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Title: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: creativespiral on August 24, 2021, 09:49:03 AM
Post Your Firmware Update / Feature Requests here.
Only firmware related feature requests.

1. Allow for more User Patches.  128 is very low for today's day and age.   Hoping this is not really a memory limitation, as the hardware cost would be pennies for a few hundred kb more patch space.   If at all possible, please make a way to switch to alternate banks of patches (even if it requires a menu dive to get to U2,U3,U4) and give us 512 or so user slots. 

2. Add Per-Key Voice Allocation option in Globals (or even better, per patch), along with the default Round Robin.   Since the core sound architecture is very similar to P5, this would be a great addition to dial in more classic/vintage Prophet 5 character.   It seems the fw algorithms have already been designed for r4..  If they can be ported over to Take 5, it would be awesome.   It really makes sense for a five voice synth like this, and its especially pertinent / pronounced once you start introducing vintage knob voice offsets.   This would be really great for expanding upon the character options for this synth. 
Title: Re: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: Quatschmacher on August 24, 2021, 10:58:34 AM
Iím duplicating this here as itís probably more of a request as I donít think itís currently a feature:

Hey Carson and Pym, one thing that I was wondering about, if low split is enabled does that have any effect upon the voice stealing behaviour?

I was thinking that it would be cool if engaging low split inhibited the synth from stealing any held note in the lower portion. I imagine the most common use for low split would be single bass notes with 4-note chords in the upper section so it would be nice if a held bass note were given some priority in voice allocation when changing chords in the upper section.
Title: Re: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: MidiNonPlussed on September 04, 2021, 05:06:37 PM
When clock syncing a delay or LFO, it would be nice to see the time division on the screen as you twist the knob.
 
Title: Re: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: creativespiral on September 06, 2021, 12:19:41 PM
+1   Yeah, it would be great to see the OLED screen used for more value/parameter feedback. 

After being acclimated to all the other Sequential instruments with these screens, I had just assumed the T5 would have the same sort of UI functionality... definitely seems like a bit of a missed opportunity currently.   Having feedback on exact values of knob turns is very valuable to doing more complex sound designs.. and also for editing existing patches with a point of comparison.   

Hoping this will come in a future OS updates, as it will increase usability and speed up the sound design process. 
Title: Re: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: shoeshineteeth on September 08, 2021, 04:52:40 PM
For me, more presets and some more functionality on the sequencer would be nice.  Another small thing and, it may likely be just me, but itíd be great to temporarily see the values on the screen of the knobs you are turning. 
Title: Re: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: Autosynther on September 12, 2021, 11:16:41 PM
For me, more presets and some more functionality on the sequencer would be nice.  Another small thing and, it may likely be just me, but itíd be great to temporarily see the values on the screen of the knobs you are turning.
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Prologue has a nice touch on values of knobs - it also shows arrows and a star when at the stored value of the preset. So you can dial in on panel what the stored preset has when continue on one intermediate save you did.

Yes, minimum would be to make factory presets overwritable too, to make 256 presets overall.
My former KingKorg had a setting to remove protect of factory presets, and Prologue had it by default overwritable.

You cannot start fiddling with sysex stuff and various library manager so soon as at 128.
Title: Re: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: Autosynther on September 13, 2021, 01:43:48 AM
If factory presets are bound to be overwritten by firmware updates, I would take that, if I can just sysex dump that before update, and then sysex restore.

Those extra 128 slots are really worth it.

Or if there would be a swap feature - 128 factory and 128 user preset memory - and use the ordinary sysex features.
Title: Re: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: LoboLives on September 13, 2021, 10:43:09 AM
10 voice paraphonic mode. Bypassing the multiple filters and allowing for some nice string machine style sounds.
Title: Re: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: Moho on September 18, 2021, 02:51:16 AM
When clock syncing a delay or LFO, it would be nice to see the time division on the screen as you twist the knob.

