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Title: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on October 06, 2015, 07:22:04 AM
Music made at least primarily with the Poly Evolver Keyboard and/or Rack.

Here's the Evolver Playlist from my YouTube channel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKqGnb-TMh8&list=PL-CSFEgC2tTzYa70uOirGHIWGu72Pui8l
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: BobTheDog on October 08, 2015, 11:24:55 AM
This is truly just a sound demonstration:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKqGnb-TMh8

I have to disagree with you on this, after yet another argument with my ageing father (whom I look after) which left me in a sour mood I just listened to this clip and the difference in how I was feeling from the start to the end was marked.

So as far as I'm concerned it isn't just a sound demonstration but rather a beautiful calming piece of music.

Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on October 08, 2015, 02:00:01 PM
Well, I'm flattered to have improved your mood today, Bob.  Now you've made my day.  If only we could put your father in a good mood, too!

Here's a more humorous example of a similar thing.  My wife is a music teacher and she's been using some of these pieces in the classroom.  It appears to have a calling effect on the kids.  Another teacher with insomnia heard the music and asked if I could make her another CD of the music. I did...and she's been sleeping soundly ever since. 

But wait...doesn't that mean that she isn't listening to the music?  Ah well, success comes in all shapes.

Thanks for the compliment, Bob.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: dslsynth on October 08, 2015, 03:09:18 PM
But wait...doesn't that mean that she isn't listening to the music?  Ah well, success comes in various forms.

Worse yet, they are sensing and feeling your music. Your lovely soundscapes actually work as intended! :-)
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Soundquest on October 20, 2015, 08:14:51 AM
I'm not claiming this thread for myself nor placing limits on types of music; I'm simply starting the topic.  Let this thread provide recordings of music made at least primarily with the Poly Evolver Keyboard and/or Rack for all to hear.

Here's the Evolver Playlist from my YouTube channel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKqGnb-TMh8&index=1&list=PL-CSFEgC2tTzYa70uOirGHIWGu72Pui8l

Sacred Synthesis- Good idea here.  Maybe we can try to keep different music postings more or less into DSI specific instruments when feasible.  I often use two or more synths in my compositions, but where one instrument is the main voice, this makes a good way to explore that instruments sound.   This is one that I recently completed- and a little out of genera for me- as I don't normally use midi files for my structure.  This one is all PEK.  The midi file was used in the PEK combo mode to produce the windy/mechanical sound, then I went back and added the color of trumpets/percussion/voices/etc.  I obtained permission- as you'll recognize the obvious copy.  PS>  the whinny voices I did using the mod wheel.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on October 20, 2015, 09:49:17 AM
Sure.  I don't mean to make a strict rule here; as long as this thread contains mostly and prominently Poly Evolver music, so that people can get a good listen to the instrument.

Thanks for the piece.  Some unique sounds in there.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on October 26, 2015, 09:31:47 AM
Three pieces from a night's improvisations:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwT9bnzQN0U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2uBYTDCaeU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucwWnGTkwlc
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Strange Quark Star on October 28, 2015, 05:15:47 PM
Soundquest:

I just watched that old Westworld movie and kept waiting for something like this in the score; your rendition of this western classic would have fit perfectly!
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Soundquest on October 30, 2015, 08:04:32 AM
Thanks SQS.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Soundquest on October 30, 2015, 08:24:58 AM
Three pieces from a night's improvisations:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwT9bnzQN0U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2uBYTDCaeU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucwWnGTkwlc

Sacred Synthesis,  I was good with my Roman Numerals till about your XIII, but now I'm getting lost.  ;D     Nevertheless, the third piece at exactly 3 minutes sounds just like an oboe.  Pretty!
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on October 30, 2015, 08:52:54 AM
Thanks, Soundquest.  When I started these improvisations, I had no intention of making so many!  The difficult thing about the Roman Numerals is that sometimes they require adding, sometimes subtracting, and other times both.  L = 50, so the latest one is #55.  I'll probably have to devise some other naming system, for the sake of simplicity.  I guess I just don't like the looks of, "Improvisation #55".
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on November 23, 2015, 08:03:51 AM
Another new piece for the Poly Evolver Keyboard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0L_nGkot04
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: dslsynth on November 23, 2015, 09:03:33 AM
Nice new piece, Sacred Synthesis! Just had the pleasure of enjoying it.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on November 23, 2015, 09:06:09 AM
Thanks, Dslsynth.  Nothing spectacular on the synthesizer scale, I realize.  Just a bit of melody and harmony.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: dslsynth on November 23, 2015, 09:17:51 AM
Just a bit of melody and harmony.

Yeah you know Sacred Synthesis, its that little obscure corner in the synthesis world named 'Music'. ;)
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on November 23, 2015, 09:34:17 AM
It's all a matter of trying to make one's instruments say what one cannot.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on November 24, 2015, 09:04:21 AM
And another from the same night.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIjw6wwogSs
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on November 29, 2015, 09:04:02 AM
Here's a vintage string machine imitation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRRY6zt_a7g

Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Soundquest on November 30, 2015, 11:27:01 AM
Sacred Synthesis,

This sounds quite stringy and nice to me, especially the  ~9:40 to end section.   I think the PEK is great for doing strings- and in fact, its my go to for picked strings- like guitar.   I've tried going at it in sort of reverse direction and started with the digital oscillators being that I was importing a sampled sound wave from an actual guitar.  I set the digitals at about 80% and blended in maybe 30% the analog oscillators in pulse wave.   I'm eager to try a violin.  My sister-in-law plays one professionally and I asked to record her playing a few seconds of different sounds, including plucks.

 
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on November 30, 2015, 12:57:35 PM
Thanks, Soundquest. 

Sampling?  Now that's cheating. 

Obviously, the Poly Evolver's noisy digital waveshapes would not cause a problem with picked or plucked sounds, since there would be no sustain, and hence, no chance for aliasing.  I find that the Poly Evolver is already excellent at such sounds, including bells and tines, which sound bright and beautiful.  But I'd like to hear the end result of your experiment.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: dslsynth on November 30, 2015, 01:19:02 PM
Sampling?  Now that's cheating. 

Stating the obvious: The user waveshapes on the Evolvers are not samples but simply single cycle oscillator waves that can be used like all the other waveshapes on the instrument. Using custom waveshapes do have interesting applications. I would not call it cheating but rather sound shaping and extending the sonic span of the instrument. In your case I have been wondering if waveshapes from famous church organs would be something for you. ;)

The only downside is that user waveshapes require use of external tools and hence a connection between the computer and the instrument. Not to mention access to the waveforms one wants to be inspired by. Chysn have made a great web based tool for that. The Evolvers will be able to provide you with all the aliasing you expect in the upper registers but at lower note numbers there will indeed be a different usable flavor.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on November 30, 2015, 02:25:52 PM
'Twas only a joke. 

