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OTHER DISCUSSIONS => General Synthesis => Off Topic => Topic started by: Sacred Synthesis on January 09, 2020, 07:14:28 AM
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Sequential has been so very quiet this past year or so, since the release of the Prophet XL. This is the longest period of taciturnity in my memory. The long-time forum members will recall how excitedly chatty this period of time used to be years ago, especially on the previous forum.
Considering that NAMM begins one week from today, I'm wondering what tidbits of information folks have picked up. I'm presuming and hoping that a Pro 3 is about to be announced.
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I’ve been holding off on a poly purchase in the hope of there being something forthcoming, though the Pro3 moniker suggests it might be mono/paraphonic. I’m still excited.
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In light of the recent popularity of paraphony, I suppose we won't see another monophonic instrument, strictly speaking. But the monophonic mode on a paraphonic instrument is fine. I'd be happy to see Sequential return to it for one synthesizer. Then again, perhaps they'll surprise us with something more Pro One-ish.
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A lot has already been announced or released in the meantime. Synths like the Hydrasynth, the Argon8 by Modal Electronics, and the Super 6 come to mind. Generally, it seems that digital hardware synths are coming back again. And as of this week Korg has been busy with announcements, particularly with regard to the Wavestate and presumably a full-sized ARP 2600 tomorrow.
And there's an ever-growing Sequential speculation thread on GS that features lots of kazoos. ;D
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Leaked images of Korg's ARP 2600: https://www.matrixsynth.com/2020/01/first-demo-video-pics-of-new-korg-arp.html
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xDqV6Gl9OAI/XhecxVLeDcI/AAAAAAAM4z8/_mSdSGEwoh87VLqhOugRSi-_K8zmWRzeACNcBGAsYHQ/s1600/1.jpg)
A bit weird to see a brand-new ARP 2600. It's the duophonic keyboard version and it's said to feature aftertouch as well. Looks like this won't be a low bugdet instrument.
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To be honestly, I don’t expect to see a new synth at Namm from Sequential. I think the market is a bit saturated it right now and whatever else is missing from their catalog currently (Wavetable, fm, paraphony etc) are already being catered to by other synth manufacturers. Dave isn’t stupid, there’s no sense in him releasing something that will get lost in the shuffle or won’t stand out. Would a Pro 3 really make an impact right in the current market? Would a Prophet 12 successor? Or would they simply just be an afterthought. Look at Novation’s Summit. When that came out people were really interested, and then the HydraSynth came out of nowhere and stole its thunder, then the Modal Argon 8 was thrown into the mix around the same time and now Korg released the Wavestate....now the Summit suddenly just became an afterthought. Even at a music store recently I mentioned it and the rep said “I totally forgot about it.”
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Well, there's certainly more competition around, but that trend has been growing over a couple of years now. With the sheer analog revival being over on a broader scale and more and more manufacturers moving into the digital or hybrid realm, niches will remain for everyone, though.
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Special edition? I hope that means another graffiti edition.
(https://gsfanatic.com/aas_hirdetes_temp/pic/1477956_wavestat.jpg)
I'm okay with a paraphonic kazoo as well…
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I'm okay with a paraphonic kazoo as well…
Ha! ;D
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Hmmm it's likely the Pro 3 but not sure how that would compare to the Summit....
Unless...the Pro 3 trademark was a big swerve!
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Hmmm it's likely the Pro 3 but not sure how that would compare to the Summit....
Unless...the Pro 3 trademark was a big swerve!
The trademark could have been a protective action... i.e. trademark a name you may continue to develop in the future as a way to protect against someone else using it. Not a very common legal move, but you see it from time to time.
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Hmmm it's likely the Pro 3 but not sure how that would compare to the Summit....
Unless...the Pro 3 trademark was a big swerve!
The trademark could have been a protective action... i.e. trademark a name you may continue to develop in the future as a way to protect against someone else using it. Not a very common legal move, but you see it from time to time.
