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Title: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on October 06, 2015, 08:14:54 AM
This thread is for music made primarily with the Prophet 12 Keyboard or Module.  There has been a scarcity for quite a while now of online recordings made with this beautiful monster.  More P12 pieces, please!
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: BoBSwanS on October 20, 2015, 03:05:15 AM
Quite a few tracks featuring my P12M on my Soundcloud that i posted in the other forum
Most recent one is this
https://soundcloud.com/bobswans/yawnloop

I just made a playlist of the tracks that are entirely P12
https://soundcloud.com/bobswans/sets/prophet-12
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: duff on November 13, 2015, 10:02:19 AM
not really music, not really a song... but it's audio recorded from a prophet12!

https://duffegan.bandcamp.com/album/sacra

https://duffegan.bandcamp.com/album/answer-to-job
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on November 17, 2015, 08:16:39 AM
This video is definitely worth listening to.  It shows a side of the Prophet 12 that precious few demonstrations bother to cover.  It does sound good to my ears and I'm happy to hear that the P12 has this much potential in this sonic domain.  I do wish the program had incorporated the B Output option and had panned layers, though, because it would have greatly enhanced the sound.   

In my opinion, both the Poly Evolver Keyboard with a rack and Prophet '08 Keyboard with a module could positively surpass this patch, in terms of depth, richness, and animation.  It was a good challenge, but the older instruments still have it. 

What I'd like to hear next is a Prophet 12 Keyboard with a module, each panned to opposite sides.  If I go in the Prophet 12 direction, this would be my intention.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3La5LE3kvA
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: dslsynth on November 17, 2015, 11:42:19 AM
What I'd like to hear next is a Prophet 12 Keyboard with a module, each panned to opposite sides.  If I go in the Prophet 12 direction, this would be my intention.

Remember that Prophet 12 with its DC modulation source allows for stereo panning the voices without use of the Output B option. In other words you don't need both keyboard and module for stereo effects.

What a keyboard/module combo will give you is the option of stereo panning two stacked sounds which gives a total of four filers and sixteen oscillators per key. Or twenty oscillators if you use the suboscillator too! Or it will allow you to stereo pan twelve voices. Offer of the week: only $5200! ;-)

Only downside is that it will not change the overall tone of the instrument  which is root cause for me wanting both analog and digital oscillators in a voice architecture.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on November 17, 2015, 12:08:39 PM
Yes, I know that, but the keyboard-module combination creates a superior 12-voice stereo field that doesn't require modulation, and has other advantages as well.  It's an ideal in the process of designing sounds to have individual units in front of you.  It also allows you to differently process each instrument, which deepens the field even more.  For example, it's quite a stunning effect to use a faint sound with lots of reverb as a sort of musical backdrop to the main sound.  I suppose this is why Dave bothered to add the B ouputs.

I haven't played a Prophet 12 myself, but I've listened over and over to all the P12 recordings on YouTube and Soundcloud, and not one has struck me for its stereo depth or even resembled my idea.  I usually hear panning, which is not at all what I have in mind.  The above recording is another example of this.  I'm after a natural sounding stereo/spatial effect - a wideness and a depth - and an instrument jumping from side to side is anything but natural.  To me, it's actually distracting.  And although it's true - pairing an instrument and a module still leaves you with the same instrument - nevertheless, it can unexpectedly improve the overall tone.  That's what I've found with the Poly Evolver and Prophet '08.

I've also experimented with three MIDI-ed Prophet '08s.  The master is centered, while the slaves are panned to opposite sides.  I compared the results with two Prophet '08s panned and was quite surprised by the results.  Even monophonic patches sounded far superior. 
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on November 18, 2015, 09:21:43 AM
Here's a sincere question coming from some one who's never played a Prophet 12.  The last two posts above duplicate an exchange that I've had many times with folks.  I'm always told that the B Outputs are not needed to create a stereo field with the P12, that it can be done with modulation or the stereo spread; and I then respond as I did above. 

Thus far, I haven't heard a single recording of the P12 that used anything like a deep stereo spread, and that includes the video I posted above.  Panning - notes jumping back and forth from side to side - is not even close to what I have in mind.  So, if modulation achieves a deep stereo spread, then what purpose does the B Output feature serve, other than what I've said above?
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Makes_Synth_To_Me on November 18, 2015, 01:15:29 PM
A little ambient P12 number for your consideration.

https://soundcloud.com/makes_synth_to_me/jazzient-the-ride-home (https://soundcloud.com/makes_synth_to_me/jazzient-the-ride-home)
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: yewtreemagic on November 18, 2015, 01:32:58 PM
A little ambient P12 number for your consideration.

https://soundcloud.com/makes_synth_to_me/jazzient-the-ride-home (https://soundcloud.com/makes_synth_to_me/jazzient-the-ride-home)

Wow - I love this P12 tune, and even joined this forum to say this  ;)


Martin
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Makes_Synth_To_Me on November 18, 2015, 02:26:41 PM
 ;)
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: AdamPloof on November 23, 2015, 06:06:46 PM
Here's a piece I put together a while ago, but only got around to posting last week. Recently my P12 has gotten a lot of use at home, at gigs and in the studio. In the last couple of months I got to be a part of two album projects where the Prophet was able to fill a variety of roles - from atmospheres to front of the mix leads. It's been really sweet!

I intend to write a follow up post talking about a couple of these sessions in more detail. Once the mixing is all done I'll be sure to share that too.

Also note that I'm not much of a filmmaker so my apologies for any quirks of production :).

https://vimeo.com/146147411

-Adam

http://madebyrobotsmusic.com


Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: dslsynth on November 25, 2015, 01:55:12 PM
Great tracks, AdamPloof & Makes_Synth_To_Me! :)
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: BoBSwanS on November 30, 2015, 02:28:21 AM
I have produced a new demo for a bank of 99 patches i have available to purchase

https://soundcloud.com/bobswans/sets/dsi-prophet-12-patches-by

Patches can be purchased here
http://bobswanspatches.byethost3.com/Prophet%2012%20Patches.html

Enjoy   :)
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: D_Davis on January 08, 2016, 09:45:23 AM
Really nice sounds, Bob Swan.

Here is a live improv performance I did with the P12, Infinity Looper, and Bigsky.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IzyHt-VY24
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: dslsynth on January 08, 2016, 01:17:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IzyHt-VY24

Great stuff! I am on the third listening now. The BigSky is on my drool list for sure!
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Chaparral on January 25, 2016, 02:41:37 PM
This was live from an ancient church with a backing track recorded in another ancient church (all originally in quadraphonic) using only Cassandra (my prophet 12) and an old Akai multitrack recorder. My only audience was a random German tourist (he loved it).

https://soundcloud.com/andy-15-3/01-st-beunos-clynnog-fawr
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Chaparral on January 27, 2016, 05:14:40 AM
Here's a sincere question coming from some one who's never played a Prophet 12.  The last two posts above duplicate an exchange that I've had many times with folks.  I'm always told that the B Outputs are not needed to create a stereo field with the P12, that it can be done with modulation or the stereo spread; and I then respond as I did above. 

Thus far, I haven't heard a single recording of the P12 that used anything like a deep stereo spread, and that includes the video I posted above.  Panning - notes jumping back and forth from side to side - is not even close to what I have in mind.  So, if modulation achieves a deep stereo spread, then what purpose does the B Output feature serve, other than what I've said above?


For starters I am running my P12 in Quadraphonic - stereo A plus stereo B = four channels and with some canny modulation I can send sounds in any direction. There must be any number of possible spatial configurations. I toyed with Left A being the same sound as Right B so I could modulate from Right A to Left A/Right B to Left B which let me smoothly transition between a much greater range of sounds than before. I believe that the tiny manual just touches on the surface of what can be achieved with this synth. A lot of folks seem to be interested in what old sounds can be recreated, but my preference is to push boundaries. I recommend two stereo output pedals (for A and B) which enables blending of the two voices.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on January 27, 2016, 05:35:56 AM
Any possibility you could post a recording here?  Again, I've never actually heard the effect I'm describing.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: HESpook on January 30, 2016, 04:18:02 PM
I finished a track today in which I, apart from piano, used nothing but the Prophet 12 and a BigSky. Some mixing going on of course but no additional instruments or samples other than the aforementioned piano.

https://soundcloud.com/denstorabilen/pano (https://soundcloud.com/denstorabilen/pano)

I figured it would fit nicely in this thread.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: nikwal on January 31, 2016, 02:22:24 AM
Improvisation done when I first got the p12, was'nt really going so save it but what the heck..(the two newest tracks probably got some p12 in them too but mixed with some roland fa)
https://soundcloud.com/nikwal/prognosticator-twelve
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: yewtreemagic on January 31, 2016, 08:10:47 AM
I finished a track today in which I, apart from piano, used nothing but the Prophet 12 and a BigSky. Some mixing going on of course but no additional instruments or samples other than the aforementioned piano.

https://soundcloud.com/denstorabilen/pano (https://soundcloud.com/denstorabilen/pano)

I figured it would fit nicely in this thread.

Really enjoyed this - well done that man!  8)


Martin
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: HESpook on January 31, 2016, 12:26:56 PM
Thanks you yewtreemagic!

Improvisation done when I first got the p12, was'nt really going so save it but what the heck..(the two newest tracks probably got some p12 in them too but mixed with some roland fa)
https://soundcloud.com/nikwal/prognosticator-twelve

Nice! Very relaxing music in general.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: AdamPloof on January 31, 2016, 06:14:28 PM


Improvisation done when I first got the p12, was'nt really going so save it but what the heck..(the two newest tracks probably got some p12 in them too but mixed with some roland fa)
https://soundcloud.com/nikwal/prognosticator-twelve

The spaciousness and timbres used in this reminds me of Steve Hauschildt a bit. Nice stuff.

I finished a track today in which I, apart from piano, used nothing but the Prophet 12 and a BigSky. Some mixing going on of course but no additional instruments or samples other than the aforementioned piano.

https://soundcloud.com/denstorabilen/pano (https://soundcloud.com/denstorabilen/pano)

HESpook, were the drum sounds used also made by the P12?

Cool tune.

-Adam
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: HESpook on February 01, 2016, 02:58:22 AM
Yes! :)

I've forcing myself to make the drums too as a way to get out of my comfort zone and explore new timbres. These ended up a bit bright in my opinion but didn't realize until I had already told myself that I was done.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Mr Kay on February 02, 2016, 04:40:29 PM
Hi,

Here are some tracks with all the synth parts made with the P'12  :)

https://soundcloud.com/thedisease/dawn
https://soundcloud.com/thedisease/interlude
https://soundcloud.com/thedisease/pulse-prophet-12-rework
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: AdamPloof on February 04, 2016, 08:54:02 AM
Hey All,

The Le Duo, a band that I play with, is currently releasing an album that was recorded last fall. Despite the name it's actually a four piece band though they have gone through many different formats over the years. This album, called Boogaloo for Improvisers, is quite a bit of a departure from some of the earlier free jazz experiments and goes in more funky directions.

Anyways, I played a Rhodes piano and a Prophet 12 exclusively throughout the project and I figure some of you might find it interesting hear the synth in an ensemble context. Check out the album and if you like it consider purchasing it - our band leader would be psyched to see people from outside of the area that are into it :)

If any of you live in or around Burlington, VT we'll be having an album release party at the beginning of March. Send me a message if you're interested in stopping by and I can give you the details.

give a listen here: http://theleduovt.bandcamp.com/

Thanks,

Adam
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: BoBSwanS on February 06, 2016, 08:56:09 AM
Here is one i never got around to posting, everything (Even the drums and percussion) on this is the P12 Module

I am pretty sure most of them are the built in presets mixed with some of the patches that have been released by this fine community. Enjoy

https://soundcloud.com/bobswans/bob-swans-prophet-12-demo-track

Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: shimoyjk on March 14, 2016, 03:18:47 PM
lil jam that I just did :p

I found out that I like to create patch such as brass, strings, pads, bell, leads for funk or pop music (like 80's vibe, and for dance music as well, not edm though.)

are there any tips to add warmths?

I'm thinking to sell p12 and get p6 or ob-6 but I don't want 49 keys, it has to be at least 61 keys...

p6 and ob-6 seems easier to program those patch easily.



https://soundcloud.com/kyumin-shim/prophet-12-jamming
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on March 14, 2016, 07:55:52 PM
Why not get a Prophet-6 Module and control it with your Prophet 12 Keyboard? 
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: shimoyjk on March 14, 2016, 07:59:57 PM
Why not get a Prophet-6 Module and control it with your Prophet 12 Keyboard?

hope I had enough money to buy p6 and honestly I don't like module somehow :( I just like to have a keyboard.


Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on March 14, 2016, 08:44:06 PM
I can appreciate that.  It's so much simpler and tidier to have only keyboard synthesizers with everything under the hood.  The module approach is an effective means of getting the exact capabilities you want, but it certainly has its complications.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Mr Kay on March 16, 2016, 05:32:09 PM
lil jam that I just did :p

I found out that I like to create patch such as brass, strings, pads, bell, leads for funk or pop music (like 80's vibe, and for dance music as well, not edm though.)

are there any tips to add warmths?


