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SEQUENTIAL/DSI => Take 5 => Topic started by: creativespiral on August 24, 2021, 09:49:03 AM
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Post Your Firmware Update / Feature Requests here.
Only firmware related feature requests.
1. Allow for more User Patches. 128 is very low for today's day and age. Hoping this is not really a memory limitation, as the hardware cost would be pennies for a few hundred kb more patch space. If at all possible, please make a way to switch to alternate banks of patches (even if it requires a menu dive to get to U2,U3,U4) and give us 512 or so user slots.
2. Add Per-Key Voice Allocation option in Globals (or even better, per patch), along with the default Round Robin. Since the core sound architecture is very similar to P5, this would be a great addition to dial in more classic/vintage Prophet 5 character. It seems the fw algorithms have already been designed for r4.. If they can be ported over to Take 5, it would be awesome. It really makes sense for a five voice synth like this, and its especially pertinent / pronounced once you start introducing vintage knob voice offsets. This would be really great for expanding upon the character options for this synth.
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I’m duplicating this here as it’s probably more of a request as I don’t think it’s currently a feature:
Hey Carson and Pym, one thing that I was wondering about, if low split is enabled does that have any effect upon the voice stealing behaviour?
I was thinking that it would be cool if engaging low split inhibited the synth from stealing any held note in the lower portion. I imagine the most common use for low split would be single bass notes with 4-note chords in the upper section so it would be nice if a held bass note were given some priority in voice allocation when changing chords in the upper section.
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When clock syncing a delay or LFO, it would be nice to see the time division on the screen as you twist the knob.
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+1 Yeah, it would be great to see the OLED screen used for more value/parameter feedback.
After being acclimated to all the other Sequential instruments with these screens, I had just assumed the T5 would have the same sort of UI functionality... definitely seems like a bit of a missed opportunity currently. Having feedback on exact values of knob turns is very valuable to doing more complex sound designs.. and also for editing existing patches with a point of comparison.
Hoping this will come in a future OS updates, as it will increase usability and speed up the sound design process.
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For me, more presets and some more functionality on the sequencer would be nice. Another small thing and, it may likely be just me, but it’d be great to temporarily see the values on the screen of the knobs you are turning.
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For me, more presets and some more functionality on the sequencer would be nice. Another small thing and, it may likely be just me, but it’d be great to temporarily see the values on the screen of the knobs you are turning.
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Prologue has a nice touch on values of knobs - it also shows arrows and a star when at the stored value of the preset. So you can dial in on panel what the stored preset has when continue on one intermediate save you did.
Yes, minimum would be to make factory presets overwritable too, to make 256 presets overall.
My former KingKorg had a setting to remove protect of factory presets, and Prologue had it by default overwritable.
You cannot start fiddling with sysex stuff and various library manager so soon as at 128.
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If factory presets are bound to be overwritten by firmware updates, I would take that, if I can just sysex dump that before update, and then sysex restore.
Those extra 128 slots are really worth it.
Or if there would be a swap feature - 128 factory and 128 user preset memory - and use the ordinary sysex features.
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10 voice paraphonic mode. Bypassing the multiple filters and allowing for some nice string machine style sounds.
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When clock syncing a delay or LFO, it would be nice to see the time division on the screen as you twist the knob.
+1
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Of course all the above....
Far from the synth aspects I wish more functionality for the footswitch:
Transposing a sequence in combination with the rec button is ergonomically a bit difficult and sometimes leads to overwrite the existing sequence (if I hit the c key twice) and putting a chord in the unison mode while holding the unison button leads to very funny body gestures. It would really be great to have those functions on a foot pedal.
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Of course all the above....
Far from the synth aspects I wish more functionality for the footswitch:
Transposing a sequence in combination with the rec button is ergonomically a bit difficult and sometimes leads to overwrite the existing sequence (if I hit the c key twice) and putting a chord in the unison mode while holding the unison button leads to very funny body gestures. It would really be great to have those functions on a foot pedal.
Unfortunately the sequencer transpose issue has been a problem since the P6. Only recently did they implement the ability to transpose the sequence on the P6 and OB6 although only if the patch is in Unison/Mono mode.
The REV2 and Prophet X are still, annoyingly stuck with having the hold the record button while transposing the sequence. There is likely no interest in changing this sadly. It would help immensely, especially on the Prophet X and REV 2 in split mode to be able to transpose the sequence with the left hand while you also play a different layer with your right hand.
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Of course all the above....
Far from the synth aspects I wish more functionality for the footswitch:
Transposing a sequence in combination with the rec button is ergonomically a bit difficult and sometimes leads to overwrite the existing sequence (if I hit the c key twice) and putting a chord in the unison mode while holding the unison button leads to very funny body gestures. It would really be great to have those functions on a foot pedal.
Unfortunately the sequencer transpose issue has been a problem since the P6. Only recently did they implement the ability to transpose the sequence on the P6 and OB6 although only if the patch is in Unison/Mono mode.
The REV2 and Prophet X are still, annoyingly stuck with having the hold the record button while transposing the sequence. There is likely no interest in changing this sadly. It would help immensely, especially on the Prophet X and REV 2 in split mode to be able to transpose the sequence with the left hand while you also play a different layer with your right hand.
Subtraction of one man's annoyance usually results in addition of another man's. For example I sometimes record a sequence on the P6/OB6, and dump it into Cubase after I like the result. Well without transpose being limited to holding Record, this means that for Unison/Mono patches I have to turn Unison off to prevent the DAW from transposing the sequence with each sequenced note that's played (since local on has to be enabled). So yeah all of a sudden pitch goes ballistic.
Its a small inconvenience but it does disrupt my workflow, and every little nuance like that means I have to put musical ideas in my mind on hold to deal with non-musical technical hurdles. But I'd rather deal with impact to my own preferences than request yet another feature (i.e. while holding Preset and tapping out morse code on the program buttons and using the elbow to hold down the velocity button, peck at the saw wave switch with nose to disable transpose sequence... etc)
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Of course all the above....
Far from the synth aspects I wish more functionality for the footswitch:
Transposing a sequence in combination with the rec button is ergonomically a bit difficult and sometimes leads to overwrite the existing sequence (if I hit the c key twice) and putting a chord in the unison mode while holding the unison button leads to very funny body gestures. It would really be great to have those functions on a foot pedal.
Unfortunately the sequencer transpose issue has been a problem since the P6. Only recently did they implement the ability to transpose the sequence on the P6 and OB6 although only if the patch is in Unison/Mono mode.
The REV2 and Prophet X are still, annoyingly stuck with having the hold the record button while transposing the sequence. There is likely no interest in changing this sadly. It would help immensely, especially on the Prophet X and REV 2 in split mode to be able to transpose the sequence with the left hand while you also play a different layer with your right hand.
Subtraction of one man's annoyance usually results in addition of another man's. For example I sometimes record a sequence on the P6/OB6, and dump it into Cubase after I like the result. Well without transpose being limited to holding Record, this means that for Unison/Mono patches I have to turn Unison off to prevent the DAW from transposing the sequence with each sequenced note that's played (since local on has to be enabled). So yeah all of a sudden pitch goes ballistic.
Its a small inconvenience but it does disrupt my workflow, and every little nuance like that means I have to put musical ideas in my mind on hold to deal with non-musical technical hurdles. But I'd rather deal with impact to my own preferences than request yet another feature (i.e. while holding Preset and tapping out morse code on the program buttons and using the elbow to hold down the velocity button, peck at the saw wave switch with nose to disable transpose sequence... etc)
Except your work style and work flow means absolutely nothing to my work style and work flow.
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Of course all the above....
Far from the synth aspects I wish more functionality for the footswitch:
Transposing a sequence in combination with the rec button is ergonomically a bit difficult and sometimes leads to overwrite the existing sequence (if I hit the c key twice) and putting a chord in the unison mode while holding the unison button leads to very funny body gestures. It would really be great to have those functions on a foot pedal.
Unfortunately the sequencer transpose issue has been a problem since the P6. Only recently did they implement the ability to transpose the sequence on the P6 and OB6 although only if the patch is in Unison/Mono mode.
The REV2 and Prophet X are still, annoyingly stuck with having the hold the record button while transposing the sequence. There is likely no interest in changing this sadly. It would help immensely, especially on the Prophet X and REV 2 in split mode to be able to transpose the sequence with the left hand while you also play a different layer with your right hand.
Subtraction of one man's annoyance usually results in addition of another man's. For example I sometimes record a sequence on the P6/OB6, and dump it into Cubase after I like the result. Well without transpose being limited to holding Record, this means that for Unison/Mono patches I have to turn Unison off to prevent the DAW from transposing the sequence with each sequenced note that's played (since local on has to be enabled). So yeah all of a sudden pitch goes ballistic.
Its a small inconvenience but it does disrupt my workflow, and every little nuance like that means I have to put musical ideas in my mind on hold to deal with non-musical technical hurdles. But I'd rather deal with impact to my own preferences than request yet another feature (i.e. while holding Preset and tapping out morse code on the program buttons and using the elbow to hold down the velocity button, peck at the saw wave switch with nose to disable transpose sequence... etc)
Except your work style and work flow means absolutely nothing to my work style and work flow.
Exactly, that's what I meant... A feature that's desirable to one person might be taking away from someone else, and vice versa... different people have different needs. So from the synth designer perspective, how to figure out which are the "right" features to add? (Assuming "right" means that which positively impacts more people than it negatively impacts)
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Of course all the above....
Far from the synth aspects I wish more functionality for the footswitch:
Transposing a sequence in combination with the rec button is ergonomically a bit difficult and sometimes leads to overwrite the existing sequence (if I hit the c key twice) and putting a chord in the unison mode while holding the unison button leads to very funny body gestures. It would really be great to have those functions on a foot pedal.
Unfortunately the sequencer transpose issue has been a problem since the P6. Only recently did they implement the ability to transpose the sequence on the P6 and OB6 although only if the patch is in Unison/Mono mode.
The REV2 and Prophet X are still, annoyingly stuck with having the hold the record button while transposing the sequence. There is likely no interest in changing this sadly. It would help immensely, especially on the Prophet X and REV 2 in split mode to be able to transpose the sequence with the left hand while you also play a different layer with your right hand.
Subtraction of one man's annoyance usually results in addition of another man's. For example I sometimes record a sequence on the P6/OB6, and dump it into Cubase after I like the result. Well without transpose being limited to holding Record, this means that for Unison/Mono patches I have to turn Unison off to prevent the DAW from transposing the sequence with each sequenced note that's played (since local on has to be enabled). So yeah all of a sudden pitch goes ballistic.
Its a small inconvenience but it does disrupt my workflow, and every little nuance like that means I have to put musical ideas in my mind on hold to deal with non-musical technical hurdles. But I'd rather deal with impact to my own preferences than request yet another feature (i.e. while holding Preset and tapping out morse code on the program buttons and using the elbow to hold down the velocity button, peck at the saw wave switch with nose to disable transpose sequence... etc)
Except your work style and work flow means absolutely nothing to my work style and work flow.
Exactly, that's what I meant... A feature that's desirable to one person might be taking away from someone else, and vice versa... different people have different needs. So from the synth designer perspective, how to figure out which are the "right" features to add? (Assuming "right" means that which positively impacts more people than it negatively impacts)
wouldnt the feature I originally requested (the ability to make the choice with the foot pedal) satisfy both sides?
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Bug fix request
Even if MIDI Param Send is set to Off, the volume pot keeps sending cc messages.
So if you turn down the volume of the T5 to use the keys with a module, also the volume of the module is turned down...