Very true. I've actually noticed in happen quite frequently now in the pro wrestling world. A lot of the wrestlers and companies are trademarking catchphrases, ring names, PPV names, etc
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Leaked images of Korg's ARP 2600: https://www.matrixsynth.com/2020/01/first-demo-video-pics-of-new-korg-arp.html
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xDqV6Gl9OAI/XhecxVLeDcI/AAAAAAAM4z8/_mSdSGEwoh87VLqhOugRSi-_K8zmWRzeACNcBGAsYHQ/s1600/1.jpg)
A bit weird to see a brand-new ARP 2600. It's the duophonic keyboard version and it's said to feature aftertouch as well. Looks like this won't be a low bugdet instrument.
I'm speechless. And it has full-sized keys. I'm doubly speechless. But the blue chatter claims it will have a limited run of 400 units.
And how interesting that this video should appear now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Sc_jNtc80A
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Leaked images of Korg's ARP 2600: https://www.matrixsynth.com/2020/01/first-demo-video-pics-of-new-korg-arp.html
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xDqV6Gl9OAI/XhecxVLeDcI/AAAAAAAM4z8/_mSdSGEwoh87VLqhOugRSi-_K8zmWRzeACNcBGAsYHQ/s1600/1.jpg)
A bit weird to see a brand-new ARP 2600. It's the duophonic keyboard version and it's said to feature aftertouch as well. Looks like this won't be a low bugdet instrument.
I'm speechless. And it has full-sized keys. I'm doubly speechless. But the blue chatter claims it will have a limited run of 400 units.
And how interesting that this video should appear now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Sc_jNtc80A
And this one https://youtu.be/Njml1KWqtck
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One can only hope...
https://youtu.be/lPEbXTk8RAk
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I'm speechless. And it has full-sized keys. I'm doubly speechless. But the blue chatter claims it will have a limited run of 400 units.
I figured this would call your attention. It'll be 4 grand, though. There are rumors and renderings of a smaller version around which supposedly features 37 keys and a smaller panel. The name affix "FS" might also indicate that there's going to be a scaled down and more affordable version at some point.
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One can only hope...
https://youtu.be/lPEbXTk8RAk
That's probably unlikely. Not that we didn't see any larger synths in recent months and years, but I think this size would be a bit over the top in the current market, especially since you can have splits and layers with one keyboard. Plus: reissues have never been DSI's/Sequential's thing.
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To garner that kind of response, one would think it's a VS successor ... perhaps with true wavetables and/or linear FM in conjunction with some kind of vector ofc. Could also be a Poly Evolver successor with true wavetables and maybe VCOs. I don't see anything on the market like any of those, nor have I ever seen anyone attempt a knobby fully fledged FM synth (that is if it's even practical enough to do ergonomically). Also, Dave is in the business of you know, selling gear, which is predicated on having exciting (I.E. fresh) products to sell. Going over a year with nothing to show for a company that could use visibility is not the most strategic move, otherwise money is allocated elsewhere. For instance, I already pre-ordered the successor to Dave's Korg excursion, which I might have to cancel if there's actually something in the pipeline from Sequential that's as great as this Lars chap seems to think. Though for me personally, that wouldn't be a Pro-3.
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I'm speechless. And it has full-sized keys. I'm doubly speechless. But the blue chatter claims it will have a limited run of 400 units.
I figured this would call your attention. It'll be 4 grand, though.
Yeah, I figured at least $3,000. But I'll be happy just knowing there are 400 brand new ARP 2600s somewhere out there in the world.
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To garner that kind of response, one would think it's a VS successor ... perhaps with true wavetables and/or linear FM in conjunction with some kind of vector ofc. Could also be a Poly Evolver successor with true wavetables and maybe VCOs.
It's not impossible. Stranger things are happening these days. Who could have predicted the Rev2?
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To garner that kind of response, one would think it's a VS successor ... perhaps with true wavetables and/or linear FM in conjunction with some kind of vector ofc. Could also be a Poly Evolver successor with true wavetables and maybe VCOs.
It's not impossible. Stranger things are happening these days. Who could have predicted the Rev2?
I SO hope it’s not. My wallet needs a break from new synths. But a modern VS could be irresistible.
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To garner that kind of response, one would think it's a VS successor ... perhaps with true wavetables and/or linear FM in conjunction with some kind of vector ofc. Could also be a Poly Evolver successor with true wavetables and maybe VCOs.
It's not impossible. Stranger things are happening these days. Who could have predicted the Rev2?
I SO hope it’s not. My wallet needs a break from new synths. But a modern VS could be irresistible.