I'm not interested in sampling, since it seems to defeat the purpose, in my case.  If I wanted pipe organ samples, I could easily find them in such portable organs as the Hammond SK1, SK2, and XK-1c.  I prefer to work with the synthesizer as a synthesizer, producing sounds that are meant to stand on their own, without reference to other sounds.  The great irony is that, with such sounds as organ, choir, brass, and strings, the point is not to strictly emulate other instruments/voices so that the listener is fooled, but to produce unabashedly synthesized versions that any person with a decent ear could distinguish as synthesized versions.  "Vintage strings" is one such example.  So, if I use an organ sound, it's meant to be the sort of organ sound that only a synthesizer could produce - no apologies necessary.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: dslsynth on November 30, 2015, 02:57:39 PM
No matter the source - if its a church organ inspired waveshape or a more abstract one - it will still extend the instruments sound palette. Good idea to wanting to make the synthesizers sound like what they are. I could easily see your music benefit from new digital oscillator sounds with more sonic landscape to explore.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on November 30, 2015, 03:12:32 PM
There's no shortage of sound-building resources with my set up; there's only a shortage of good music that makes use of the potential.  And that's my fault.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: onionjosh on March 13, 2016, 06:40:30 PM
https://soundcloud.com/wearecells/half-moon-i (https://soundcloud.com/wearecells/half-moon-i)

all the synths are my PEK, including the more feedback-ish sounding stuff which was track segments routed back into the PEK.

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: chysn on March 14, 2016, 03:17:59 AM
all the synths are my PEK, including the more feedback-ish sounding stuff which was track segments routed back into the PEK.

Nice work!
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on June 29, 2016, 01:17:04 PM
An older Improvisation that is Evolver literally from top to bottom:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVJx98hccu0

Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: realpancake on July 01, 2016, 10:49:31 AM
I have a lot of private tracks I'd love to share but everything available here is pretty much relying on the PEK in some way or another..

https://soundcloud.com/real

 :)
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: proteus-ix on November 03, 2016, 11:19:54 PM
Hi everyone - so... this isn't a PEK, it's just an Evolver desktop, but if you haven't seen this video... I personally think it's pretty impressive.  Given that the PEK is 4x Evolver desktops, is it safe to say that one, with sufficient mastery, could actually do something like this, with even that many more sounds swirling around?? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv-XslQvhYY
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on November 04, 2016, 12:16:26 AM
Yes, a Poly Evolver could do a much better rendition of that music because it would allow voices to ring longer, which a monophonic instrument could not.  It would sound richer and more ethereal. 

By the way, I've always liked that video too.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Soundquest on November 06, 2016, 10:08:05 AM
This is entirely PEK, including the cymbal roll towards the beginning.

https://soundcloud.com/wavescape-1/good-light
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on November 06, 2016, 11:43:08 AM
Excellent, Soundquest.  That's a wonderful RMI-ish piano patch.  It's got a slight slow phase type of modulation.  Is it filter?  Nice howlings in the background, too.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Soundquest on November 07, 2016, 11:29:09 AM
Thanks Sacred Synthesis.   I had some slight LFO on the pulse width.   But you are correct, typically with the PEK I'll also use the keystep sequencer setting for moving around the panning and filter.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Soundquest on January 29, 2017, 10:03:36 AM
99.9% Poly Evolver.  Please forgive the guinea pig sounds.  A little song for my wife's pet that just died :'(    While I'd like to say 100% PEK....I'm a little partial to use the Roland Gaia when I need to make "little" animal sounds.  I say "little" since PEK is great for whales :)

https://soundcloud.com/wavescape-1/aprils-song
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on January 29, 2017, 10:20:08 AM
Quite nice.  You played the PEK like it was a six-string guitar, which was clever. 
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Soundquest on January 30, 2017, 09:16:37 AM
thanks Sacred Synthesis
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on February 01, 2017, 08:16:40 AM
Things certainly have moved on from the Poly Evolver Keyboard days.  There's more or less no Evolver interest left on this forum, except between you and me.  Seldom does a Poly Evolver YouTube video appear, and never a Mono Evolver video.  Not to be too sentimental, but it's sad to see the instrument be forgotten amid all the exciting new equipment.  Maybe we should start a therapy group.   :P
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on February 01, 2017, 09:02:41 PM
Something light-hearted for a change:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgNsUlJY7Gg
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: proteus-ix on February 02, 2017, 10:07:53 AM
Well I'm still figuring mine out, but I absolutely adore it.  In many ways it's the polar opposite to my OB6, although maybe the smoothness of the P6 would be even farther.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Soundquest on February 08, 2017, 11:29:58 AM
Things certainly have moved on from the Poly Evolver Keyboard days.  There's more or less no Evolver interest left on this forum, except between you and me.  Seldom does a Poly Evolver YouTube video appear, and never a Mono Evolver video.  Not to be too sentimental, but it's sad to see the instrument be forgotten amid all the exciting new equipment.  Maybe we should start a therapy group.   :P

It is strange for PEK to have faded so quickly, especially as you say, from this forum.  I do eventually plan to get to posting on YouTube as I finally got a good video camera.   We'll get some new vids out there and keep her alive.   :)
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Soundquest on February 08, 2017, 11:42:02 AM
Something light-hearted for a change:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgNsUlJY7Gg

Sacred Synthesis,  You mentioned in your youtube comments on this one about Evolver to be had for ~ $400.  You mean like the table-top evolver?   If so,  could I add one of those on via polychain for another voice to my PEK?
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on February 08, 2017, 12:16:58 PM
That's the spirit!  Keep the Evolvers alive.  How could anyone exhaust a Poly Evolver's musical and sonic potential?  I look forward to hearing more of your work.

I'll be posting more PEK videos as well, but you'll still have to look at mountains, rivers, and lakes while you listen.  ::)
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on February 08, 2017, 12:26:50 PM
Something light-hearted for a change:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgNsUlJY7Gg

Sacred Synthesis,  You mentioned in your youtube comments on this one about Evolver to be had for ~ $400.  You mean like the table-top evolver?   If so,  could I add one of those on via polychain for another voice to my PEK?

Yes, I was referring to the Evolver Desktop, which is the easiest to find these days.  I watch the prices: Generally speaking, Desktops go for $350-400, Poly Evolver Racks for $1,000, Mono Evolver Keyboards for $1,000, and Poly Evolver Keyboards for $2,000.  And yes, you can poly chain the Desktop to a Mono or Poly Evolver for increased voices.  I'm not certain if the very earliest units might need an upgrade, though.  Ask DSI.  Also, the Desktop version has a higher output level than the poly versions, so you'd need some means of trimming back the volume to get an overall balance between the two instruments.  There's nothing like an old-fashioned analog mixer.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Soundquest on February 09, 2017, 09:21:34 AM
Interesting...I probably wont go with a rack, due to cost, even though I tossed the idea around before.  But that one more voice via desktop would be useful to me.  Still got open mixer channels, but my issue is becoming more of wall outlet space.   Hmmn, it'd be a reasonable affordable addition for my "flagship",  but then I wanted to start setting aside for Rev 2 .  Too many decisions :-\
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Soundquest on March 18, 2017, 07:15:43 AM
Just messin' around with a midi file into PEK in combo mode for main melody.  A little rendition of a 60's song.