+1
Title: Re: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: xoxo on September 22, 2021, 04:20:54 AM
Of course all the above....
Far from the synth aspects I wish more functionality for the footswitch:
Transposing a sequence in combination with the rec button is ergonomically a bit difficult and sometimes leads to overwrite the existing sequence (if I hit the c key twice) and putting a chord in the unison mode while holding the unison button leads to very funny body gestures. It would really be great to have those functions on a foot pedal.
Title: Re: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: LoboLives on September 22, 2021, 06:34:11 AM
Of course all the above....
Far from the synth aspects I wish more functionality for the footswitch:
Transposing a sequence in combination with the rec button is ergonomically a bit difficult and sometimes leads to overwrite the existing sequence (if I hit the c key twice) and putting a chord in the unison mode while holding the unison button leads to very funny body gestures. It would really be great to have those functions on a foot pedal.

Unfortunately the sequencer transpose issue has been a problem since the P6. Only recently did they implement the ability to transpose the sequence on the P6 and OB6 although only if the patch is in Unison/Mono mode.

The REV2 and Prophet X are still, annoyingly stuck with having the hold the record button while transposing the sequence. There is likely no interest in changing this sadly. It would help immensely, especially on the Prophet X and REV 2 in split mode to be able to transpose the sequence with the left hand while you also play a different layer with your right hand.
Title: Re: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: LPF83 on September 22, 2021, 07:45:26 AM
Of course all the above....
Far from the synth aspects I wish more functionality for the footswitch:
Transposing a sequence in combination with the rec button is ergonomically a bit difficult and sometimes leads to overwrite the existing sequence (if I hit the c key twice) and putting a chord in the unison mode while holding the unison button leads to very funny body gestures. It would really be great to have those functions on a foot pedal.

Unfortunately the sequencer transpose issue has been a problem since the P6. Only recently did they implement the ability to transpose the sequence on the P6 and OB6 although only if the patch is in Unison/Mono mode.

The REV2 and Prophet X are still, annoyingly stuck with having the hold the record button while transposing the sequence. There is likely no interest in changing this sadly. It would help immensely, especially on the Prophet X and REV 2 in split mode to be able to transpose the sequence with the left hand while you also play a different layer with your right hand.

Subtraction of one man's annoyance usually results in addition of another man's.  For example I sometimes record a sequence on the P6/OB6, and dump it into Cubase after I like the result.  Well without transpose being limited to holding Record, this means that for Unison/Mono patches I have to turn Unison off to prevent the DAW from transposing the sequence with each sequenced note that's played (since local on has to be enabled).  So yeah all of a sudden pitch goes ballistic. 

Its a small inconvenience but it does disrupt my workflow, and every little nuance like that means I have to put musical ideas in my mind on hold to deal with non-musical technical hurdles.  But I'd rather deal with impact to my own preferences than request yet another feature (i.e. while holding Preset and tapping out morse code on the program buttons and using the elbow to hold down the velocity button, peck at the saw wave switch with nose to disable transpose sequence... etc)
Title: Re: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: LoboLives on September 22, 2021, 11:09:55 AM
Of course all the above....
Far from the synth aspects I wish more functionality for the footswitch:
Transposing a sequence in combination with the rec button is ergonomically a bit difficult and sometimes leads to overwrite the existing sequence (if I hit the c key twice) and putting a chord in the unison mode while holding the unison button leads to very funny body gestures. It would really be great to have those functions on a foot pedal.

Unfortunately the sequencer transpose issue has been a problem since the P6. Only recently did they implement the ability to transpose the sequence on the P6 and OB6 although only if the patch is in Unison/Mono mode.

The REV2 and Prophet X are still, annoyingly stuck with having the hold the record button while transposing the sequence. There is likely no interest in changing this sadly. It would help immensely, especially on the Prophet X and REV 2 in split mode to be able to transpose the sequence with the left hand while you also play a different layer with your right hand.

Subtraction of one man's annoyance usually results in addition of another man's.  For example I sometimes record a sequence on the P6/OB6, and dump it into Cubase after I like the result.  Well without transpose being limited to holding Record, this means that for Unison/Mono patches I have to turn Unison off to prevent the DAW from transposing the sequence with each sequenced note that's played (since local on has to be enabled).  So yeah all of a sudden pitch goes ballistic. 