True. I would be interested, though, to see what Sequential would do with a Poly Evolver Keyboard Rev2. Now that would be some serious wallet abuse.
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To garner that kind of response, one would think it's a VS successor ... perhaps with true wavetables and/or linear FM in conjunction with some kind of vector ofc. Could also be a Poly Evolver successor with true wavetables and maybe VCOs.
It's not impossible. Stranger things are happening these days. Who could have predicted the Rev2?
I SO hope it’s not. My wallet needs a break from new synths. But a modern VS could be irresistible.
True. I would be interested, though, to see what Sequential would do with a Poly Evolver Keyboard Rev2. Now that would be some serious wallet abuse.
16 voice wallet abuse.... ahem... please.
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I'm thinking next generation to the Evolver series, or a Rev3 of Prophet series would make the most sense.
Evolver with 16 voices, improved digital engine, improved UI, improved combo/stack and modulation matrix upgrades.
Or
Prophet Rev3 with advances to more closely match capabilities of the Moog One... Improved UI, dual filter series/parallel routing, expanded effects engine, expanded mod matrix functionality, and voice modeling capabilities.
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One can only hope...
https://youtu.be/lPEbXTk8RAk
That's probably unlikely. Not that we didn't see any larger synths in recent months and years, but I think this size would be a bit over the top in the current market, especially since you can have splits and layers with one keyboard. Plus: reissues have never been DSI's/Sequential's thing.
Well with the Prophet 10 you also have two complete keyboards at your disposal. Also there is a mode which will alternate between each of the engines for every note you play. It sounds wild when you play chords...I'd like to see that feature back.
I wouldn't say a reissue of the Prophet 10 but the idea of two Prophet-6 engines built into something like this would be incredible. Essentially I'd take two Prophet-6 modules, place them side by side with some additional controls in the middle (Stack, alternate, etc) and have two keyboards underneath. Or perhaps a single keyboard version with the lower tier as an optional add on instead of a module.
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To garner that kind of response, one would think it's a VS successor ... perhaps with true wavetables and/or linear FM in conjunction with some kind of vector ofc. Could also be a Poly Evolver successor with true wavetables and maybe VCOs.
It's not impossible. Stranger things are happening these days. Who could have predicted the Rev2?
I SO hope it’s not. My wallet needs a break from new synths. But a modern VS could be irresistible.
True. I would be interested, though, to see what Sequential would do with a Poly Evolver Keyboard Rev2. Now that would be some serious wallet abuse.
16 voice wallet abuse.... ahem... please.
Go big or go home. 32 voice Poly Evolver.
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To garner that kind of response, one would think it's a VS successor ... perhaps with true wavetables and/or linear FM in conjunction with some kind of vector ofc. Could also be a Poly Evolver successor with true wavetables and maybe VCOs.
It's not impossible. Stranger things are happening these days. Who could have predicted the Rev2?
I SO hope it’s not. My wallet needs a break from new synths. But a modern VS could be irresistible.
True. I would be interested, though, to see what Sequential would do with a Poly Evolver Keyboard Rev2. Now that would be some serious wallet abuse.
16 voice wallet abuse.... ahem... please.
Go big or go home. 32 voice Poly Evolver.
That seems to be the new modus operandi around here now, but it leaves some of us behind. Sequential has gone from being a company that served a variety of musicians to one that is reserved only for those who have an inordinate amount of disposable income. That's pretty frustrating for those who have long loved their sound and products, but can no longer afford them. They could do with a little scaling back. At this point, the Rev2 is the closest thing to the poor man's Sequential synthesizer!
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To garner that kind of response, one would think it's a VS successor ... perhaps with true wavetables and/or linear FM in conjunction with some kind of vector ofc. Could also be a Poly Evolver successor with true wavetables and maybe VCOs.
It's not impossible. Stranger things are happening these days. Who could have predicted the Rev2?
I SO hope it’s not. My wallet needs a break from new synths. But a modern VS could be irresistible.
True. I would be interested, though, to see what Sequential would do with a Poly Evolver Keyboard Rev2. Now that would be some serious wallet abuse.
16 voice wallet abuse.... ahem... please.
Go big or go home. 32 voice Poly Evolver.