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Bug fix request
Even if MIDI Param Send is set to Off, the volume pot keeps sending cc messages.
So if you turn down the volume of the T5 to use the keys with a module, also the volume of the module is turned down...
+1 Really annoying
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wouldnt the feature I originally requested (the ability to make the choice with the foot pedal) satisfy both sides?
Perhaps, it's not really for me to say though. From someone with several Sequential synths, whenever the user interface for doing things for multiple products varies from product to product (use the pedal on this synth, hold record on another, hit a key on another) that in itself is not a workflow advantage. And, if all of their products utilized pedal for this, it means in my set up I would need four pedals all side by side under my feet (since I have four synths stacked on top of each other), and that's not something I would look forward to either.
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wouldnt the feature I originally requested (the ability to make the choice with the foot pedal) satisfy both sides?
Perhaps, it's not really for me to say though. From someone with several Sequential synths, whenever the user interface for doing things for multiple products varies from product to product (use the pedal on this synth, hold record on another, hit a key on another) that in itself is not a workflow advantage. And, if all of their products utilized pedal for this, it means in my set up I would need four pedals all side by side under my feet (since I have four synths stacked on top of each other), and that's not something I would look forward to either.
i am talking about an option you could select if you want. like you already can start the arp with the foot switch - i don't even know if it would be possible to implement it on pure analog models - but on the T5 it should be easy. but maybe its already too much talk about this little request. its just wishful thinking from my side and the thread has the subject "Feature requests".
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I watched BoBeats demo again and how he used Aux on Env 1.
So looked for ability to loop the envelope, to use as an extra LFO kind of unusual shape.
I use that on DeepMind and it is every useful with loop as trigger mode of envelope.
Or Sequential call it something else than loop, repeat etc that I looked for in manual.
And looking at REV2 and Prophet 8 some years ago, I really liked gated sequencer and thought if lacking that to use the step sequencer as source in a similar fashion, not sure if that is doable already?
- so while not in playback of notes, to have a control sequencer that is running with some division of tempo
Selfgenerating patches are cool creating surprises in between ...
check out a lesson on self generative on DeepMind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_p5JBAWUTs
this with just 8 slots and thinking T5 16 could extend this interestingly...
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Of course all the above....
Far from the synth aspects I wish more functionality for the footswitch:
Transposing a sequence in combination with the rec button is ergonomically a bit difficult and sometimes leads to overwrite the existing sequence (if I hit the c key twice) and putting a chord in the unison mode while holding the unison button leads to very funny body gestures. It would really be great to have those functions on a foot pedal.
Unfortunately the sequencer transpose issue has been a problem since the P6. Only recently did they implement the ability to transpose the sequence on the P6 and OB6 although only if the patch is in Unison/Mono mode.
The REV2 and Prophet X are still, annoyingly stuck with having the hold the record button while transposing the sequence. There is likely no interest in changing this sadly. It would help immensely, especially on the Prophet X and REV 2 in split mode to be able to transpose the sequence with the left hand while you also play a different layer with your right hand.
Subtraction of one man's annoyance usually results in addition of another man's. For example I sometimes record a sequence on the P6/OB6, and dump it into Cubase after I like the result. Well without transpose being limited to holding Record, this means that for Unison/Mono patches I have to turn Unison off to prevent the DAW from transposing the sequence with each sequenced note that's played (since local on has to be enabled). So yeah all of a sudden pitch goes ballistic.
Its a small inconvenience but it does disrupt my workflow, and every little nuance like that means I have to put musical ideas in my mind on hold to deal with non-musical technical hurdles. But I'd rather deal with impact to my own preferences than request yet another feature (i.e. while holding Preset and tapping out morse code on the program buttons and using the elbow to hold down the velocity button, peck at the saw wave switch with nose to disable transpose sequence... etc)
Except your work style and work flow means absolutely nothing to my work style and work flow.
Exactly, that's what I meant... A feature that's desirable to one person might be taking away from someone else, and vice versa... different people have different needs. So from the synth designer perspective, how to figure out which are the "right" features to add? (Assuming "right" means that which positively impacts more people than it negatively impacts)
If simply clicking a single Unison button disrupts your musical flow that drastically then there's something terribly wrong here with your memory.
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Bug Fix Request:
If i accidentally transpose to the same root note, that is already set,
the sequencer stops and is in record mode.
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Bug Fix Request:
If i accidentally transpose to the same root note, that is already set,
the sequencer stops and is in record mode.
Have you submitted this to sequential support? They don’t always see stuff here.
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Bug Fix Request:
If i accidentally transpose to the same root note, that is already set,
the sequencer stops and is in record mode.
Have you submitted this to sequential support? They don’t always see stuff here.
I did now... ;)
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"+1 Yeah, it would be great to see the OLED screen used for more value/parameter feedback.
After being acclimated to all the other Sequential instruments with these screens, I had just assumed the T5 would have the same sort of UI functionality"
I am in full agreement here. When trying to learn how a preset does what it does, I like to see the parameter values in the screen, like almost every other Dave Smith synth. With all the mode buttons, there should be a way to compare in real time your changes to the original parameter. The Mopho X4 does that, and this is really a replacement for the Mopho X4.
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I would really like to be able to Loop envelope 1. Everything else seems close to perfect at the moment. Just got it today but I am in love. Coming from a Rev2 to Peak to Take 5. Best sounding of the 3 by far, but least features
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Bug Fix:
My Take Five is going out of tune completely after leaving idle for a few minutes. Having to auto calibrate (CAL VOICES) to fix it every time, which it does but makes it unplayable in a live setting…
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Bug Fix:
My Take Five is going out of tune completely after leaving idle for a few minutes. Having to auto calibrate (CAL VOICES) to fix it every time, which it does but makes it unplayable in a live setting…
I would contact support, doesn't sound like a bug - mine is stable since two weeks...
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Bug Fix:
My Take Five is going out of tune completely after leaving idle for a few minutes. Having to auto calibrate (CAL VOICES) to fix it every time, which it does but makes it unplayable in a live setting…
I would contact support, doesn't sound like a bug - mine is stable since two weeks...
Wow, yes ive just done that-waiting for a response, thanks!
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Bug Fix:
My Take Five is going out of tune completely after leaving idle for a few minutes. Having to auto calibrate (CAL VOICES) to fix it every time, which it does but makes it unplayable in a live setting…
I would contact support, doesn't sound like a bug - mine is stable since two weeks...
Wow, yes ive just done that-waiting for a response, thanks!
update, its all sorted thanks to helpful Sequential support; had to do with initial calibrations for my room temp; not a firmware or even hardware issue - works fine now... Love this synth!
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This is something we talk about a lot internally. The interface wasn't designed around this in this case. For every person who says 'man it'd be great to see what value I'm at' we have somebody else saying 'I'm SO glad I don't have to use my eyes!' It's all context dependent and surprisingly hard design problems to implement well. I'll keep thinking about options
"+1 Yeah, it would be great to see the OLED screen used for more value/parameter feedback.
After being acclimated to all the other Sequential instruments with these screens, I had just assumed the T5 would have the same sort of UI functionality"
I am in full agreement here. When trying to learn how a preset does what it does, I like to see the parameter values in the screen, like almost every other Dave Smith synth. With all the mode buttons, there should be a way to compare in real time your changes to the original parameter. The Mopho X4 does that, and this is really a replacement for the Mopho X4.
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This is something we talk about a lot internally. The interface wasn't designed around this in this case. For every person who says 'man it'd be great to see what value I'm at' we have somebody else saying 'I'm SO glad I don't have to use my eyes!' It's all context dependent and surprisingly hard design problems to implement well. I'll keep thinking about options
"+1 Yeah, it would be great to see the OLED screen used for more value/parameter feedback.
After being acclimated to all the other Sequential instruments with these screens, I had just assumed the T5 would have the same sort of UI functionality"
I am in full agreement here. When trying to learn how a preset does what it does, I like to see the parameter values in the screen, like almost every other Dave Smith synth. With all the mode buttons, there should be a way to compare in real time your changes to the original parameter. The Mopho X4 does that, and this is really a replacement for the Mopho X4.
The only values that would be useful to see are the tempo synced ones from the lfo's and fx.
I have some patches that rely on the interplay between them but if I want to speed them up or slow them down together its a real pita and would so simple if I could see the values.
For all other values ears are good enough.
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To have a marker when you pass the stored value when turning knob is really good.
The preset you just loaded and want to continue work on that helps a lot, IMO.
Maybe just an asterisk '*' or something lit when spot on.
Prologue does this nicely with both arrows which way to go and asterisk when spot on what is stored. Prologue show values too, but main thing is to set up ADSR's or other knobs as preset loaded.
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@Pym
Would a 10 voice paraphonic mode be possible?
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Greetings,
I’m loving my Take 5! Great work Sequential.
Excellent feature suggestions all around everybody.
I guess it’s too late for a name change ;), so my big two are:
1.) to be able to use those 16 lower bank buttons in a step sequencer mode to make the sequencer more hands-on and editable like the Pro 3 or some of the Korg synths. Would also need to reassign a button to switch between 1-16, 17-32, 33-48, 49-64, etc.
That would be just unreal.
It almost seems like it was made for it.
2.) it would be really fun to have an optional oscilloscope display mode. I always appreciated the wave form visualization on my Korg. It adds another fun dimension to synthesis.
Cheers : )
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This is something we talk about a lot internally. The interface wasn't designed around this in this case. For every person who says 'man it'd be great to see what value I'm at' we have somebody else saying 'I'm SO glad I don't have to use my eyes!' It's all context dependent and surprisingly hard design problems to implement well. I'll keep thinking about options
"+1 Yeah, it would be great to see the OLED screen used for more value/parameter feedback.
After being acclimated to all the other Sequential instruments with these screens, I had just assumed the T5 would have the same sort of UI functionality"
I am in full agreement here. When trying to learn how a preset does what it does, I like to see the parameter values in the screen, like almost every other Dave Smith synth. With all the mode buttons, there should be a way to compare in real time your changes to the original parameter. The Mopho X4 does that, and this is really a replacement for the Mopho X4.
Those who say they don't want to see values can always just ignore the values... to me, that's a red herring argument / non issue... If you're intent on "ears only", that's fine -- having values on the screen does not prevent that at all. I constantly switch back and forth between "ears only" and "ears and eyes together".
There's a lot of value in having visual feedback as well. Having numeric values allows for more precision and technical sound design tricks. Also, its valuable when you return to a patch in a new session and want to edit it further, to be able to have some indication/comparison of where you were before on knobs.
This is a case where more is more. You don't have to use visual cues if you don't want, but having them available further improves capabilities, and speeds up sound design... which results in more fun, and less tweaking.
I understand and appreciate that the implementation may not be trivial. There definitely are enough pixels in the OLED though. Even if values are small (7px text), or just appear as temp popups, they would be nice to have. And an asterisk or other marker, like @Autosynther mentioned.
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Yeah I understand why you see if that way, but it isn't always the case... as a pianist of over 30 years I appreciate the fact that my piano does NOT have a screen. If it has a screen even just seeing that while I'm playing is a distraction. It pulls my mind away from performance. Yes I can train myself to push those thoughts back but it takes effort, which is the opposite of what I want to do when I'm performing. Everybody is different, we have different triggers and get sucked into rabbit holes from various stimuli. That's why this is a very complex design problem, it looks simple from one perspective but when you try and think about it from 100 or 1000 different perspectives things blur quite a bit
Our eyes are hardwired from our biology to over-react to movement in the peripheral vision. So if I see something moving (a param value on the screen) my BIOLOGY tells me it is important. That's a very hard thing to reconcile with, so we need to be careful. Not everyone is capable of controlling their habits the way you are, and we try to gently guide them toward new ways of doing things.
