saved with a user patch or not. I tested by copying the identical patch to two user locations, assigned a category to only one of them, then saved both individually as sysex format patch text files. Then I tried to load the category-assigned patch file into the non-categorized patch location in the editor Banks view and... nothing.
This feature appears to be broken in my Mac v1.1.4 version of the standalone editor.
A hex compare of the two files shows no difference, which suggests that the category info is not saved with the file, but that's assuming the files are written correctly. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I'm using the Windows version of the standalone editor.
So I can't really tell if category info is saved with a user patch or not. I tested by copying the identical patch to two user locations, assigned a category to only one of them, then saved both individually as sysex format patch text files. Then I tried to load the category-assigned patch file into the non-categorized patch location in the editor Banks view and... nothing.
This feature appears to be broken in my Mac v1.1.4 version of the standalone editor.
A hex compare of the two files shows no difference, which suggests that the category info is not saved with the file, but that's assuming the files are written correctly. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Welp, now I'm confused.
Thinking if the sysex files were properly written, I could maybe use a different sysex utility and send and save the two files to the T5, then retrieve them into the SoundTower standalone and see if the category data is preserved, and that does appear to be the case.
However, the two sysex files are identical, according to my hex editor, so how is the category information being preserved?
UPDATE: My bad, needed to switch to a tool that properly compared hex files -- the two files are different and so categorization is def preserved in the memory structure and sysex dumps.
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UPDATE: My bad, needed to switch to a tool that properly compared hex files -- the two files are different and so categorization is def preserved in the memory structure and sysex dumps.
Cool ! Thanks for your tests.
It seems that the Take 5 has room in its current program memory structure for potential new features !
I'll probably purchase the stand-alone sound editor for the Library and Category features.
I'm just annoyed by the following issues (specific to the Windows platform ?) :
- When clicking on ´Envelopes', the section containing the Envelope Routing button is not shown so I have to scroll horizontally a bit
- Scrolling with 2 fingers on the touchpad of my laptop doesn't work. I have to click on the list buttons or the list scrollbar to navigate within horizontal and vertical lists (as found in the Bank section). The scrolling via a mouse wheel works though but most of the time I don't use a mouse especially when I connect my laptop to the T5 (I don't have the space for that).
I'll reach SoundTower support.
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UPDATE: My bad, needed to switch to a tool that properly compared hex files -- the two files are different and so categorization is def preserved in the memory structure and sysex dumps.
Cool ! Thanks for your tests.
It seems that the Take 5 has room in its current program memory structure for potential new features !
I'll probably purchase the stand-alone sound editor for the Library and Category features.
I'm just annoyed by the following issues (specific to the Windows platform ?) :
- When clicking on ´Envelopes', the section containing the Envelope Routing button is not shown so I have to scroll horizontally a bit
- Scrolling with 2 fingers on the touchpad of my laptop doesn't work. I have to click on the list buttons or the list scrollbar to navigate within horizontal and vertical lists (as found in the Bank section). The scrolling via a mouse wheel works though but most of the time I don't use a mouse especially when I connect my laptop to the T5 (I don't have the space for that).
I'll reach SoundTower support.
FWIW clicking on the tabs slide the UI to the appropriate section for me on the Mac, but I can't scroll using the mouse or trackpad gestures unless I grab the scroll thumb and move that old-school. There's a lot of stuff in the UI that do not follow MacOS standard conventions, though, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Hi all,
I've created a Google spreadsheet to document my SoundTower bugs (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oGQgRp5CB7B3_HEjjB2cJ0NfWLHRRKE4K2HqXfwkvx8/edit?usp=sharing) and workarounds while I explore this toolset. There are tabs for the standalone editor, PlugSE, and undocumented features.
If anyone would like to add their own bugs feel free to message me with your email address for editor access or just the bug details, and I'll add them to the tracker.
Cheers!
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Regarding Phantom Banks functionality -- still haven't heard back from SoundTower but found a reference in the Rev2 forum where creativespiral writes: it has a "phantom banks" function that lets you create virtual banks outside the ones on the Rev2... useful for large scale reorganization of presets and creating your own user banks.
