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Title: P10/5 rev4 vs Moog one for Vintage kind of sound
Post by: kyps on January 15, 2021, 09:44:09 AM
Hey there,

I'm sorry to ask this, but there is... I'm in big hesitation between both... I'm looking for a vintage sound and i've heard some people told me that the moog one can be vintage as the p10/5 and others people told me, the moog one will not be good as the p10 for the vintage sound...

When i check the video on YT, i can heard that the p10 sound more powerfull than the moog one... Also, it look like the p10/5 have more character

I have a great deal actually to get a moog one 16 voices for 6000k euros brand news but i every video for the moog one have effect effect effect....

The + for the moog is :
16 voices
multitymbrality
4 lfo
octave knob

The + for p10
sound


But sound for me is 80%...


Someone here have both please ? I need your help ...
Please dont hate me, i just want to someone can help me :)
Title: Re: P10/5 rev4 vs Moog one for Vintage kind of sound
Post by: LPF83 on January 15, 2021, 10:22:32 AM
Hey there,

I'm sorry to ask this, but there is... I'm in big hesitation between both... I'm looking for a vintage sound and i've heard some people told me that the moog one can be vintage as the p10/5 and others people told me, the moog one will not be good as the p10 for the vintage sound...

When i check the video on YT, i can heard that the p10 sound more powerfull than the moog one... Also, it look like the p10/5 have more character

I have a great deal actually to get a moog one 16 voices for 6000k euros brand news but i every video for the moog one have effect effect effect....

The + for the moog is :
16 voices
multitymbrality
4 lfo
octave knob

The + for p10
sound


But sound for me is 80%...


Someone here have both please ? I need your help ...
Please dont hate me, i just want to someone can help me :)

I don't own a Moog One, but keep in mind a LOT of vintage music uses the P5/10 sound, and the Moog One is a modern synthesizer that did not exist when that music was written.  That is not to say that a Moog One isn't capable of sounding vintage, it's just to say that it isn't meant to be a recreation of a vintage synth as the P5/10 are.
Title: Re: P10/5 rev4 vs Moog one for Vintage kind of sound
Post by: soundsubs on January 15, 2021, 10:32:53 AM
This is a complex answer, and is subject to taste. They are both amazing on their own, and fit into a mix.

I'll let my programming talk instead of typing.
That way you can hear for yourself if the sounds fit your style!
About a month with the Prophet-10:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWad1HfRqRA

A years worth of presets from the Moog One:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EytmBBjFlRo
Title: Re: P10/5 rev4 vs Moog one for Vintage kind of sound
Post by: kyps on January 15, 2021, 10:37:32 AM
Thanks for your answer, i see...

Do you have a trick to get "key transpose" on the p10 ?
Title: Re: P10/5 rev4 vs Moog one for Vintage kind of sound
Post by: jok3r on January 15, 2021, 10:49:50 AM
But sound for me is 80%...

So you already got your answer... I learned this myself recently. If this is the sound you're after, then get it. You can achieve 19 out of 20 of the remaining % with gear like LFOs or envelopes that control a midi CC value (from your DAW or external boxes like those existing for P6/OB6) and external effects (from DAW or hardware solutions from Strymon, Eventide, etc. ... ).

If I could afford it, I would buy the P10 in an instant. The Moog One is also an absolute dream synth and I always dreamed of having one. I had always great fun and loved the sound... but not as much as I love the sound of Prophets, Oberheims or (to have an example from the same company) the Matriarch which is the most vintage sounding synth from Moog for my ears. So I would rather buy a P10 and an OB-6 for less than the price of a Moog One. In your case with this deal running, I would say a P10 + Matriarch or a P10 + Rev2. The Rev2 can give you a lot of the features you are missing... not all, but a lot.

Title: Re: P10/5 rev4 vs Moog one for Vintage kind of sound
Post by: HockeBocke on January 15, 2021, 11:01:15 AM
Thanks for your answer, i see...

Do you have a trick to get "key transpose" on the p10 ?


Press "Global" once ( yellow light )  Press "Transpose"  ( first button in memory bank )
Press + or - to select key ......