Percussion: acoustic

"Children's choir":  me thru a Strymon Big Sky

Humming, Whistles and everything else; Poly Evolver Keyboard

https://soundcloud.com/wavescape-1/love-is-all-around
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: proteus-ix on March 20, 2017, 08:15:40 AM
Still got open mixer channels, but my issue is becoming more of wall outlet space.   

Not sure if you've gone the rack route yet, but I've found my $80 power conditioner massively useful for providing more outlets, but more importantly, eliminating mysterious ground hum issues.  I'm tempted to make a 4-space rack just for power.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Soundquest on March 21, 2017, 07:46:06 AM
proteus-ix,     I have one more outlet open on mine ;)
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on April 21, 2017, 06:49:09 PM
An all-Evolver improvisation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOGd3v-rC_M
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: proteus-ix on April 26, 2017, 08:43:33 AM
An all-Evolver improvisation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOGd3v-rC_M


Beautiful!  Definitely reminded me of Peter Gabriel's Passion.  You have TWO PEKs *AND* a rack??  Somehow I didn't know/recall that.

How do you feel the Novation Peak will compare?  Too much overlap, or are the designs different enough?  I'm GASing hard for one for it's 8voices... 8voices of analog-leaning hybrid in the Peak and 4 of digital-leaning hybrid of the PEK, both with wavetables!  Add in a Moog or Pro One for bass, and who really needs anything else?  Ok, besides a Hammond and a DX7.  :)
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on April 26, 2017, 10:43:36 AM
Thanks, Proteus-IX.  Yes, I'm using that number of Evolvers, plus an Evolver Desktop for the bass.  And I'm not influenced by Gabriel, nor have I ever heard that song.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on May 22, 2017, 02:03:36 PM
A simple all-Evolver improvisation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG5tdXeZ_lU
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Soundquest on May 24, 2017, 08:55:10 AM
Nice use of the PEK HP filter Sacred Synthesis.   I was wondering if you have ever noticed the noise that the PEK HP filter introduces as being an odd artifact?  Firstly, there is a definite clicky-ness (at least on mine) when engaging it from an off position.  Also, it seems to have a slight amount of "background noise" introduced when engaged at any position.  It almost sounds like a different amp stage is being introduced or something.    I have not noticed such behavior of HP on other instruments.     Not a huge deal since such noise would be covered by the HP sound anyway.  But if you wanted to slowly bring HP up and down from an off position, lets say using a mod source, then it might cause clicking.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on May 24, 2017, 09:29:41 AM
Thanks, Soundquest.  Yes, I certainly have noticed the high pass filter noise.  It's crackly however you use it alright, but the Evolver makes so much noise in general(!) that I consider it to be only more of the same.  When I intend to use the high pass during a piece, I maintain it at "1".  Since the worst noise comes when you first engage it from "0" to "1," I never do so during a recording.  That avoids that very loud "pop" when you first turn it on.  The Evolver has to be babied in so many ways that I don't find the high pass issue to be too much trouble.  I find the unbelievable amount of digital aliasing in the wave shapes to be more of a challenge.  Regardless - and I know you agree - it's a fabulous instrument and the idiosyncrasies only make it all the more endearing.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on May 29, 2017, 03:31:13 PM
Three choir patches:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pN904q28eQw
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on May 29, 2017, 08:33:31 PM
A few thoughts on synthesized choir patches.  I was researching vocoders the other day and thinking about adding one to the music room.  I've always loved the sound, but there's hardly a more electronic-sounding effect on earth.  Still, the Roland models offer a decent choir simulation that allows for diction with some clarity.  It's tempting.  But for the time being, I decided to fire up the old eight-voice Poly Evolver and let her run around a bit.  The thought continued to be the venerable choir sound.  As is the case with my sound design in general, I never intend to fool anyone, nor do I ever want to achieve that degree of realism.  If I do, then I'll turn off the synthesizer and go join an actual choir.  No, I want my strings, brass, organ, and choir patches to sound positively synthesized, but - ironically - in a minimally electronic and maximally natural way.  That's the strange challenge, and it's one reason I'll probably never use a vocoder or a mellotron. 

Regarding choir patches, I prefer one that is warm, expressive, mysterious, and especially strong in the bass, baritone, and alto ranges.  If the music is to have a noble spirit, then the sound must be equally noble and free of everything ridiculous and irreverent.  And when the moment is right to employ it in the midst of a piece of music, dropping your left hand on the keyboard must fill the air with an ethereal beauty and loftiness of spirit that makes one a better person, or at least makes one want to be a better person. 
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Soundquest on May 30, 2017, 10:57:38 AM
I understand what you are saying SS.  I have researched it, but have decided that I'll probably won't again consider getting a module or software that offers 1000's of instruments samples.   I suppose that if my living was contingent of doing film scores I might have a different opinion on the matter.  But when I stopped and thought about it, a root core of the synth hobby for me has been the plain fun of making sounds from scratch.    That being said, I guess it's just a personal choice- how you want your sound to be.   I too rather have the listener know that it's a synth originating the sound.   Ironically, veering from that opinion,  I did a few years ago get a Roland VP8 voice box.  It has the usual choir sounds, harmony for vocals,  and a surprising limited selection of V-coder sound options.  In retrospect,  I would not repeat the purchase.  It was expensive for what you get, and I soon learned that the temptation was to use its "automatic choir".   There's not really any option for varying the choir sounds, so next thing you know, you have that same darn monk choir in every piece.   

I've had what I'd call only "limited success" getting the ideal choir sound on PEK, but looks like you have a nice rendition here, especially ~ 5:30.   I'm finding the OB6 and Pro 2 to be very capable of choir sounds.   
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on May 30, 2017, 12:35:18 PM
Soundquest -

Yes, like yourself, I positively prefer to immerse myself in sound design, rather than punch in someone else's preset - the same one everyone else is using. 

I do wish I could hear the Poly Evolver choir renditions that others have made.  I'm sure someone has a better one than I have, but there's so little Evolver interest here.  Basically, just you and me.  I'd also like to hear a Prophet 12's versions of a choir parch.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Soundquest on May 31, 2017, 12:06:09 PM
I've gotten this interest brewing in the P12 lately so I've been surfin' the videos.   I too would like to hear it's abilities with a choir patch.   Being it's possible to do so with a Pro 2 I'm thinking the expansive P12 it would cover the job nicely.  I guess with any synth there's definitely an art to making a choir (I mean without reaching for the formant filter or effects first).

I should mention that I do find PEK good for the "talking vowels" type voices.    I've gone so far as to import a wave forms of my voice humming, sampled a snipit, and used that in both OSC 3 & 4.  The problem I have with human voices is getting them to sound authentic outside of a limited note range.   I'll eventually post a few of those voice type sounds from PEK.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on May 31, 2017, 12:43:54 PM
Great.  I'd love to hear what you've got. 

The challenge with the choir patch is that simply transposing a vowel sound to other registers doesn't suffice.  A patch that sounds decent in a lower register will produce that dreaded chipmunk quality in a higher register.  My sense is that the issue involves, not only differing filter settings, but differing wave shapes as well.  In other words, the female voice is not merely a male voice in a higher register; rather, it's an entirely different type of voice.  So, I wouldn't expect to ever find the perfect choir patch that works in both the lower and higher ranges.  No, it will always require two different choir patches - one for male choir and one for female choir.