Not easy!
This is something we talk about a lot internally. The interface wasn't designed around this in this case. For every person who says 'man it'd be great to see what value I'm at' we have somebody else saying 'I'm SO glad I don't have to use my eyes!' It's all context dependent and surprisingly hard design problems to implement well. I'll keep thinking about options
"+1 Yeah, it would be great to see the OLED screen used for more value/parameter feedback.
After being acclimated to all the other Sequential instruments with these screens, I had just assumed the T5 would have the same sort of UI functionality"
I am in full agreement here. When trying to learn how a preset does what it does, I like to see the parameter values in the screen, like almost every other Dave Smith synth. With all the mode buttons, there should be a way to compare in real time your changes to the original parameter. The Mopho X4 does that, and this is really a replacement for the Mopho X4.
Those who say they don't want to see values can always just ignore the values... to me, that's a red herring argument / non issue... If you're intent on "ears only", that's fine -- having values on the screen does not prevent that at all. I constantly switch back and forth between "ears only" and "ears and eyes together".
There's a lot of value in having visual feedback as well. Having numeric values allows for more precision and technical sound design tricks. Also, its valuable when you return to a patch in a new session and want to edit it further, to be able to have some indication/comparison of where you were before on knobs.
This is a case where more is more. You don't have to use visual cues if you don't want, but having them available further improves capabilities, and speeds up sound design... which results in more fun, and less tweaking.
I understand and appreciate that the implementation may not be trivial. There definitely are enough pixels in the OLED though. Even if values are small (7px text), or just appear as temp popups, they would be nice to have. And an asterisk or other marker, like @Autosynther mentioned.
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I understand both sides - it could be useful for sound design and distracting for performance.
but all of those features some people like and some people don't like could be also sit optional in the program menu....
Yeah I understand why you see if that way, but it isn't always the case... as a pianist of over 30 years I appreciate the fact that my piano does NOT have a screen. If it has a screen even just seeing that while I'm playing is a distraction. It pulls my mind away from performance. Yes I can train myself to push those thoughts back but it takes effort, which is the opposite of what I want to do when I'm performing. Everybody is different, we have different triggers and get sucked into rabbit holes from various stimuli. That's why this is a very complex design problem, it looks simple from one perspective but when you try and think about it from 100 or 1000 different perspectives things blur quite a bit
Our eyes are hardwired from our biology to over-react to movement in the peripheral vision. So if I see something moving (a param value on the screen) my BIOLOGY tells me it is important. That's a very hard thing to reconcile with, so we need to be careful. Not everyone is capable of controlling their habits the way you are, and we try to gently guide them toward new ways of doing things.
Not easy!
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Yep, sometimes that works. Unfortunately the very nature of it being a hidden feature means it won't be used as much and add complication to the user experience, so we normally like to err on the side of just picking a direction and sticking with it. That design philosophy may change in the future and some instruments lend themselves more to hidden UI changes, like the Tempest or Pro3, but the ones where we focus on simplicity need more care to add things like that.
We'll keep thinking about it!
I understand both sides - it could be useful for sound design and distracting for performance.
but all of those features some people like and some people don't like could be also sit optional in the program menu....
Yeah I understand why you see if that way, but it isn't always the case... as a pianist of over 30 years I appreciate the fact that my piano does NOT have a screen. If it has a screen even just seeing that while I'm playing is a distraction. It pulls my mind away from performance. Yes I can train myself to push those thoughts back but it takes effort, which is the opposite of what I want to do when I'm performing. Everybody is different, we have different triggers and get sucked into rabbit holes from various stimuli. That's why this is a very complex design problem, it looks simple from one perspective but when you try and think about it from 100 or 1000 different perspectives things blur quite a bit
Our eyes are hardwired from our biology to over-react to movement in the peripheral vision. So if I see something moving (a param value on the screen) my BIOLOGY tells me it is important. That's a very hard thing to reconcile with, so we need to be careful. Not everyone is capable of controlling their habits the way you are, and we try to gently guide them toward new ways of doing things.
Not easy!
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Yep, sometimes that works. Unfortunately the very nature of it being a hidden feature means it won't be used as much and add complication to the user experience, so we normally like to err on the side of just picking a direction and sticking with it. That design philosophy may change in the future and some instruments lend themselves more to hidden UI changes, like the Tempest or Pro3, but the ones where we focus on simplicity need more care to add things like that.
We'll keep thinking about it!
I understand both sides - it could be useful for sound design and distracting for performance.
but all of those features some people like and some people don't like could be also sit optional in the program menu....
Yeah I understand why you see if that way, but it isn't always the case... as a pianist of over 30 years I appreciate the fact that my piano does NOT have a screen. If it has a screen even just seeing that while I'm playing is a distraction. It pulls my mind away from performance. Yes I can train myself to push those thoughts back but it takes effort, which is the opposite of what I want to do when I'm performing. Everybody is different, we have different triggers and get sucked into rabbit holes from various stimuli. That's why this is a very complex design problem, it looks simple from one perspective but when you try and think about it from 100 or 1000 different perspectives things blur quite a bit
Our eyes are hardwired from our biology to over-react to movement in the peripheral vision. So if I see something moving (a param value on the screen) my BIOLOGY tells me it is important. That's a very hard thing to reconcile with, so we need to be careful. Not everyone is capable of controlling their habits the way you are, and we try to gently guide them toward new ways of doing things.
Not easy!
Would 10 voice paraphonic mode be an issue because of this?
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After some weeks of use my two top requests are:
- More banks for patch storage (seriously, please, why this restriction in 2021?)
- Value/parameter feedback in display (a visual feedback is great for finding sweet spots and remember settings)
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It would be great if the envelopes retriggered while using the sustain pedal. On the OB-6 and Prophet 6 you can activate this via Key Mode, and it works like a charm.
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I'd like to see the ability to transpose for each patch in semitones.
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I hear that linear/Thru Zero Fm was added to the Pro 2 in a firmware update & someone from sequential mentioned that it would potentially be possible to add it to the Pro 3. I think it would be amazing to have that type of capability here.
I would also like to see a desktop version that fits in a Gator Bag & the addition of the pro3 dco/wavetable osc so I can modulate the Modulator (vco2) with a wavetable osc
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Just joined up to chime in - it would be great if we could get a one-shot (non-looping) mode for the LFOs. Then LFO 2 would basically be usable as a 3rd envelope which would be absolutely incredible!
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I absolutely love this synth but I can’t help but think that I would spend an extra $1000 if i could get a straight up poly version of the pro 3 with the filters, sequencer, same screen and displays, envelope 3 (looping), more lfos, wavetable osc, whatever else it has, and in a desktop version
This synth is the best synth I’ve ever touched but a poly pro 3 would be mind blowing. Best synth ever material
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I'm using the Take5 some weeks now and so far i'm happy with it...
But if i had a wish i would like to see the following things...
- using one of the knobs left or right to switch through the Presets instead of using the Bank and program buttons.
- if i move the knob, it's not the badest idea to see the parameter on the screen, i know this isn't necessary because using your ears instead of parameters is the better way, but sometimes i want to see were i am...
- and as some people already mentioned, more places to save own programs would be cool, too.
Frank
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- if i move the knob, it's not the badest idea to see the parameter on the screen, i know this isn't necessary because using your ears instead of parameters is the better way, but sometimes i want to see were i am...
Frank
there is a tiny dot in the digit (preset number) display, that is visible when you are on the presets value. but you have to be exactly on the value - its a bit sensible
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Fix Panning clicking issue. Add a Voice Spread function in the Program menu.
Add A stereo Ping Pong Delay !!
Thanks
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Fix Panning clicking issue. Add a Voice Spread function in the Program menu.
Add A stereo Ping Pong Delay !!
Thanks
What is it you are trying to achieve that cannot be done by assigning Voice Spread as a mod source and Panning as a destination in the mod matrix? Is it that it doesn’t offer independent placement control over each voice individually?
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It would be great if the envelopes retriggered while using the sustain pedal. On the OB-6 and Prophet 6 you can activate this via Key Mode, and it works like a charm.
X2. There's a Unison Env Retrig in the program menu that could be applied in poly mode like it does on the OB-6/P6. Right now, if your patch has decay/no sustain/little sustain you can't play more than 5 notes with the sustain pedal down.
I know, some people are saying, why are you using a sustain pedal on a synth? Well, I have a MODX with a sustain pedal that I use for piano sounds, and if I'm using it as a controller to play an analog pad layered with the piano on one of my Sequential synths, I need to have it respond properly when using the sustain pedal; that is, have the envelopes retrigger.
I also second the request to show parameter values/changes in the display. Even better would be to show the current and the saved value of the parameter when the knob is turned/button pushed, that makes it easier to go back to the original value without looking for that tiny dot in the patch number display. It also helps when reverse engineering presets, or explaining them on a forum ("set filter cutoff to 87, env1 decay to 32, etc.")
A P5-style voice allocation scheme (reuse same voice for same note) would be nice to have too.
When on the regular screen (not a menu), the select/value knobs do nothing. One of them could be used to scroll through presets (perhaps while holding down a button to prevent accidental patch changes), or even make them assignable per patch (for example, making one of them control Filter Keytracking and the other Pan Spread).
The basic program (init patch) has LFO1 assigned to Osc1 Fine by default, and mod wheel mapped to LFO1 amount. This is nice for having mod wheel to vibrato mapped by default, but would it make more sense to have LFO1 default to OscAll Fine so both oscillators get vibrato?
That's my wish list for the moment.
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Fix Panning clicking issue. Add a Voice Spread function in the Program menu.
Add A stereo Ping Pong Delay !!
Thanks
What is it you are trying to achieve that cannot be done by assigning Voice Spread as a mod source and Panning as a destination in the mod matrix? Is it that it doesn’t offer independent placement control over each voice individually?
Ok then nevermind , completely did not see the voice spread function in the Mod Matrix ;D
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When using "Pressure" as a mod source, M and P as a designator for a monophonic and polyphonic source is displayed, but the Take 5 only responds to monophonic aftertouch.
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When using "Pressure" as a mod source, M and P as a designator for a monophonic and polyphonic source is displayed, but the Take 5 only responds to monophonic aftertouch.
The Take 5 keyboard sends monophonic/channel aftertouch, but I believe the Take 5 can receive polyphonic pressure over MIDI. Polyphonic key pressure is listed as one of the MIDI messages received in the Take 5 MIDI Implementation document. This is typical of many Sequential synths. So, if you have a keyboard that can send polyphonic aftertouch/pressure, then the Take 5 would properly handle it.
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When using "Pressure" as a mod source, M and P as a designator for a monophonic and polyphonic source is displayed, but the Take 5 only responds to monophonic aftertouch.
The Take 5 keyboard sends monophonic/channel aftertouch, but I believe the Take 5 can receive polyphonic pressure over MIDI. Polyphonic key pressure is listed as one of the MIDI messages received in the Take 5 MIDI Implementation document. This is typical of many Sequential synths. So, if you have a keyboard that can send polyphonic aftertouch/pressure, then the Take 5 would properly handle it.
As I wrote, the Take 5 only responds to monophonic aftertouch – I have tried it with the Hydrasynth that sends polyphonic aftertouch (and of course I have tried it with several other synths where it worked.)
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As I wrote, the Take 5 only responds to monophonic aftertouch – I have tried it with the Hydrasynth that sends polyphonic aftertouch (and of course I have tried it with several other synths where it worked.)