Cheers !
Title: Re: P10/5 rev4 vs Moog one for Vintage kind of sound
Post by: LPF83 on January 15, 2021, 03:27:19 PM
So I would rather buy a P10 and an OB-6 for less than the price of a Moog One. In your case with this deal running, I would say a P10 + Matriarch or a P10 + Rev2. The Rev2 can give you a lot of the features you are missing... not all, but a lot.

These would be great combinations; another possibility that would keep things in the $6,500 US range (about the price of an undiscounted 8-voice Moog One) would be a P10 keyboard + P6 module.  Many might believe having both the P10 and P6 is too much of sameness, due to some videos that embark on intentionally making the two synths sound very similar, but the reality is they both have a massive range (despite seemingly limited controls), and sound beautiful and diverse when played together.

In fact, if I were REALLY trying to squeeze out bang for the buck, here's an idea still coming in at $6,800, featuring tri-timbrality and 27 voices of polyphony :)     
Rev2 16 voice keyboard $2000 +     Prophet 5 Rev 4 Module $2500 +  OB-6 module $2300
Title: Re: P10/5 rev4 vs Moog one for Vintage kind of sound
Post by: jok3r on January 15, 2021, 03:34:31 PM
Rev2 16 voice keyboard $2000 +     Prophet 5 Rev 4 Module $2500 +  OB-6 module $2300

That sounds like a pretty good idea to me... Prophet 5 and OB-6 modules for sound and Rev2 for complexity and very nice 61 note Fatar keybed and wheels.
Title: Re: P10/5 rev4 vs Moog one for Vintage kind of sound
Post by: LPF83 on January 15, 2021, 04:33:39 PM
Rev2 16 voice keyboard $2000 +     Prophet 5 Rev 4 Module $2500 +  OB-6 module $2300

That sounds like a pretty good idea to me... Prophet 5 and OB-6 modules for sound and Rev2 for complexity and very nice 61 note Fatar keybed and wheels.

Yes, the keys of the Rev2 and the P10 are very similar -- I feel slightly more tension on the Rev2, the black keys on the P10 are a little more matte than gloss (I think this was an intentional and brilliant design choice toward retaining the vintage look), and I could be wrong but some very minor dimensional differences in the black keys, presumably to preserve the exact feel of the original....but otherwise hard to distinguish.   There is something about the wood on the P10 KB that inspires music creation though!  For that reason, I've made it my main (hardware) keyboard, with the P6 just below it, Rev2 just above it, OB6 above the Rev2.  Does anyone know if the new Rev4 modules retain the knob size of the keyboard?  There is definitely something about having those big knobs on the main controller....  yet at the same time the knobs of the others get the job done too.

Oh, and I forgot, QUAD timbrality with the $6500 setup mentioned above, basically two 8 voice synths inside the Rev2 depending on how one wants to use them.
Title: Re: P10/5 rev4 vs Moog one for Vintage kind of sound
Post by: kyps on January 15, 2021, 05:27:58 PM
first of all,
thank you for your very constructive messages,
I love smart forums where we can talk quietly, i really appreciate, so thank you

I had in the past the rev2 and sold it for the prophet 6 but i found the sound to "much modern", i have the ob6 and i really love it ! it impressed me a lot ! !

I had the one for few days to try it, but dont got enough time to play with, but when i compared to the ob6, i was not impressed about the moog one as the ob6

Sequential will tease a new synth in the next month... "OB-x" i think, so, i'm thinking about two options :
1-get prophet 10 and oberheim OB-X ( and probably sell the ob6 module)

2-or get 3 synth in one with the one, but havn't found any impressive video
(OB6 impressed me a lot)
Every video got a lot of effect... That's hard to define how vintage sound is capable the moog one...

Also, i hesitate because i've found the moog one out of tune in lower note, but as a "vintage" style, and had some "bug" into the OS...

The best would be to get both... But i cant ! ! ! :( :(

Title: Re: P10/5 rev4 vs Moog one for Vintage kind of sound
Post by: A Thousand Eyes on January 15, 2021, 06:48:21 PM
I would say the P5/P10 rev 4 have the edge in raw sound, but they're incredibly well behaved as well. With the vintage knob making its way over to the P6/OB-6, I wouldn't justify dumping either in favor of the P5&10/OB-X for those who already own those. When I think of vintage, I think of Switched-On Bach, thus the Grandmother/Matriarch are to my ears the most vintage sounding synths currently on the market. A lot of synths people covet such as the Jupiter 8 were also incredibly well behaved. The Memorymoog is the poly synth that strikes me as the most "vintage" even though it has the same VCO chips that are in the P5 rev 3/4. Almost like you're flirting with beautiful disaster with every chord played.
Title: Re: P10/5 rev4 vs Moog one for Vintage kind of sound
Post by: LPF83 on January 16, 2021, 04:12:06 PM
Thanks for your answer, i see...