I'm still intrigued by the Prophet 12 too, although to this day I still haven't played or heard one in person.  I've searched online but never found a recording of a P12 choir patch.  Perhaps a brief snippet exists within a long demo.  But as for the Prophet 12 itself, the Youtube videos are hopelessly discouraging.  I'd love to like this instrument, but the demos sound awful to me.  Not only is its natural voice sterile and harsh, but the monophonic field makes it sound even worse.  Perhaps all of this is misrepresentation.  It's entirely possible that all the folks who have made P12 videos are on the opposite end of the synthesizer spectrum from me, so that they've neglected to demonstrate the aspects that would appeal.  Maybe the P12 would be my favorite instrument in the whole synth world.  But for now, the poly Evolver Keyboard - in spite of its idiosyncrasies - sounds far superior to the Prophet 12.  What to make of it all?

Anyways, what has changed your opinion of the Prophet 12?  Would your intent be to have it replace your Poly Evolver?
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Soundquest on June 01, 2017, 11:38:12 AM
Sacred Synthesis,  To be honest,  I have not even thought about P12 until just a few months ago.  What happened was that I stumbled onto a few P12 videos I like.  I think one was called something like immersing into sound.  I guess I've seen enough since the instruments inception to sway me into considering it (which as you suggested, was not even my original opinion of it).   Owning the Pro 2 gave me more confidence yet.  Knowing that it had same sound architecture and knowing that it could be made to sound good.    One of the early criticisms of P12 on the forum, from what I recall, was it's lack of bass.   Again, the Pro 2 seemed to produce enough bass for my liking.  I'm now at the point where I'm interested in learning more about the instruments softer side, which I'm sure it has.  I want something that I can make monster pads, multi layers.  The lack of sequencer bothers me a bit, which would probably have already sold me on it.   That all into consideration, if I do decide to go this route, it more or less eliminates any other synth related purchase I would make in the near future.    So, here I am in this quandary.  Sort of like you with your indecision on the "ideal mono  synth".    So, will something better come along?   Should I splurge on a Modal?   I need to consider space too.  I cannot even consider the desktop version of P12, so I would need more space to accommodate without ridding my other instruments.  Maybe the safe route for now is to nurse along the PEK, but give it a pacemaker.   

So, I will never replace the PEK voluntarily, and in fact, am still considering options to add more voices, as we discussed a few months ago.  But I will keep this idea in my head, that should I ever need to, that the P12 would be the closest instrument I could think of at present to do the job.     
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on June 02, 2017, 02:29:42 PM
Is your Poly Evolver Keyboard showing signs of aging?  Is that one of the reasons you're considering a Prophet 12?  I've had mine for about six years now, and they're both holding up fine.  One light blinks erratically and I've had to fix one key (with Mark's help), but other than that, the two instruments are in perfect working shape.

I can relate to your P12 interest, though.  Having it out there - so deep and sophisticated - is tantalizing.  The reason I'm hesitant to let go of a PEK, however, is that I've learned to like the specific digital wave shapes it has.  I haven't heard any P12 demos that suggest it would be a fitting replacement.  It seems to be a matter of one or the other, since one can't replace the other. 

I've actually been trying to persuade myself to sell one PEK and buy a Prophet-6.  It's a hard sell, but maybe in time.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Soundquest on June 04, 2017, 01:01:31 PM
Can't really say it aging, though I do have the original encoder version, so a few knobs are flaky.   

Here's those  PEK "voice patches".  Each use at least some of my voice waveshape in the digital oscillators- probably most noticeable in the first patch.   Just some slight room reverb, but it's all PEK.   I threw in last two patches just for kicks to illustrate it's unique sound.

https://soundcloud.com/wavescape-1/pek-voice-samples
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on June 04, 2017, 10:04:04 PM
A short Poly Evolver Keyboard pad demonstration:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZMMseUsTmA
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: dslsynth on June 05, 2017, 04:44:25 AM
A short Poly Evolver Keyboard pad demonstration

Great track! I would love to hear variations of the patch where you do not use the highpass filter and possibly experimented with the tuned feedback set to low frequency and medium to possibly higher volume. Would give it a little more drive which would be great.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on June 05, 2017, 04:49:07 AM
Thanks, Dslsynth.  Yes, I could have gotten more growl out of the sound, but I was more interested in a purely musical application of the pad.  My fellow purists will wince, but I was striving for a Prophet 5-esque quality.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: dslsynth on June 05, 2017, 04:52:01 AM
Thanks, Dslsynth.  Yes, I could have gotten more growl out of the sound, but I was more interested in a purely musical application of the sound.

Still lobbying for a little Evolver Growl (TM) with that awesome patch. Would love to hear the above suggested modifications so what we can hear if that would work for your musical applications.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on June 05, 2017, 04:55:20 AM
Well, the program is saved, so I'll play around with it.  But I wanted to show the dynamic range more than anything else.  Thanks for the suggestion.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: dslsynth on June 05, 2017, 05:20:00 AM
Thanks a lot! I do get the dynamic range experiment and it sounds very good. Just wanted to hear how it would sound with a little more evolved growl.

The manual says on tuned feedback level:
Sets the level of feedback. As the level goes up, the feedback will eventually oscillate at the set Frequency. Medium levels of feedback add depth and movement to the sound.

So more subtle effects are possible and I would love to see if you can explore that in your sound design.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on June 05, 2017, 06:43:22 AM
I experimented with the above pad and Tuned Feedback with all various settings of amount and tuning.  It does add a remarkable growl, alright.  It's an impressive sound to sit and listen to, rumbling and roaring till the floor shakes.  The all-important musical effect, however, is that it limits you to octaves and fifths, and even these become terribly caustic.  Triads and seventh chords are out of the question.  A major seventh would shatter the windows, and a tritone might have the same effect on your skull!  The delicate soft sections of the piece are also corrupted beyond use.  Plus, as you adjust the tuning, the fundamental falls away and the tone becomes hollow, like a flanger.

A fascinating experiment, but it's not my cup of tea.  I realize this is one of the primary reasons people like the Evolver, but I like the instrument for other reasons.  I'm not a noise/sound-maker, but a musician and a purist.  I much prefer the deep warm musical ambiance of the original patch, without Tuned Feedback or even Audio Mod.  So, I could certainly conceive of using the effect for a note or two as a means of creating an impending atmosphere, but not beyond that.  Much more appealing was adding a lot of Glide to all the oscillators, which made the slow lumbering changes of bass notes quite a bit more dramatic. 

Anyway, it was an interesting experiment.  Thanks for the suggestion, Dslsynth.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: dslsynth on June 05, 2017, 08:39:40 AM
Anyway, it was an interesting experiment.  Thanks for the suggestion, Dslsynth.

Thanks for the review, Sacred Synthesis! At least you gave it a try and finding it not very useful to your musical goals. That is fine with me!

One question though: did you use modulations to key step the frequency and would that have compensated some of the problems you found?