I just tried poly AT using my Microfreak as a controller. My Take 5 won't respond to poly AT either. I have Pressure routed to Cutoff in the matrix (which is a poly modulation), and using channel AT works (from T5's keyboard as well as via midi), but poly AT from my Microfreak is ignored.
When I sent poly AT to my OB-6 from the Microfreak, it does respond to it as expected (so it's not a midi setup or routing issue).
So, is this a bug, missed implementation, setup issue, or something else going on? Someone on Gearspace mentioned about poly AT not working and in his case it was due to using a monophonic destination in the matrix.
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Well, I'm here to report that I've also had issues with the Take 5 receiving aftertouch. I couldn't get it to accept either mono AT OR poly AT from two other keybeds that support them (Hydrasynth keyboard and Ensoniq VFX).
I have an init patch where Pressure is routed to Cutoff on the Take 5. Mono AT works from the Take 5 itself, and the other two keyboards can control each other... but the Take 5 is not playing along as expected.
EDIT: While I'm here in this thread, I posted details of what appears to be bugs in how the Drive knob and Drive mod destination work in another post. The Take 5 feels... odd in terms of it's modulation matrix.
But while playing with it, I realized it'd be really nice to have some math functions in the mod matrix. DC is already there... What about log, anti-log, and exponential functions as well? The logarithmic FM might be a bit more fun and scaling the Note Number source could be really valuable as well.
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+1 for visual cues when clock syncing the LFOs. As it is right now something simple like syncing an LFO to e.g. 1 bar per cycle is a trial and error process that is tedious and unnecessarily cumbersome, let alone very imprecise. Also any slight movement of the knob will unsync it.
This synth is a magnificent beast and can only imagine how solid it'll be after a few rounds of polishing. Fantastic work.
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I'd really like to see an automatic midi-clock sensing (switch automatically between internal/external clock when there is(no) ext clock ).
My E-RM Multiclock doesn't send clock when stopped and so i have to go into the menu and change the clock source to use the the Arp, sequencer, clocked LFO.
I'm not mentioning the clock-divider bug (that shifts sequencer-notes (and probably LFO cycles) 1/128th note) as feature request , as it's already logged.
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Visual cues
One shot LFO for extra env functionality
OSC1 as a mod source (why is this not here!?!?)
more patches
extra sequencer functionality would be nice too
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Yep, visual clues when setting LFO1, LFO2, Delay Time would be a luxury.
Edit sequencer steps. And, some swing man, I love that swing.
FX panning, or stereo FX.
The Mod source "Random", appears to change on each key press and it is great, but I'd like to get random linked to midi clock, or even just random changes, random randoms, if you will.
I'd love to hear some news about when an update can be expected, I have noticed a couple of sync issues.
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More visual cues would be great.
Regarding Randomness Linked to Clock: set LFO(s) to S&H and Clock Sync on for randomized, clock sync changes to your destination of choice. (or Clock sync off for randomness at different rates)
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More visual cues would be great.
Regarding Randomness Linked to Clock: set LFO(s) to S&H and Clock Sync on for randomized, clock sync changes to your destination of choice. (or Clock sync off for randomness at different rates)
Ah, yes of course, I understand that, but thanks.. . there is however a Mod Source called Random, which changes on every key press. It is this Mod Source that I want to assign for clocked duties.
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You can also set "Key Sync / Reset" on the LFOs in addition to Clock Sync and S&H. Press PROGRAM, then navigate to #13/14 and set LFO Reset to ON. This will make sure that each new key strike retriggers the start of LFO phase (a new random value generated from the LFO per key strike)... and then the LFO will continue to generate new random values at the clock BPM.
The LFOs have the same Mod Destinations as the Matrix, directly assignable. Or you can also multiplex them with other sources in the matrix... ie: If you have a modulation of LFO 1 > Osc Freq, but 0 value... then in another mod slot you can route a different source like velocity, an envelope, or a random key generator that gets routed to the previous Mod Slot's Amount.
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The LFOs have the same Mod Destinations as the Matrix, directly assignable. Or you can also multiplex them with other sources in the matrix... ie: If you have a modulation of LFO 1 > Osc Freq, but 0 value... then in another mod slot you can route a different source like velocity, an envelope, or a random key generator that gets routed to the previous Mod Slot's Amount.
I've been having lots of fun using mods to adjust other mods.
This is a fav..
I set Mod 4 to Voice Spread - Pan, and the add another Mod 5 to LFO - "Mod 4 Amount".
That gives the panning effect a bit more movement. as the amount of Voice Spread - Pan changes up and down.
Such a cool synth!
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It would be great if the envelopes retriggered while using the sustain pedal. On the OB-6 and Prophet 6 you can activate this via Key Mode, and it works like a charm.
I agree to this. With the current setup, you need very perfect timing to be able to play and use the sustain pedal as a "help" to hold chord notes during chord/finger changes, as I do on a piano. It is likely easier to whack up the release and play legato than to have new chord notes being inaudible because the envelopes didn't retrigger.
The voice stealing when _not_ using sustain pedal is much more natural to use.
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+1 for the sustain pedal retriggering option!
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I have a lot of ideas for new features in an update but I think the Take5 will get only bug fixes updates.
The Take5 is just an easy entry level synth for new Sequential customers, it won't get a lot of new features I guess.
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The Take5 is just an easy entry level synth for new Sequential customers, it won't get a lot of new features I guess.
It is an easy synth, but you can get well above entry-level-sound design with it. And I think, that getting new customers for sequential is not only through price and or ease of use (of the T5). Nothing better then to show your new customers how a product is maintained and updated at Sequential - maybe they'll upgrade one day to an OB6 or P5/6/10?
They are already known for a very good customer support, why should they leave out feature updates for this new customer group? I bought exactly two products because of the love a company has shown for constant features updates for a specific product. The Akai MPC-One is one of them and the other one is the Line6 Helix. In addition to a satisfied customer you get a ton of promotion on every major network for every update. You will not miss out those "Take 5 - Version X - check out this new features" - Videos on Youtube. And you really don't want a video that is telling you "Yeah, nothing new, they fixed a few bugs" - that would be questionable marketing.
I am pretty sure, we get new features. And I am pretty sure, this thread will be read.
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It has been five months now and there hasn't been any bugfix update so far ... Let's see how good the support is/will be in the future.
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Yes that surprises me but also compared to Rev2 (when it was relased) there are not that many critical bugs in Take 5, more requests. Rev2 took some months and a number of updates to make it usuable.
I can only hope this long time will give us a big update with for example more patch banks.
If not then I honestly will be quite disappointed.
Still, Take 5 is a wonderful synthesizer. With an update it could be one of the best ever made (in its price range).
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Take 5 desktop and poly chain.
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Since the overdrive is digital, I think additional algorithms should be optional through the menu settings. I think it would be really great if Sequential developed/included a tape emulation and a lo-fi bit/sample-rate reducer algorithm.
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Since the overdrive is digital, I think additional algorithms should be optional through the menu settings. I think it would be really great if Sequential developed/included a tape emulation and a lo-fi bit/sample-rate reducer algorithm.
+1 for that!
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Since the overdrive is digital, I think additional algorithms should be optional through the menu settings. I think it would be really great if Sequential developed/included a tape emulation and a lo-fi bit/sample-rate reducer algorithm.
+1 for that!
and generally it could sound a little better.. it gets easily quite harsh
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Please add a 'Global Settings Pedal Function' option for volume (just like there is for LPF). A further option to defeat global expression pedal control of volume and/or LPF in the Program Settings would be useful i.e. where expression control of some other preset specific parameter is required.
As far as I can tell, the only way to use a CC pedal to control volume is to program this for each patch. This means setting the foot pedal control as a modulation source for as many modulation slots as necessary to control levels e.g.
(i). creating a single mod slot with destination assigned to ENV 2 Amount (this may not be suitable if the filter or other parameters are also using ENV 2), OR
(ii). creating multiple individual mod slots to control levels for Osc 1, Osc 2, Sub, & Noise.
I assume a design decision was taken to provide a global setting option for expression pedal control of LPF but not volume. I have found using an expression pedal for LPF is an inspirational experience on the Take 5, and really pleased it can be easily selected at global level. However, IMHO easy access to expression pedal volume is a must, especially in a synth promoted for live use. If it was a toss up between LPF or volume as the only global option, I'd go for volume, but the ability to select either LPF or volume at global level and then defeat it at program level would be a huge benefit. If I have missed something, whatever that is needs to be more obvious. Its a great synth and deserves a firmware upgrade to address this issue (also, some recommendations in the manual for expression pedal specs/models would also be useful - some work better than others).
Peace, love & low pass filters.
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The Take-5 is by far my favorite synth. It is hands down the best synth I have ever played or heard. It could be so much more powerful if it had a 3rd envelope for modulation (preferably looping), one shot lfos, a more subtle/musical overdrive that doesnt get blown out as soon as it's audible, and slightly better fm which is decoupled from the osc2 volume knob for more control over waveshaping. There's nothing to replace it with, it is the best synth around. So I can only hope that there is a firmware update that addresses at least a couple of these issues.
I would definitely pay $2000 or so for a Take-5 with 8 voices, a second svf filter, a 3rd osc, 3rd looping envelope, desktop (keyless) module with maybe a couple more lfos and the graphic visualizations that the pro3 uses, for preset design.
Slightly more usable fm would be ideal, but i do love it already. I just think it could potentially be better if we had more flexible control over it. fm is by far the most exciting aspect of this synth, pairing it with osc sync is the coolest thing ive ever experienced on an analog poly, especially one that sounds this incredible. I just think it's not very far off from the absolute perfect dream synth. it wouldn't take much.
maybe once more people start giving it the attention it deserves, we can get either a new desktop version with a few more features and improved synthesis options, or at least a nice little firmware update. I am crossing my fingers for either to become a reality sometime in the near future
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This is a carryover from the "attack stage contour" thread... I would like to see in a firmware update some alternate envelope curves, or a way to adjust the curves, perhaps as a sweep from logarithmic through linear to exponential. Presently the attack curve is "highly logarithmic" so it rises fast and then slows down to almost nothing before reaching the decay. If I want a slow attack pad it seems to flatten out and then take an eternity to reach the decay.
I know a logarithmic curve emulates analog envelopes, but no analog (or digital) envelope on any other synth I've used has a curve like this.
The OB-6 has a more linear, but still analog feeling log curve. I'd love that curve on the Take 5.
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First time posting, absolutely love the T5 but agree with a lot of these suggested updates.
Is it just me, or does the distortion in the FX section seem to come after the program volume? I notice that when I turn down the program volume after getting the distortion level where I like it, it changes the whole character of the drive, which is unlike how it works on the Prophet 6. It's a shame because I feel that the FX distortion has more of that wooly feeling that I love about the P6's distortion. I agree with the comment above about adding different algorithms for the overdrive, would be nice to have options and not have to sacrifice FX just for a drive effect.
I feel the same way about the HPF, and wonder if that could be an option for the overdrive knob as well? There have been some times playing live when I wish I had a quick way to manage the low end (again, without sacrificing an effect).
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i would like to have the options to turn off sound when changing patches.
In a live setting, it can be a bit bothersome to hear the sound transform into the new patch you're selecting for the part you're about to play, if it has a long release it can outright be disastrous sounding.
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A idea to use the Take 5 in a better way as a controller for modules : adding a setting to change mid in and midi out channel, so the synth can play a sequence from a external sequencer AND playing another synth with this fantastic keyboard.
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Hm, i own the synth since it's available and happy so far but i miss some little updates and i think, it's time to make a update... Any news about it?