Some basic tips

- using PWM
- using the "slop" parameter (~10)
- adding a light overdrive (~4/5)
- using the HPF with a low cuftoff and heavy resonnance
- using the low pass filter on the delay lines

Here are some demos I made with the P'12

https://soundcloud.com/thedisease/sets/synth-sounds

The brass were easy to program, pads too, for the bells you now have the linear FM feature, the strings sounds are more tricky because you have to make a good use of the delay lines and LFO to create a decent ensemble chorus effect (string machines are generaly very basic synths with huge chorus).
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: hugo on March 17, 2016, 09:34:21 AM
some rock & roll with P12


https://soundcloud.com/torpe-2/05-drone

https://soundcloud.com/torpe-2/02-target

https://soundcloud.com/torpe-2/04-vinte-mil

https://soundcloud.com/torpe-2/06-domingo

different project

https://soundcloud.com/filhosdorockost/cassete

https://soundcloud.com/filhosdorockost/pouca-luz




Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Raphie on March 18, 2016, 12:13:43 AM
Prophet takes the chord stabs
https://soundcloud.com/raphiegrooves/so-far-away-from-me-avonlea-montague-cryophonik-raphie-grooves-remix
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: eXode on November 11, 2016, 11:56:08 AM
Some Prophet 12 music (not mine).

Sodium Lights by Miguel d'Oliveira: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEd7DWb1tEI
Demo by Stéphane Schott: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wvzRCFI4kg
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: AdamPloof on November 16, 2016, 08:56:03 AM
That was the first time I'd heard that piece by Stéphane Schott. It's a pretty cool example of the P12 sounding quite vintage.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: BobTheDog on November 16, 2016, 11:15:52 AM
The  Stéphane Schott piece especially on the soundcloud link with the drums ( https://soundcloud.com/lyynk/ecosphere?in=lyynk/sets/playlist-electro-electro-rock ) is a pretty good demo of the P12, shows its width.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on November 16, 2016, 12:37:30 PM
Wow, the stereo spread is much better on Soundcloud.  It makes quite a difference to the overall sound.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: eXode on December 06, 2016, 01:43:14 AM
Since this topic was brought up in another thread recently - I found this demo (almost a year old) of the Prophet 12 doing analog style sounds. Sorry if it has been posted before but this is the best demo in this style that I've found so far (imo).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az3_p_0z6vU
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on December 06, 2016, 08:17:41 AM
The creator of that video added this comment:

"Demo of 'how analog the Prophet 12 can be'."

You see, this is the argument that isn't supposed to be made, and yet, Prophet 12 owners make it all the time.  They're inviting the discussion, and that discussion always ends up considering exactly how well the Prophet 12 does traditional analog sounds.  Of course, the discussion makes perfect sense and is ultimately unavoidable, but we're all going to have different opinions about the end results.

Personally, I think the instrument does a fairly good job in that video.  Fairly good.  The problem is, that music is light years away from my own, so it doesn't give me a chance to make a meaningful judgment.  I would prefer to hear long sustained notes and chords so as to be able to assess the character, and a large dose of stereo layered patches.  Take, for example, this demonstration:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-TTRBsEJI4

Now this video gives the ear plenty of time to listen carefully and make a judgment.  Nothing against the creator, with whom I get along well, but this is precisely the sort of thin gritty quality that chases me away from the Prophet 12.  Pardon by bluntness, but in this case, a Prophet '08 could blow the Prophet 12 out of the water.  So, where there's common sonic ground between these two instruments - for me - the Prophet '08 wins every time.

I would add this video as well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxk5upl5-X0

This is an excellent demo of the instrument, and there are many fine analog sounds in it.  But my point is, the general character is quite average.  To my ears, it sounds on the stale side, in part, because of the constant mono field that is used, even though there is some panning.  But jumping from right to left is not a deep stereo field.

As much as I try, the best attempts of Prophet 12 users to prove the instrument is superb for standard analog sound creation only convince me of just the opposite.  I've listened to hours and hours of demonstrations, all in an attempt to convince myself of their view.  This is why I'm hoping for another flagship poly synth from DSI, if not this year, then then perhaps the next.

I think DSI should retain a bit more from their past.  The first generation of DSI polyphonic synthesizers had a quality that I just don't hear in the second generation.  Perhaps it entailed a certain roughness and imperfection, but the end result was personality and presence.  The Poly Evolver, for example - in spite of all its flaws - possesses a living breathing character that makes it seem more like an ensemble of musicians, rather than an ice cold inanimate electronic gadget.  DSI should revive the hardwired oscillator configuration.  (Stereo chorus is no substitute for it.)  Never mind that they've done it before and therefore don't want to repeat it.  Yes, they did it before, and it was stupendous.  Restore it, not as a configuration of modulation, but as a simple parameter with degrees, as on the Poly Evolver. 

Just one man's opinion.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Chaparral on December 06, 2016, 04:15:03 PM
I have to say Sacred Synthesis that I think I begin to appreciate your point of view. I am a huge fan of the P12 because I want to do new stuff. As I did with my (now knackered) DX7 I always want to make unique sounds, and the P12 is fantastic for that. I was so pleased with results that I had not focussed on the traditional sounds which sounded OK to me but uninspiring, like most of the presets. Over the last 2 years I have listened to your examples and can detect some difference in the qualities of P12 versus older sounds, which does not affect me, but I can imagine would annoy more traditional synth fans.
 I used to think you were being too picky whereas I now realise that we are both paying attention to different subtleties from different perspectives. Thank you for broadening my outlook  :)
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: dslsynth on December 06, 2016, 04:37:10 PM
Just one man's opinion.

You are preaching for at least one convinced! ;)

I have to agree with Chaparral. One better consider Prophet 12 as a machine for mostly digital sounds with a little Curtis polish. Had it just had analog filter feedback for tone shaping and analog oscillators for extra sonic foundation. I do get the instrument designers artistic vision but I also disagree somewhat with it.

This is what da robot had to say on the topic:
http://forum.davesmithinstruments.com/index.php/topic,875.msg10430.html#new
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on December 06, 2016, 07:53:00 PM
I have to say Sacred Synthesis that I think I begin to appreciate your point of view. I am a huge fan of the P12 because I want to do new stuff. As I did with my (now knackered) DX7 I always want to make unique sounds, and the P12 is fantastic for that. I was so pleased with results that I had not focussed on the traditional sounds which sounded OK to me but uninspiring, like most of the presets. Over the last 2 years I have listened to your examples and can detect some difference in the qualities of P12 versus older sounds, which does not affect me, but I can imagine would annoy more traditional synth fans.
 I used to think you were being too picky whereas I now realise that we are both paying attention to different subtleties from different perspectives. Thank you for broadening my outlook  :)

Thanks for that very honest and even humble post, Chaparral.  After thinking about it, I had intended when I got back home tonight to delete my previous post if there were no comments following it, because - believe it or not - I hate raining on someone else's party.  I don't mean to criticize an instrument that other people enjoy, and that includes DSI themselves, who are naturally and justifiably quite proud of their instruments.  But it seems impossible to dismiss the subject, since it's a natural one and unavoidable on a DSI synth forum, and especially in light of the fact that other people continue to post such videos and make such claims.  My main interest is not to put down anything or anyone, but only to establish a correct assessment of an instrument that cannot but attract me, if for no other reason, due to its size.  Being such a tremendous fan of DSI synthesizers, and loving large instruments like the Prophet 12, why else would I speak negatively about it?  It's my loss, that I don't care for it.

It might be obvious now why I would be interested in discussions about future DSI synthesizers, including a possible successor to the Prophet '08.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on December 06, 2016, 08:06:23 PM
I have to agree with Chaparral. One better consider Prophet 12 as a machine for mostly digital sounds with a little Curtis polish. Had it just had analog filter feedback for tone shaping and analog oscillators for extra sonic foundation. I do get the instrument designers artistic vision but I also disagree somewhat with it.

There's no shame in this.  It is what it is.  The Prophet 12 is great at some things but not at other things, just like my Prophet '08 and every other synthesizer.  I only wish the claims made about it were more accurate and helpful to those of us who have had to assess it from afar. 
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: raffor on January 14, 2017, 10:43:30 AM
Little Demo of the Prophet-12. Drums from TR-8, no external effects, just the machines.

http://soundcloud.com/lesartsnouveaux/p12-the-joy-of-12
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: BoBSwanS on March 20, 2017, 12:45:29 AM
Here is a new patch demo from me, these patches all have Poly AT programmed
I will release the patch set this weekend (25th) and i will post a new demo on that day

https://soundcloud.com/bobswans/bob-swans-p12-patches-2-available-soon

Enjoy
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: jdt9517 on March 21, 2017, 09:24:09 PM
Here is my latest with primarily P-12.  A little P-08 in the rhythm and the percussive sounds are DX-7.

Enjoy!

https://soundcloud.com/jdt9517/2017-02-19-waltz

Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: BoBSwanS on March 25, 2017, 11:50:59 AM
Another new demo

https://soundcloud.com/bobswans/p12-patches-2-demo-2
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: WytchCrypt on March 28, 2017, 11:02:33 AM
Hi all, I just finished my recording of Holst's "The Planets" suite using only my P12 module (and a touch of reverb from the Roland VS1880 recorder).  I created most of the patches myself, but a couple presets were just way too cool to ignore so I tweaked them a bit and just had to use them as well ;) 

I grew up with 70's prog so analog synth sounds are what I like best and my very 1st synth was a 1983 Sequential Pro One!  I know many people say the P12 can't do analog, but I'm insanely happy with it's ability to produce both the fat analog that I love and the digital crazy stuff as well.  With 4 OSC/4 LFO/4 env/4 delay and the modulation matrix, I really think of my P12 as the dream polyphonic modular I could never have afforded to build myself one module at a time  8)

I've uploaded my recording of "Mercury" to Soundcloud:

https://soundcloud.com/dennis-m-366105599/prophet-12-mercury?in=dennis-m-366105599/sets/prophet-12

I like to put a lot of stereo movement into my patches so listening with headphones is the best way to really hear what I'm trying to accomplish.  Either way, I'd be interested in what other P12 owners think of my effort  ;)
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Mr Kay on March 28, 2017, 11:53:30 AM
Welle, it sounds... very 70's :D
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: WytchCrypt on March 28, 2017, 02:12:07 PM
Welle, it sounds... very 70's :D

Thanks!  That's what I like  8) 

Funny, I did Pictures at an Exhibition and an album of Halloween themed classical pieces a few years ago on my Korg Radias and shared it with a pedal steel guitar playing friend.  His reply was that he hated it because it sounded like those awful 70's Tomita classical adaptations.  I thanked him for the compliment   ;)
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: jdt9517 on April 03, 2017, 09:32:10 PM
@WytchCrypt- I really liked it.  You developed some good sounds on the P-12.  I like 70's too!

I had never really listened to Holst before.   So, I listened to the whole Planets suite on Youtube.  I didn't realize what I had been missing.   He was definitely influenced by Wagner. 

I am becoming more and more impressed with the P-12.  It's capabilities are amazing.

Thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: WytchCrypt on April 04, 2017, 11:43:21 AM
@WytchCrypt- I really liked it.  You developed some good sounds on the P-12.  I like 70's too!

I had never really listened to Holst before.   So, I listened to the whole Planets suite on Youtube.  I didn't realize what I had been missing.   He was definitely influenced by Wagner. 

I am becoming more and more impressed with the P-12.  It's capabilities are amazing.

Thanks for sharing!

Thank you for your kind words!  After getting through the learning curve I've found that developing new P12 voices is almost as much fun as playing them  8)  I think I also took it as a challenge because there are so many anti-P12 posts out on other forums who claim it can't do vintage analog sounds.  I think it's a brilliant synth because it can do so many things so well and has so many mod matrix options.

Re: The Planets, other than Mars (which I knew well from King Crimson & ELP's cover versions) I had never heard any of the other pieces before recording them with the P12.  It was great fun to discover them this way and I was blown away by the compositions.  I'd been aware of the work forever but had no idea it was so cool!  The style reminds me a lot of Mussorgsky's Pictures at an Exhibition and Night on Bald Mountain along with Saint-Sens' Dance Macabre.  I believe these are often referred to as "symphonic tone poems".  Very cool melodies and harmonies going on all over the place with a dash of dissonance here and there to spice things up  ;)

I'm always on the lookout for other similarly styled classical pieces to do a P12 adaptation on...anyone have suggestions?
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Mr Kay on April 05, 2017, 12:40:58 PM
I guess you're likely to love this  :-D

https://soundcloud.com/thedisease/prophet-12-old-school-sounds-part-3
https://soundcloud.com/thedisease/prophet-12-pads
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: WytchCrypt on April 05, 2017, 01:26:17 PM
I guess you're likely to love this  :-D

https://soundcloud.com/thedisease/prophet-12-old-school-sounds-part-3
https://soundcloud.com/thedisease/prophet-12-pads

Very nice.  I especially like the sound on prophet-12-pads beginning at the 31 second mark  ;)
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: baexel on April 13, 2017, 10:00:24 AM
Here's an ambiant track with some P12 dirty dirty Strings.

https://soundcloud.com/baexel/tracking-clouds-by-baexel?in=baexel/sets/my-live-recorded-tracks-1

Thanks. Prophet love
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Chaparral on April 27, 2017, 06:22:51 AM
Here is a duet with guitar - Free Improv is not everyones cup of tea, but I thought some live spontaneous Prophet 12 might make a change from the other music here. https://soundcloud.com/user-408885790/id24pm-hedge-s2-t3-1345-1800
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: AdamPloof on May 02, 2017, 10:27:24 AM
Here is a duet with guitar - Free Improv is not everyones cup of tea, but I thought some live spontaneous Prophet 12 might make a change from the other music here. https://soundcloud.com/user-408885790/id24pm-hedge-s2-t3-1345-1800

Totally into it. A welcome bit of variety and my cup of tea indeed!
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: shimoyjk on May 09, 2017, 05:59:42 AM
Here is a remix of Don't Judge Me by Chris Brown.