Its a small inconvenience but it does disrupt my workflow, and every little nuance like that means I have to put musical ideas in my mind on hold to deal with non-musical technical hurdles.  But I'd rather deal with impact to my own preferences than request yet another feature (i.e. while holding Preset and tapping out morse code on the program buttons and using the elbow to hold down the velocity button, peck at the saw wave switch with nose to disable transpose sequence... etc)

Except your work style and work flow means absolutely nothing to my work style and work flow.
Title: Re: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: LPF83 on September 22, 2021, 03:29:26 PM
Of course all the above....
Far from the synth aspects I wish more functionality for the footswitch:
Transposing a sequence in combination with the rec button is ergonomically a bit difficult and sometimes leads to overwrite the existing sequence (if I hit the c key twice) and putting a chord in the unison mode while holding the unison button leads to very funny body gestures. It would really be great to have those functions on a foot pedal.

Unfortunately the sequencer transpose issue has been a problem since the P6. Only recently did they implement the ability to transpose the sequence on the P6 and OB6 although only if the patch is in Unison/Mono mode.

The REV2 and Prophet X are still, annoyingly stuck with having the hold the record button while transposing the sequence. There is likely no interest in changing this sadly. It would help immensely, especially on the Prophet X and REV 2 in split mode to be able to transpose the sequence with the left hand while you also play a different layer with your right hand.

Subtraction of one man's annoyance usually results in addition of another man's.  For example I sometimes record a sequence on the P6/OB6, and dump it into Cubase after I like the result.  Well without transpose being limited to holding Record, this means that for Unison/Mono patches I have to turn Unison off to prevent the DAW from transposing the sequence with each sequenced note that's played (since local on has to be enabled).  So yeah all of a sudden pitch goes ballistic. 

Its a small inconvenience but it does disrupt my workflow, and every little nuance like that means I have to put musical ideas in my mind on hold to deal with non-musical technical hurdles.  But I'd rather deal with impact to my own preferences than request yet another feature (i.e. while holding Preset and tapping out morse code on the program buttons and using the elbow to hold down the velocity button, peck at the saw wave switch with nose to disable transpose sequence... etc)

Except your work style and work flow means absolutely nothing to my work style and work flow.

Exactly, that's what I meant...  A feature that's desirable to one person might be taking away from someone else, and vice versa... different people have different needs.  So from the synth designer perspective, how to figure out which are the "right" features to add?  (Assuming "right" means that which positively impacts more people than it negatively impacts)
Title: Re: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: xoxo on September 22, 2021, 06:27:00 PM
Of course all the above....
Far from the synth aspects I wish more functionality for the footswitch:
Transposing a sequence in combination with the rec button is ergonomically a bit difficult and sometimes leads to overwrite the existing sequence (if I hit the c key twice) and putting a chord in the unison mode while holding the unison button leads to very funny body gestures. It would really be great to have those functions on a foot pedal.

Unfortunately the sequencer transpose issue has been a problem since the P6. Only recently did they implement the ability to transpose the sequence on the P6 and OB6 although only if the patch is in Unison/Mono mode.

The REV2 and Prophet X are still, annoyingly stuck with having the hold the record button while transposing the sequence. There is likely no interest in changing this sadly. It would help immensely, especially on the Prophet X and REV 2 in split mode to be able to transpose the sequence with the left hand while you also play a different layer with your right hand.

Subtraction of one man's annoyance usually results in addition of another man's.  For example I sometimes record a sequence on the P6/OB6, and dump it into Cubase after I like the result.  Well without transpose being limited to holding Record, this means that for Unison/Mono patches I have to turn Unison off to prevent the DAW from transposing the sequence with each sequenced note that's played (since local on has to be enabled).  So yeah all of a sudden pitch goes ballistic. 

Its a small inconvenience but it does disrupt my workflow, and every little nuance like that means I have to put musical ideas in my mind on hold to deal with non-musical technical hurdles.  But I'd rather deal with impact to my own preferences than request yet another feature (i.e. while holding Preset and tapping out morse code on the program buttons and using the elbow to hold down the velocity button, peck at the saw wave switch with nose to disable transpose sequence... etc)

Except your work style and work flow means absolutely nothing to my work style and work flow.

Exactly, that's what I meant...  A feature that's desirable to one person might be taking away from someone else, and vice versa... different people have different needs.  So from the synth designer perspective, how to figure out which are the "right" features to add?  (Assuming "right" means that which positively impacts more people than it negatively impacts)

wouldnt the feature I originally requested (the ability to make the choice with the foot pedal) satisfy both sides?
Title: Re: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: xoxo on September 23, 2021, 02:32:06 AM
Bug fix request
Even if MIDI Param Send is set to Off, the volume pot keeps sending cc messages.