Frank
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Maybe now that the OB-X8 development is finished (or almost finished) we'll see an update for the Take 5. At least some bug fixes. I hope they fix it so it responds to poly AT.
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My updated wish list, and some of the other ideas in this thread that I think would be great to add:
1. Allow for more User Patches. 128 is very low for today's day and age. If at all possible, please make a way to switch to alternate banks of patches (even if it requires a menu dive to get to U2,U3,U4) and give us 512 or so user slots. Possible implementation: The Bank + 9-16 buttons are currently unused... perfect spot to access additional banks/patches from a UI standpoint.
2. Add Per-Key Voice Allocation option in Globals (or even better, per patch), along with the default Round Robin. Since the core sound architecture is very similar to P5, this would be a great addition to dial in more classic/vintage Prophet 5 character. It seems the fw algorithms have already been designed for r4.. If they can be ported over to Take 5, it would be awesome. It really makes sense for a five voice synth like this, and its especially pertinent / pronounced once you start introducing vintage knob voice offsets. This would be really great for expanding upon the character options for this synth. Voice allocation / stealing behavior is better with reassign for a 5v synth like this.
3. More usage of OLED screen for reporting exact values when you adjust settings. (a lot of requests for this in this thread)
4. Adjustable ADR contour setting (convex-linear-concave)... this is on my wish list for all current/future Sequential synths... would love to see an option... fine if its in menu and controlled by encoder.
5. Add a mode where Pressure/Aftertouch only affects the last key struck. This was added to PolyBrute in their FW 2.0, and its a very cool feature. Possibly even offer a few options: Lowest, Highest, and Last Key Pressure Assignment, and if you really wanted next level, add Last-2 and Last 3, where the very last hit key gets 100% of the pressure modulation, the key two presses back gets 50%, and the one before that gets 25%. This would create ability to create some really interesting pressure based modulation that is sensitive to the most recent keys hit, and not affecting everything... a "poor mans poly-aftertouch"... but in reality, it captures 90% of the same spirit. And the proposed Last 2 or Last 3 modes with scaling, would allow you to "bend chords" sort of like on guitar, where you may not bend each string equally. Would like to see this on all future Seq poly synths with channel aftertouch keybeds... its a great firmware based option to get closer to poly-at behavior.
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Here's another thing that may be a bug. When routing a poly mod source like an envelope to a mono destination like osc mix, only the 1st notes' modulation affects it. For example, if you init a patch, turn down the osc mix on all oscs, then route an envelope to osc mix, set a pluck envelope with no sustain, then play a note, you'll hear the envelope affect the osc mix. If you play and hold one note and let the envelope fade out, then play a 2nd note, you won't hear the 2nd notes' envelope affect the osc mix at all. Only if you release all notes and then play another, will the new 1st note's envelope affect the destination.
Ideally, the poly sources to mono destinations should be either mixed and applied to all voices (or take the highest value at the time), or the last notes' modulation used instead of the first. Or use the (unison) note priority setting to determine which note's modulation is applied. This way the modulation can affect all notes similar to on a paraphonic synth.
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So... when are we getting an update? It has been a year since the release, you guys need to prioritize this because there are a ton of little polished missing as you can see from this long, old thread.
Also RIP Dave <3.
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So... when are we getting an update? It has been a year since the release, you guys need to prioritize this because there are a ton of little polished missing as you can see from this long, old thread.
Also RIP Dave <3.
i'm checking every few weeks, nothings happening .. the internal sequencer is still unusable :( and the assignment of micro tuning in globals is really nonsense to my workflow
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Post Your Firmware Update / Feature Requests here.
Definitely 1. values shown on screen 2. adjustable envelope curves.
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So... when are we getting an update? It has been a year since the release, you guys need to prioritize this because there are a ton of little polished missing as you can see from this long, old thread.
Also RIP Dave <3.
i'm checking every few weeks, nothings happening .. the internal sequencer is still unusable :( and the assignment of micro tuning in globals is really nonsense to my workflow
When you say the internal sequencer is still unusable, can you read my post that was posted yesterday June 7 and tell me if you have this problem with the sequencer? Thanks
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Firstly, RIP Dave! So many records I love owe so much to his designs. Total legend.
Secondly, updating my list, and several of these are reiterations from others' posts—
1. I know this has been said a thousand times, but more user patch slots. This synth has so much sound design capacity that 128 slots get eaten up VERY fast.
2. This has also been previously mentioned a bunch, but visual cues on the screen when dialing in values, especially for clock-synced parameters (LFO rates, delay time, etc) would be helpful.
3. Envelope re-trigger option with sustain pedal.
4. Swing options in the time divisions.
5. I like the idea of a per-key voice allocation option, so +1 for that.
6. Looping envelope option for envelope 1.
7. Linear/thru zero FM options.
8. Global settings pedal function for volume.
9. I mentioned earlier that I had an issue with the distortion effect, which I love the sound of, but I realize now that the problem is that the depth/mix knob barely turns down the output of the effect, especially when you really crank the input gain (time knob) for some hair. If the output gain functioned as a full attenuator (down to zero), this would be a much more manageable effect. I try managing this with the program volume, but this just weakens the distortion sound, as though the effect is post-program volume. Oh, and again, different drive/distortion algorithm options on the overdrive knob would be excellent. I use distortion a lot for hazy shoegaze stuff so these fixes/additions would be huge for me, haha.
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128 free presets in 2022 is ridiculous (sorry but that is how I think of it). If I buy a hardware synth I do that because I want to create my own sounds. Hate to do it on a computer with a mouse. Presets hardly cost memory space so it should be easy to upgrade. 128 presets I have full in one month. I am waiting for the Take 5 to get upgraded with more preset memory. Then I will buy the take 5. If I want to play factory presets I can use Analog lab so please upgrade the memory space. That also will have you sell more Take 5's.
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Hey everyone, new Take 5 owner here. I've had the synth for less than 24 hours but based on my time so far these are some issues I would like to see addressed and wish I knew about before plunking down cash for this synth.
1. it's been said in this thread before but the init patch needs to be an actual init patch without a stored sequence, very frustrating when using external clock and everytime you init a patch you have to remember to go record a blank step to get rid of the default sequence
2. needs to be a way to clear any stored sequence
3. using external MIDI clock should not cause all clock synced functions like LFOs, arpeggiator, etc. to stop entirely until the external transport is engaged (this is a major drag)
4. the sequencer should NOT be auto enabled and started when start transport is received even when turned off in the patch
5. syncing the arpeggiator to beats causes it to almost always drop the first note so is currently useless
6. there seems to be a very noticeable DC offset on sawtooth and square LFOs requiring the fine tune parameter to workaround
7. effects section desperately needs a compressor
Cheers
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4. the sequencer should NOT be auto enabled and started when start transport is received even when turned off in the patch
This can be set in globals by setting Clock Mode to "In No S/S." This allows the T5 to receive midi clock but it ignores start/stop commands.
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4. the sequencer should NOT be auto enabled and started when start transport is received even when turned off in the patch
This can be set in globals by setting Clock Mode to "In No S/S." This allows the T5 to receive midi clock but it ignores start/stop commands.
Thanks kpatz, this at least makes the default on patch init and any existing stored sequence less disruptive.
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I am finding myself really wanting to be able to have a standard envelope for the VCA and then an auxiliary one to control other things. If you want to use ENV1 as an AUX envelope the current operating system forces you to either forgo a VCA envelope entirely or have it tied to the filter at the same time. We can use the mod matrix to map AUX to filter if needed but this does not work as well for the VCA because the existing routings conflict (GATE overrides, ENV2 Filter + VCA takes precedence).
The ENV ROUTING options I would like to see are:
ENV1 Filter / ENV2 VCA
*** ENV1 AUX / ENV2 VCA ***
ENV1 AUX / ENV2 Filter + VCA
ENV1 AUX / ENV2 Filter + VCA GATE
Related to this, it's odd that ENV2 does not support a negative amount like ENV1.
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Asked question in Gearslutzzzz forum about update. Carson replied that's it's in progress. Hopefully not too far off and that the powers that be have read suggestions posted here and implement most of them. 😀
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the volume pot sending CC7 even parameter send is off is bugging me a lot, have now put a hardware midi filter box behind it to prevent connected synths to go silent, when I don't want to hear T5 (same with PRO 3)
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the volume pot sending CC7 even parameter send is off is bugging me a lot, have now put a hardware midi filter box behind it to prevent connected synths to go silent, when I don't want to hear T5 (same with PRO 3)
Agree that it would be nice (on all Seq synths) if there's a way (in Globals) to disable CC7 Volume send... to be able to quickly switch between using the keybed as a MIDI controller for other devices and then back to internal sounds with the turn of the volume dial.
As a bonus, it would be nice if there was a shortcut for switching MIDI output channel. For example, hold Up Octave Tranpose and hit one of the 16 buttons to change to that MIDI channel... without having to navigate through menu. On devices without 16 buttons, maybe just a function where holding a button and turning a nearby dial scrolls through the MIDI channels on the OLED, for quick changes.
These two additions would probably be pretty easy to implement, and really open up MIDI keyboard controller capabilities... especially when used in multi-timbral fashion with an MPC, Elektron, or other device which has multitimbral MIDI channel input. You could set the CC7 send to OFF, so the volume knob can be used to turn the keyboard into a MIDI controller, without having to switch other settings or navigate to a silent patch. And then a quick shortcut for switching channels would allow changing which instruments you are controlling.
As an alternative, if there was a way to quickly toggle to a "Dedicated Controller Mode" from a key combo on the control surface that would be really cool... Especially if it keeps the MIDI IN set to the same channel, but allows the MIDI OUT of the performance controls to route to different channel.... so the instrument can keep playing any sequenced notes and cc data from external devices, but allowing the keybed, pressure, modwheel, and pitch to be disconnected and sent to a different MIDI OUT channel.
The optimal setup would keep all the patch controls still active for whatever is playing (so you could still do filter sweeps or other sound editing on any sequence that is being transmitted to the instrument's MIDI input.... but just the keybed and core performance controls would be disconnected and sent to a designated MIDI output on the same or different channel. That would be optimal, in my opinion, for making Seq synths into great MIDI controllers as well... for dawless MIDI multitracking.
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Nordlead do it right, the amount knob on amp envelope(or gain as called) is connected to CC7. That decides volume if you want that. And that serves to balance volume between patches too.
Take 5 has amount on each of envelopes, and could have amp amount do CC7 to start with. And ability to turn off in settings if panel controls are to be sent or not.
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1) (for now)
Seeing that we do have control over individual voices in some places already, there's a feature I really like in the old Alesis Micron synth that could add fun usefulness to the Take 5's Hold and pitch bend in a per-program setting:
Pitch Bend: a) bend ALL notes b) bend only held notes
The wording may need to change to avoid confusion with the Hold button. The idea, though, would be that the a) option is normal and current mode of operation. But the b) option... play a chord, and press the Hold button. Release all notes but one. Then, the pitch bend would bend only that note still being held down on the keyboard, while the ones latched by the Hold button would be unaffected.
2) (for now)
I'm probably one of a mountain of folks who would like some revamping of the first iteration of sequencer editing & functionality. The more steps available, the more crucially useful it would be to be able to sweep thru the recorded steps to make edits. Moreover, being able to record, even if a limited number of, knob turns over the course of a sequence would put this beast on par with relatively entry-level, humble synthesizers like the Korg Minilogue, which it in all other respects outclasses by echelons.
I know all of that would basically involve adding a whole module of software code when there may not be room for any more, but if there's any hands-on interface that would benefit most from an overhaul, IMHO it's there. The sequencer is kind of just a demo tool right now, when it could be *phenomenal*.