Every sound is from P12 except Bass and EP.

https://soundcloud.com/kyumin-shim/dont-judge-me-remix-chris-brown


have been thinking to add ob-6 or swap to p6 but I decided to keep p12 since in the mix you can't really hear the difference.. Instead of another poly synth I got Moog Sub37 which is great for Bass and now I'm really happy to have
one great poly and great mono :)

Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: shimoyjk on May 09, 2017, 06:58:03 AM
here is another one :)

instrumental, short track

https://soundcloud.com/kyumin-shim/p12-demo
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: nikwal on May 16, 2017, 12:32:56 AM
Just played around a bit last night...  https://soundcloud.com/nikwal/slowtraingoing
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Mr Kay on May 21, 2017, 10:49:36 AM
A new track with heavy P'12 use  :)

https://soundcloud.com/thedisease/dusk
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on May 21, 2017, 03:08:19 PM
Very nice, Mr. Kay.  I especially like the deep bass.  And those strings are among the best I've heard from the Prophet 12.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: jdt9517 on May 21, 2017, 09:26:37 PM
This is a recent composition for me.  A lot of use of the P-12 and Pro-2.  The Pro-2 is becoming my synth bass of choice.  I really like its bass sounds.

The first track is the entire piece which features piano (Yamaha S-90).  I isolated the DSI instruments in the second track to show how they were used.  BTW, the drums are the S-90. Enjoy!

https://soundcloud.com/jdt9517/piano-rhythm 

https://soundcloud.com/jdt9517/piano-rhythm-dsi-synths 
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: AdamPloof on May 24, 2017, 10:22:04 AM
For those interested in somewhat wild group improvisation here's a short bit from a recent set with a band I play with called the le duo. It was recorded and filmed during a recent music festival here in Vermont that takes over the entire town where I live for a weekend. We were playing in a brewery and set up among the big brewing kettles -- a first for me :). There's not a lot of P12 in this set, but there's a little in there to whet your synth whistle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqA5mMuY5xY&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: jdt9517 on May 24, 2017, 08:51:13 PM
@Adam- It was fun watching your video.  You had some interesting sounds on the P-12.  I especially liked that you were playing a REAL Fender Rhodes piano rather than a sample.  It looked like it is in nice shape.  Don't see them on the bandstand often anymore.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Mr Kay on May 25, 2017, 04:33:26 AM
@Sacred Synthesis

Thanks, but when I hear your works with the PEK or a P'08, I guess making such sounds on the P'12 would be a piece of cake for you.

Keep in mind I haven't bougth my P'12 specially to make vintage stuff but more futuristic things like this, then I nicknamed my synth  The Modulator :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFGna9llnKI
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: jdt9517 on May 25, 2017, 07:57:27 AM
The Modulator :D

 ;D
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: WytchCrypt on May 25, 2017, 08:24:50 AM
Keep in mind I haven't bougth my P'12 specially to make vintage stuff but more futuristic things like this, then I nicknamed my synth  The Modulator :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFGna9llnKI

I like it...a very dark, post apocolyptic feel.  Hope I'm never in an environment that sounds like that  ;)  So how many tracks of P12 did it take to create that?
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Mr Kay on May 25, 2017, 01:59:57 PM
I haven't made this track, but it was this kind of feel I bought my P'12 for  ;)
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: AdamPloof on May 31, 2017, 08:42:16 AM
@Adam- It was fun watching your video.  You had some interesting sounds on the P-12.  I especially liked that you were playing a REAL Fender Rhodes piano rather than a sample.  It looked like it is in nice shape.  Don't see them on the bandstand often anymore.

Thanks for the kind words and for supporting my insistence on lugging around all 120lbs of Rhodes out to each and every gig. It's feedback like that that keeps my bandmates convinced that it's worth the backpain :). There are some sampled Rhodes' sounds out there that come pretty close, but there really is nothing like the real thing.

Keep in mind I haven't bougth my P'12 specially to make vintage stuff but more futuristic things like this, then I nicknamed my synth  The Modulator :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFGna9llnKI

Agreed -- lots of great synths out there that can do the vintage thing, but the P12 has a capacity for much more.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: dmfs on June 02, 2017, 08:59:27 PM
A new track with heavy P'12 use  :)

https://soundcloud.com/thedisease/dusk


Love this one too! Really good ensemble sounds out of the P12!!
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: WytchCrypt on June 06, 2017, 01:34:17 PM
Hi all,

  in a different thread BobTheDog requested I upload my P12 only recording of Holst's Mars in addition to my recording of Mercury so it's now up on SoundCloud at:

https://soundcloud.com/dennis-m-366105599/prophet-12-mars (https://soundcloud.com/dennis-m-366105599/prophet-12-mars)

Thanks!
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Mr Kay on June 08, 2017, 01:21:18 PM
On this track, there's only P'12 till 1'15 (and after there's Juno)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDzOT1zIXGY
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on June 08, 2017, 01:40:23 PM
Nice pads and chord progressions.  The Prophet 12 sounds very Evolver-esque.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Mr Kay on June 10, 2017, 01:50:36 AM
That's why I consider the P'12 as a PEK mk2, the opening sound is one of the very first sounds I programmed on this synth and at the times, I felt the vibes I had on the PEK, those two synhs definitely share the same DNA  :)
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Mr Kay on June 13, 2017, 12:56:24 PM
This song was built around the P'12 arpeggio :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tQyP1H4wkY&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: WytchCrypt on June 23, 2017, 02:32:06 PM
Hi all,

  after getting so many listens, encouragement, and positive responses to my Prophet 12 recordings of Mars & Mercury from Holst's "The Planets"...I decided to go ahead and upload the rest of the pieces from the suite as well.  You can access the whole album at my SoundCloud playlist:

https://soundcloud.com/dennis-m-366105599/sets/the-planets-on-a-prophet-12 (https://soundcloud.com/dennis-m-366105599/sets/the-planets-on-a-prophet-12)
 
As with Mars & Mercury: Venus, Saturn, Neptune, Jupiter & Uranus are also performed exclusively on my P12 Module with no other instruments - outboard processing is just a little reverb added when recorded to my good old Roland VS-1880.  I'd say 90% of the P12 voices are in monophonic unison mode, most of which I created myself and recorded 1 track at a time.

Hope my fellow Prophets' like them  ;)

Thanks!
Dennis
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: araucaria on June 23, 2017, 03:20:57 PM
  after getting so many listens, encouragement, and positive responses to my Prophet 12 recordings of Mars & Mercury from Holst's "The Planets"...I decided to go ahead and upload the rest of the pieces from the suite as well.

Very, very nice.
Cheers
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: AdamPloof on June 27, 2017, 08:18:29 AM
@WytchCrypt

This is really an awesome project. The P12 is well suited to these pieces and it's clear you put in a lot of work to bring this together. Well done!
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: WytchCrypt on June 27, 2017, 12:06:32 PM
@WytchCrypt

This is really an awesome project. The P12 is well suited to these pieces and it's clear you put in a lot of work to bring this together. Well done!

Thanks Adam and Araucaria for your kind words  ;) 

This all started last year when I began recording a P12 only take on Vivaldi's "The Four Seasons".  I was very happy with it, but wanted to take on a bigger challenge...and I thought what could be bigger than "The Planets"  8)

It took a few months of work and I finished the album back in late March.  I think the P12 is an incredibly versatile instrument that can cover anything from old school analog to modern day complex digital if you take the time to really dig in and experiment.  I guess I just got sick of reading negative reviews saying it can't do 70's analog sounds and wanted to prove them wrong :)
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on June 27, 2017, 03:28:46 PM
I thought these recent videos were excellent demos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hw-gH7TIBYw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9qv1PRh3o4
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: jdt9517 on June 27, 2017, 08:54:23 PM
@WytchCrypt

This is really an awesome project. The P12 is well suited to these pieces and it's clear you put in a lot of work to bring this together. Well done!

Agreed.  Really enjoy the work!
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: dslsynth on June 29, 2017, 11:16:46 AM
Great videos, Sacred Synthesis. Its interesting to see how one's appreciation of the instrument evolves over time as users gain more experience with the instrument and some of us perhaps get more to terms with its overall sound not having the same analog impact as the Evolvers. Had the Prophet 12 been sound-per-channel multi-timbral and my finances permitting it I would surely get a Prophet 12 Module.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on June 29, 2017, 12:24:34 PM
Maybe we could split one between us.  :D
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: dslsynth on June 29, 2017, 12:36:43 PM
Maybe we could split one between us.  :D

I could easily use a six voice so yes. Not sure how feature preserving (https://youtu.be/V5kNtebLcU4) that chainsaw would be though!
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Chaparral on June 30, 2017, 04:05:38 AM
dsisynth can you explain 'Had the Prophet 12 been sound-per-channel multi-timbral' please? I thought that was what I was doing with it.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: DavidDever on June 30, 2017, 05:41:16 AM
dsisynth can you explain 'Had the Prophet 12 been sound-per-channel multi-timbral' please? I thought that was what I was doing with it.

Might have been referring to multi- (i.e., greater than two, like a Tetra @ four-part multi-timbral) vs. bi-timbral operation (Prophet-12, Prophet '08 / Rev2 split/layer).
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Chaparral on June 30, 2017, 06:59:28 AM
Sorry, I'm not familiar with other synths but I am running Cassandra (my P12) in quadraphonic with two expression pedals allowing me to change the timbre of each of the four outputs in two distinct ways. To be honest I sometimes have problems finding the appropriate 'sweet spots' (should I want to) in this maze of options - I can't imagine anything more multitimbral. I guess this is a language issue and 'Multitimbral' has some tightly defined technical meaning.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: WytchCrypt on June 30, 2017, 10:44:23 AM
I guess this is a language issue and 'Multitimbral' has some tightly defined technical meaning.


I always believed the definition of multi-timbral to mean synths that can process 2 to 16 unique midi channels at one time and play as many assigned notes as possible up to the total polyphony.  According to the manual our P12's are bi-timbral, which to me would be a subset of multi-timbral  ;)
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: dslsynth on June 30, 2017, 12:37:40 PM
dsisynth can you explain 'Had the Prophet 12 been sound-per-channel multi-timbral' please?

I mean sound-per-MIDI-channel multi-timbral which allows for a separate and optionally layered sound on each MIDI channel. This have a wide range of applications ranging from sequencing over electronic percussion to per note expression in its various forms.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Chaparral on June 30, 2017, 03:36:04 PM
Thanks for explaining, I've not been using midi because of the latency and the desire to play everything live (in real time). I guess I've not moved far from my Tape recorder roots.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Mr Kay on July 08, 2017, 12:18:18 PM
Hi

Here's another song with a heavy use of Prophet 12 :)

https://soundcloud.com/babel-17/always-on-the-run
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: jdt9517 on July 10, 2017, 09:48:43 PM
Hi

Here's another song with a heavy use of Prophet 12 :)

https://soundcloud.com/babel-17/always-on-the-run

Like it!
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on July 29, 2017, 06:06:04 PM
A first piece:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQktiQLqHiE
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Mr Kay on July 30, 2017, 04:30:36 AM
When I eared what you made with the Prophet'08 and the PEK, I was ready to bet it'd be a piece of cake for you to make beautiful sounds on the P'12   :)


Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on July 30, 2017, 07:46:32 AM
Yes, it's almost a piece of cake to make decent sounds with the Prophet 12, but it did take the old stereo treatment to get it to an acceptable point.  As is, I found it rather lifeless, just as I had found the Prophet '08 lifeless years ago.  So, I used the two pair of output jacks to create a stereo signal, and that brought it to life, although it also obviously reduced it to a six-voice instrument.  It was worth it, though.

Most surprising of all, I found the Character section not to be useful in creating the sorts of patches I use.  This is contrary to what I've read from others over and over again.  Allegedly, Girth and Air were essential in creating pads with any degree of warmth and old school character.  By no means.  In the pads I was designing - in which warmth and prettiness were foremost - I found the section to work much like an EQ, with Decimation, Drive, and Hack adding much as the terms imply.  Sorry, not for me.  I could certainly see how the whole Character section could be used in creating very different types of sounds, but I preferred to leave everything at "0," as I did in the above recording.

If I were to buy a Prophet 12, it would be only with the intention of pairing it with a P12 Module, in the usual way.  But with this arrangement, I have to say, it would be a superb synthesizer.

The real issue for me is, which will be the better instrument, the Prophet 12 or the Poly Evolver Keyboard?  I think everyone who wants to speak about DSI synthesizers as if they know something should be required first to play for a few hours an eight-voice Poly Evolver Keyboard with good programs.  Among the whole line-up, I still say that the PEK is the exceptional instrument - so much so that I find myself always trying to emulate its strengths on other synthesizers.  For me, that's the only test the Prophet 12 must pass: could it fill a PEK's spot?  There's just nothing like a Poly Evolver.  That's why the question - Will Dave ever issue a PEK II? -  remains a question on this forum.  I realize the standard reply is always that the P12 is that PEK II, but I have to call that claim debatable.  The problem is, with DSI, Dave started out very very strong.

Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: DavidDever on July 30, 2017, 03:58:08 PM
I think everyone who wants to speak about DSI synthesizers as if they know something should be required first to play for a few hours an eight-voice Poly Evolver Keyboard with good programs.