So if you turn down the volume of the T5 to use the keys with a module, also the volume of the module is turned down...
Title: Re: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: Moho on September 23, 2021, 02:49:13 AM
Bug fix request
Even if MIDI Param Send is set to Off, the volume pot keeps sending cc messages.

So if you turn down the volume of the T5 to use the keys with a module, also the volume of the module is turned down...

+1 Really annoying
Title: Re: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: LPF83 on September 23, 2021, 04:29:37 AM
wouldnt the feature I originally requested (the ability to make the choice with the foot pedal) satisfy both sides?

Perhaps, it's not really for me to say though.  From someone with several Sequential synths, whenever the user interface for doing things for multiple products varies from product to product (use the pedal on this synth, hold record on another, hit a key on another) that in itself is not a workflow advantage.  And, if all of their products utilized pedal for this, it means in my set up I would need four pedals all side by side under my feet (since I have four synths stacked on top of each other), and that's not something I would look forward to either.
Title: Re: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: xoxo on September 23, 2021, 05:32:00 AM
wouldnt the feature I originally requested (the ability to make the choice with the foot pedal) satisfy both sides?

Perhaps, it's not really for me to say though.  From someone with several Sequential synths, whenever the user interface for doing things for multiple products varies from product to product (use the pedal on this synth, hold record on another, hit a key on another) that in itself is not a workflow advantage.  And, if all of their products utilized pedal for this, it means in my set up I would need four pedals all side by side under my feet (since I have four synths stacked on top of each other), and that's not something I would look forward to either.

i am talking about an option you could select if you want. like you already can start the arp with the foot switch - i don't even know if it would be possible to implement it on pure analog models - but on the T5 it should be easy. but maybe its already too much talk about this little request. its just wishful thinking from my side and the thread has the subject "Feature requests".
Title: Re: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: Autosynther on September 23, 2021, 11:10:32 AM
I watched BoBeats demo again and how he used Aux on Env 1.
So looked for ability to loop the envelope, to use as an extra LFO kind of unusual shape.
I use that on DeepMind and it is every useful with loop as trigger mode of envelope.

Or Sequential call it something else than loop, repeat etc that I looked for in manual.

And looking at REV2 and Prophet 8 some years ago, I really liked gated sequencer and thought if lacking that to use the step sequencer as source in a similar fashion, not sure if that is doable already?
- so while not in playback of notes, to have a control sequencer that is running with some division of tempo

Selfgenerating patches are cool creating surprises in between ...

check out a lesson on self generative on DeepMind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_p5JBAWUTs

this with just 8 slots and thinking T5 16 could extend this interestingly...
Title: Re: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: LoboLives on September 23, 2021, 12:24:51 PM
Of course all the above....
Far from the synth aspects I wish more functionality for the footswitch:
Transposing a sequence in combination with the rec button is ergonomically a bit difficult and sometimes leads to overwrite the existing sequence (if I hit the c key twice) and putting a chord in the unison mode while holding the unison button leads to very funny body gestures. It would really be great to have those functions on a foot pedal.

Unfortunately the sequencer transpose issue has been a problem since the P6. Only recently did they implement the ability to transpose the sequence on the P6 and OB6 although only if the patch is in Unison/Mono mode.

The REV2 and Prophet X are still, annoyingly stuck with having the hold the record button while transposing the sequence. There is likely no interest in changing this sadly. It would help immensely, especially on the Prophet X and REV 2 in split mode to be able to transpose the sequence with the left hand while you also play a different layer with your right hand.

Subtraction of one man's annoyance usually results in addition of another man's.  For example I sometimes record a sequence on the P6/OB6, and dump it into Cubase after I like the result.  Well without transpose being limited to holding Record, this means that for Unison/Mono patches I have to turn Unison off to prevent the DAW from transposing the sequence with each sequenced note that's played (since local on has to be enabled).  So yeah all of a sudden pitch goes ballistic. 

Its a small inconvenience but it does disrupt my workflow, and every little nuance like that means I have to put musical ideas in my mind on hold to deal with non-musical technical hurdles.  But I'd rather deal with impact to my own preferences than request yet another feature (i.e. while holding Preset and tapping out morse code on the program buttons and using the elbow to hold down the velocity button, peck at the saw wave switch with nose to disable transpose sequence... etc)

Except your work style and work flow means absolutely nothing to my work style and work flow.