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the volume pot sending CC7 even parameter send is off is bugging me a lot, have now put a hardware midi filter box behind it to prevent connected synths to go silent, when I don't want to hear T5 (same with PRO 3)
I just noticed this, this a HUGE problem.
One of my Pro 3s is turning down the other one. (What's this Cc7 thingy?)
This took me a couple of hours to find.
Boo. Not cool. :/
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This is what I was working on...
Attached File: 123k mp3 version.
The wav file is 3.7 megs.
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After about 6-months of regular use, what I would really like to see (hope these are all reasonable!) :
1. An option for on screen parameter values. Values only would be fine if that's what's possible, but parameter names for the effects section would be helpful to me.
2. A program setting for LFO 2 to be mono / global. Poly LFO's can often feel to busy.
3. One-shot LFO setting.
4. A way to smooth / slew the sample and hold setting of the LFO's. Either a program setting that can slew all shapes, or one that swaps between a smooth or choppy sample and hold.
5. Envelope Looping.
Cheers all, Take 5 is a great keyboard and I look forward to any future updates.
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the volume pot sending CC7 even parameter send is off is bugging me a lot, have now put a hardware midi filter box behind it to prevent connected synths to go silent, when I don't want to hear T5 (same with PRO 3)
I just noticed this, this a HUGE problem.
One of my Pro 3s is turning down the other one. (What's this Cc7 thingy?)
This took me a couple of hours to find.
Boo. Not cool. :/
And of course, that was incorrect global settings on my part, at least for the setup I'm trying. (I can turn MIDI Param Receive [and Control Enable?] off for the other synth.)
Here's a (partially related?) pretty good write-up of the difference between CC and NRPN I found while re-configuring my setup.
https://www.reddit.com/r/synthesizers/comments/6w8j6v/nrpns/dm6k5fm/
And, just for fun, here's v4 (3b, haha) of the "what I was working on" above.
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Cheers all, Take 5 is a great keyboard and I look forward to any future updates.
Hey Jorb! - Welcome.
I've seen a few of your vids. Decent stuff.
Question on the above. - ...Than why is your last Take 5 video a "first impressions" video from 7 months ago?
...Just prompting you. :D
(I'm a Pro3 owner/fan. But would love to hear more from the Take 5.)
Cheers
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...Than why is your last Take 5 video a "first impressions" video from 7 months ago?
...Just prompting you.
Well, I recreated the prophet 5 patches on Feb 8th : https://youtu.be/6Al-sB6-smw
The full take 5 review went up today, 50 minutes long. Just because you asked, of course ;)
https://youtu.be/qt9dnvXx73o
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Hi guys! Having issues with the pitch and mod wheels of my Take 5. Quite often they start changing values on their own, especially the pitch gets changed usually with a whole note. I did clear the calibration and then reset all back again, the mod wheel seems to be fixed after that, but the pitch wheel keeps changing the tone. This needs to be taken care of.
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Cheers all, Take 5 is a great keyboard and I look forward to any future updates.
I'm a Pro3 owner/fan. But would love to hear more from the Take 5.
Hey, if this interests you, this is a track I made with only the Take 5 for all layers, everything you hear it the T5, aside from percussion.
https://soundcloud.com/apendica/escaping-belial
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Any idea when we're getting a new firmware? It's been almost a year since release and since this thread started. What is taking so long?
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Any idea when we're getting a new firmware? It's been almost a year since release and since this thread started. What is taking so long?
Maybe Take 5 will be abandoned like AS-1 once was.
Still two great synthesizers as they are but both deserve better.
Checking here every week and still hoping for an expanded patch memory :(
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Any idea when we're getting a new firmware? It's been almost a year since release and since this thread started. What is taking so long?
Maybe Take 5 will be abandoned like AS-1 once was.
Still two great synthesizers as they are but both deserve better.
Checking here every week and still hoping for an expanded patch memory :(
It has been confirmed on Gearspace that the update is currently being worked on :)
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Hi, I've been having a great time with the Take 5. So many beautiful and fun sounds. Here are a few features I'd be keen to see:
- On screen parameter values + initial preset value (the led dot is sometimes hard to find).
- Extra envelope routing option: Env 1 = Aux and Env 2 = Amp.
- Envelope looping.
- Less subtle filter drive? Maybe I'm missing something, but it is hard to notice a difference sometimes. However, I have started to notice that it does give very fine control of the filter when it is modulated with audio/filter out. Unsure of what's best here.
Looking forward to the update!
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Less subtle filter drive? Maybe I'm missing something, but it is hard to notice a difference sometimes. However, I have started to notice that it does give very fine control of the filter when it is modulated with audio/filter out. Unsure of what's best here.
A positive of the filter drive is that it smooths out high resonance levels on the filter which can be useful when you want the grittiness of it but not the sharp self-oscillating peak.
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- Less subtle filter drive? Maybe I'm missing something, but it is hard to notice a difference sometimes. However, I have started to notice that it does give very fine control of the filter when it is modulated with audio/filter out. Unsure of what's best here.
Can you elaborate on how this fine filter drive modulation control works? I agree it's very subtle as basic drive, but it does generally compress resonance, which can be useful, I guess.
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- Less subtle filter drive? Maybe I'm missing something, but it is hard to notice a difference sometimes. However, I have started to notice that it does give very fine control of the filter when it is modulated with audio/filter out. Unsure of what's best here.
Can you elaborate on how this fine filter drive modulation control works? I agree it's very subtle as basic drive, but it does generally compress resonance, which can be useful, I guess.
Basically, I noticed that drive reduced the warbliness(?)/distortion when the filter was modulated by audio out with resonance at max. I'm thinking that relates to what you mentioned about resonance compression?
As an example, with an init patch, modulate cutoff by audio out by 127, set cutoff to about 11 o'clock, resonance max, drive minimum. Play and hold, say, C major. Reduce the cutoff until you get a weird warbly effect and then increase the drive to tame the craziness. Hopefully that makes sense? Point is – drive seems to be very useful for carefully taming those kinds of wild high resonance sounds, but on its own is very subtle. I guess I'm torn about whether I want a change or not :)
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After watching/reading OB-X8 reviews, a nice addition to the Take 5 would be to make some of the more commonly used Program Menu parameters directly accessible with a button+knob combo (like we have for Unison Voices now).
For example, hold Program+turn Drive to adjust filter keytracking. If they also add the oft-requested display of parameters while editing them, the screen could show what you're editing when you hold Program (or whatever button they assign as the shift function) while turning a knob.
Essentially this would work similar to the "page 2" functions on the OB-8/OB-X8.
Another enhancement that would be nice: hold an Envelope Velocity button while turning Amount to set the amount of velocity response.
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Basically, I noticed that drive reduced the warbliness(?)/distortion when the filter was modulated by audio out with resonance at max. I'm thinking that relates to what you mentioned about resonance compression?
As an example, with an init patch, modulate cutoff by audio out by 127, set cutoff to about 11 o'clock, resonance max, drive minimum. Play and hold, say, C major. Reduce the cutoff until you get a weird warbly effect and then increase the drive to tame the craziness. Hopefully that makes sense? Point is – drive seems to be very useful for carefully taming those kinds of wild high resonance sounds, but on its own is very subtle. I guess I'm torn about whether I want a change or not :)
Ah yes, I see. Also, is it an analog control, can it even be updated by firmware?
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Do we have a rough timeframe/expected feature set for the update? It’s been a year since launch now and I’m still wanting for a one shot/non-looping LFO mode and some minor bug fixes.
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One other request—would love to have the chorus, flanger, and Oberheim-style phaser from the Prophet 6. Those all sound much nicer than the ones currently loaded on the T5 (especially the OB phaser).
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To be honest, i stopped thinking about any new features and updates...
I own the Take5 since the first day it was available, i like the machine and i play often with it but after nearly one year, no single update, that means for me that Sequential has no interest in any new updates or features...
That's why i use it how it is till the date i'm selling it. And it looks to me that this date is coming soon... :(
Frank
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Maybe a FW update that allows for user driven FW reset, if it's stuck on the TAKE5 logo - like mine is today.....
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i would love to see an adjustment to how velocity responds, i find that the black keys on the Take 5 are a bit too sensitive compared to the white keys which makes it hard to play certain passages which has me turn off velocity off altogether.
It's a nice feeling keybed so that would make it more usable IMO.
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this is the best synth i've ever used. it could benefit a great deal from either a fw update, or even a rev2 version. all it needs is a 3rd looping envelope, 3rd Osc, 2nd SVF,AM/VCA modulation options, more mod slots. just combine the sound of the T5 with the versatility of the best parts of the P12 (mostly modulation stuff) & the features of the Pro 3 (filter, 3rd osc, seq?, 3rd env)
i believe this will one day be recognized as one of the best synths in the world. it is severely underrated for some reason, but i still wish we could get some more features because i cannot switch now that i have heard the gorgeous sound of the Take-5, but i also dont want to feel limited by the sound design options. make it more expensive, i dont know. we need a mk2. is this even a possibility now that dave is gone (rip)? will novation be able to take it further, maybe even by adding some cool peal stuff to this perfect voice engine/vco/filter?
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A lot of improvement idea for the best synth you ever used! 😀
As i already wrote down some pages before, i think there will be no update, there are small things to be updated first but since the release, no single update.
Strange!
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Maybe there is already a way to do this, but it sure would be swell if you could change the initialized patch parameters.
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Bug fix request
Even if MIDI Param Send is set to Off, the volume pot keeps sending cc messages.
So if you turn down the volume of the T5 to use the keys with a module, also the volume of the module is turned down...
Plus 1 Million.
You have no idea how annoying it is to forget to initialize volume in a Cakewalk track and listen to your speakers pop.
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+1 to fixing the Volume knob sending CC messages when MIDI Param Send is set to off
Two other feature requests for the screen:
1. an oscilloscope would be really neat!
2. being able to see the numerical value of a parameter on the screen somewhere when you change it would be handy.
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Just picked up a T5 yesterday and am stunned by its sound and capabilities. I'm also pleasantly surprised to find a beta update in the works, and one feature I've always liked that appears not currently present is a way to allow velocity to control envelope attack times. My dominant use case would be higher velocity values = faster attack time. Thanks!
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Just picked up a T5 yesterday and am stunned by its sound and capabilities. I'm also pleasantly surprised to find a beta update in the works, and one feature I've always liked that appears not currently present is a way to allow velocity to control envelope attack times. My dominant use case would be higher velocity values = faster attack time. Thanks!
That should easily be possible via the mod matrix.
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Just picked up a T5 yesterday and am stunned by its sound and capabilities. I'm also pleasantly surprised to find a beta update in the works, and one feature I've always liked that appears not currently present is a way to allow velocity to control envelope attack times. My dominant use case would be higher velocity values = faster attack time. Thanks!
That should easily be possible via the mod matrix.
Thanks, I'll look into that!
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From the beta changelog:
New Feature: LFO rate displayed on-screen when frequency updated and LFO sync active.
Very nice! Could we also get this on the FX "TIME" knob? Great for setting delays to a specific division faster.
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It would be great if the envelopes retriggered while using the sustain pedal. On the OB-6 and Prophet 6 you can activate this via Key Mode, and it works like a charm.
Yes I need that too! Would be great to turn on/off retriggering envelopes in program menu!
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just another request for some visual feedback... would make life easier on stage :)
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1. An option for on screen parameter values. Values only would be fine if that's what's possible, but parameter names for the effects section would be helpful to me.
+1 for on screen parameter value and also for the name for each effect parameter.