Do you have a trick to get "key transpose" on the p10 ?


Press "Global" once ( yellow light )  Press "Transpose"  ( first button in memory bank )
Press + or - to select key ......

Cheers !

Would love to see a shortcut for transpose a full octave up and down.  Right now my work around is to just switch to my master MIDI controller (also 61 keys but has transpose buttons) when I need to do it quickly.
Title: Re: P10/5 rev4 vs Moog one for Vintage kind of sound
Post by: Analog Prophet on January 17, 2021, 02:22:47 AM
The P5 is as simple as great sounding classic instrument. The Moog One is a complex great sounding modern instrument. I had the Moog One in mind before the P5 rev 4 appeared. The Moog One is a very competent sound tool for all kind of analog sound. But my intention is classic sound so I bought the P5. I wish I had them booth as they are great in different ways.
Title: Re: P10/5 rev4 vs Moog one for Vintage kind of sound
Post by: HockeBocke on January 17, 2021, 02:29:40 AM
Thanks for your answer, i see...

Do you have a trick to get "key transpose" on the p10 ?


Press "Global" once ( yellow light )  Press "Transpose"  ( first button in memory bank )
Press + or - to select key ......

Cheers !

Would love to see a shortcut for transpose a full octave up and down.  Right now my work around is to just switch to my master MIDI controller (also 61 keys but has transpose buttons) when I need to do it quickly.



One possible way is to copy the sound to the next program ( example 1 -> 2 or 5 -> 6 ) and then tune the
OSC 1 and OSC 2 up or down one octave and press "Save / Store".  Then just switch between the 2 programs   :)
Another way is to use the Pitch Wheel set to full octave, but that of course only works if your left hand is free to do
that and not busy playing bass notes   :P

Cheers !
Title: Re: P10/5 rev4 vs Moog one for Vintage kind of sound
Post by: redonyellow on January 23, 2021, 12:29:42 AM
I was just fiddling with my prophet 5 and RE-501, I got a pretty sweet vintage-y kind of sound. Here is a link https://soundcloud.com/redonyellow-1/played-on-prophet-5-with-echo (https://soundcloud.com/redonyellow-1/played-on-prophet-5-with-echo)
Title: Re: P10/5 rev4 vs Moog one for Vintage kind of sound
Post by: Analog Prophet on January 23, 2021, 01:48:43 AM
I was just fiddling with my prophet 5 and RE-501, I got a pretty sweet vintage-y kind of sound. Here is a link https://soundcloud.com/redonyellow-1/played-on-prophet-5-with-echo (https://soundcloud.com/redonyellow-1/played-on-prophet-5-with-echo)

I absolutely love that sound! To me it sounds older than the Prophet is, a vibe of the 70s, but thatís even better in my ears. After heard this Im inspired to try my P5 rev 4 with my Roland RE-201.

At the moment Iím in the process to make something ďvintageĒ sounding (cause I am vintage 😉) as well. Normally I write mainly ambient (and for that purpose I think the Moog One is perfectly suited) but this it went uptempo - the Prophet 5 asked for it:

https://youtu.be/_RkPaJI48aA
Title: Re: P10/5 rev4 vs Moog one for Vintage kind of sound
Post by: Mr Kay on January 23, 2021, 06:46:00 AM
'Tried the Moog One, 'don't remember 8 or 16 voices, put it sounded "modern" compared to the impressions I had with the Grandmother or the 2016's Model D.