Exactly, that's what I meant...  A feature that's desirable to one person might be taking away from someone else, and vice versa... different people have different needs.  So from the synth designer perspective, how to figure out which are the "right" features to add?  (Assuming "right" means that which positively impacts more people than it negatively impacts)

If simply clicking a single Unison button disrupts your musical flow that drastically then there's something terribly wrong here with your memory.
Title: Re: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: xoxo on September 23, 2021, 03:25:25 PM
Bug Fix Request:
If i accidentally transpose to the same root note, that is already set,
the sequencer stops and is in record mode.
Title: Re: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: Quatschmacher on September 24, 2021, 03:28:52 PM
Bug Fix Request:
If i accidentally transpose to the same root note, that is already set,
the sequencer stops and is in record mode.

Have you submitted this to sequential support? They donít always see stuff here.
Title: Re: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: xoxo on September 24, 2021, 05:14:07 PM
Bug Fix Request:
If i accidentally transpose to the same root note, that is already set,
the sequencer stops and is in record mode.

Have you submitted this to sequential support? They donít always see stuff here.
I did now... ;)
Title: Re: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: S. Righteous on September 26, 2021, 03:36:44 PM
"+1   Yeah, it would be great to see the OLED screen used for more value/parameter feedback. 

After being acclimated to all the other Sequential instruments with these screens, I had just assumed the T5 would have the same sort of UI functionality"

I am in full agreement here. When trying to learn how a preset does what it does, I like to see the parameter values in the screen, like almost every other Dave Smith synth. With all the mode buttons, there should be a way to compare in real time your changes to the original parameter. The Mopho X4 does that, and this is really a replacement for the Mopho X4.
Title: Re: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: Encephalitislethargi on September 28, 2021, 11:31:33 AM
I would really like to be able to Loop envelope 1. Everything else seems close to perfect at the moment. Just got it today but I am in love. Coming from a Rev2 to Peak to Take 5. Best sounding of the 3 by far, but least features
Title: Re: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: ronnie19@gmail.com on October 03, 2021, 01:17:07 PM
Bug Fix:

My Take Five is going out of tune completely after leaving idle for a few minutes. Having to auto calibrate (CAL VOICES) to fix it every time, which it does but makes it unplayable in a live settingÖ

Title: Re: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: xoxo on October 03, 2021, 01:29:46 PM
Bug Fix:

My Take Five is going out of tune completely after leaving idle for a few minutes. Having to auto calibrate (CAL VOICES) to fix it every time, which it does but makes it unplayable in a live settingÖ
I would contact support, doesn't sound like a bug - mine is stable since two weeks...
Title: Re: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: ronnie19@gmail.com on October 03, 2021, 01:53:10 PM
Bug Fix:

My Take Five is going out of tune completely after leaving idle for a few minutes. Having to auto calibrate (CAL VOICES) to fix it every time, which it does but makes it unplayable in a live settingÖ
I would contact support, doesn't sound like a bug - mine is stable since two weeks...

Wow, yes ive just done that-waiting for a response, thanks!
Title: Re: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: ronnie19@gmail.com on October 04, 2021, 10:41:06 AM
Bug Fix:

My Take Five is going out of tune completely after leaving idle for a few minutes. Having to auto calibrate (CAL VOICES) to fix it every time, which it does but makes it unplayable in a live settingÖ
I would contact support, doesn't sound like a bug - mine is stable since two weeks...

Wow, yes ive just done that-waiting for a response, thanks!

update, its all sorted thanks to helpful Sequential support; had to do with initial calibrations for my room temp; not a firmware or even hardware issue - works fine now... Love this synth!
Title: Re: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: Pym on October 04, 2021, 07:14:10 PM
This is something we talk about a lot internally. The interface wasn't designed around this in this case. For every person who says 'man it'd be great to see what value I'm at' we have somebody else saying 'I'm SO glad I don't have to use my eyes!' It's all context dependent and surprisingly hard design problems to implement well. I'll keep thinking about options

"+1   Yeah, it would be great to see the OLED screen used for more value/parameter feedback. 