That seems to be the new modus operandi around here now, but it leaves some of us behind. Sequential has gone from being a company that serves a variety of musicians to one that is reserved only for those who have an inordinate amount of disposable income. That's pretty frustrating for those who have long loved their sound and products, but can no longer afford them. They could do with a little scaling back. At this point, the Rev2 is the closest thing to the poor man's Sequential synthesizer!
I’m hoping a 16 voice successor to the Prophet VS with digital voices wouldn’t be as expensive — FPGA perhaps?
And it would be awesome to see the rebirth of the VS and the Korg Wavestation (in the new Wavestate) in the same year.
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@Sacred: I think you know as well as the rest of us that the landscape is vastly different these days. What game do you suggest they play? Should they try to compete with these much larger companies with greater manufacturing capabilities? Companies that not only can, but have flooded the market with cheap gear.
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@Sacred: I think you know as well as the rest of us that the landscape is vastly different these days. What game do you suggest they play? Should they try to compete with these much larger companies with greater manufacturing capabilities? Companies that not only can, but have flooded the market with cheap gear.
Yes, you're right. Times have changed and the company has had to adapt. But I was thinking of the version approach - of offering smaller versions of the larger products. How about a smaller version of the Rev2, say, on the scale of the Mopho x4? I hope they do issue a successor to the Pro 2, at least.
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The ARP 2600 is already listed on Sweetwater's website:
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ARP2600--arp-2600-semi-modular-analog-synthesizer-system
I read that it's already sold out in a couple of places. Nevertheless, it's certainly a thing of beauty, particularly with those additional cases.
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@Sacred: I think you know as well as the rest of us that the landscape is vastly different these days. What game do you suggest they play? Should they try to compete with these much larger companies with greater manufacturing capabilities? Companies that not only can, but have flooded the market with cheap gear.
Yes, you're right. Times have changed and the company has had to adapt. But I was thinking of the version approach - of offering smaller versions of the larger products. How about a smaller version of the Rev2, say, on the scale of the Mopho x4? I hope they do issue a successor to the Pro 2, at least.
I highly doubt any of us want Sequential competing in Behringer’s space. That would likely be the death of innovation...
But smaller versions of larger products... That’s a logical approach.
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The ARP 2600 is already listed on Sweetwater's website:
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ARP2600--arp-2600-semi-modular-analog-synthesizer-system
I read that it's already sold out in a couple of places. Nevertheless, it's certainly a thing of beauty, particularly with those additional cases.
I ordered all of them. 400 Arp 2600s should hit the spot.
Seriously, I have few or no synthesizer dreams left, except for an ARP. I'd love to have an ARP.
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@Sacred: I think you know as well as the rest of us that the landscape is vastly different these days. What game do you suggest they play? Should they try to compete with these much larger companies with greater manufacturing capabilities? Companies that not only can, but have flooded the market with cheap gear.
Yes, you're right. Times have changed and the company has had to adapt. But I was thinking of the version approach - of offering smaller versions of the larger products. How about a smaller version of the Rev2, say, on the scale of the Mopho x4? I hope they do issue a successor to the Pro 2, at least.
I highly doubt any of us want Sequential competing in Behringer’s space. That would likely be the death of innovation...
But smaller versions of larger products... That’s a logical approach.
I think the Mopho x4 and the Mopho SE were the last products of that kind, meaning we haven't seen a smaller version of a larger product (module versions aside) since 2013. I somehow doubt that this development will be reversed, albeit I'm aware that there are people who would be interested in more affordable versions of larger Sequential synths. The question is: Are there enough of those people to make such a production and R&D process profitable in the current market situation? That aside, Dave has mentioned on several occasions that he has no ambition to compete with larger companies that have greater manufacturing capabilities. It makes little sense for a boutique manufacturer.
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I ordered all of them. 400 Arp 2600s should hit the spot.
Seriously, I have few or no synthesizer dreams left, except for an ARP. I'd love to have an ARP.
;D Then go for it. This is the only chance I guess and Sweetwater has good financing plans.
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I ordered all of them. 400 Arp 2600s should hit the spot.
Seriously, I have few or no synthesizer dreams left, except for an ARP. I'd love to have an ARP.
;D Then go for it. This is the only chance I guess and Sweetwater has good financing plans.