But that's the limitation with a poly synth : the more voices you have, the more thin each voice have to sound, otherwise, that's an awful mess...
Title: Re: P10/5 rev4 vs Moog one for Vintage kind of sound
Post by: redonyellow on January 23, 2021, 01:04:24 PM
I was just fiddling with my prophet 5 and RE-501, I got a pretty sweet vintage-y kind of sound. Here is a link https://soundcloud.com/redonyellow-1/played-on-prophet-5-with-echo (https://soundcloud.com/redonyellow-1/played-on-prophet-5-with-echo)

I absolutely love that sound! To me it sounds older than the Prophet is, a vibe of the 70s, but thatís even better in my ears. After heard this Im inspired to try my P5 rev 4 with my Roland RE-201.

At the moment Iím in the process to make something ďvintageĒ sounding (cause I am vintage 😉) as well. Normally I write mainly ambient (and for that purpose I think the Moog One is perfectly suited) but this it went uptempo - the Prophet 5 asked for it:

https://youtu.be/_RkPaJI48aA

Thanks!! I am finding lots and lots of warm fuzzy sounds that I really enjoy. The RE-501 opens the stereo range and it works really well with it.

Holy smokes you have some amazing synths! I am glad you are putting it to good use.
Title: Re: P10/5 rev4 vs Moog one for Vintage kind of sound
Post by: LPF83 on January 26, 2021, 07:46:17 AM
Of interest:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=as_9gXZgC_U
Title: Re: P10/5 rev4 vs Moog one for Vintage kind of sound
Post by: SynthHead on January 28, 2021, 05:03:42 PM
On the above post (not that annoying t&t from andertons but further up seperate vids) comparing P5/10 with Moog One - the Prophet sounds gorgeous, like a real vintage analog.

The Moog One sounds like a VA, and further... all the features in the world won't stop it feeling like a chore to work with (that computer screen built in.. YUCK!).

Prophet all day every day. Moog One is nothing, just spec in a box (like andromeda was.. another super synth on paper with mediocre sound). Prophet 5/10 is the synth that has already proven itself in the field of sound for decades.

Title: Re: P10/5 rev4 vs Moog one for Vintage kind of sound
Post by: LPF83 on January 29, 2021, 05:18:24 AM
On the above post (not that annoying t&t from andertons but further up seperate vids) comparing P5/10 with Moog One - the Prophet sounds gorgeous, like a real vintage analog.

The Moog One sounds like a VA, and further... all the features in the world won't stop it feeling like a chore to work with (that computer screen built in.. YUCK!).

Prophet all day every day. Moog One is nothing, just spec in a box (like andromeda was.. another super synth on paper with mediocre sound). Prophet 5/10 is the synth that has already proven itself in the field of sound for decades.

Another issue is that to compare the Rev4 to Moog One, FX should really be turned off on the Moog One.
But I think Jack is looking at it from a "which synth to buy" perspective since they sell both, and what would the experience be for a buyer that walked into a brick and mortar store and just turned both of them on.


Title: Re: P10/5 rev4 vs Moog one for Vintage kind of sound
Post by: Analog Prophet on January 31, 2021, 01:44:42 AM
Of interest:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=as_9gXZgC_U

Great comparison to catch the sound character of the two beasts. Its easy to imagine how the P5/10 can sound with some reverb etc added so it was great as presented. To me the Prophet has THAT sound. Possible I will end up with a Moog One (16 voices) in the future as planned but not sure I want to spend all that money for something that will be in the shadow of my P5 rev 4.

If Dave Smith will make an OB-X (the name has recently been patented by Sequential) in the price range of a P5/10 it will be more interesting to me than the Moog One. And if just dreaming out of the blue: If Moog decide to make a Memorymoog Reissue (havenít heard any such rumors) in the same price range as P5/10 (but not in the price range of Moog One) that would be something. Still the Prophet 5 rev 4 is my analog poly king.
Title: Re: P10/5 rev4 vs Moog one for Vintage kind of sound
Post by: taichber on February 05, 2021, 12:09:49 PM

I have a great deal actually to get a moog one 16 voices for 6000k euros brand news but i every video for the moog one have effect effect effect....

I have a P10 since yesterday and love. But I'm planning the Moog One as well later (once the tuning in the lower octaves is sorted.
Where did you find a Moog One 16 for 6000K Ä? This is very good price.
Title: Re: P10/5 rev4 vs Moog one for Vintage kind of sound
Post by: Quatschmacher on February 05, 2021, 09:08:12 PM

I have a great deal actually to get a moog one 16 voices for 6000k euros brand news but i every video for the moog one have effect effect effect....