You see, the Evolver have no key stepping of the tuned feedback frequency whereas Prophet 12 have key stepping on all the time. On the Evolver key stepping can be done with one or two modulation routings using note as source and tuned feedback frequency as destination.

With key stepping on one could in theory use the tuned feedback as a fifth oscillator.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on June 05, 2017, 09:07:37 AM
No, I only used the Frequency and Level parameters.  I experimented with different settings while holding a single note and had the level up quite high at one point, so that I could hear the feedback pitch moving up the scale.  I do experiment with these things a bit, but again, it's not my normal domain.  I'm always searching instead for purely musical sounds that range from sweet to powerful. 
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: dslsynth on June 05, 2017, 09:21:33 AM
Thanks again for taking your time to try it out. Its certainly a very interesting effect but as you said its not for everyone.

Your description of tuned feedback will surely make many Evolver users smile. Very happy your house (and skull) didn't experience a RUD during the tests!

OT: RUD means Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly and is very well known in rocketry.
https://youtu.be/_BgJEXQkjNQ?t=1m9s
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on June 05, 2017, 10:51:52 AM
Thanks for the tips.  You're the expert in this sort of thing.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Soundquest on June 09, 2017, 07:54:15 AM
Interesting...I probably wont go with a rack, due to cost, even though I tossed the idea around before.  But that one more voice via desktop would be useful to me.  Still got open mixer channels, but my issue is becoming more of wall outlet space.   Hmmn, it'd be a reasonable affordable addition for my "flagship",  but then I wanted to start setting aside for Rev 2 .  Too many decisions :-\

Well,   I decided to strengthen the ole PEK for now and keep that as my flagship for the future....Picked up a very nice condition used table top Evolver to add a fifth voice.   I think I will be happy with the 5 voice, as even my limited keyboard playing ability often exceeded the 4 voice limit.  I've only had an hour with it....but on the offset I noticed that I'm still limited to 4 voices in combo mode.   I haven't read manual yet , but does anyone know if that is simply the case, or can you go > 4 in combo mode?  Iím thinkiní itís probably related to editing the associated combo patches first- and that whole debacle.  Also noticing a time little lag when using sequencer- didnít know if that is an intrinsic problem either?
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on July 02, 2017, 11:16:10 AM
Two similar all-Evolver pieces from the same session:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW_pBr06BLg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8NT1GUoImQ
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Soundquest on July 05, 2017, 08:23:20 AM
I listen to LXXVIII (the first one) so far  and noticed a re-occurring theme developing from 2:30 - 5:00, which then continues onward.  Very pretty, like from some epic older movie soundtrack.   Like the oboe like ~ 6:30 too.

So then your bass peddle is going just into the tabletop PEK and would not necessarily be poly chained?
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on July 05, 2017, 09:30:55 AM
Thanks, Soundquest.  That's the advantage of the approach.  You start with a theme, and as you progress through each piece and the whole series, you develop that theme.  The end result is that it sounds less like a meandering improvisation and more like a designed composition.  That's usually my objective, since my improvisations are not experiments.

The bass is played on the Hammond pedalboard, which controls the Evolver Desktop.  The keyboards have nothing to do with it.  This allows me to use bass sounds that are very different from the keyboard patches.

I have to tell you, I've been seriously considering replacing a Poly Evolver Keyboard with a Prophet 12.  (This might be partly through your own comments and revived interest in the instrument.  They got me thinking about it again. >:()  In fact, I was just about to put a PEK on Craigslist.  But then in these improvisations the PEK left me speechless.  They used one of the most powerful and gorgeous patches I've thus far designed.  I couldn't believe how good it sounded on my stereo.  What an incredible instrument!  And I thought, "Could a Prophet 12 come even close to such a sound?"  I've been repeatedly asking myself this question all week, and I can't give a certain answer.  But I highly doubt it.  So, my sudden interest in the P12 took a sudden dive!  Up and down and up and down....



Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Soundquest on July 06, 2017, 01:08:05 PM
Well I have to agree that you squeezed out a benchmark with what I call "classical sound" there on PEK that is hard to beat.  I think us "Evolver heads" have learned that new, or newer, is not always better, and I'm pretty much have settled in the same boat -as far as keeping PEK and my new 5th voice Evolver as long as they can light up and sing in their unique way.       Anyway,  I hope you would never sell your PEK to make room for the P12 as there probably isn't too many people with dual PEK's doing classical type music like you do.   But in the same vain, I could see how a P12 could be a neat addition to what you do.  I know I would love to have a P12,  not as a replacement, but rather an augment perhaps.

RE- your bass pedals.  Ok,  that makes sense to keep it independent.  I'm gonna try that with mine.   

   
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on July 06, 2017, 04:19:12 PM
RE- your bass pedals.  Ok,  that makes sense to keep it independent.  I'm gonna try that with mine.

The Evolver desktop makes a superb bass sound-source because of its four oscillators, and also, because the DSI tone is not overwhelming in the bass department.  Too much bottom end would muddy the sound.  I've often considered adding a Moog Minitaur; it would be an obvious addition.  But I don't think the Moog sound would suit this type of bass performance; it would lose the clarity this sort of music needs.

Depending on how things go with the Rev2, I may switch to, or add, a Prophet '08 module as a bass sound-source.  I think that might work even better, because of the ability to stack two different sounds and the polyphony.  My point is, the DSI character works well for pedalboard bass.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on July 07, 2017, 08:31:23 AM
All Gear Acquisition Syndrome aside (with the exception of an additional Prophet '08 Module acquired this year, I haven't bought a new synthesizer for perhaps five years), I'm always searching for the ideal polyphonic synthesizer.  The search is for something bigger, more powerful, and richer sounding (pretty much identical to the monophonic synthesizer quest).  This always requires a bare minimum of four oscillators, four LFOs, eight-voice polyphony, and a five-octave keyboard.  Thus far, the Poly Evolvers and Prophet '08s have served me exceptionally well, but I've had to use multiple units to get the sound I sought.  But I'm always open to something else that will better serve the musical cause.  A Prophet 12?   Hmmm...
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: chysn on July 07, 2017, 09:04:49 AM
Too much bottom end would muddy the sound.  I've often considered adding a Moog Minitaur; it would be an obvious addition.  But I don't think the Moog sound would suit this type of bass performance; it would lose the clarity this sort of music needs.

The Minitaur's whole thing is bass clarity. It shakes the earth but you can always identify the pitch. It has one job, and is amazing at it.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on July 07, 2017, 09:25:50 AM
The problem is, I'm often playing eighth and sixteenth notes way down in the lower registers, using even the 32' range, and with a substantial amount of reverb.  Plus, I need the ability to play two notes at once in the bass - often doubling the octaves, but sometimes adding the upper fifth.  You could be right and I could be wrong, but it seems to me the typical Moog bass sound could make a mess of such dense and busy pedal work.  So, I've played it safe and not tried the Minitaur.