...and therein lies the problem - without a quad set of Evolver Desktop (or the more-difficult-to-find Poly Evolver Rack) unit(s), you can't get eight voices out of a standard Poly Evolver Keyboard.

For live performances, stereo voice architecture is not a huge selling point, but for studio use, it's an absolutely beneficial arrangement which allows one to get far more depth out of the voice architecture.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on July 30, 2017, 04:42:09 PM
I realized I was asking for the impossible.  Still, a PEK and PER pair would make a useful reference point for much of our discussions.  It's unfortunate that most of us missed the big one.

Many people say that they've tried a PEK and didn't like it because it was thin-sounding.  I just have to laugh at that, because it's most likely due to their having listened to the factory presets which, I admit, are terribly caustic.  It's a shame the PEK wasn't given a longer production run and a fresh set of banks.  It was around only while DSI was a very small company, so the marketing probably was lacking.  But if it had better programs, a longer production life, and even one more voice for a total of five, it might have been much more popular.  Such a masterpiece.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Mr Kay on July 31, 2017, 03:31:01 AM
So, I used the two pair of output jacks to create a stereo signal, and that brought it to life, although it also obviously reduced it to a six-voice instrument.  It was worth it, though.

Yup, I was implicitely meaning that most of the P'08 tricks also work on the P'12  ;)

For the stereo, have you tried to modulate the panning on the delay lines? Modulating it with an LFO, I managed to program a ping-pong. Another very cool feature is the lowpass filter on these lines  :)


I could certainly see how the whole Character section could be used in creating very different types of sounds, but I preferred to leave everything at "0," as I did in the above recording.

I don't use this section a lot... For me, the most useful feature is by far the overdrive, very cool to make the sound beefier (the pot value between 7 and 15).


I think everyone who wants to speak about DSI synthesizers as if they know something should be required first to play for a few hours an eight-voice Poly Evolver Keyboard with good programs.  Among the whole line-up, I still say that the PEK is the exceptional instrument - so much so that I find myself always trying to emulate its strengths on other synthesizers.

The first DSI I ever used was a PEK in a store 10 years ago and I was blown away. Sadly, it was only 4 voices and I didn't have nor the room, nor the budget for a 8 voices solution  :(

So to tell you which one is the best between the P'12 and the PEK, I'd say the norman answer "m'ybe the PEK, m'ybe the P'12!", both are fantastic but structurally different, then they don't fulfill exactly the same needs...
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on July 31, 2017, 09:19:53 AM
I'm still of the opinion that the Evolver has the sonic edge, but the Prophet 12 has immensely impressed me.  There's just something about having all that power under your fingertips.  And I don't hold it against the instrument that the mono signal is unsatisfactory.  I'm obviously able to solve that problem in two different ways. 

If I actually buy a Prophet 12, I'll do the usual pairing of a Keyboard and a Module.  I would much prefer to have twelve voices mirror each other, rather than have the ping pong effect.  But you were right, Mr. Kay, in your complimentary comments about the P12, and I was wrong in my criticisms.  The fact it, basing one's judgment of a musical instrument on YouTube videos alone is a faulty approach, not because of the audio quality, because YouTube's quality is good enough.  Rather, it's a faulty approach because of what people do with the instrument in the videos.  I could find hardly a single synthesist who would use the P12 as I would.  There are hours and hours of the instrument being used to make very gritty, nasal, metallic sounds that tend to give me a headache or an earache, or both.  That is the real problem, and it's the reason I've many times suggested that DSI should take synthesizer demonstrations much more seriously. 

Producing these fabulous instruments, but then leaving them to be globally demonstrated by folks who don't seem interested in drawing out the sweet, lush, and exclusively musical side is a bit of a career risk, in my opinion.  I realize this view rubs some people the wrong way, but so be it; it's the truth.  If the Prophet 12 had been demonstrated in such a way, I certainly would have bought one two or three years ago, and I'm sure this would have been the case with many other musicians as well. 

One of the more common comments that I get from listeners to my YouTube channel is: "Unlike a hundred other videos I've listened to, your demonstrations of the Prophet '08 or Poly Evolver Keyboard have brought out the musical side, and for that reason I just ordered one".  I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm boasting, but I've gotten this comment many times.  DSI should establish a mean by which a variety of musicians demonstrate their new instruments by means of pieces of music.  It's the only way of countering the inevitable - that YouTube will be inundated with videos that fail to do DSI synthesizers justice.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: eXode on July 31, 2017, 09:27:23 AM
I don't understand why the Prophet 12, or REV2 for that matter, wasn't graced with a "DUAL" mode that would basically stack two voices on top of each other and where pan spread would simply pan the two voice further apart in the stereo field. Seems like a fairly easy thing to do and would give you instant stereo goodness.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: WytchCrypt on July 31, 2017, 09:45:16 AM
So to tell you which one is the best between the P'12 and the PEK, I'd say the norman answer "m'ybe the PEK, m'ybe the P'12!", both are fantastic but structurally different, then they don't fulfill exactly the same needs...


I bought one of the 1st PEK's and had lots of fun with it and used it on some recordings.  IIRC you could add an evolver to bring the polyphony up from 4 voices to 5...never tried it myself.  Problem was, the PEK's tiny LCD screen drove me absolutely nuts!  I hated it!  If the PEK would have had the highly detailed OLED of the P12 module, I probably never would have sold it and eventually replaced it with a P12  ;)
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Robot Heart on July 31, 2017, 03:59:47 PM
I don't understand why the Prophet 12, or REV2 for that matter, wasn't graced with a "DUAL" mode that would basically stack two voices on top of each other and where pan spread would simply pan the two voice further apart in the stereo field. Seems like a fairly easy thing to do and would give you instant stereo goodness.

The Rev2 can accomplish this pretty easily by using the Fixed option for Pan Modulation Mode in the Misc Params. It allows a wide, fixed stereo field made up of both layers. You can read more about it on page 62 of the manual. (https://www.davesmithinstruments.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Prophet-Rev2-Users-Guide-1.0.pdf?x72411)

It does require a little bit of setup so I understand it's not the same as having a dedicated button, but I wanted to point out it's possible without too much fuss.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Mr Kay on August 01, 2017, 03:46:41 AM
There's just something about having all that power under your fingertips.

That's definitely the feeling this synth gives me when I play it, and the fantastic UI helps to handle it ;D


The fact it, basing one's judgment of a musical instrument on YouTube videos alone is a faulty approach, not because of the audio quality, because YouTube's quality is good enough.

Yup, YouTube alters a little the sound, but not enough to make a beautiful sound sounding like crap. Personnally, I prefer trying synths before buying them, playing some factory presets and then initiate a basic patch to evaluate the oscillators and filter sections since heavy effects use can make illusion (ex : the Access Virus).

I made an exception with the P'12, but there were an early video where Dave made a presentation of the separated features and I crossed it with the InHalt videos of the P'08 vs P5 and OB8 (*) and my own experience with my Mopho Kb, so I took the risk to order one without having tried it.

(*) I was considering buying an old OB at the time I bought my P'12.


Producing these fabulous instruments, but then leaving them to be globally demonstrated by folks who don't seem interested in drawing out the sweet, lush, and exclusively musical side is a bit of a career risk, in my opinion.

The synth market changed... In the 70's and early 80's, costly analog polyphonic synths were used to try to emulate strings, horns, brasses, drums, but came the samplers and the romplers to fulfill those needs for a fraction of the price...

And today, most of DSI buyers are touring musicians who wanna add a vintage electro vibe to their rig and they're more likely to prefer the compacts and idiot proof Prophet'08, Prophet 6 and OB-6 rather than big and advanced PEK, Pro-2 and Prophet 12, which are mostly buyed by techno and electro-industrial freaks (ex : Trent Reznor, Cevin Key...)

The last time I tried a PEK, I noticed there was a sequenced preset called "Cars", it's a reference to Gary Numan's song, itself inspired by J.G. Ballard's novell "Crash!"  ;D
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Tempest1 on August 01, 2017, 08:00:26 AM
I saw a post on GS and then took the time to listen to the work. If this doesn't sell more Prophet 12's I don't know which patch libraries will. These are the kinds of patches that separate the old school bread and butter from the now and the future. All the patches are set up for all modulations making them playable without messing up the structure of the sound-perfect for producers and inspiring for synthesists.

Seriously, check out what is possible when the P12 is in the right hands:

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/12760293-post3269.html

The above link contains the direct links to the sound designer's soundcloud demos.

Otherwise just go here and click on the pictures to link to the demos: https://sellfy.com/black_materia







Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on August 01, 2017, 12:34:12 PM
I had to do it.  Prophet 12 Brass:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOb03S1-KoM
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: dslsynth on August 01, 2017, 12:35:31 PM
Prophet 12 Brass

Just found it on youtube. It sounds great (as always). :)
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on August 01, 2017, 12:48:17 PM
Thanks, DSLsynth.  I have this instrument only for another three weeks, so I'll just keep knocking out the demonstrations.  Then I'll see if I've convinced myself to buy one some day.  Hopefully, I will also have helped others to better appreciate the instrument.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: dslsynth on August 01, 2017, 01:11:06 PM
Thanks, DSLsynth.  I have this instrument only for another three weeks, so I'll just keep knocking out the demonstrations.

Very cool! I hope you get so much experience with it that you can decide how much you like it. Is that a keyboard or module edition you borrowed?

As for the discussion about Prophet 12 vs Evolver there is nothing new under the sun: Analog oscillators matter even if mangled by the A/D -> DSP -> D/A excursion. Digital oscillator implementation matter too as different realization have different sonic properties. To be honest I think the next sensible step in the evolution of digital oscillators would be to look towards Modal 002's NCO design. Or at very least offering more than one way to render the oscillator signal.

With that said if I was offered a Prophet 12 Module at a price I could afford and was it channel-per-voice multi-timbral I would very likely buy one. For now however, that is entirely computer science fiction and financial fiction. And who knows if a more interesting voice architecture would show up one of these NAMM shows?
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on August 01, 2017, 01:27:17 PM
It's the keyboard version.

Let me tell you a secret.  Don't tell anyone, okay?  For each sound I've programmed on the Prophet 12, the same patch on the Poly Evolver Keyboard has sounded even better.  I have another improvisation ready to go, and the PEK version sounded so much better that I was stunned.  But I'll post the P12 version anyways. 

The fact is, you just can't satisfactorily replace one instrument with another.  They're all too unique.  Hence, the Prophet 12 can't exactly replace a Poly Evolver, nor vice versa.  They both have their respective strengths and weaknesses.  However, the other lesson in all of this is that the Prophet 12 is a superb instrument, even from my old school viewpoint.  A person with my likes and tastes could positively be happy with it and do wonders on it.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: dslsynth on August 01, 2017, 01:35:03 PM
The fact is, you just can't satisfactorily replace one instrument with another.  They're all too unique.  Hence, the Prophet 12 can't exactly replace a Poly Evolver, nor vice versa.  They both have their respective strengths and weaknesses.  However, the other lesson in all of this is that the Prophet 12 is a superb instrument, even from my old school viewpoint.  A person with my likes and tastes could positively be happy with it and do wonders on it.

Point taken! Have you found sounds where Prophet 12 really shines? Looking over its voice architecture can you spot interesting uses for your music? Have you tired the DC source -> Pan destination trick for stereo panning voices without using the layer B outputs?
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on August 01, 2017, 01:48:03 PM
Point taken! Have you found sounds where Prophet 12 really shines? Looking over its voice architecture can you spot interesting uses for your music? Have you tired the DC source -> Pan destination trick for stereo panning voices without using the layer B outputs?

I think I already know where the instrument is strong, so I'm trying to learn where the instrument is weak, I'm and finding that it isn't weak where I had expected.  Does that make sense? 

I realize the instrument can be programmed for stereo, but it's not how I want to achieve it.  If I buy a P12, I'll do the usual pairing of keyboard and module.  No programming necessary and maximum flexibility.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: dsetto on August 01, 2017, 11:07:59 PM
I was listening to YouTube things, and a Sacred Synthesis - Prophet 12 video popped up. Figured YouTube was making a mistake.

Improvisation LXXX for Prophet 12 and Poly Evolver Keyboard is lovely. Let's just say I wish you could keep your PEK's and get a 12. Even if it's simply a muse. I don't know what's doing what, so I can't comment on a comparison. ... And you are right, in the end, one's personal explorations of a synthesizer is what matters the most, and cannot be fully gleaned from 3rd party experiences. YouTube demos and specifications can give one a ballpark sense.

I can't wait to hear some videos that exploit what you believe are the strengths, and unique elements of the 12. (I like to test the potential weaknesses first, as well.)
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Mr Kay on August 02, 2017, 01:14:43 AM
It's the keyboard version.

Let me tell you a secret.  Don't tell anyone, okay?  For each sound I've programmed on the Prophet 12, the same patch on the Poly Evolver Keyboard has sounded even better.

If you put exactly the same pot position, the P'12 will sound brighter because the filters are the same, but calibrated differently.

I noticed this when I tried to program my favourite Mopho sounds on my P'12, I had to lower a bit the cutoff and it sounded the same.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Paul Dither on August 02, 2017, 02:30:30 AM
I had to do it.  Prophet 12 Brass:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOb03S1-KoM

That's funny. I was about to ask whether you tried to swap the roles the PEK and the Prophet 12 took over for Improvisation LXXX, which you kind of did now by playing the brass patch on the Prophet 12, albeit the settings don't seem to be exactly the same.