After being acclimated to all the other Sequential instruments with these screens, I had just assumed the T5 would have the same sort of UI functionality"

I am in full agreement here. When trying to learn how a preset does what it does, I like to see the parameter values in the screen, like almost every other Dave Smith synth. With all the mode buttons, there should be a way to compare in real time your changes to the original parameter. The Mopho X4 does that, and this is really a replacement for the Mopho X4.
Title: Re: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: Moho on October 05, 2021, 03:44:40 AM
This is something we talk about a lot internally. The interface wasn't designed around this in this case. For every person who says 'man it'd be great to see what value I'm at' we have somebody else saying 'I'm SO glad I don't have to use my eyes!' It's all context dependent and surprisingly hard design problems to implement well. I'll keep thinking about options

"+1   Yeah, it would be great to see the OLED screen used for more value/parameter feedback. 

After being acclimated to all the other Sequential instruments with these screens, I had just assumed the T5 would have the same sort of UI functionality"

I am in full agreement here. When trying to learn how a preset does what it does, I like to see the parameter values in the screen, like almost every other Dave Smith synth. With all the mode buttons, there should be a way to compare in real time your changes to the original parameter. The Mopho X4 does that, and this is really a replacement for the Mopho X4.

The only values that would be useful to see are the tempo synced ones from the lfo's and fx.
I have some patches that rely on the interplay between them but if I want to speed them up or slow them down together its a real pita and would so simple if I could see the values.

For all other values ears are good enough.
Title: Re: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: Autosynther on October 05, 2021, 04:29:16 AM
To have a marker when you pass the stored value when turning knob is really good.
The preset you just loaded and want to continue work on that helps a lot, IMO.
Maybe just an asterisk '*' or something lit when spot on.

Prologue does this nicely with both arrows which way to go and asterisk when spot on what is stored. Prologue show values too, but main thing is to set up ADSR's or other knobs as preset loaded.
Title: Re: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: LoboLives on October 05, 2021, 07:23:35 AM
@Pym

Would a 10 voice paraphonic mode be possible?
Title: Re: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: Thetreehopper on October 06, 2021, 01:18:46 PM
Greetings,

Iím loving my Take 5! Great work Sequential.
Excellent feature suggestions all around everybody.
I guess itís too late for a name change  ;), so my big two are:

1.) to be able to use those 16 lower bank buttons in a step sequencer mode to make the sequencer more hands-on and editable like the Pro 3 or some of the Korg synths. Would also need to reassign a button to switch between 1-16, 17-32, 33-48, 49-64, etc.
That would be just unreal.
It almost seems like it was made for it.

2.) it would be really fun to have an optional oscilloscope display mode. I always appreciated the wave form visualization on my Korg. It adds another fun dimension to synthesis.

Cheers : )

Title: Re: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: creativespiral on October 07, 2021, 10:01:57 AM
This is something we talk about a lot internally. The interface wasn't designed around this in this case. For every person who says 'man it'd be great to see what value I'm at' we have somebody else saying 'I'm SO glad I don't have to use my eyes!' It's all context dependent and surprisingly hard design problems to implement well. I'll keep thinking about options

"+1   Yeah, it would be great to see the OLED screen used for more value/parameter feedback. 

After being acclimated to all the other Sequential instruments with these screens, I had just assumed the T5 would have the same sort of UI functionality"

I am in full agreement here. When trying to learn how a preset does what it does, I like to see the parameter values in the screen, like almost every other Dave Smith synth. With all the mode buttons, there should be a way to compare in real time your changes to the original parameter. The Mopho X4 does that, and this is really a replacement for the Mopho X4.

Those who say they don't want to see values can always just ignore the values... to me, that's a red herring argument / non issue...  If you're intent on "ears only", that's fine -- having values on the screen does not prevent that at all.  I constantly switch back and forth between "ears only" and "ears and eyes together". 

There's a lot of value in having visual feedback as well.  Having numeric values allows for more precision and technical sound design tricks.  Also, its valuable when you return to a patch in a new session and want to edit it further, to be able to have some indication/comparison of where you were before on knobs.   

This is a case where more is more.   You don't have to use visual cues if you don't want, but having them available further improves capabilities, and speeds up sound design... which results in more fun, and less tweaking. 

I understand and appreciate that the implementation may not be trivial.   There definitely are enough pixels in the OLED though.  Even if values are small (7px text), or just appear as temp popups, they would be nice to have.   And an asterisk or other marker, like @Autosynther mentioned. 