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I was about to purchase a Take 5 but luckily I found this thread and realized it’s not possible to see on the display both current and saved values (as two numbers) when turning knobs. That’s a big no go for me. Hopefully it can be implemented through a firmware update which would make the Take 5 a guaranteed purchase for me.
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I was about to purchase a Take 5 but luckily I found this thread and realized it’s not possible to see on the display both current and saved values (as two numbers) when turning knobs. That’s a big no go for me. Hopefully it can be implemented through a firmware update which would make the Take 5 a guaranteed purchase for me.
I'm pretty sure this is a "feature".
On the Pro3 the values update live with the knobs, so the menus flip around as you change anything. This is great, but I wished they had warned us (in the manual?) that this can cause the values to update "late". This drove me crazy when I first got my Pro3! If I had known what was up I could have worked with it earlier without complaining so much.
Say you are editing a patch (on a Pro3), and you use the "Show" feature and move the big, high-res Cutoff knob* to check the Filter value (say it says 957), and you leave the knob just under half way up, where it would be, say, 483. - Then you turn off "Show" and go back to editing something else. - A little bit later the Cutoff pot might "update late"** and pop to 482!
If this happens when you are spinning an encoder (the "notched dials") above the display screen, the menu switches and you are now changing a different parameter! Which can sometimes drastically change your patch. And if you don't know what the value was, it can be hard to find the previous value.
I think they took this feature off of the Take5, as to not have this issue of flipping menus and values.
- But I do think it should be a choice (Wishlist!^) as to which way you want the interface to work.
On both the Pro3 and the Take5! (I would choose the live-update version now, even with it's issues.)
I have gotten used to usually fixing this before it happens by... (say, in the above example), get out of "Show" mode, and immediately re-set/put the cutoff value back up to 957. - Then, even if it "pops", later, to a different pot contact(?) it should only be one or two digits off (956, 958...).
Also, don't use the encoders above the display screen much. (Which is impossible when you are editing some/most sequence parameters.)
And Save Often! Especially if you are getting a really good patch.
*I think the Cutoff knob is the biggest culprit for this because it is such a high resolution potentiometer knob, but other knobs can also switch / "update late". (Amp and Filter Envelope pots, ShapeMod, Level... (?))
**An energy particle flies thru the universe, and your synth, and then a pot jumps to a different contact that it's still partially on/over, changing the parameter value.
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For me, after working over a year with the Take5 and only one real update, i decided to sell it because there are things which are going on my nerved, the synth sounds good and i had a lot of fun with it but all in all it looks to me, the synth isn't really finished...!!!
Frank
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Say you are editing a patch (on a Pro3), and you use the "Show" feature and move the big, high-res Cutoff knob to check the Filter value (say it says 957), and you leave the knob just under half way up, where it would be, say, 483. - Then you turn off "Show" and go back to editing something else. - A little bit later the Cutoff pot might "update late" and pop to 482!
That's annoying indeed. However (as a software engineer myself) I immediately see many solutions here which can also be configurable options:
- Do not show the pop-up screen when a value changes by only 1 or 2 digits (especially for the cut-off)
- Do not allow the encoders to change the value when the pop-up screen appears (after all that screen presumably appeared because you turned a pot, so why allow encoder operation for that parameter?)
- Allow for automatic disappearing of the pop-up screen (as on Novation Peak/Summit). I don't have a Pro 3, so if I got it right from your description that pop-up "Show" screen doesn't disappear by itself but needs to be explicitly closed?
- Display the "Show" pop-up screen only when you are holding, say, "compare" and at the same time turn a pot. Also, the pop-up will disappear when you release the "compare" button. Thus you can selectively invoke the "show" functionality on demand for values that you need to compare against the saved one, or just to check the actual value.
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Also, I understand that there's a very rudimentary functionality to show whether a pot you are turning matches the saved value by showing a dot in the three-digit LED display. I think this should be enhanced:
Assuming there are three dots on that display for each digit, use all three dots in combinations to to guide you in what direction you need to turn the pot to match the stored value:
_ _ . (right dot) you need to turn counter-clockwise to match the stored value
_ . . (center/right dots) you are very close to the stored value, keep turning counter-clockwise slowly
_ . _ (center dot) you have matched the stored value
. . _ (center/left dots) you are very close to the stored value, keep turning clockwise slowly
. _ _ (left dot) you need to turn clockwise to match the stored value
The current value can actually be shown temporarily on the three-digit display (and then disappear and return to the patch number after a short while. You will know that you are seeing a pot value when there are dots on the display, and patch number otherwise). Or, as with my other suggestion above, this can be shown only through button + pot combination, e.g. "compare" + pot-turn. Once you release the "compare" button the dots disappear and the display returns from showing the pot value to to the patch number.
There are basically so many ways to solve the problem and that second suggestion with the three-digit display and the dots would be almost trivial to implement since it already works in a similar, albeit simplified, way, as far as I understand.
P.S. I looked in the manual to see what the "compare" button does but I don't see it explained at all, that's funny. Anyway, I'm not sure if it's a momentary button that you need to hold to hear the stored patch or is an on/off button. I assume it's the latter. In that case holding it + turning a pot would be an intuitive way to match pot values against stored values, that's actually a "compare" functionality, so it stays true to the button name.
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- Do not allow the encoders to change the value when the pop-up screen appears (after all that screen presumably appeared because you turned a pot, so why allow encoder operation for that parameter?)
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I often use the encoders above the screen to fine tune the value though, down to the last 1 or few digits.
Unless you delay any new updates to the parameter until the next dial turn(?). - Then maybe that gets too complicated?
I do see the problem, but the solutions seem complex. (But, I'm not a programmer.)
How do the Novation synths deal with this? ...
(Oh, again, I'm on a Pro3.)
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OK, let's forget about the other complications and focus on my second proposal which I believe is clean and easy to implement:
Whenever a knob is turned, the actual value will be briefly shown on the three-digit display. After a few seconds it will resume to show the patch number. Also, use more dots in the three-digit display to visualize whether the knob value is higher or lower than the stored one.
As simple as that. Here's an example. You're currently on program 1 0 1 which is shown on the three-digit display. You start turning a knob, e.g. the filter cut-off. Let's assume the stored value is 500.
If the current cut-off value is 800, then the three-digit display will show the value and a dot on the right:
8 0 0.
If you are within close range of the stored value, two dots will be shown on the right:
5 2.0.
When you are within 1-2 digits, three dots are shown:
5.0.1.
When you are at the exact position, a middle dot is shown:
5 0. 0
Conversely:
4.9.9.
4.8.5
1.0 0
And when you stop turning the filter knob, after a few seconds the three-digit display resumes to showing the patch number 1 0 1
No dots on the display: you're seeing a patch number
One or more dots on the display: you're seeing a knob value (which will disappear in a while and resume to showing the patch number)
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I'm new to synthesis and bought the Take 5 recently, really enjoying it so far. One basic thing I'd like to see in a firmware update is the ability to save transpose settings in patches I create. It would make live performance much easier not having to worry about switching octaves for certain sounds. If there is already a way to do this I haven't found it yet. I assume it's possible since the low split feature can be saved with the patch, so hope it's an added feature soon!
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I'm new to synthesis and bought the Take 5 recently, really enjoying it so far. One basic thing I'd like to see in a firmware update is the ability to save transpose settings in patches I create. It would make live performance much easier not having to worry about switching octaves for certain sounds. If there is already a way to do this I haven't found it yet. I assume it's possible since the low split feature can be saved with the patch, so hope it's an added feature soon!
You can transpose the oscillators +/- 2 octaves in the patch. Adjust filter cutoff to correspond (if using filter key tracking), and anything else you're modulating in the matrix from note number, save patch, voila.
I don't recall any synth off the top of my head that saves the transpose setting in patches.
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I'm new to synthesis and bought the Take 5 recently, really enjoying it so far. One basic thing I'd like to see in a firmware update is the ability to save transpose settings in patches I create. It would make live performance much easier not having to worry about switching octaves for certain sounds. If there is already a way to do this I haven't found it yet. I assume it's possible since the low split feature can be saved with the patch, so hope it's an added feature soon!
You can transpose the oscillators +/- 2 octaves in the patch. Adjust filter cutoff to correspond (if using filter key tracking), and anything else you're modulating in the matrix from note number, save patch, voila.
I don't recall any synth off the top of my head that saves the transpose setting in patches.
Moog Subsequent 37 and Novation Summit both save the keyboard octave transposition settings with the patch. Very useful.
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Thanks guys for the quick responses! Yeah, I figured out the oscillator octave approach literally minutes after I sent that, tried it last night and seems to work just fine with a few adjustments.
One other possible firmware idea I have is an option to turn off sequencer looping on a program level. We have a few songs where the sequence only plays once in certain parts so it would be handy if it just stopped after one play through rather than having to turn it off manually. Then again, maybe this too can already be done and I just haven't figured it out yet...
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I received my Take 5 today, it's a great synth but you all already know it :)
Here are two things that I immediately see need an improvement:
- The "velocity" buttons on the envelopes introduce too much sensitivity when switched on. There needs to be a program setting that sets the degree. With the current level of velocity sensitivity slight touches do not produce any sound whereas a slightly higher velocity makes loud sound. That's very unnatural.
- The small red dot in the 7-segment display that is shown when a pot matches the stored value appears only when the pot is at the exact value and it's close to impossible to find where that is. It requires that you turn the pot VERY slowly and stare at the display or you are going to miss it. I have proposed earlier in this thread different variants, but let's start with something really simple:
Since there are three dots on the 7-segment display, use them to show the direction of the stored value. For instance, show the right dot when pot is higher than the stored value, show the left dot when the pot is less than the stored value and show the middle dot when the pot is at the exact value.
It would be great if the actual numeric value can be shown temporarily on the 7-segment display but let's start with the simple three-dot solution above.
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Since there are three dots on the 7-segment display, use them to show the direction of the stored value. For instance, show the right dot when pot is higher than the stored value, show the left dot when the pot is less than the stored value and show the middle dot when the pot is at the exact value.
Love this idea -- would be very helpful.
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Since there are three dots on the 7-segment display, use them to show the direction of the stored value. For instance, show the right dot when pot is higher than the stored value, show the left dot when the pot is less than the stored value and show the middle dot when the pot is at the exact value.
Love this idea -- would be very helpful.
I also like the idea but with a slight modification for simplicity.
When the pot is at the exact value, no dot at all.
So the right and left dot would be just for respectively higher and lower value than the stored value.
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I've had my Take 5 just about a year now and the only thing that REALLY steams my beans is the fact the sequencer CANNOT OUTPUT MIDI!!!! Is this an oversight or just some cruel joke?
Excuse me if my rant was out of line and repetitious but I was not about to read the whole 8 pages of this thread,
Mea Culpa :D
Gary
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I'm new to synthesis and bought the Take 5 recently, really enjoying it so far. One basic thing I'd like to see in a firmware update is the ability to save transpose settings in patches I create. It would make live performance much easier not having to worry about switching octaves for certain sounds. If there is already a way to do this I haven't found it yet. I assume it's possible since the low split feature can be saved with the patch, so hope it's an added feature soon!
You can transpose the oscillators +/- 2 octaves in the patch. Adjust filter cutoff to correspond (if using filter key tracking), and anything else you're modulating in the matrix from note number, save patch, voila.
I don't recall any synth off the top of my head that saves the transpose setting in patches.
Not to dogpile! But I have an Alesis Micron, my very first dedicated synth keyboard that I got years ago, and it does feature octave position as part of saved patches. It has to do so, as it sports not only a mere 37 keys, but also a very full-featured keyboard splitting ability. AND the ability to apply further transposition in the presets that mix different individual patches. Small unit, big features.