I have a P10 since yesterday and love. But I'm planning the Moog One as well later (once the tuning in the lower octaves is sorted.
Where did you find a Moog One 16 for 6000K Ä? This is very good price.

Bax had the Moog One 16 for about £5400 on black Friday.
Title: Re: P10/5 rev4 vs Moog one for Vintage kind of sound
Post by: taichber on February 06, 2021, 01:16:16 PM

I have a great deal actually to get a moog one 16 voices for 6000k euros brand news but i every video for the moog one have effect effect effect....

I have a P10 since yesterday and love it. But I'm planning to buy the Moog One as well later (once the tuning in the lower octaves is sorted).
Where did you find a Moog One 16 for 6000K €? This is a very good price.

Bax had the Moog One 16 for about £5400 on black Friday.

Thanks. Maybe by this years black Friday they have fixed the tuning issues and a few other bugs.
Title: Re: P10/5 rev4 vs Moog one for Vintage kind of sound
Post by: AlakaLazlo on February 09, 2021, 06:50:00 PM
I have a Moog One 16v and an OB6 desktop.  They compliment each other very nicely. I may get a P5 Desktop at some point in the future to round out the set. They each have a distinctive character and I never found it all that useful to say A is better than B. They are different and sound is largely subjective. 

I'm planning the Moog One as well later (once the tuning in the lower octaves is sorted.

Moog came up with a tuning routine that worked the "bugs" out of the lower register tuning issue a while back. My opinion is that the new tuning (that you can turn off in the settings menu) made it a bit sterile sounding, but if you know how to use the mod matrix, you can add back some "slop" and then the thing is just plain glorious. The One is absolutely my desert island synth today.

I got my first Oby in the 70s (an FVS1), owned a very early P5 and later an OBX. I still have a vintage SEM that I modularized with a custom PS and a 5U panel.  I LOVE the Oby character.  I'm really impressed with the new P5/P10 synths. They really do have the character of the old P5s and I'd much rather have one of these than a vintage P5.
Title: Re: P10/5 rev4 vs Moog one for Vintage kind of sound
Post by: ddp on February 10, 2021, 11:59:14 PM
I'm fortunate to have both a One and a P10, and the way I would say it is, that I'd be elated with either on a desert island.
Title: Re: P10/5 rev4 vs Moog one for Vintage kind of sound
Post by: taichber on February 11, 2021, 12:58:28 PM

I'm planning the Moog One as well later (once the tuning in the lower octaves is sorted.

Moog came up with a tuning routine that worked the "bugs" out of the lower register tuning issue a while back. My opinion is that the new tuning (that you can turn off in the settings menu) made it a bit sterile sounding, but if you know how to use the mod matrix, you can add back some "slop" and then the thing is just plain glorious. The One is absolutely my desert island synth today.

I should have said I already had a Moog One. I've got a brand new Moog One 16 before Christmas.
But after 4 weeks I've sent it back with a heavy heart within return period.
It was a difficult decision and not easy to send it back...

I'm my view the tuning is not fixed. Moog came up with a work around. There is a calibration routine which measures all 48 OSCs and stores the deviation on the voice boards. Once you activate tuning compensation the OSCs are tuned in realtime. At least this is my understanding how works. With compensation the tuning is perfekt but I could hear it working in the lower notes. Don't know you to describe how it sounds (slight warble?). I did not use it. Sounded better without.
The latest firmware upgrade was 06/2020. I don't know how it takes to get this sorted. The synth is on the market since 2018. The noise floor (master volume over 1 o clock) and the 5 fans also bothered me a bit.

But the sound, flexibility and user interface is superb!!!
i really miss the synth and contemplating if/when I should buy one again. Maybe after the next major firmware upgrade or even a hardware revision (I guess this will not happen)...

The P10 and the other hand was love from the beginning. I knew from the first second this is a keeper.

I think these 2 synths are too different to compare. If the primary focus is a straight forward raw, full vintage tone the P10 is the better choice in my view.

Title: Re: P10/5 rev4 vs Moog one for Vintage kind of sound
Post by: napje on February 12, 2021, 01:48:51 AM
If you just want to switch on your synth, grab a few knobs and get beautiful lush vintage style sounds out of it, the Prophet-10 is easily the best choice. It's one big sweet spot oozing with charisma and character.