Title: Re: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: Pym on October 07, 2021, 11:43:08 AM
Yeah I understand why you see if that way, but it isn't always the case... as a pianist of over 30 years I appreciate the fact that my piano does NOT have a screen. If it has a screen even just seeing that while I'm playing is a distraction. It pulls my mind away from performance. Yes I can train myself to push those thoughts back but it takes effort, which is the opposite of what I want to do when I'm performing. Everybody is different, we have different triggers and get sucked into rabbit holes from various stimuli. That's why this is a very complex design problem, it looks simple from one perspective but when you try and think about it from 100 or 1000 different perspectives things blur quite a bit

Our eyes are hardwired from our biology to over-react to movement in the peripheral vision. So if I see something moving (a param value on the screen) my BIOLOGY tells me it is important. That's a very hard thing to reconcile with, so we need to be careful. Not everyone is capable of controlling their habits the way you are, and we try to gently guide them toward new ways of doing things.

Not easy!

This is something we talk about a lot internally. The interface wasn't designed around this in this case. For every person who says 'man it'd be great to see what value I'm at' we have somebody else saying 'I'm SO glad I don't have to use my eyes!' It's all context dependent and surprisingly hard design problems to implement well. I'll keep thinking about options

"+1   Yeah, it would be great to see the OLED screen used for more value/parameter feedback. 

After being acclimated to all the other Sequential instruments with these screens, I had just assumed the T5 would have the same sort of UI functionality"

I am in full agreement here. When trying to learn how a preset does what it does, I like to see the parameter values in the screen, like almost every other Dave Smith synth. With all the mode buttons, there should be a way to compare in real time your changes to the original parameter. The Mopho X4 does that, and this is really a replacement for the Mopho X4.

Those who say they don't want to see values can always just ignore the values... to me, that's a red herring argument / non issue...  If you're intent on "ears only", that's fine -- having values on the screen does not prevent that at all.  I constantly switch back and forth between "ears only" and "ears and eyes together". 

There's a lot of value in having visual feedback as well.  Having numeric values allows for more precision and technical sound design tricks.  Also, its valuable when you return to a patch in a new session and want to edit it further, to be able to have some indication/comparison of where you were before on knobs.   

This is a case where more is more.   You don't have to use visual cues if you don't want, but having them available further improves capabilities, and speeds up sound design... which results in more fun, and less tweaking. 

I understand and appreciate that the implementation may not be trivial.   There definitely are enough pixels in the OLED though.  Even if values are small (7px text), or just appear as temp popups, they would be nice to have.   And an asterisk or other marker, like @Autosynther mentioned.
Title: Re: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: xoxo on October 07, 2021, 12:32:58 PM
I understand both sides - it could be useful for sound design and distracting for performance.
but all of those features some people like and some people don't like could be also sit optional in the program menu....

Yeah I understand why you see if that way, but it isn't always the case... as a pianist of over 30 years I appreciate the fact that my piano does NOT have a screen. If it has a screen even just seeing that while I'm playing is a distraction. It pulls my mind away from performance. Yes I can train myself to push those thoughts back but it takes effort, which is the opposite of what I want to do when I'm performing. Everybody is different, we have different triggers and get sucked into rabbit holes from various stimuli. That's why this is a very complex design problem, it looks simple from one perspective but when you try and think about it from 100 or 1000 different perspectives things blur quite a bit

Our eyes are hardwired from our biology to over-react to movement in the peripheral vision. So if I see something moving (a param value on the screen) my BIOLOGY tells me it is important. That's a very hard thing to reconcile with, so we need to be careful. Not everyone is capable of controlling their habits the way you are, and we try to gently guide them toward new ways of doing things.

Not easy!


Title: Re: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: Pym on October 07, 2021, 02:09:29 PM
Yep, sometimes that works. Unfortunately the very nature of it being a hidden feature means it won't be used as much and add complication to the user experience, so we normally like to err on the side of just picking a direction and sticking with it. That design philosophy may change in the future and some instruments lend themselves more to hidden UI changes, like the Tempest or Pro3, but the ones where we focus on simplicity need more care to add things like that.

We'll keep thinking about it!

I understand both sides - it could be useful for sound design and distracting for performance.
but all of those features some people like and some people don't like could be also sit optional in the program menu....