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I've had my Take 5 just about a year now and the only thing that REALLY steams my beans is the fact the sequencer CANNOT OUTPUT MIDI!!!! Is this an oversight or just some cruel joke?
Excuse me if my rant was out of line and repetitious but I was not about to read the whole 8 pages of this thread,
Mea Culpa :D
Gary
works for me.
from the manual..
MIDI Note Output from the Arpeggiator
The Arpeggiator outputs MIDI note messages. Any notes that you hold
on the keyboard will be arpeggiated according to the current settings of
the Arpeggiator and output over MIDI as MIDI notes. You can use this
feature to drive other MIDI-equipped devices such as synthesizers and
drum machines. To access this feature, use the midi arp notes setting in
the global menu.
To enable MIDI Note output from the Arpeggiator:
1. Press the global button, then use the select knob to locate the midi
arp notes parameter.
2. Use the value knob to select on.
To control an external MIDI device:
1. Connect the MIDI or USB output of the Take 5 to the MIDI or USB
input of the external device, depending on which type of connection
the external device requires.
2. On the Take 5, press the global button, then use the select knob to
locate the midi cable out parameter.
3. Use the value knob to select midi, usb, or all, depending on how your
Take 5 and external device are connected.
4. Press the global button again to exit the Global menu.
5. On the external device, set the the MIDI Channel and MIDI Receive
port to match the Take 5.
6. Hold down a chord on the Take 5 or start Sequencer playback. The
external device should be triggered by the arpeggiated or sequenced
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After working for a few days with the Take 5, I have a few suggestions for future firmware improvements:
- Blink the LFO shape LED with the corresponding LFO frequency, so it's easier to see the actual frequency
- When holding the "bank" button to change banks, the currently selected bank number 1-16 button should light up, so it's easier to see which bank we're currently in. This is especially important with the new extended banks that use letters
- To configure a default program to load after start-up the current shortcut it to press "global" once after a preset is loaded but this leads to unexpected activations of various presets because many people might press global for what it is: to open the global menu. This should be changed to require pressing "global" three times, as on other Sequential synths.
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I've had my Take 5 just about a year now and the only thing that REALLY steams my beans is the fact the sequencer CANNOT OUTPUT MIDI!!!! Is this an oversight or just some cruel joke?
Excuse me if my rant was out of line and repetitious but I was not about to read the whole 8 pages of this thread,
Mea Culpa :D
Gary
works for me.
from the manual..
MIDI Note Output from the Arpeggiator
The Arpeggiator outputs MIDI note messages. Any notes that you hold
on the keyboard will be arpeggiated according to the current settings of
the Arpeggiator and output over MIDI as MIDI notes. You can use this
feature to drive other MIDI-equipped devices such as synthesizers and
drum machines. To access this feature, use the midi arp notes setting in
the global menu.
To enable MIDI Note output from the Arpeggiator:
1. Press the global button, then use the select knob to locate the midi
arp notes parameter.
2. Use the value knob to select on.
To control an external MIDI device:
1. Connect the MIDI or USB output of the Take 5 to the MIDI or USB
input of the external device, depending on which type of connection
the external device requires.
2. On the Take 5, press the global button, then use the select knob to
locate the midi cable out parameter.
3. Use the value knob to select midi, usb, or all, depending on how your
Take 5 and external device are connected.
4. Press the global button again to exit the Global menu.
5. On the external device, set the the MIDI Channel and MIDI Receive
port to match the Take 5.
6. Hold down a chord on the Take 5 or start Sequencer playback. The
external device should be triggered by the arpeggiated or sequenced
Like I said, THE SEQUENCER, NOT The Arpeggiator doesn't output MIDI to my DAW.
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Like I said, THE SEQUENCER, NOT The Arpeggiator doesn't output MIDI to my DAW.
Using the latest firmware version .22 I can capture sequencer output in Logic Pro by enabling MIDI Arp Notes in the global settings. It would be more clear if the setting was named "MIDI Arp/Seq Notes" but it works for me -- what you missed in the quoted documentation was the following (emphasis mine):
6. Hold down a chord on the Take 5 or start Sequencer playback. The
external device should be triggered by the arpeggiated or sequenced
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I don't run beta firmware.
When Sequential has a release version, THEN tell me there's a fix.
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I don't run beta firmware.
When Sequential has a release version, THEN tell me there's a fix.
Have you tried it? This was already in the manual so the feature must have already been baked into the release firmware, not added by the betas. Why not check and see for yourself?
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I don't run beta firmware.
When Sequential has a release version, THEN tell me there's a fix.
Have you tried it? This was already in the manual so the feature must have already been baked into the release firmware, not added by the betas. Why not check and see for yourself?
I see nothing on Sequential's Take 5 download page yet.
Until they are confident enough in the firmware I'm certainly not going thru weekly bug updates with a beta.
Fix one thing and break three others...
Gary ;)
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I've had my Take 5 just about a year now and the only thing that REALLY steams my beans is the fact the sequencer CANNOT OUTPUT MIDI!!!! Is this an oversight or just some cruel joke?
Excuse me if my rant was out of line and repetitious but I was not about to read the whole 8 pages of this thread,
Mea Culpa :D
Gary
works for me.
from the manual..
MIDI Note Output from the Arpeggiator
The Arpeggiator outputs MIDI note messages. Any notes that you hold
on the keyboard will be arpeggiated according to the current settings of
the Arpeggiator and output over MIDI as MIDI notes. You can use this
feature to drive other MIDI-equipped devices such as synthesizers and
drum machines. To access this feature, use the midi arp notes setting in
the global menu.
To enable MIDI Note output from the Arpeggiator:
1. Press the global button, then use the select knob to locate the midi
arp notes parameter.
2. Use the value knob to select on.
To control an external MIDI device:
1. Connect the MIDI or USB output of the Take 5 to the MIDI or USB
input of the external device, depending on which type of connection
the external device requires.
2. On the Take 5, press the global button, then use the select knob to
locate the midi cable out parameter.
3. Use the value knob to select midi, usb, or all, depending on how your
Take 5 and external device are connected.
4. Press the global button again to exit the Global menu.
5. On the external device, set the the MIDI Channel and MIDI Receive
port to match the Take 5.
6. Hold down a chord on the Take 5 or start Sequencer playback. The
external device should be triggered by the arpeggiated or sequenced
Like I said, THE SEQUENCER, NOT The Arpeggiator doesn't output MIDI to my DAW.
Oh dear - are you ok, fella?
Read what I posted - works with the Arp and the sequencer and does not require beta software.
Would it help if I typed it out in uppercase?
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I don't run beta firmware.
When Sequential has a release version, THEN tell me there's a fix.
Have you tried it? This was already in the manual so the feature must have already been baked into the release firmware, not added by the betas. Why not check and see for yourself?
I see nothing on Sequential's Take 5 download page yet.
Until they are confident enough in the firmware I'm certainly not going thru weekly bug updates with a beta.
Fix one thing and break three others...
Gary ;)
Sorry, I meant the feature, not the beta.
Totally respect the idea of waiting until an official release.
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I don't run beta firmware.
When Sequential has a release version, THEN tell me there's a fix.
The beta releases are the most stable, feature rich versions of OS for Seq instruments. As long as it has been out 1-2 weeks, you're safe... ie: it can be treated like an official release version.
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Swing settings for the arpeggiator and sequencer would be nice. I used to have a Prophet 08 and the way it was implemented on that synth worked pretty nicely
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Hi
It would be nice to have a sequencer randomizer plus per step playback parameter for the sequencer with percentage 0-100% and divisions to create variations on the fly (like on the analog four) that would be amazing.
another question: since beta version is now at 22 is there a separate bug thread? Ive seen some small threads talking about bugs but no main bug thread. (overview)
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For all Sequential / OB synths : a backup/restore like a usb memory stick (like Roland Boutique synths, rhythm boxes, grooveboxes etc.) would be great.
Just copy / paste, would be much more reliable than sysex
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I don't believe this has been mentioned before, but it would be cool to be able to record knob changes using the on-board sequencer, useful for sequences and for adding some animation to a given patch.
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Where are we on firmware updates, anyway? .22 has been out since mid-November -- should we expect another build before an official release?
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and option for Glissando a “stepped” glide, rather than
providing a smooth glide :)
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Another feature sported by the Alesis Micron that I think really rips for a performance-oriented keyboard:
Pitch Bend affects ALL notes vs Pitch Bend affects only HELD notes
The Micron's Latch button is a lot like the Take 5's Hold button. Usage scenario: I want to make a drone sound by playing B, F#, and B (octave up). Press Hold, then release the Bs. Still holding the F#, I would bend it up or down up to a whole step while the Bs stay constant.
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Another feature sported by the Alesis Micron that I think really rips for a performance-oriented keyboard:
Pitch Bend affects ALL notes vs Pitch Bend affects only HELD notes
The Micron's Latch button is a lot like the Take 5's Hold button. Usage scenario: I want to make a drone sound by playing B, F#, and B (octave up). Press Hold, then release the Bs. Still holding the F#, I would bend it up or down up to a whole step while the Bs stay constant.
I like that!
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Got another one based on a recent thread about stereo delay!
An option to enable ping-pong when stereo mode is enabled. Not everyone will want ping-pong all the time, but some will. Many will.
Also... whether or not this is based on precedent, I think it's sort of antiquated to force the performer to manually switch from mono to stereo when choosing to use both outputs. My mid-2000s Alesis Micron, among a thousand other brands & makes of synthesizer, features auto-stereo by plugging something into the right channel. Also that Cathedral pedal, pretty old and also tiny. Idunno if soldering has to happen to enable that, but it really shouldn't. Let's get this puppy up to date.
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Version 2.0 - Great update! Thanks Seq team! ;D
https://www.sequential.com/take-5-v2-update/
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Version 2.0 - Great update! Thanks Seq team! ;D
https://www.sequential.com/take-5-v2-update/
Excellent news! Excited to hear the patches that take advantage of the new features!
For those who can't wait, the music in this video used sounds from the news sound set:
https://youtu.be/JlZRga0PxCs
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Hi,
I installed the update via Sysex Librarian. After power on:
My Take 5 is frozen;
My Take 5 Display only shows "Take 5"
and nothing goes on.
Please help.
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Hi,
I installed the update via Sysex Librarian. After power on:
My Take 5 is frozen;
My Take 5 Display only shows "Take 5"
and nothing goes on.
Please help.
sounds a bit like a similar problem I had on the PRO3:
sometimes the octave knob is stuck in an in-between position, when I turn it, the synth comes to life.
so wiggle every endless encoder you have on the take 5 - hope this helps
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Hi,
I installed the update via Sysex Librarian. After power on:
My Take 5 is frozen;
My Take 5 Display only shows "Take 5"
and nothing goes on.
Please help.
That's one I'd contact support about, they're very responsive. Good luck!
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Great to see the option for the pedal to start the seq
all I wish now is for a sostenuto ( to be able to play solo on top of sustained notes)
Happy easter synth times ;D
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Wow what an Amazing Support.
Thank you Sequential (Gabby).
The Update works fine.
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- Display the value on screen while moving a knob. This is already implemented for the LFO amount knob while the matrix is on display. Please do this for all knobs and also display their stored value, ideally in a graphical way, so that pot mode passthru becomes much more useful helping us understand how the active patch/preset was made.
- Please make HOLD + "Relatch On" available outside of ARP mode.
- While holding BANK the LED of the currently selected bank number should light up instead of the selected patch number.
Thank you so much for this awesome synth!