How much do you miss the true stereo filter on the Prophet 12?
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on August 02, 2017, 09:20:38 AM
It's the keyboard version.

Let me tell you a secret.  Don't tell anyone, okay?  For each sound I've programmed on the Prophet 12, the same patch on the Poly Evolver Keyboard has sounded even better.

If you put exactly the same pot position, the P'12 will sound brighter because the filters are the same, but calibrated differently.

I noticed this when I tried to program my favourite Mopho sounds on my P'12, I had to lower a bit the cutoff and it sounded the same.

Yes, that's the case.  I'm not going by digits. though, but by ear.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on August 02, 2017, 09:23:39 AM
How much do you miss the true stereo filter on the Prophet 12?

The way I have it configured, it's a snap to slightly offset the filter of one layer, so there's no missing of the Evolver's stereo filter.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: WytchCrypt on August 02, 2017, 04:09:52 PM
Hi all,

a couple months ago I posted my P12 only recording of Holst's "The Planets" on SoundCloud and got lot's of great comments and listens.  Well, before I recorded "The Planets", I had recorded a P12 only arrangement of Vivaldi's "The Four Seasons" and released it on a Morpheus album I called, "Vivacity".  I had just enough minutes left on my SoundCloud account to exactly fill it up with that album...so...I figured, why not?  I just uploaded it to SoundCloud at:

https://soundcloud.com/dennis-m-366105599/sets/vivacity-vivaldis-four-seasons-on-a-dsi-prophet-12-synthesizer

Like "The Planets", the whole album is exclusively P12 (with a little reverb added with my old Roland VS-1880 deck) with all of the sounds recorded in mono/unison mode.  I'd say I created about 80% of the patches myself.  If you heard my version of "The Planets", this one is coming from the same place...a love of 70's analog synths and my attempts to get the P12 to cover that ground. 

Hope you like it!

Dennis
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on August 03, 2017, 04:50:19 AM
Stereo filter and polyphonic portamento:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_HhpoZW838

This instrument is really growing on me.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Soundquest on August 03, 2017, 08:11:43 AM
Hi all,

a couple months ago I posted my P12 only recording of Holst's "The Planets" on SoundCloud and got lot's of great comments and listens.  Well, before I recorded "The Planets", I had recorded a P12 only arrangement of Vivaldi's "The Four Seasons" and released it on a Morpheus album I called, "Vivacity".  I had just enough minutes left on my SoundCloud account to exactly fill it up with that album...so...I figured, why not?  I just uploaded it to SoundCloud at:

https://soundcloud.com/dennis-m-366105599/sets/vivacity-vivaldis-four-seasons-on-a-dsi-prophet-12-synthesizer

Like "The Planets", the whole album is exclusively P12 (with a little reverb added with my old Roland VS-1880 deck) with all of the sounds recorded in mono/unison mode.  I'd say I created about 80% of the patches myself.  If you heard my version of "The Planets", this one is coming from the same place...a love of 70's analog synths and my attempts to get the P12 to cover that ground. 

Hope you like it!

Dennis

Wytch Crypt,

I took a quick peek, but will listen to the whole thing at home later.   Doing the whole Planets is an undertaking for sure, and I have to say, the little I have heard so far you really captured that old Tomita sound, which is my absolute favorite.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: WytchCrypt on August 03, 2017, 09:59:48 AM
Hi all,

a couple months ago I posted my P12 only recording of Holst's "The Planets" on SoundCloud and got lot's of great comments and listens.  Well, before I recorded "The Planets", I had recorded a P12 only arrangement of Vivaldi's "The Four Seasons" and released it on a Morpheus album I called, "Vivacity".  I had just enough minutes left on my SoundCloud account to exactly fill it up with that album...so...I figured, why not?  I just uploaded it to SoundCloud at:

https://soundcloud.com/dennis-m-366105599/sets/vivacity-vivaldis-four-seasons-on-a-dsi-prophet-12-synthesizer

Like "The Planets", the whole album is exclusively P12 (with a little reverb added with my old Roland VS-1880 deck) with all of the sounds recorded in mono/unison mode.  I'd say I created about 80% of the patches myself.  If you heard my version of "The Planets", this one is coming from the same place...a love of 70's analog synths and my attempts to get the P12 to cover that ground. 

Hope you like it!

Dennis

Wytch Crypt,

I took a quick peek, but will listen to the whole thing at home later.   Doing the whole Planets is an undertaking for sure, and I have to say, the little I have heard so far you really captured that old Tomita sound, which is my absolute favorite.

Thank you, I hope you like it  ;)

I love Tomita!  His early albums are definitely the foundation that I build my classical music/synth approach on. 

Back in '75 I got into ELP and absolutely went nuts over their adaptation of Pictures at an Exhibition.  Then a few years later I heard Tomita's version and was completely blown away!  I remember thinking, "if I ever get one of these magical synthesizer things, that's what I want to do with it!" 

It's funny, Wendy Carlos' Switched on Bach may have single-handedly created the synth/classical music genre and jump started the modern synth revolution which is still going strong 50+ years later...but...for me it was Tomita that really took it up to another level.  Instead of using the synth to emulate orchestral instruments, his approach of exploring the technical limits of synth sound design and then integrating those sounds in unique ways in classical arrangements was what made him so special and influential - at least to me anyway  ;)

I did my own take on Pictures at an Exhibition 3 or 4 years ago on a Korg Radias and it turned out well, but I think our beloved P12 is even better suited to these types of projects  :) 
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on August 03, 2017, 04:52:58 PM
Hi all,

a couple months ago I posted my P12 only recording of Holst's "The Planets" on SoundCloud and got lot's of great comments and listens.  Well, before I recorded "The Planets", I had recorded a P12 only arrangement of Vivaldi's "The Four Seasons" and released it on a Morpheus album I called, "Vivacity".  I had just enough minutes left on my SoundCloud account to exactly fill it up with that album...so...I figured, why not?  I just uploaded it to SoundCloud at:

https://soundcloud.com/dennis-m-366105599/sets/vivacity-vivaldis-four-seasons-on-a-dsi-prophet-12-synthesizer

Like "The Planets", the whole album is exclusively P12 (with a little reverb added with my old Roland VS-1880 deck) with all of the sounds recorded in mono/unison mode.  I'd say I created about 80% of the patches myself.  If you heard my version of "The Planets", this one is coming from the same place...a love of 70's analog synths and my attempts to get the P12 to cover that ground. 

Hope you like it!

Dennis

A very impressive array of sounds and contrasts of timbres.  And yes, it definitely hints of Tomita, rather than Carlos.  Well done, WC.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: WytchCrypt on August 04, 2017, 08:43:20 AM
Hi all,

a couple months ago I posted my P12 only recording of Holst's "The Planets" on SoundCloud and got lot's of great comments and listens.  Well, before I recorded "The Planets", I had recorded a P12 only arrangement of Vivaldi's "The Four Seasons" and released it on a Morpheus album I called, "Vivacity".  I had just enough minutes left on my SoundCloud account to exactly fill it up with that album...so...I figured, why not?  I just uploaded it to SoundCloud at:

https://soundcloud.com/dennis-m-366105599/sets/vivacity-vivaldis-four-seasons-on-a-dsi-prophet-12-synthesizer

Like "The Planets", the whole album is exclusively P12 (with a little reverb added with my old Roland VS-1880 deck) with all of the sounds recorded in mono/unison mode.  I'd say I created about 80% of the patches myself.  If you heard my version of "The Planets", this one is coming from the same place...a love of 70's analog synths and my attempts to get the P12 to cover that ground. 

Hope you like it!

Dennis

A very impressive array of sounds and contrasts of timbres.  And yes, it definitely hints of Tomita, rather than Carlos.  Well done, WC.

Thanks Sacred Synthesis!

  coming from someone who digs so deep into the sound creation and architecture of our beloved P12, I consider your comment high praise indeed  ;)

Dennis
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on August 04, 2017, 10:33:33 PM
Soft Strings:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtlfEopBkl4
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: shimoyjk on August 05, 2017, 12:14:11 AM
demo except drums comes from maschine :)

bit of reverb, other than that it's all from p12. I was playing around today with the drum beat and came up with this.

oh and I got ob-6 recently. I love it as well. it has the bottom end that p12 is missing (I need to learn more about p12. how to program it and all mod possibilities)

https://soundcloud.com/kyumin-shim/p12-demo-1
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: jdt9517 on August 11, 2017, 09:46:07 PM
Soft Strings:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtlfEopBkl4

I really like it.  The patches that make the timbre do not resemble the P-08 but can be both dark and soaring in the right places.  I could listen to it all day.    :)   I really like that part of your new palette!!
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: jdt9517 on August 11, 2017, 10:03:47 PM
Soft Strings:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtlfEopBkl4

I really like it.  The patches that make the timbre do not resemble the P-08 but can be both dark and soaring in the right places.  I could listen to it all day.    :)   I really like that part of your new palette!!

*******

OK, I listened your Improvisation LXXX - Amazing.  The sound is so spectacular!  I hope you continue to move this direction
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on August 12, 2017, 01:58:50 PM
Thanks, JDT.  Hmmm...I'm not sure what to say about this.  My YouTube channel has a number of improvisations on the Prophet '08 that are similar in timbre and mode to the above piece (for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9ILMTuuVIg&index=24&list=PL-CSFEgC2tTydFcvrBITryRPZHg4tUde5).  If there seems to be some inferiority in the P'08 piece, it's due to the poor recording technique I was then using. 

Although the Prophet 12 loaner is new (and temporary), the improvisation itself represents nothing whatsoever that is new for me.  In fact, my whole effort with the P12 has been simply to see how well it could reproduce Prophet '08 and Poly Evolver Keyboard material.  I've not been looking for its strengths, but its weaknesses, so as to understand where it could fit in my set up as a whole.  My point here is that the P'08 could easily do everything I've recently posted with the P12, and, in my opinion, a tad better.  What I learned is that my impression of the P12, based exclusively on the many YouTube and Soundcloud demonstrations, was way off.  This is a beautiful-sounding instrument that is well-equipped and ready and waiting to make warm lush music.  I would love to buy one, but, with the Rev2 on the horizon, I can't see how I could afford one in the near future.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on August 15, 2017, 03:52:00 PM
Soft ethereal pad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrOdrGuN01k
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: DavidDever on August 15, 2017, 06:20:26 PM
Soft ethereal pad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrOdrGuN01k

Ha ha, you're hooked! :) Sounds excellent.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on August 15, 2017, 07:14:07 PM
Thanks, David.  You betcha, I'm hooked!  I know a masterpiece when I meet one.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: jdt9517 on August 15, 2017, 11:25:06 PM
Thanks, JDT.  Hmmm...I'm not sure what to say about this.  My YouTube channel has a number of improvisations on the Prophet '08 that are similar in timbre and mode to the above piece. 

Ahh, the timbres were similar - but different.  That's what I liked.  You're starting a different direction.  You're new ethereal pad is really good to.  As David Dever said - you're hooked! 

What I found (though it now has been months since I have been able to spend time in the music room), is that the P-12 sends me different directions from the P-08.  I like what I get out of the P-08, but the there's a place the P-12 takes me that I really like.  The more I experiment with it, the better I like it.  The changes can be subtle, but in some cases not so subtle.   For example, the P-12 string sounds have a tonal difference that makes me compose differently.  I am listening to your P-12 Soft Strings right now, and can hear the difference between your P-8 compositions and this one.   It still has the signature Sacred Synthesis style, but it is different.  Maybe its just a progression of your art, or it may be the synth.  I think it's a combo of both.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on August 15, 2017, 11:39:20 PM
Well I sure won't argue with you.  I agree, the P'08 and the P12 are very different instruments, and they lead you in different directions.  I guess my main interest was in trying to figure out the P12, where it belongs and what it might replace.  I thought it might be a good update for my good old Poly Evolvers, but no.  Instead, I found it to be more similar to the P'08, even though light years beyond it in sophistication.  The three instruments are unique and complimentary.  No one synthesizer can replace the others and they actually make a superb ensemble.

Anyways, I learned a ton in my too short period with the P12 - about the instrument itself, but about other synthesizer and music-related things as well.  It was an extremely fruitful month, but it's just about over now.  Next I'll decide if I can part with a PEK to finance my own Prophet 12.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: jdt9517 on August 16, 2017, 10:56:47 PM
Next I'll decide if I can part with a PEK to finance my own Prophet 12.

I never thought I would see those words from you!   ;)  It is definitely a great instrument, and I have barely touched the surface in programming it.

As far as price goes, have you considered the module?  That's what I got.  It is really easy to program.  It can be a lot cheaper.   I got mine from Pro Audio Star for $1299 new on their Black Friday sale.  They may repeat it again this year.   Also, there is a guy locally in Denver which has a P-12M on Craigslist for $1300.  It's been there for awhile.  So, I guess he is flexible.  I'd be glad to look at it for you if you are interested.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on August 17, 2017, 10:02:54 AM
I would probably do the usual keyboard-module pairing for maximum musical power and depth.  Remember, I don't get all the gadgets.  What synthesists normally spend on sequencers, drum machines, and a dozen other I-don't-know-whats, I put exclusively into the instruments.  So, there's no extravagance here - just a different use of resources.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: shimoyjk on August 18, 2017, 01:23:48 AM
another track ;)

https://soundcloud.com/kyumin-shim/hero-remix

bass from sub37, intro&outro synth by ob-6, and all p12 keyboard.

gotta learn how to mix and program drum better but it's fun to just make some tracks.

Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: WytchCrypt on August 18, 2017, 10:38:21 AM
I would probably do the usual keyboard-module pairing for maximum musical power and depth.

I've seen a couple people mention this but don't really understand what this is about.  Are you saying having a P12 kybd & P12 module with identical patches doubling the parts?  Can you explain what the advantage of that is and how you would use it?  Could be I'm not seeing it because I normally use my P12 in unison mode for multi-track recording where I control the stereo field rather than live applications and never run out of voices  ;) 
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on August 18, 2017, 10:53:52 AM
Pairing the keyboard and the module is for both types of uses - for dumping the keyboard's identical programs onto the module, as well as for using different programs on each unit.  In the first case, the point is to very easily (without programming) achieve a stereo depth by panning the two identical sounds at the mixer.  This is essential for creating rich warm strings, brass, organ, pads, as well as monophonic patches.  In the second case, it's for twelve-voice bi-timbrality or six-voice quad-timbrality.  In both cases, it also allows for processing the layers differently.  Another technique is to slightly alter some aspect of one program's settings.  For example, setting the filter of one layer differently will create a stereo filter.  The first sound in this demonstration is an example of that and it does not use delay (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_HhpoZW838).

Folks have criticized this method as "overkill".  Not at all.  Personally, I don't like the sound of a mono signal.  To my ears it sounds dull, lifeless, and very unnatural.  My sonic standard with synthesizer is not the synthesizer, but the pipe organ, orchestra, and other acoustic ensembles or instruments.  My goal is always to de-accentuate its electronic character and to make it sound more acoustic.  So, with few exceptions, I maintain a stereo depth in my music and sounds.  Whether or not it's obvious on YouTube is a different question, but the original recordings sound gorgeous for their deep stereo.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Mr Kay on August 18, 2017, 11:00:59 AM
For the fun, a clip of the song using a lot the Prophet 12 and my bandmate definitely looking like a psycho and me with plenty of sunglasses :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHjY6SNGjJ0

Here are the places where I used the P12
0:00 the lead
0:10 the chords
0:30 the sync sound + the electronic bassline
1:10 the weird FM sound
3.45 the final sound
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: WytchCrypt on August 18, 2017, 09:29:36 PM
Pairing the keyboard and the module is for both types of uses...

Thanks for the explanation  ;)

The only detail that the P12 architecture disappoints me is the inability to directly pan the oscillators independently within a voice, though as I mentioned in another thread, multi track recording is my medium so I've developed ways around that.  I believe you've said before that you don't multi track, so running 2 in parallel stereo sounds like a great solution...that's a lot of Prophet Power  8)
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: RAPMAN on August 19, 2017, 02:44:11 AM
Heres a couple of albums i made using only the prophet 12 for synth and 99 percent tempest for drums:

https://open.spotify.com/album/2BNLyROMBrC4eyvzhhGTHe

https://open.spotify.com/album/0Eh7ZYtdZBPvI0cxTDjD6J

Emile the Duke
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on August 19, 2017, 08:57:09 AM
Pairing the keyboard and the module is for both types of uses...

Thanks for the explanation  ;)

The only detail that the P12 architecture disappoints me is the inability to directly pan the oscillators independently within a voice, though as I mentioned in another thread, multi track recording is my medium so I've developed ways around that.  I believe you've said before that you don't multi track, so running 2 in parallel stereo sounds like a great solution...that's a lot of Prophet Power  8)

We've both found workarounds that serve our purposes.  One more alternative is to use the two pair of output jacks and be content with six voices panned in stereo, such as I did this past month.  This is one of the reasons I'm always praising the Poly Evolver Keyboard.  It has hardwired stereo oscillators that can be brought into mono by degrees.  It's just perfect, and it's the cause of my appreciation for stereo synthesis.  But I can't figure out why Dave has never repeated this design.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: WytchCrypt on August 19, 2017, 09:41:28 AM

Thanks for the explanation  ;)

The only detail that the P12 architecture disappoints me is the inability to directly pan the oscillators independently within a voice, though as I mentioned in another thread, multi track recording is my medium so I've developed ways around that.  I believe you've said before that you don't multi track, so running 2 in parallel stereo sounds like a great solution...that's a lot of Prophet Power  8)

We've both found workarounds that serve our purposes.  This is one of the reasons I'm always praising the Poly Evolver Keyboard.  It has hardwired stereo oscillators that can be brought into mono by degrees.  It's just perfect, and it's the cause of my appreciation for stereo synthesis.  But I can't figure out why Dave has never repeated this design.

Hey, too bad we can't commission Dave to build a custom synth with the stereo oscillators of the PEK, modulation matrix of the P12 and large PEK sized characters displaying all or just active parameters of the info of the P12 OLED.  I think that could be a compromise to make us both crazy happy   8)

You know it's funny, back in '79 my very 1st keyboard was a Yamaha CP20 electric piano.  I couldn't afford anything else for a couple years so I ran that CP20 through every effects pedal I could find to create new non-piano sounds (Rat distortion, Small Stone phase shifter, Boss chorus and compressor, Memory Man analog echo, etc...)  It's sometimes the limitations of an instrument that give us inspiration to think outside the box.  Frank Zappa might say, by necessity we become mothers of invention  ;)
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on August 19, 2017, 09:56:37 AM
I agree; limitation is good and results in a deeper use of one's creativity.  But that idea you've got for a super DSI cut-and-paste synthesizer sounds good, too!  Can it be Evolver blue?  ;D
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: WytchCrypt on August 19, 2017, 01:30:59 PM
I agree; limitation is good and results in a deeper use of one's creativity.  But that idea you've got for a super DSI cut-and-paste synthesizer sounds good, too!  Can it be Evolver blue?  ;D

Yours can!  I'll take mine in Halloween orange  ;)
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on August 20, 2017, 06:07:54 PM
My last Prophet 12 demonstrations...for now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HME9xGXgbaY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZVA7TfI3nE
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: BobTheDog on August 20, 2017, 10:56:16 PM
Nice stuff there.

A shame you won't be doing anymore, I think your pieces will be very helpful to people looking at getting the P12. They will definitely help quash the urban myth that the P12 sounds bad!
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on August 20, 2017, 11:02:38 PM
Thanks, Bob.  Yes, I hope the pieces have that effect.  I tried to provide what has been largely missing.  After all, I'm partly to blame for that urban myth.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Soundquest on October 30, 2017, 10:44:29 AM
Well I'm seeing that the P12 is a "natural choice" for creating all sorts of creatures.   Just completed this one (all P12) which has the progression of birds,  spring peepers, geese, owl, and wolves, etc.     Brushes on drum are acoustic

https://soundcloud.com/wavescape-1/hidden-in-the-hemlocks

A few years ago I did a similar piece (called the Happy Raccoon) that also used some "hammer dulcimer".   That piece utilized sampled waves into a PEK from an actual dulcimer instrument.   Here I just used the P12 to approximate, but I its close. 
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Chaparral on October 31, 2017, 02:51:41 AM
What an excellent piece! I made a track some years ago using birdsong, but I used recordings and created the music around it. You have a good ear for the birdsong and a sensitive touch on the P12!
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Soundquest on October 31, 2017, 08:01:36 AM
Thank you Chaparral
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on October 31, 2017, 08:25:53 AM
Soundquest, you have a real talent for emulating nature sounds.  I've often wanted to do the same, but I don't think I could come close to your ability.  I'm curious, though - how or why do you have such an interest?  Are you a outdoorsman?
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Soundquest on November 01, 2017, 11:12:26 AM
Thanks Sacred Synthesis.    I do like the outdoors and try to get to quiet environments like in Southern Ohio and in the mountains of West Virginia every so often to refresh.  Doing so often reminds me just how noisy today's world is, especially now, when even the gas pumps have a TV screen blasting commercials at you.

It's perhaps an interesting story how I got into synthesis in the first place- which is related.    I used to help my older brother build those Radio Shack electronic kits.  Some were quite nice, like the "electronic bird".  By moving jumper wires from one spring to the next you could emulate different bird calls.  At that time I was just a kid, but I really liked this Tomita album he had called "Kosmos".  It was so just amazingly unworldly, yet earthy.  I'd sit there listening to it , looking at the album picture of Tomita surrounded by his synths, and think...man, I'd love to do that someday.  And so...I'd pick up that darn electronic bird kit and just pretend :)

Well, I ended up playing drumset most of my life instead, but that all changed about 9 years ago.   I was walking into Guitar Center to buy a cymbal, and instead of that, I left with a used Novation K station.  That's when I realized...hey,  they actually make affordable consumer equipment that can do those old Tomita sounds.  Keep in mind that I knew nothing about synths at that point, but since then slowly learned, and much thru the wonderful knowledge of the folks on the DSI forum(s).  So, the quest continues full-circle I guess, and once again brings me back to making bird sounds.   

Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on November 01, 2017, 12:31:55 PM
I heartily agree with your first paragraph.  I'm even more extreme about it, as I think the pictures in my "videos" suggest.

That was an interesting and somewhat humorous personal story.  Somehow, you took a left turn into percussion, only later to take a right turn into synthesizer.  I'm glad you finally made it here!
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: dsetto on November 02, 2017, 06:36:38 AM
Good stuff. ... (Gas pumps have become annoying.)
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Paul Dither on November 03, 2017, 04:23:09 AM
I do like the outdoors and try to get to quiet environments like in Southern Ohio and in the mountains of West Virginia every so often to refresh.  Doing so often reminds me just how noisy today's world is, especially now, when even the gas pumps have a TV screen blasting commercials at you.

It's funny, as I was recently doing some field recordings. And while I'm generally a city person and very used to and forgiving of all kinds of noises, my recording purpose shifted my awareness. Not that it led me to any significantly new insights, but me trying to capture particular sounds from the surrounding area was like putting a magnifying glass on everything.

Peter Kirn published an interesting article about the sound designer Francis Preve this summer. It contains some really outstanding examples of emulated nature and everyday sounds. The starting point of it all is basically how limited and limiting the clichéd synth sounds are most sound designers are asked to do (basses, leads, brasses, etc.) compared to the sonic richness that surrounds us on a daily basis.

Here's the article: http://cdm.link/2017/08/used-synthesizers-emulate-nature-reality/
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Soundquest on November 03, 2017, 09:52:22 AM
Paul Dither

Interesting,  thanks
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: LoboLives on November 07, 2017, 10:35:59 AM
If DSI ever does produce that Sampler everyone wants it be neat to just walk around the woods or city and get some sounds recorded and then bring those sounds back into the studio. I may try that with my Korg Microsampler.

Does anyone have any DX7 type Prophet 12 examples? FM Electric piano, FM sitar, fm bass, fm chimes, FM choir they can post?

Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Robot Heart on November 07, 2017, 01:26:04 PM
While not exhaustive by any means, there are some examples in our linear FM P12 video: https://youtu.be/YB9a2lPjzEo?t=2m47s
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: LoboLives on November 07, 2017, 02:02:33 PM
While not exhaustive by any means, there are some examples in our linear FM P12 video: https://youtu.be/YB9a2lPjzEo?t=2m47s

Yeah I’ve watched that a few times. Sounds great. Just wish there were more extensive examples.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: ISH on November 21, 2017, 06:36:37 AM
https://soundcloud.com/user-670677252/resentment

Prophet 12, Bass Station II, and Spitfire Audio Albion I
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Soundquest on November 22, 2017, 09:06:02 AM
ISH, nice use of the multitude of non-melodic textures P12 is capable of.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Soundquest on December 07, 2017, 11:59:33 AM
I really like many of the P-12 presets. Especially the flute at 2:15. This song uses one of my pads, and two presets.   The short sequences are done with Doepfer Dark Time w. Dark Energy.  Bass drum and cymbal are acoustic.  Please excuse my sci-fi "own voice" attempt.  I'm a novice in that regard ;)
 
https://soundcloud.com/wavescape-1/reachable-thought
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: WytchCrypt on December 08, 2017, 09:45:37 AM
I really like many of the P-12 presets. Especially the flute at 2:15. This song uses one of my pads, and two presets.   The short sequences are done with Doepfer Dark Time w. Dark Energy.  Bass drum and cymbal are acoustic.  Please excuse my sci-fi "own voice" attempt.  I'm a novice in that regard ;)
 
https://soundcloud.com/wavescape-1/reachable-thought

I like the flute as well...overall reminds me of a Brian Eno song off Another Green World though I can't place the title  ;)
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: jdt9517 on January 22, 2018, 09:20:42 PM
Chopin's "Tolling Bells" prelude for P-12 and Pro-02. 

https://soundcloud.com/jdt9517/2018-01-22-tolling-bells
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on January 22, 2018, 09:25:06 PM
Nice arrangement, Jim.  I especially liked the bass patch.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Soundquest on January 24, 2018, 02:00:42 PM
Prophet 12 and DM-12 (for the "guitar").

https://soundcloud.com/wavescape-1/break-in-the-clouds
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on January 24, 2018, 03:38:36 PM
Hey Soundquest, I was just wondering today what might have happened to you.  I was afraid you might have eloped with your Prophet 12!

This piece has some really nice sounds.  The DM's acoustic guitar is lovely.  Was that a narrow pulse?  Nice Prophet strings too, and a bit of realistic flute.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Soundquest on January 25, 2018, 06:42:17 AM
Well Sacred Synthesis,  It'd certainly be easy to run off and hide away all winter long with the P12  :)   Actually I'm taking my time on it.  I knew when I got it that it could divert me away from my other instruments and I didn't want that to happen.  So I'm sticking with a routine of making a slow circle once a month around my set up.  Next up, PO8.