Yeah I understand why you see if that way, but it isn't always the case... as a pianist of over 30 years I appreciate the fact that my piano does NOT have a screen. If it has a screen even just seeing that while I'm playing is a distraction. It pulls my mind away from performance. Yes I can train myself to push those thoughts back but it takes effort, which is the opposite of what I want to do when I'm performing. Everybody is different, we have different triggers and get sucked into rabbit holes from various stimuli. That's why this is a very complex design problem, it looks simple from one perspective but when you try and think about it from 100 or 1000 different perspectives things blur quite a bit

Our eyes are hardwired from our biology to over-react to movement in the peripheral vision. So if I see something moving (a param value on the screen) my BIOLOGY tells me it is important. That's a very hard thing to reconcile with, so we need to be careful. Not everyone is capable of controlling their habits the way you are, and we try to gently guide them toward new ways of doing things.

Not easy!


Title: Re: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: LoboLives on October 07, 2021, 06:17:12 PM
Yep, sometimes that works. Unfortunately the very nature of it being a hidden feature means it won't be used as much and add complication to the user experience, so we normally like to err on the side of just picking a direction and sticking with it. That design philosophy may change in the future and some instruments lend themselves more to hidden UI changes, like the Tempest or Pro3, but the ones where we focus on simplicity need more care to add things like that.

We'll keep thinking about it!

I understand both sides - it could be useful for sound design and distracting for performance.
but all of those features some people like and some people don't like could be also sit optional in the program menu....

Yeah I understand why you see if that way, but it isn't always the case... as a pianist of over 30 years I appreciate the fact that my piano does NOT have a screen. If it has a screen even just seeing that while I'm playing is a distraction. It pulls my mind away from performance. Yes I can train myself to push those thoughts back but it takes effort, which is the opposite of what I want to do when I'm performing. Everybody is different, we have different triggers and get sucked into rabbit holes from various stimuli. That's why this is a very complex design problem, it looks simple from one perspective but when you try and think about it from 100 or 1000 different perspectives things blur quite a bit

Our eyes are hardwired from our biology to over-react to movement in the peripheral vision. So if I see something moving (a param value on the screen) my BIOLOGY tells me it is important. That's a very hard thing to reconcile with, so we need to be careful. Not everyone is capable of controlling their habits the way you are, and we try to gently guide them toward new ways of doing things.

Not easy!



Would 10 voice paraphonic mode be an issue because of this?
Title: Re: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: synthboy on October 09, 2021, 08:48:39 AM
After some weeks of use my two top requests are:

- More banks for patch storage (seriously, please, why this restriction in 2021?)
- Value/parameter feedback in display (a visual feedback is great for finding sweet spots and remember settings)
Title: Re: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: Synthet on October 11, 2021, 09:03:36 AM
It would be great if the envelopes retriggered while using the sustain pedal. On the OB-6 and Prophet 6 you can activate this via Key Mode, and it works like a charm.
Title: Re: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: magikroom on October 11, 2021, 11:07:09 PM
I'd like to see the ability to transpose for each patch in semitones.
Title: Re: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: Encephalitislethargi on October 15, 2021, 02:58:53 AM
I hear that linear/Thru Zero Fm was added to the Pro 2 in a firmware update & someone from sequential mentioned that it would potentially be possible to add it to the Pro 3. I think it would be amazing to have that type of capability here.

I would also like to see a desktop version that fits in a Gator Bag & the addition of the pro3 dco/wavetable osc so I can modulate the Modulator (vco2) with a wavetable osc
Title: Re: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: Elazul451 on October 17, 2021, 06:07:19 AM
Just joined up to chime in - it would be great if we could get a one-shot (non-looping) mode for the LFOs. Then LFO 2 would basically be usable as a 3rd envelope which would be absolutely incredible!
Title: Re: Take 5 Firmware Update - Feature Requests
Post by: Encephalitislethargi on October 18, 2021, 03:59:58 AM
I absolutely love this synth but I canít help but think that I would spend an extra $1000 if i could get a straight up poly version of the pro 3 with the filters, sequencer, same screen and displays, envelope 3 (looping), more lfos, wavetable osc, whatever else it has, and in a desktop version

This synth is the best synth Iíve ever touched but a poly pro 3 would be mind blowing. Best synth ever material