Makes sense, though it's not at all obvious to me just by looking at the feature. Maybe if it had been called something like "Organizing Banks" my brain may have sparked. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I've got some answers from the SoundTower support :
- on Windows, the shortcut key (Alt+E) shows correctly envelopes with routings. That's a workaround for the Envelopes button. Hopefully, this will be corrected in the future as I found easier to use the button.
- Phantom program banks : "If you have a collection of Take 5 banks then you can quicky load them to Phantom banks and have them there at your disposal without committing them to TAKE 5 banks."
Regarding Phantom Banks functionality -- still haven't heard back from SoundTower but found a reference in the Rev2 forum where creativespiral writes: it has a "phantom banks" function that lets you create virtual banks outside the ones on the Rev2... useful for large scale reorganization of presets and creating your own user banks.
So it's confirmed.
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I've got some answers from the SoundTower support :
- on Windows, the shortcut key (Alt+E) shows correctly envelopes with routings. That's a workaround for the Envelopes button. Hopefully, this will be corrected in the future as I found easier to use the button.
- Phantom program banks : "If you have a collection of Take 5 banks then you can quicky load them to Phantom banks and have them there at your disposal without committing them to TAKE 5 banks."
Regarding Phantom Banks functionality -- still haven't heard back from SoundTower but found a reference in the Rev2 forum where creativespiral writes: it has a "phantom banks" function that lets you create virtual banks outside the ones on the Rev2... useful for large scale reorganization of presets and creating your own user banks.
So it's confirmed.
Thanks. Just that description if placed in the docs would help new users so much, I find it's an odd omission, but it seems to be missing from even very old Soundtower products. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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- Renaming a program in the software still isn't stored/updated in the synth
- Renaming by right clicking on the program in the banks overview still doesn't work.
For your information, I've just bought the latest version (v1.1.4) of the standalone SoundEditor and the 2 features work seamlessly on my Windows 10 22H2 laptop :
- renaming a program or modifying the sound in the editor is reflected in the synth, but you need to perform a write to actually store it in the synth. This is done via the menu Edit > Write Program in the editor. Or you can do a write directly on the synth.
- renaming by right clicking on a program in the banks list is immediate / direct.
I hope this helps.
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Hi all,
I've created a Google spreadsheet to document my SoundTower bugs (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oGQgRp5CB7B3_HEjjB2cJ0NfWLHRRKE4K2HqXfwkvx8/edit?usp=sharing) and workarounds while I explore this toolset. There are tabs for the standalone editor, PlugSE, and undocumented features.
If anyone would like to add their own bugs feel free to message me with your email address for editor access or just the bug details, and I'll add them to the tracker.
Cheers!
Anyone hear from Soundtower about forthcoming bug fixes? I followed up a couple months after submitting my bugs and have so far received no response after the initial "we should fix those promptly" assertion.
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Checked in again with SoundTower and found that while the plugin version fixes are still in queue, the standalone editor has a new 1.2 release available. https://www.soundtower.com/take5/take5_download.html
Hope to give it a once over tonight.
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I've just updated to v1.20 but didn't notice any relevant changes (I didn't spend much time either).
But one thing continues to bother me and I don't know if it's a bug or if I'm using the program incorrectly:
If I change the name of a program in the editor in the banks overview or on the program page, it is changed directly in Take 5 after pressing "OK", but apparently not saved. If I then change the program in the synth or in the program, the name is as before the change.
Am I doing something wrong? Do I have to press "write" manually on the synth when changing names?
Thanks in advance for any tips on this.
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Checked in again with SoundTower and found that while the plugin version fixes are still in queue, the standalone editor has a new 1.2 release available. https://www.soundtower.com/take5/take5_download.html
Hope to give it a once over tonight.
Unfortunately out of the issues I'm documenting at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oGQgRp5CB7B3_HEjjB2cJ0NfWLHRRKE4K2HqXfwkvx8/edit?usp=sharing the two major issues were not fixed as promised, at least on the Mac side. One minor issue was addressed, but sadly not the one that really annoyed me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I can't imagine this release was pushed out to just address the minor issue, wonder what else was addressed?
Mark has been informed of my findings and I'll report back any response and document it in the tracker.