By the way, that wah wah lead towards the end is a factory patch on the P12.  I think it'd be my favorite patch if I played in a funk band ;).   The rest are either modifications or my own.

The DM12 actually can make some really nice guitar-ish sounds.  Typically osc 1 is set both saw and pulse,  then I add osc 2 which is pulse.  Set it to pretty narrow- as you surmised.   I modulate what they call "tone" of osc 2 with env 3 so that it changes like a string would.    Also, add some ever so slight delay to it   The notes are played as usual, but I'm  using the units sequencer to play two additional notes for every note I play.  You can adjust the slew between notes to get a bit of string/finger slide effect.  But that option is largely contingent on temp.  Too fast and it sounds muddy.  Problem with DM's sequencer is that its really hard to adjust notes w/o using an editor (which I don't have or want).    My favorite sequencer still remains the PEK's, as it allows so much flexibility, but I wish it was able to be sent midi out.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on January 25, 2018, 08:12:38 AM
By the way, that wah wah lead towards the end is a factory patch on the P12.  I think it'd be my favorite patch if I played in a funk band ;).   

I'm sure there's a funk band out there that likes the sounds of sea gulls and chipmunks, as you do.  Funk, sea gulls, and chipmunks.  You'll find it.  Hey, there's the name - the Funkmunks, or the Funkulls.

Now that I've listened to your piece again, I have to say that slew setting is very effective.  That's what fine sound design consists of - subtle tasteful touches that are just barely noticeable, but that ultimately perfect the patch.  Great job!  You've almost convinced me to get a Deepmind 12.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Mr Kay on January 27, 2018, 04:11:36 AM
Prophet 12 and DM-12 (for the "guitar").

https://soundcloud.com/wavescape-1/break-in-the-clouds

'Feel the vibe of The Orb   :)
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Soundquest on January 27, 2018, 08:40:21 AM
Hey, thanks for the feedback guys.   
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: jdt9517 on January 28, 2018, 07:39:10 PM
Prophet 12 and DM-12 (for the "guitar").

https://soundcloud.com/wavescape-1/break-in-the-clouds

Amazing good! 
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: jdt9517 on January 28, 2018, 07:43:33 PM
Nice arrangement, Jim.  I especially liked the bass patch.

Thanks! Means a lot coming from you.

Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Soundquest on January 31, 2018, 10:42:21 AM
Prophet 12 and DM-12 (for the "guitar").

https://soundcloud.com/wavescape-1/break-in-the-clouds

Amazing good!

appreciate that,  thanks jdt9517
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: silvain on January 31, 2018, 01:07:56 PM
Hey hey,
wow it's been ages, since I've read this thread. A lot of beautiful music. I wish I could binge listen for a while...
Here are two pieces by me: the first, is the first I ever used to P12 on. Not a lot of usage, since it arrive halfway through. The vocal bass, the strings and one of the bell sounds (recogniseable in the breakdown, digital waveform1 being very much in evidence.
http://juliencoder.de/nama/not_that_innocent-instrumental.mp3
The second one is mainly defined by P12 sounds, some Minibrute bass, samples for the carillon, tron choir and Solina and real vocals:
http://juliencoder.de/nama/with_an_aching_heart.mp3
If you prefer, they're also on soundcloud:
https://soundcloud.com/jeanette_c
(I'm very sluggish there and have difficulties using it, so if you have comments, better post them here or by mail, the address is on my website.)
Best wishes and enjoy!
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on January 31, 2018, 01:43:26 PM
The second one is mainly defined by P12 sounds, some Minibrute bass, samples for the carillon, tron choir and Solina and real vocals:
http://juliencoder.de/nama/with_an_aching_heart.mp3

That was a really nice arrangement.  Great job.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: AdamPloof on January 31, 2018, 03:59:07 PM
The second one is mainly defined by P12 sounds, some Minibrute bass, samples for the carillon, tron choir and Solina and real vocals:
http://juliencoder.de/nama/with_an_aching_heart.mp3

That was a really nice arrangement.  Great job.

Agreed, really loved this piece!
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Soundquest on February 17, 2018, 09:45:05 AM
I figured I'd place this here too since it's equally P12 as much as P08:

A sequence I was doing on th Prophet 8 it inspired the song.  Actually this is a DSI sampler:

Intro shimmer is P12 with a Pro 2 pad.  0:45 Timpani on P12.  0:58 Oooh voices is P12 with faint Pro  choir.  1:38 piano is P08 along with horns,pad, whistling.   2:30 P-12 pad climbing.  3:00 sequence on P12 ......   Then finally P08 back in at 3:38.

https://soundcloud.com/wavescape-1/emergence
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: silvain on February 18, 2018, 06:02:15 AM
...
https://soundcloud.com/wavescape-1/emergence
A lovely, little rhapsody. There were some sounds I'd really like to copy onto my P12. The timpani and the triangle-like sound around 3:13.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Soundquest on February 18, 2018, 12:42:23 PM


Thanks silvain,   The timpani drum is actually a factory preset 4-48  with the delays off.  Best timpani I've heard from a non-sampled source.  The cymbal is a real Chinese cymbal I have.  The triangle was a real triangle.  I'll often use real percussion if I can't synthesize it.   
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: LoboLives on February 20, 2018, 10:01:28 AM
Would love to see some examples of the Prophet 12 doing Synclaiver type tones.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Soundquest on March 19, 2018, 04:30:37 PM
Just a repost of a song I posted last week (lost during the forum glitch).  All Prophet 12, except cymbals.

https://soundcloud.com/wavescape-1/early-promenade
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: jdt9517 on March 23, 2018, 10:07:29 PM
Here's one a little out of my normal style.  The melody is Korg PolySix software.  The rest is Pro-02 and P-12

https://soundcloud.com/jdt9517/2018-03-23-space-cadet 

Never would have got these sounds out of the P-08 (I assume Rev. 2 also)
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Soundquest on April 07, 2018, 11:59:56 AM
It was a probably the most difficult sound for me to make on a synth...but thanks to the P12 I think I got a pretty decent river with some faint gurgling over the rocks.  Also from the P12 is the banjo, upright bass and harmonica intro..and the shimmer pad and sequence.

Birds - peewee, robin, blue jay, mourning dove, and flicker are from the Nord Lead 4.

Woodpecker, owl, frogs, locusts and crickets from Roland Gaia- which by the way I keep it for that purpose ;). 

 Deepmind 12 for violin string pad and guitar.

And finally,  the crow.....That's an actual crow call I blow into.  I can't figure out how to synthesize a crow.

https://soundcloud.com/wavescape-1/the-river-spot
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on April 25, 2018, 02:13:23 PM
That is a superb gurgling stream sound - very convincing because not static.  And you are undoubtedly the synthetic bird man.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Soundquest on April 26, 2018, 06:08:33 PM
Thanks Sacred Synthesis!   Yes, I think those birds are becoming my niche ;)  But some of that inspiration might be from replacing the birds so slow to arrive this unusually cool spring in Ohio :(

 I do enjoy the P12 very much so far, though I've used it surprisingly little so far due to distractions.   Recently got tangled up with the PEK (which is a good thing).   Plus...I'm going to be replacing the computer that I use for music this week with a beefier set up.   I don't enjoy that aspect of making music in some ways.  For example, not looking forward to re-buying the soundtower editors and various other other software I'm using. Yet, something as simple as as a software oscilloscope can add a lot of usefulness that I wouldn't want to not have anymore,     
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: jazzygb1 on April 27, 2018, 06:24:06 PM
This isn't all Prophet 12, but the high synth string, the lead and one of the bass parts is. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC6_bcgcOKk&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Soundquest on June 10, 2018, 12:00:41 PM
Entirely P12.  Effects used are Strymon Big Sky and Lexicon 200.

https://soundcloud.com/wavescape-1/angelic-spheres
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on June 10, 2018, 01:00:56 PM
A nice variety of matured distinctive sounds in this one.  That harpsichord/clavinet tone is excellent.  And the music is almost cinematic, with a touch of fear or suspense.  Great job as always, Soundquest.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Quatschmacher on June 10, 2018, 02:14:41 PM
@WytchCrypt- I really liked it.  You developed some good sounds on the P-12.  I like 70's too!

I had never really listened to Holst before.   So, I listened to the whole Planets suite on Youtube.  I didn't realize what I had been missing.   He was definitely influenced by Wagner. 

I am becoming more and more impressed with the P-12.  It's capabilities are amazing.

Thanks for sharing!

Thank you for your kind words!  After getting through the learning curve I've found that developing new P12 voices is almost as much fun as playing them  8)  I think I also took it as a challenge because there are so many anti-P12 posts out on other forums who claim it can't do vintage analog sounds.  I think it's a brilliant synth because it can do so many things so well and has so many mod matrix options.

Re: The Planets, other than Mars (which I knew well from King Crimson & ELP's cover versions) I had never heard any of the other pieces before recording them with the P12.  It was great fun to discover them this way and I was blown away by the compositions.  I'd been aware of the work forever but had no idea it was so cool!  The style reminds me a lot of Mussorgsky's Pictures at an Exhibition and Night on Bald Mountain along with Saint-Sens' Dance Macabre.  I believe these are often referred to as "symphonic tone poems".  Very cool melodies and harmonies going on all over the place with a dash of dissonance here and there to spice things up  ;)

I'm always on the lookout for other similarly styled classical pieces to do a P12 adaptation on...anyone have suggestions?

Check out Sibelius’ tone poems if you’d like some more source material to play with.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Soundquest on June 11, 2018, 10:04:52 AM
Sacred Synthesis,  RE: song:    thanks for the kind review.    For that arpeggiator  at the beginning with the clavinet sound- I played the one arp track over top the other with identical pattern.  Same deal at the end- where I have 4 arps stacked (but played individually).

 
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Chaparral on June 24, 2018, 11:59:16 AM
I know Free Improv is not everyones cup of tea, but I have a duo ‘Hedge’ with a guitarist and this live gig recording shows how versatile the Prophet 12 can be. (4 six minute tracks and a 14 minute track - I mainly use one home made quadraphonic voice per track)

https://soundcloud.com/andy-15-3/t1-hedge-live-21-6-18

https://soundcloud.com/andy-15-3/t2-hedge-live-21-6-18

https://soundcloud.com/andy-15-3/t3-hedge-live-21-6-18

https://soundcloud.com/andy-15-3/t4-hedge-live-21-6-18

https://soundcloud.com/andy-15-3/t5-hedge-live-21-6-18
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Soundquest on July 09, 2018, 06:53:04 PM
Chaparral,

The metallic sounds (i'm assuming this is all P12) are really convincing.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: standingwave on July 26, 2018, 06:43:54 PM
Here are a couple:
Pads and brass on this one are P12-
https://m.soundcloud.com/caley-kelly/fool-in-the-morning (https://m.soundcloud.com/caley-kelly/fool-in-the-morning)

Lead on this is P12-
https://m.soundcloud.com/caley-kelly/the-things-you-do-to-me (https://m.soundcloud.com/caley-kelly/the-things-you-do-to-me)
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: standingwave on July 31, 2018, 06:35:57 PM
I did this one up for anyone surfing for P12 sounds. This is a 2 layer patch, composed in midi and tracked once; no overdubs.

https://soundcloud.com/caley-kelly/rain-protocol
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on July 31, 2018, 07:29:09 PM
That's a magnificent sound, very dramatic.  The bass register is superb.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: standingwave on August 01, 2018, 02:28:26 AM
Thanks Sacred!
 I'm really loving my P12. It has never not done what I wanted it to do and, more often than not, taken me in directions that I wouldn't have thought of on my own.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: silvain on August 01, 2018, 11:16:36 AM
@standingwave: I can only agree, what I lovely sound in Rain protocol! It's gorgeous! I also like the atmosphere and sounds of Fool in the morning.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: silvain on August 01, 2018, 11:25:39 AM
I've got a new one, I made this to show off the new Jeanny's Genius soundset, freely downloadable from:
http://juliencoder.de/sound/index.html
It ended up as also having a couple of sounds from the bank in progress as well:
http://juliencoder.de/nama/indian_summer.mp3
This was edited and processed afterwards, with everything that such a mix would usually get, including reverb, EQ, compression and "special effects".
The patchlist:
bank3 70 layer b: tracked motion
bank4 24: Silver Screen
bank3 33 layer a: String me goodnight
Bank4 68: Polewood
bank4 37: soft hats
Bank2 75 (a) Block and Clap (clap only)
There's one factory patch, but I'd have to dump the bank and look it up on the computer, not being able to see the screen. The zitar, oboe, bass, kick and snare as well as one arpeggio/sequence sound are from bank5 currently in progrewss, but that will take a while.
I hope you enjoy it!
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: standingwave on August 01, 2018, 08:12:39 PM
Nice work, thanks!
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: hfx on August 02, 2018, 11:55:51 PM
This piece is a few years old, when I just had bought the P12 and were still getting the hang of it. I made a complex arrangement of just multitracked P12 and drums, to demonstrate its abilities. There are some 35-40 patches represented in the piece - based on more or less tweaked factory presets and those early freebie user banks. No FX added except for the 4 internal delays.

http://soundcloud.com/hfxx/twelve-disciples-of-the-prophet
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: silvain on August 06, 2018, 06:11:22 AM
...
http://soundcloud.com/hfxx/twelve-disciples-of-the-prophet
This is beautiful! There are so many facets. I love the proggy attitude develooping over the piece. Thanks for sharing this, it would have been a waste just letting it gather dust.
Best wishes...
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: hfx on August 07, 2018, 11:14:50 PM
This is beautiful! There are so many facets. I love the proggy attitude develooping over the piece. Thanks for sharing this, it would have been a waste just letting it gather dust.
Best wishes...