Additional reasons I've not used the Moog are its mere two oscillators and lack of pulse widths and, therefore, PWM.  The Evolver Desktop is excellent for pedalboard bass, and so, too, would be the Prophet '08 Module.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on October 26, 2017, 07:28:05 PM
Imitation for Poly Evolver Keyboard:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mnH34DMLBo
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Soundquest on November 21, 2017, 06:27:53 AM
This is all PEK, including what sounds like a voice say "yes' during the last minute.  Bass drum and shaker are Korg EMX.

https://soundcloud.com/wavescape-1/yes-answer
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on November 21, 2017, 06:50:30 AM
Oh, your poor, sad, and neglected Poly Evolver Keyboard.  She still sounds great, even as she's been P12-ed.

The PEK is excellent at producing patches that sound like a combination of strummed and plucked instruments.  The effect is very sensitive to how you play the keyboard.  This patch has a touch of that quality. 
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Soundquest on November 22, 2017, 09:20:13 AM
Well you're almost right Sacred synthesis about my PEK getting "P12'ed",  as it's not just my loved PEK, but also each of my other synths now sharing that fate ;)     

In all seriousness, I could become obsessed with the P12, but I do need to find a regiment now with it now being part of my set up.  It'd would too be easy to want to drive the Ferarri all the time, but as a reality check I think my other gear will always be part of the daily drivers.  The idea being, that even with the DSI gear that I own, the differences and merits of each, validates the use of variation.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: ReubenJones on December 06, 2017, 03:53:33 PM
Here's my latest recording using my PEK and PER along with some other friends.

I really love this spongy and resonant patch.

I can't find any information on the piece or composer, but it's a lovely tune that my mum used to play on piano as a young girl. I recorded this for her birthday, and then made a video for it. I hope you enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zbo_NmHpiI

Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on December 06, 2017, 04:17:03 PM
Excellent.  And yes, it is a nice juicy sort of patch, yet it still has clarity.

I think the Poly Evolver Keyboard is exceedingly photogenic.  Gorgeous!
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Soundquest on December 07, 2017, 11:17:14 AM
ReubenJones-  I like it.  Has the classic sound basics and beautiful.   
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: ReubenJones on December 07, 2017, 03:44:36 PM
Thanks Sacred Synthesis and Soundquest. This one is probably the most 'normal' music I've made with the PolyEvolver! I'll be posting some more soon.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on January 13, 2018, 08:17:00 PM
Improvisation 82:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_7Sx3p69eE
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on January 26, 2018, 11:45:51 PM
Sliding Brass patch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0jc7Ux8pOM
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Soundquest on January 27, 2018, 09:17:15 AM
Sacred Synthesis,   

Just curious, what is your take on the glide on PEK?   I always felt that it seemed either on or off (as if the knob adjustment range is too small).    Oooh at 1:34.  Like the picture too.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on January 27, 2018, 02:50:24 PM
Soundquest,

For certain, DSI glide is a mystery.  Perhaps a mathematician could keep track of it and arrive at an accurate prediction of its behavior, note by note, but I certainly can't.  I can foresee how it will react about 1/3 of the time.  But I don't have a problem with setting the Amount.  It does respond with more glide or less glide, rather than in an on/off manner. 

I made this patch with two other instruments in mind: the Korg Prologue and the DSI Prophet 12.  Regarding the first, I don't think a serious comparison can be made.  Keep in mind that this is a single sound, rather than one that is layered.  There is a fair amount of reverb added, as well as onboard delay, but no chorus.  So, this is basically raw Evolver.  I don't think the Korg could come within a hundred miles of the sonic richness and depth.  As for the P12, I don't know.  I'd need more time to work with one (please, God!).  But I wonder whether or not a P12 could match this patch.  I think the Evolver has an exceptional filter, seemingly better than the one on the P12.  But that wouldn't stop me from getting one!
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Robot Heart on January 29, 2018, 02:32:53 PM
Since glide is polyphonic, each voice glides from the last note that it played to the current note that voice is playing, so glide can seem to come from a few different locations.

The lowpass filter in the Evolver is literally identical to the filter in the P12, it's the exact same part from the same manufacturer.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on January 29, 2018, 02:45:25 PM
Since glide is polyphonic, each voice glides from the last note that it played to the current note that voice is playing, so glide can seem to come from a few different locations.

The lowpass filter in the Evolver is literally identical to the filter in the P12, it's the exact same part from the same manufacturer.

There must be other components involved, then, because I compared the two side-by-side and, to my ears, they sounded different.  At the very least, the PEK's stereo filters go a long way to enriching the overall sound.  But that's good news to me, a potential P12 buyer!
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Paul Dither on January 29, 2018, 03:00:03 PM
Since glide is polyphonic, each voice glides from the last note that it played to the current note that voice is playing, so glide can seem to come from a few different locations.

The lowpass filter in the Evolver is literally identical to the filter in the P12, it's the exact same part from the same manufacturer.

There must be other components involved, then, because I compared the two side-by-side and, to my ears, they sounded different.  At the very least, the PEK's stereo filters go a long way to enriching the overall sound.  But that's good news to me, a potential P12 buyer!

The key difference here is the stereo arrangement. Even if the audio signal only varies ever so slightly by going through two filters at the same time, it will cause that enriching effect you mentioned. If I remember correctly, though, the Prophet 12's LP filter frequency response was slightly tweaked with regard to the DSP-based oscillators.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: dslsynth on January 29, 2018, 03:08:35 PM
There must be other components involved, then, because I compared the two side-by-side and, to my ears, they sounded different.

The Evolver uses a A/D + DSP + D/A step after the filter/amp so there are indeed different components involved.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on January 29, 2018, 03:10:43 PM
Since glide is polyphonic, each voice glides from the last note that it played to the current note that voice is playing, so glide can seem to come from a few different locations.

The lowpass filter in the Evolver is literally identical to the filter in the P12, it's the exact same part from the same manufacturer.

There must be other components involved, then, because I compared the two side-by-side and, to my ears, they sounded different.  At the very least, the PEK's stereo filters go a long way to enriching the overall sound.  But that's good news to me, a potential P12 buyer!

The key difference here is the stereo arrangement. Even if the audio signal only varies ever so slightly by going through two filters at the same time, it will cause that enriching effect you mentioned. If I remember correctly, though, the Prophet 12's LP filter frequency response was slightly tweaked with regard to the DSP-based oscillators.

Keep in mind, though, that I did use the Output B on the P12 and run it in stereo, even altering one layer's filter cut off frequency to emulate the PEK's stereo filter.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Paul Dither on January 29, 2018, 03:15:32 PM
Keep in mind, though, that I did use the Output B on the P12 and run it in stereo, even altering one layer's filter cut off frequency to emulate the PEK's stereo filter.

Right. Hence I brought up the aspect with the slight filter tweak on the P12. So the response may vary a bit.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Robot Heart on January 29, 2018, 03:19:37 PM
There are certainly other components involved, as others have pointed out, and just the fact that it's a different instrument means many of the circuits are indeed different as well as the overall design that makes up the voice architecture.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on January 29, 2018, 09:19:55 PM
I can't remember ever reading comments in favor of the Evolver's filter.  People praise many things about it, but the filter seems to be considered unremarkable, if not poor.  Regardless, it strikes me as rich and creamy - words definitely not associated with the PEK.  But create a thick four-oscillator pad, turn up the resonance to about 62, sweep the cut off, and goodness gracious it sounds gorgeous.  Strangely, even better than the Prophet '08.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on February 19, 2018, 01:34:59 PM
Icy pad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSQHT3lSopg
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Soundquest on February 20, 2018, 10:18:26 AM
So Sacred Synthesis,  did you buy that blue foot peddle (just right of your bass peddles) just to match the PEK ?  ;)

Very wispy in parts.  It sounds as if you are using HP filter, but are you bringing in noise too?

Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on February 20, 2018, 10:35:21 AM
Yes, I've got two of those old DSI pedals.  They match nicely with the two Poly Evolver Keyboards.  I'm color-coordinated.  ;D

I'm tweaking the high pass filter at several points as I play, but there is no white noise added at any point.  As you know, that means it has to be set at least to "1" before you start playing, or else you'll get a loud "pop" when you first turn it.  It's the quality of the digital waveform that, in lower registers and at certain cut off frequency points, has that "wispy" quality to it.  I've come to identify this effect as part and parcel of the distinctive voice of the Evolver.

You know, this question constantly crosses my mind these days, as I debate whether or not to replace a PEK with a P12: "Can the Prophet 12 do that?"  It's said that the Prophet 12 is the new Poly Evolver Keyboard, but I just don't hear it.  To me, the P12 seems like a thoroughly different instrument, which is fine.  The digital sounds I repeatedly hear P12 users making are quite different from those typical of the PEK, and I hear very little crossover.  So, to repeat the nagging question - "Is it at all possible to create this sort of icy pad on the Prophet 12, wisps and all?" 
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Soundquest on April 26, 2018, 05:21:15 PM
This is 90% PEK-meaning all the melody lines including the plucky, humming and bendy notes.  The "Moogy" bass is Vermona MKII. I used the Roland VP7 for the female choir though.


https://soundcloud.com/wavescape-1/the-electric-altar
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on April 26, 2018, 05:38:04 PM
The main sound has a cross between a bowing and a strumming effect.  Excellent programming on a whole variety of sounds.

Is your Poly Evolver still talking to you?
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Soundquest on April 26, 2018, 06:20:23 PM
Oh Yes,  PEK is not being replaced from my studio with a younger sexier model, well unless of course that model is like a PEK revision.  I guess I feel a little guilty having the P12 now too, almost polygamy ;D
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on April 26, 2018, 07:15:54 PM
Oh Yes,  PEK is not being replaced from my studio with a younger sexier model, well unless of course that model is like a PEK revision.  I guess I feel a little guilty having the P12 now too, almost polygamy ;D

I think in this case it would be poly polygamy.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: ReubenJones on August 24, 2018, 04:17:55 AM
New techno track with heavy use of Poly Evolver  8) 8) 8)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxa5dzP19pk
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on September 05, 2018, 08:14:44 PM
A short demonstration of a HPF pad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvVVMFZHHCk
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Soundquest on September 12, 2018, 05:36:14 PM
Sacred Synthesis , just curious if you are applying the sweep with your foot or have that modulated in w an envelope?   Strangely I've had my PEK for quite a few years now but only more recently started using it's HP filter. I think it's other features kept me preoccupied ;)
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on September 12, 2018, 05:53:38 PM
The high pass filter was modulated by the third envelope.  No pedal or wheel was used.  It's rather difficult to get the balance right between the modulation amount and the high pass parameter setting.  You have to go back and forth between the two until you've maximized the effect.  And of course, the VCA attack is quite slow, so you only faintly hear the high pass at its peak.  The patch demands a lot from three separate envelopes.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Soundquest on September 13, 2018, 01:48:15 PM
The high pass filter was modulated by the third envelope.  No pedal or wheel was used.  It's rather difficult to get the balance right between the modulation amount and the high pass parameter setting.  You have to go back and forth between the two until you've maximized the effect.  And of course, the VCA attack is quite slow, so you only faintly hear the high pass at its peak.  The patch demands a lot from three separate envelopes.

Ok, I listened again and yes smoother than one could do with a foot or pedal.     Being the PEK fan that you are,  have you ever tried using its sequencer to modulate filters and such.  Not sitting in front the instruments at the moment, but I can't recall off-hand if it was the PEK that had the sequencer slew (or was that the PO8?).   I found that filter "sweeps" could be done that way and erasing the abruptness between steps using the slew.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on September 14, 2018, 05:14:52 PM
Soundquest,

I occasionally use the sequencer on the PEK as a mean of controlling the filter, but usually by key strikes.  As for slew, could you be thinking of the Prophet 12?  That instrument has a slew feature, for example, that I found wonderfully useful for rounding off S+H type effects and others.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on September 14, 2018, 05:29:42 PM
I had to post this demonstration because it shows the incredible power and sonic range of the Poly Evolver Keyboard.  A brilliant instrument!  C'mon, Dave....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSFNEmJjl7c
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Soundquest on September 17, 2018, 10:48:45 AM
And IMO, still the coolest looking keyboard synth too.   Hope any revision would consider the same blue scheme.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on September 17, 2018, 11:01:55 AM
Absolutely.  If it wasn't blue, it wouldn't sound like an Evolver.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Soundquest on October 14, 2018, 05:08:57 PM
So my wife did raise an eyebrow when she saw me setting up a microphone in front of a steaming teapot on our stove ???  Well, I figured that might make an interesting source for a wave shape to import into the PEK.   I'm satisfied with the result, as I was hoping for almost a calliope type sound, which can be heard somewhat in one of the examples.  Though envelopes shortened attack on a few of these give a bell type sound.   Key was using the HP filter to rid the bottom end.  last patch has a touch of saw wave added.   The wave form is sort of an angular sine.  (see pdf)

https://soundcloud.com/wavescape-1/poly-evolver-tea-pot-wave-shapes



Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on October 15, 2018, 12:04:42 PM
That's a fascinating collection of sounds, Soundquest.  You've lived up to your name!  I've always loved the general bell category of tones, and these are like exotic bells.  Very pretty, and certainly musically useful.

I have to make a suggestion for naming the patches: "PEK Pots."  Too cute?
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: dslsynth on October 15, 2018, 02:30:09 PM
Very interesting project, Soundquest! What software did you use to create the waveshapes from the recordings you made? Making new waveshapes is on my list of things to do but haven't really started on YIN yet.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Soundquest on October 16, 2018, 08:57:46 AM
That's a fascinating collection of sounds, Soundquest.  You've lived up to your name!  I've always loved the general bell category of tones, and these are like exotic bells.  Very pretty, and certainly musically useful.

I have to make a suggestion for naming the patches: "PEK Pots."  Too cute?

Thanks Sacred Synthesis.  In keeping the PEK relevant compared to Sequential's latest offerings, I was looking to come up with something 8Dio wouldn't have in their samples  ;)     And "PEK pots" works!