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I've just updated to v1.20 but didn't notice any relevant changes (I didn't spend much time either).
But one thing continues to bother me and I don't know if it's a bug or if I'm using the program incorrectly:
If I change the name of a program in the editor in the banks overview or on the program page, it is changed directly in Take 5 after pressing "OK", but apparently not saved. If I then change the program in the synth or in the program, the name is as before the change.
Am I doing something wrong? Do I have to press "write" manually on the synth when changing names?
Thanks in advance for any tips on this.
Hey, it should either automatically save to the selected synth memory location or to the edit buffer, depending on how you go about it. The following is from Mark at SoundTower:
When in the Program Banks view, if you load single programs using the mouse right-click popup menu then programs should be automatically written to a selected bank/program slot. When single programs are loaded via window menu then they are only loaded to the edit buffer.
Unfortunately this was a pre-existing bug on the Mac (and maybe Win as well?) that doesn't appear to have been addressed in v1.2.0. Are you still unable to rename patches in Bank 5 or higher in the Banks> User view?
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Hey, it should either automatically save to the selected synth memory location or to the edit buffer, depending on how you go about it. The following is from Mark at SoundTower:
When in the Program Banks view, if you load single programs using the mouse right-click popup menu then programs should be automatically written to a selected bank/program slot. When single programs are loaded via window menu then they are only loaded to the edit buffer.
Ugh. Is Mark referring to selected bank/program slots in the editor or in the synth? I assumed the latter but realize the response is somewhat ambiguous as written. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Renaming programs - I've just checked this issue again:
- Renaming via right click on a program in the banks view works, but only for the first 4 USER banks! The renaming window doesn't open at all when trying to rename a program in this way from USER bank 5 and above.
- After having renamed a program (USER 1 to 4) via right click the respective program name is instantly and permanently overwritten in the synth - so that's the proper way it should work.
- When renaming a program via clicking on the name in the program/parameter view, the name is changed in the program and in the synth's display, but obviously only in the edit buffer. When changing the program in the synth (without manually writing) the new name is gone.
So this is a real bug and I will write to the support so that he will have a look at it.
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I already got an answer from Soundtower/Mark:
"Yeah, this was the original restriction for renaming only first 4 USER banks. We forgot to lift it in the Bank View. However, there is no such restrictions in the Program Bank Manager and Librarian.
Regarding the renaming in the Edit Buffer, this is correct. If you do not write that program any changes will disappear."
So my observations are correct. I replied to him that it would be great if they would apply the possibility to change program names directly in the Bank View for all Banks. This limitation to User Banks 1-4 is hardly to understand as it doesn't make any sense.
Let's hope they will do this.
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Hey, it should either automatically save to the selected synth memory location or to the edit buffer, depending on how you go about it. The following is from Mark at SoundTower:
When in the Program Banks view, if you load single programs using the mouse right-click popup menu then programs should be automatically written to a selected bank/program slot. When single programs are loaded via window menu then they are only loaded to the edit buffer.
Ugh. Is Mark referring to selected bank/program slots in the editor or in the synth? I assumed the latter but realize the response is somewhat ambiguous as written. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Ok, Looking at the docs (https://www.soundtower.com/take5/manual/bank_panel.html) I can confirm that loading in sysex via the contextual menu on a patch slot in the Banks view should write the new patch to the Take 5, not just the edit buffer, which is what it currently does.
Pasted, renamed, loaded and initialized programs will be automatically written to the TAKE 5 at the selected Bank/Program location.
If you like to load saved single programs only to the edit buffer only, then use the Load Single Program function located under the window File menu.
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As indicated in my previous post of last May :
- renaming a program or modifying the sound in the editor modifies only the synth buffer, and you need to perform a write to actually store the modification in the synth. This is done via the menu Edit > Write Program in the editor. Or you can do a write directly on the synth.
- renaming by right clicking on a program in the banks list is immediate / direct.
This works for me on my Windows laptop but I haven't renamed a program from bank 4 and above.
Having said that, there is a newer version 1.2.2 that has just been released.
I've just tried it and no problem for renaming a program in any bank.