The Moog One can do pretty much anything, including sounding vintage, but you'll really have to work for it as its 'core sound' is rather flat and you have to know what you're doing to make it sing.
Title: Re: P10/5 rev4 vs Moog one for Vintage kind of sound
Post by: taichber on February 12, 2021, 11:09:26 AM
If you just want to switch on your synth, grab a few knobs and get beautiful lush vintage style sounds out of it, the Prophet-10 is easily the best choice. It's one big sweet spot oozing with charisma and character.

The Moog One can do pretty much anything, including sounding vintage, but you'll really have to work for it as its 'core sound' is rather flat and you have to know what you're doing to make it sing.

+1
Title: Re: P10/5 rev4 vs Moog one for Vintage kind of sound
Post by: Qwave on February 13, 2021, 01:58:27 AM
If you just want to switch on your synth, grab a few knobs and get beautiful lush vintage style sounds out of it, the Prophet-10 is easily the best choice. It's one big sweet spot oozing with charisma and character.

The Moog One can do pretty much anything, including sounding vintage, but you'll really have to work for it as its 'core sound' is rather flat and you have to know what you're doing to make it sing.

As a Moog One 16 and a Prophet-10 Rev 4 owner I agree 100%.
Title: Re: P10/5 rev4 vs Moog one for Vintage kind of sound
Post by: kyps on February 14, 2021, 12:07:54 PM
Hi guys
So, Iíve decided to return my Moog one and buy the p10,

I think itís the best choice Iíve ever done

The sound quality of the p10 is monstrous

I was not impressed from my Moog one, instead of the p10, the first note Iíve played, I was really impressed

Itís sound that Dave put his heart on it

 

Title: Re: P10/5 rev4 vs Moog one for Vintage kind of sound
Post by: napje on February 16, 2021, 02:25:59 AM
I've got both. Love them both. They excel at different things. The Prophet-10 is lush and generous and almost always sounds great. The Moog One is a lab for engineering complex or heavily modulated analog sounds you can't get anywhere else. The Prophet-10 is a real player's synth, the Moog One a sound designer's dream.
Title: Re: P10/5 rev4 vs Moog one for Vintage kind of sound
Post by: MARTELLO on March 19, 2021, 10:33:02 AM
Hi:
i've m one 16, and the p5 rev 4;

Two impossible to comparate synths to me :)
They are on two extremes of the poly synth history, in terms of feature but very different also in terms of price :)

One is a super complex deep monster moog, the P5 a basic beautiful and iconic super simple synth.

So if you are attracted to just "vintage" stuff get the p5 or the p10.
Is very easy to edit, basic and amazing wonderful tone whatever you twist the knob.

Moog one is not for everybody, is yet not ready and a developing beast; is a very DEEP synth and VERY difficult to make plays very good - and when you get it is STUNNING and something never heard before - but if i could choose between the two i'll go with the one for sure.
You can tweak the response under to your fingers in a incredible way. To me is like to play a Grand Concert Piano but is a synth, a Grand Synth :) And it cost a lot more than the P5 or P10 ( i mean the 16v is 8.3k euro in Italy)

I love them both a LOT but P5 is for immediacy, the One for something unexplored and for the incredible deep in tweak mods detalis under your fingers.
Check my video at the link with the moog one with no fx patch :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnVD4dxUX7I&ab_channel=MassimoMartellotta

I've the prophet rev2 16v too that for me is like a hybrid between the p5 approach and the moog one approach ( i LOVE it too )

Cheers :)






Hey there,

I'm sorry to ask this, but there is... I'm in big hesitation between both... I'm looking for a vintage sound and i've heard some people told me that the moog one can be vintage as the p10/5 and others people told me, the moog one will not be good as the p10 for the vintage sound...

When i check the video on YT, i can heard that the p10 sound more powerfull than the moog one... Also, it look like the p10/5 have more character

I have a great deal actually to get a moog one 16 voices for 6000k euros brand news but i every video for the moog one have effect effect effect....

The + for the moog is :
16 voices
multitymbrality
4 lfo
octave knob

The + for p10
sound


But sound for me is 80%...


Someone here have both please ? I need your help ...
Please dont hate me, i just want to someone can help me :)