Very interesting project, Soundquest! What software did you use to create the waveshapes from the recordings you made? Making new waveshapes is on my list of things to do but haven't really started on YIN yet.

dslsynth,  check out Chsyn's post in the PEK rack section of this forum. Initially I got it from the old forum.  So I think that link to the wav software may be old now from what I recall.  I have it saved on my computer.  If you cannot find it I could probably zip you the file

https://forum.sequential.com/index.php/topic,39.0.html
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Soundquest on December 05, 2018, 05:32:29 PM
Well, I really do like the idea of being able to import my own waveshapes, awkward as the process is to do that with PEK, it still is my only synth capable of that.   This goes back to a concept I posted a few months ago... "teapot waveshapes".
The main sound throughout is from those wave shapes. Weird voices are PEK.    I'm using the Polyend sequencer, and the dreamy pads is P12. Percussion Vermona MKII.

https://soundcloud.com/wavescape-1/musix-box-carousel-master

Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on December 05, 2018, 05:52:52 PM
Very pretty, Soundquest.  I especially liked the very soft sequence in the background.  Some of those sounds made me think someone was talking behind me.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Soundquest on December 06, 2018, 10:33:28 AM
Thanks Sacred Synthesis.   For a hardware sequencer, the Polyend "Seq" as they call it,  can adjust volume/velocity pretty easily.

Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Soundquest on January 27, 2019, 08:51:49 AM
PEK using combo mode.  PO8 does the weird female voice.  Korg EMX drums

https://soundcloud.com/wavescape-1/evolve-me
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on January 27, 2019, 10:04:04 AM
Soundquest, you have a way of squeezing the funniest sounds out of a synthesizer.  I thought there was some sort of gnome behind my chair saying, "Uh-huh, uh-huh."  Nice work, as always.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Soundquest on January 28, 2019, 01:02:17 PM
Oooh, good name for that patch "gnome"  Thanks Sacred Synthesis.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on April 28, 2019, 01:39:14 PM
Improvisation #93:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg3Pm4YjsE4
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Soundquest on April 30, 2019, 09:39:03 AM
Sacred Synthesis,

Re: Improv 93.   Almost haunting like.  Somehow the New England style picture fits right in.  Is that an old church or school house?   

At 10:14 I noticed the metallic/HP filter sound come in.  I think this was really quite effective- keeping it going to the end.  I assume you have that going up down slowly using an LFO?     Also, the very end had quite a surprizing sound that I hadn't heard you use before. Nice.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on April 30, 2019, 12:28:39 PM
Thanks, Soundquest.  I guess we have the PEK section of the forum all to ourselves.  Oh well. 

The photograph is of the Alcott barn in Concord, Massachusetts.  It is classic NE architecture.  I've added another photo of it below, as well as the Alcott house.  My wife and I make literary pilgrimages of sorts each summer, and this was from last year's trip.

The patch is the same throughout the improvisation, except for the opening of the filter.  I use a slight slow LFO modulating of the filter to give a heaving/breathing quality.  Periodically, and especially at the end, I open the filter using the modulation wheel.  The complexity of the digital wave shape is what makes the patch, even though there's also soft PWM to warm up the sound a bit.  And you're right, I don't often allow this sort of caustic sound to come to the fore.  It was so discordant and the bass so throaty that I was concerned the chord progressions wouldn't come through; it was close.

In spite of the many new and impressive instruments now available, the Poly Evolver Keyboard is still alive and well!

Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Soundquest on May 01, 2019, 10:44:08 AM
The forum seems to have been generally quiet lately, except for maybe the Prophet X threads, which I don't really visit. maybe it's just the springtime effect.   I really enjoy the new equipment and off-topic sections, though quite honestly, as much as I like looking at the newest offerings,  there is not another synth exciting me at the moment, not that I can afford one at the moment anyway. 

So, looking inward, I know I've had some mighty large distractions this year from some other equipment.   That Polyend, sequencer and the Linn 128- which I just got, and love.   But for me, those are tools, not instruments.   Through all this the PEK is still getting a good percentage of my  time - and with good reason.   As I've learned, it just sounds so unique and ages like a fine bourbon. 

It might take a few more years, but I'm thinking as PEK becomes more of a retro classic, there might be a resurgence of it's sounds posted out there.

Re: pic,  I was in Concord once- pretty town.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Soundquest on May 05, 2019, 09:30:44 AM
I always liked the African High Life music style.  My attempt at it using PEK.  This is all PEK except for the percussion, which is actual percussion.

Used the Linn controller for the guitar part.  The kalimba-like sound throughout- I made that using a waveform from an actual kalimba.

https://soundcloud.com/wavescape-1/new-kalimba
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Soundquest on July 29, 2019, 05:14:50 PM
This is all PEK except for the acoustic drum.   I "sampled" the waveform for the pan flute and imported that to the osc 3 and 4.  Then used the Linn midi controller to control it since bending and tremelo is very easily controlled with it.  The harp sequence is driven by Polyend sequencer.  The bugs, birds and wind was the fun part.

https://soundcloud.com/wavescape-1/meadow-in-the-andes
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Soundquest on February 12, 2020, 04:44:01 PM
This is all PEK.  I used a midi track for the guitar parts from Yngwie Malmsteen's Icarus Dream Suite.  The pads and voices are all added in separately.  Interestingly perhaps, at 4:00- the solo sound is made from a sampled waveform from a wine glass (that sound you get when rubbing your finger over the rim of a wine glass) which I imported into PEK digital oscillators. Like any midi track, format can be a bit mechanical I suppose, but it was fun playing around with it.

https://soundcloud.com/wavescape-1/icarus-dream-suite
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Soundquest on July 06, 2020, 11:36:50 AM
Learned of Ennio Morricone's death today.  This man was a great composer.   I always liked his style, and especially one of his more recognizable pieces from the Good Bad and the Ugly soundtrack.  I did a copy of it in 2015.    It's all PEK, except for the snare drum and cymbal.  Check out the PEK blare trumpets ~ 2:40. 

from my original post....
This is one that I recently completed- and a little out of genera for me- as I don't normally use midi files for my structure.  This one is all PEK.  The midi file was used in the PEK combo mode to produce the windy/mechanical sound, then I went back and added the color of trumpets/percussion/voices/etc.  I obtained permission- as you'll recognize the obvious copy.  PS>  the whinny voices I did using the mod wheel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsZ37CZ9kys


Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: LoboLives on July 27, 2020, 05:16:25 PM
Learned of Ennio Morricone's death today.  This man was a great composer.   I always liked his style, and especially one of his more recognizable pieces from the Good Bad and the Ugly soundtrack.  I did a copy of it in 2015.    It's all PEK, except for the snare drum and cymbal.  Check out the PEK blare trumpets ~ 2:40. 

from my original post....
This is one that I recently completed- and a little out of genera for me- as I don't normally use midi files for my structure.  This one is all PEK.  The midi file was used in the PEK combo mode to produce the windy/mechanical sound, then I went back and added the color of trumpets/percussion/voices/etc.  I obtained permission- as you'll recognize the obvious copy.  PS>  the whinny voices I did using the mod wheel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsZ37CZ9kys

Great job. Morricone was actually one of the first composers of his caliber to use electronic elements in his scores. He was really into experimentation. His score for The Humanoid is a synth score of his I highly recommend.
Title: Re: Poly Evolver Music
Post by: Soundquest on July 28, 2020, 09:29:00 AM
Thanks Lobo lives.   I did not know that about Morricone.  I'll check it out.