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As indicated in my previous post of last May :
- renaming a program or modifying the sound in the editor modifies only the synth buffer, and you need to perform a write to actually store the modification in the synth. This is done via the menu Edit > Write Program in the editor. Or you can do a write directly on the synth.
- renaming by right clicking on a program in the banks list is immediate / direct.
This works for me on my Windows laptop but I haven't renamed a program from bank 4 and above.
Having said that, there is a newer version 1.2.2 that has just been released.
I've just tried it and no problem for renaming a program in any bank.
Confirmed that bank patch renaming now works for banks >4 in v1.22 on the Mac.
However, loading saved sysex into patch slots continue to only fill the edit buffer, contrary to what the docs (https://www.soundtower.com/take5/manual/bank_panel.html) state.
Also noticed that the MIDI connectivity settings don't seem to take effect until after you quit and restart the app. I think that has been a problem since at least 1.1.4 but I forgot to document it in my tracker (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oGQgRp5CB7B3_HEjjB2cJ0NfWLHRRKE4K2HqXfwkvx8/edit?usp=sharing), will update now.
On the plus side I didn't have to re-enter my name and registration code this time.
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Checked in again with SoundTower and found that while the plugin version fixes are still in queue, the standalone editor has a new 1.2 release available. https://www.soundtower.com/take5/take5_download.html
Hope to give it a once over tonight.
Unfortunately out of the issues I'm documenting at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oGQgRp5CB7B3_HEjjB2cJ0NfWLHRRKE4K2HqXfwkvx8/edit?usp=sharing the two major issues were not fixed as promised, at least on the Mac side. One minor issue was addressed, but sadly not the one that really annoyed me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I can't imagine this release was pushed out to just address the minor issue, wonder what else was addressed?
Mark has been informed of my findings and I'll report back any response and document it in the tracker.
Anyone have SoundTower news about upcoming bug fixes? Have tried contacting a couple times but haven't heard anything back, just sent another query. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Hi,
There is a new version of the editor : v1.4.0.
I haven't tried it yet.
From the video, there are some GUI improvements including a zoom feature.
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Hi,
There is a new version of the editor : v1.4.0.
I haven't tried it yet.
From the video, there are some GUI improvements including a zoom feature.
The new GUI features are welcome but I'm surprised that the zoom is so sluggish on my Apple Silicon MBP. Once you've zoomed the interface, you can no longer scroll the extended banks interface. Guess I'll add that to my bug tracker. (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oGQgRp5CB7B3_HEjjB2cJ0NfWLHRRKE4K2HqXfwkvx8/edit?pli=1#gid=0)
UPDATE: After a few more minutes of testing I realized that the banks panel scrollbar only works when the banks panel has focus -- after zooming focus returns to the main interface and you have to click on a bank patch in order for the banks scrollbar to again function. Ideally when a user clicks in the scroll well or on the scroll thumb then the banks panel would activate and respond but only clicking on a bank patch results in panel activation.
None of the remaining issues in my bug tracker have been addressed by this update -- in trying to validate one of the issues I uncovered an overlooked bug that's been present since at least v1.1.4 where attempting to load a sysex file from the File > Load SysEx File menu item always results in a No TAKE 5 Programs Data found in this file! error msg. Does this work for any of you Windows users?
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None of the remaining issues in my bug tracker have been addressed by this update -- in trying to validate one of the issues I uncovered an overlooked bug that's been present since at least v1.1.4 where attempting to load a sysex file from the File > Load SysEx File menu item always results in a No TAKE 5 Programs Data found in this file! error msg. Does this work for any of you Windows users?
Turns out that feature only works with bank sysex files, not individual patch sysex, and is working as designed.
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Discovered a new v1.4.0 Dec. 6 release of the SoundTower PlugSE (https://www.soundtower.com/plugse/take5/plugse_download.html) DAW plugins for both Mac/Win. Nothing posted yet to describe any fixes or feature updates.
On my Mac it still sets the volume of your Take 5 to zero in Logic when first instantiated, which will trip up new users.