Thank's Jeanette for the nice comment!  :) Yes, I tried to represent most of the genres I'm active in, in a single piece  ;D
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Soundquest on August 27, 2018, 05:07:54 PM
Used entirely P12 making some use of it's fm capabilities.  I love the guitar that's able to be gotten out of this synth.
Effects are Lexicon200 and Strymon Big Sky.  Sequence at the end is driven by the Alesis Micron which has a neat sequencer that is able to record real time, not step.

https://soundcloud.com/wavescape-1/the-long-road
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: standingwave on August 29, 2018, 03:33:12 PM
Interesting.
 Bullfrogs on acid! Lol.
 
 Very cool plucky stuff too.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Soundquest on August 30, 2018, 12:09:45 PM
Thanks standingwave.  Frogs,  I'll go with that too ;)
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: silvain on September 20, 2018, 04:00:06 AM
...
https://soundcloud.com/wavescape-1/the-long-road
A nice tour de force. :) The guitar is fun, well played. But the sound that most amazed me is the vowel like effect sprinkled on top of the final sequence. Is that pure P12?

Best wishes, Jeanette
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Soundquest on September 24, 2018, 12:15:46 PM
Thanks for the kind review silvain,   yes that's entirely P12 for the vowel sounds.  I enjoy that aspect of coaxing out human-like voices out of various synths.  P12 is pretty capable, though my favorite synth for voice is still the poly evolver, since I can actually input my own voice waveform.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: silvain on September 26, 2018, 08:11:13 AM
Hey there,
new music: Chapeau D'Empereur an EDM/dance/dubstep track made with alot of Prophet-12, showcasing a lot of the Jeanny's Genius sounds:
http://juliencoder.de/nama/cde.mp3
The sawtooth rhythm: "Dance Bitch" B1 49
Kick drum: B5 21 :)
squarey bass (over the intro): "WMD Bass" B4 09a
Supersaw like pluck: "Stadeon Filler" B4 01B
Arpeggios: "Magic Pizz" B4 07A and "Cinderella Tweet" B1 84B
e-piano/ping (also over the intro): "Ice-Vanned Piano" B1 85B
Pad: "Stadeon Pad" B4 82
Lead: "King-ly Lead" B2 54B
Noise downer: "Stadeon Noise Slide" B4 86
Basses:
B5 11A, B5 12B, "Talking Monster" B4 41, "Klincher" B4 42, "Scream N Whine" B4 45a, "Bowser Bass" B4 48a, "Seal It With A Kiss" B1 67A (The Britney Spears song of course <3 )
Sorry B5 will be some time in the making yet. :( Further drums supplied by Roland JV-1080, which also provided some strings, doubled through a free SFZ, the supersaw Pad was doubled by the opensource synth Yoshimi and the celesta was a commercial sample.
All sequencing, recording, processing, mixing and mastering was done in an open and commandline based environment much too obscure to know. :)

I hope you enjoy it.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Soundquest on September 28, 2018, 10:49:14 AM
Happy stuff silvain.  Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Soundquest on November 08, 2018, 06:41:42 PM
All P-12 with some sequencing from the Polyend sequencer.   Simmon's electric drumset.

https://soundcloud.com/wavescape-1/noodle-jive
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Mr Kay on November 10, 2018, 01:27:11 AM
Very chemical :D
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: raffor on November 20, 2018, 05:17:58 PM
Prophet-12 in the pure...CPM loaded!

https://soundcloud.com/lesartsnouveaux/fade-to-12
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: SandyS1 on November 21, 2018, 06:32:59 AM
Prophet-12 in the pure...CPM loaded!

https://soundcloud.com/lesartsnouveaux/fade-to-12

I really like those airy sounds toward the end. Really shows the range of sound the P12 can produce. Great stuff.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: LoboLives on December 01, 2018, 08:33:55 PM
Are there any examples of sounds or tracks created using the onboard wavetables? A lot of the demos I've heard so far has mostly been analog emulations but few focusing on the wavetables like gothic, aahh, tines, etc.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Mr Kay on December 05, 2018, 12:57:27 PM
On this demo, most of the sounds are wavetable based, sometimes with heavy modulations. For me, the first sound (the famous "Add Organics") if a good definition of the real personality of the P'12 when you're not imitating an analog, a DX7, a string machine...

https://soundcloud.com/thedisease/prophet-12-jam
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Soundquest on December 06, 2018, 10:38:09 AM
Mr Kay,  that's a neat sitar-like sound ~ 4 minutes.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Mr Kay on December 16, 2018, 09:57:55 AM
This one is a factory preset called TibetHoliday :)
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Denis Vachon on December 23, 2018, 01:49:44 PM
https://soundcloud.com/denisvachon/heritage
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: standingwave on December 28, 2018, 11:48:06 AM
That is some beautiful work Denis; very classy and nostalgic, but not in a cheesy way.

https://soundcloud.com/caley-kelly/between-us (https://soundcloud.com/caley-kelly/between-us)

 Some of the Leads and the bass are P12.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Soundquest on March 31, 2019, 10:38:14 AM
This is all Prophet 12, even the birds of course ;)   1st song with the Linn Instrument, which has been a Godsend for me.

https://soundcloud.com/wavescape-1/the-water-wheel
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: standingwave on April 01, 2019, 01:06:10 PM
Beautiful.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Soundquest on April 02, 2019, 06:45:11 PM
Thanks standingwave
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Soundquest on June 02, 2019, 04:57:16 PM
All Prophet 12 , except the bass drum/cymbal.

https://soundcloud.com/wavescape-1/forgotten-playgroud
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: standingwave on June 09, 2019, 05:23:09 PM
Very creepy! Great tones. 8)
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on June 09, 2019, 06:37:13 PM
All Prophet 12 , except the bass drum/cymbal.

https://soundcloud.com/wavescape-1/forgotten-playgroud

There you go again, Soundquest - making a synthesizer sound like it's alive.  Very vocal, certainly haunting, but musical.  Fine work, as always.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Soundquest on June 13, 2019, 05:42:48 PM
Thank you sacred synthesis
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: silvain on July 18, 2019, 04:17:23 PM
Hey hey,
I have just published the EP "Congroovent" (dedicated to DJ and presenter Annie Mac: happy birthday Annie!) with Prophet-12 all over this:
https://soundcloud.com/jeanette_c/sets/congroovent
http://juliencoder.de/nama/congroovent/index.html
Genres span synthwave, EDM/club and drum & bass with a baroque gene pool and a love of sound design, which is where the P12 simply rules!
Get A. Mac: kick, snare, hihats, basses, strings (mostly from the upcoming Jeanny's Genius bank 5, but also some sounds from the older banks)
Chronophysis: strings, leads, intro sound, arpeggio and plucks and the accented basses in the last section
Strain of thought: bass, strings, plucks and arpeggios, leads
Cool, blessed hand (instrumental): pads and strings, effects, lead, arpeggios
Most other drums are an old Roland JV module, accept for "Chronophysis" which features many self-sampled and processed sounds. Loads of arpeggios 0-Coast and sometimes MiniBrute, as is the sub-bass, for vocal sounds and other esoteric colours a Microwave XT.
I hope you enjoy it. This EP has also brought me more than halfway through the fifth bank of the Jeanny's Genius soundset.

Best wishes and good listening! :)
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: silvain on July 21, 2019, 09:00:20 AM
Congroovent is now also available on YouTube, sorry, I couldn't edit my post:
youtu.be/ms-owMQ4hiY
youtu.be/yZjZTkH5tOM
youtu.be/ecTfnkYE7GI
youtu.be/8sj-v_DElGw
Cool, blessed hand is very reliant on a few P12 patches from Jeanny's Genius: b4 5b (Padded Floor), b4 24 (Silver Screen), b4 92 (Night Sparkle: this is the main pad), b4 81a (Stadeon Pizz), b3 1b (Cave Bouncer: the very reverberated dripping in the long breakdown).
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: silvain on July 28, 2019, 09:16:59 AM
Hey hey, I just released a piece showcasing an acoustic guitar, which will be part of Jeanny's Genius 5. Admittedly, it is just as much a happy accident and planned design, but I think the result sounds really nice and it plays well:
youtu.be/VwU1m9iE1fQ
The sound harmonic rely a lot on one of the waves, its morph controlled by an aux env. The underpinning is a simple two oscillator FM.
As for editing: there is EQ'ing, some subtle plate reverb and a vinyl simulation.
Bank 5 of my soundset is now only missing about ten sounds, so it shouldn't be too long before its release.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: jazzygb1 on August 02, 2019, 06:27:45 AM
here's a clip of a new track that is mostly Prophet 12 but in a very embryonic state at the moment so only a small clip! :)
https://soundcloud.com/blottuk/fanfare-working-title-pre-release-teaser (https://soundcloud.com/blottuk/fanfare-working-title-pre-release-teaser)
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Mechamilk on August 08, 2019, 01:18:14 PM
A little track i did after the depression post holidays kicked in. Made a little video edit.
Enjoy and all critics are welcome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCwSvfpEM-w
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: standingwave on August 09, 2019, 03:03:47 AM
Hey Jazzy- very nice 80-ish tones you're creating with the P12 there. The music feels like the soundtrack for a victory lap.

Mechamilk- I dig the understated complexity of your composition. Is that an eventide running some crystals in the back?
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Mechamilk on August 09, 2019, 03:40:35 AM
@standingwave the "crystals" i think is my Big Sky shimmer. Not sure what do you mean. :)
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: standingwave on August 09, 2019, 03:58:32 AM
 Oh, the big sky shimmer does have a bit of a eventideish sound to it. The micropitched decay stuff sounds great, it's like a spikey blanket of ice.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Mechamilk on August 09, 2019, 04:20:55 AM
For the composition i kept a bit of randomness mixing live parts with stretched and pitched recorded parts of the same P12 track.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: standingwave on August 09, 2019, 04:42:39 AM
Ahhhhhh! Very cool effect. Kind of a pseudo micropitch shift reverb, but homemade. Very cool.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: silvain on August 11, 2019, 01:15:20 PM






Hey hey, a collective feedback to recent music, what an explosion:
fanfare (working title) Prerelease Teaser: what a big analogue sound there. I hope you'll develop that!
Out of bubbles: what an atmosphere. I like the sounds, for my personal taste just on the edge between edgy and sweet. Great texture!
I'm looking forward to get the Prophet Sundays episode on my player to give it a good listen. I have enjoyed the first episode so far.
Sorry, if I missed anyone.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: silvain on August 11, 2019, 01:26:50 PM
I also have new music, a track made completely with the Prophet 12:
youtu.be/p_dol1TI13Y
It's both a song in its own right and a showcase for "Jeanny's Genius" for the P12, part 5, which is just out now. And you know what: it's free! :) Though I'd always welcome a little token of appreciation, if you think it's worth it and can afford it. :)
Here's the list of patches used:
Main bass: 96 - Action Delayed (double layer with a "synthetic" delay)
chord pluck (on 2 and 4): 69A - Raggae Pleck
Acoustic guitar: 98B - Lonely Wanderer
Flute: 91A - Pastoral Solo
Growl bass: 93 - Mother Puppy
bubbly noise: 53B - Panultimate
Pad: 84 - Alone in Time
Xylophone: 9 - Xylofort
Shimmer pad: 95A - Suboceanic (with a shimmer delay in the sound)
bell: 97 - Space Child (with a variant on the shimmer delay in fifths)
short pluck/ping: 43A Memebers of
Kick: 21 Arse Kick
Snare a: 20 - Coffee Snare
Snare b: 22 - Energy Snare
Clap: 23 - Snap&Clap
Hihats: Silver Hat
Didn't document the conga, but I think it was 61 - Thrills pluck
You can download the soundset here:
http://juliencoder.de/sound/jeannys_genius-prophet_12-part5.zip
Feedback of any kind always welcome. :)
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Mechamilk on August 12, 2019, 03:22:31 AM
Out of bubbles: what an atmosphere. I like the sounds, for my personal taste just on the edge between edgy and sweet. Great texture!

Thank you! I m always looking for feedback but I dont know where to post my tracks...
I wanted to keep this track like an ambient sound triyng to raise to a synthwave track but kept underwater and never get out of it.

-- really like your video and sounds, i will check your patches. We need more people to show love for the P12.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Soundquest on August 25, 2019, 09:31:42 AM
This track is entirely P-12.  I'm using an alternate tuning "Lattice A".   I used the Linn 128 controller appegiator which allows independent appegiators for a split on the keyboard. 

  https://soundcloud.com/wavescape-1/magic-music-box
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: standingwave on August 26, 2019, 06:27:57 AM
Beautiful sounds! I find the P12 really shines with these distressed sounds. Very characterful.
 Cheers
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Soundquest on August 28, 2019, 06:58:29 AM
Thanks standingwave
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: silvain on September 09, 2019, 12:01:34 PM
...
  https://soundcloud.com/wavescape-1/magic-music-box
This is so lively! Both well played and designed. thanks for sharing this!
Title: Re: Prophet 12 Music
Post by: Soundquest on September 16, 2019, 08:47:51 AM
Thanks silvain