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PSA: While looking to see if any information about the new PlugSE update had been released I noticed several videos on SoundTower's YouTube channel that may be helpful to new users (https://www.youtube.com/@soundtowerchannel/videos) covering setups, recovery, banks, librarian and categories. These are generic vids that apply to all Oberheim, Dave Smith Instruments and Sequential versions of the SoundTower editor, and all are denoted with the name of the feature being described and "4K."
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Hi all!
I have installed the Take 5 Soundtower plug-in. I use the control plug-in in Ableton. Inputs directly on the synth are taken over by the control plug-in/editor. Unfortunately, when I change parameters in the plug-in/editor, they are not recognized by the synth.
I have set all MIDI settings in Ableton Live 11 and also in the Global menu on the synth as described in the manual.
I can't get two-way communication to take place
Do you have an idea why?
Thank you
Greetings
Ronald
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Hi all!
I have installed the Take 5 Soundtower plug-in. I use the control plug-in in Ableton. Inputs directly on the synth are taken over by the control plug-in/editor. Unfortunately, when I change parameters in the plug-in/editor, they are not recognized by the synth.
I have set all MIDI settings in Ableton Live 11 and also in the Global menu on the synth as described in the manual.
I can't get two-way communication to take place
Do you have an idea why?
Thank you
Greetings
Ronald
I feel like the instructions (http://"https://www.soundtower.com/plugse/take5/manual/plugin_types.html") to use the Control type plugin is a typo and that SoundTower meant that Ableton users should instead use the Instrument type plugin, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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The v1.51 has been released.
I don't know what are the fixes as there are no release notes.
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The v1.51 has been released.
I don't know what are the fixes as there are no release notes.
Thanks for the alert!
I find that v1.5.1, at least on the Mac, fixes a long-standing issue with the way single saved patches are handled in the two methods SoundTower allows for, now aligning with the documentation. Nice to close another bug from the list.
Emulated filter knob animation is still janky when tracking the hardware version. I consider it a minor issue but still weird when the PlugSE version tracks fine.
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The v1.51 has been released.
I don't know what are the fixes as there are no release notes.
Huh, now I see v1.5.2 has been released.
Hope to install it tonight but came here because I saw that ST has released a YouTube video on how to work with their Phantom Banks editor (http://"https://youtu.be/Lm1RSOzdwX8?si=rQmpd2zWETq7OMUF"), which up to now has been undocumented.
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I find that v1.5.1, at least on the Mac, fixes a long-standing issue with the way single saved patches are handled in the two methods SoundTower allows for, now aligning with the documentation. Nice to close another bug from the list.
And v1.5.2 seems to have brought this bug back. sigh.
The documentation states that either of the two methods that allow loading of saved sysex should send that sysex to the edit buffer, but when right-clicking on a program in a bank view and loading the sysex from that menu should also populate the patch slot in the editor/librarian.
I dunno. Maybe SoundTower thinks the two methods should be treated consistently and hasn't updated the documentation.
Reported to SoundTower.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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And v1.5.2 seems to have brought this bug back. sigh.
Mark thanked for the report and wrote he would "get this checked and fixed (again)."
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And v1.5.2 seems to have brought this bug back. sigh.
Mark thanked for the report and wrote he would "get this checked and fixed (again)."
Hopefully, the newly released v1.5.3 has the fix for your issue.
Still no release notes and the release date sticked to March 15th.
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And v1.5.2 seems to have brought this bug back. sigh.
Mark thanked for the report and wrote he would "get this checked and fixed (again)."
Hopefully, the newly released v1.5.3 has the fix for your issue.
Still no release notes and the release date sticked to March 15th.
Thanks!
I'll connect it to my Take 5 tonight after work but just running 1.5.3 on its own that issue doesn't appear to be addressed, at least not on the Mac.
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And v1.5.2 seems to have brought this bug back. sigh.
Mark thanked for the report and wrote he would "get this checked and fixed (again)."
Hopefully, the newly released v1.5.3 has the fix for your issue.
Still no release notes and the release date sticked to March 15th.
Thanks!
I'll connect it to my Take 5 tonight after work but just running 1.5.3 on its own that issue doesn't appear to be addressed, at least not on the Mac.
Yup, no change when hooked up to my T5. Wonder what issues have been addressed. in v1.5.3?