Wise, sage advise. I concur.
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Really, now! Tell me, guys, what do I say to my wife? "Sweety, I need, I really need this synthesizer. Or I'll die. You don't want me to die of synthesizer deficiency syndrome, do you?"
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Really, now! Tell me, guys, what do I say to my wife? "Sweety, I need, I really need this synthesizer. Or I'll die. You don't want me to die of synthesizer deficiency syndrome, do you?"
Yep, that sounds pretty good.
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Really, now! Tell me, guys, what do I say to my wife? "Sweety, I need, I really need this synthesizer. Or I'll die. You don't want me to die of synthesizer deficiency syndrome, do you?"
No need for drama. She probably knows very well by now how much you're into music. Just tell her that an instrument has been rereleased in limited quantities you've been longing after ever since you got into synthesizers.
As for the price: While not being on the affordable side, I still don't think it's overpriced or too expensive for what you get in hardware if the built quality is anywhere close to what it looks like. The TTSH clone cost $3,400 and that was without the tolex-covered enclosure, the flightcases and the keyboard controller.
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Really, now! Tell me, guys, what do I say to my wife? "Sweety, I need, I really need this synthesizer. Or I'll die. You don't want me to die of synthesizer deficiency syndrome, do you?"
No need for drama. She probably knows very well by now how much you're into music. Just tell her that an instrument has been rereleased in limited quantities you've been longing after ever since you got into synthesizers.
As for the price: While not being on the affordable side, I still don't think it's overpriced or too expensive for what you get in hardware if the built quality is anywhere close to what it looks like. The TTSH clone cost $3,400 and that was without the tolex-covered enclosure, the flightcases and the keyboard controller.
Agreed. The ARP 2600 isn't at all overpriced for what it is, maybe for what it does features wise but not for what it is. It's far cheaper than a $15,000 Moog System 15.
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I agree. The ARP 2600 is worthy every dime of that $3,900.
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Once the full scale limited edition ships, those without the means may be lucky enough to get a second shot at it:
Are Korg going to announce a smaller and more affordable ARP 2600? (https://www.gearnews.com/are-korg-going-to-announce-a-smaller-and-more-affordable-arp-2600/)
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Egads, it's painful to look at that sad little shrunken version! I would be content to let the 2600 live on in all its original full-sized glory, without ever being able to afford one.
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Really, now! Tell me, guys, what do I say to my wife? "Sweety, I need, I really need this synthesizer. Or I'll die. You don't want me to die of synthesizer deficiency syndrome, do you?"
Try telling her that it’s an investment :) I suspect that once all the units have been sold it may well increase in value
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Really, now! Tell me, guys, what do I say to my wife? "Sweety, I need, I really need this synthesizer. Or I'll die. You don't want me to die of synthesizer deficiency syndrome, do you?"
Try telling her that it’s an investment :) I suspect that once all the units have been sold it may well increase in value
Not bad. So, it's not about me...it's about us! It could almost work, if I could say it without looking her in the eye.
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Really, now! Tell me, guys, what do I say to my wife? "Sweety, I need, I really need this synthesizer. Or I'll die. You don't want me to die of synthesizer deficiency syndrome, do you?"
Try telling her that it’s an investment :) I suspect that once all the units have been sold it may well increase in value
Not bad. So, it's not about me...it's about us! It could almost work, if I could say it without looking her in the eye.
LOL good luck :)
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Personally speaking. I think one should never have to justify their own enjoyment or happiness to their significant other. I had a girlfriend once who made the remark that buying movies was stupid and a waste of money when I could just download them. I told her to get lost and went out and spent about $500 on movies. Seeing where some of my friends are with their relationships and their own personal happiness, I know I've made the right choice. I'm with someone now who doesn't even bat an eye when I say "Hey Moog just brought out a new synth." or "Oh man, they are finally bringing Invasion Of The Flesh Hunters on Blu Ray!" or "I need to make room in the fridge for some film stock." She just smiles and says "Tell me about it." or "Let me help you make room." Even when we were at a music store I needed a MIDI Solutions Rack System and was like "I'll get it later, let's go for dinner." She bought it right then and there for me and said "Now we can go to dinner."
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If you love her so much, why don't you marry her? Then we'll see what kinda vise she puts yer b@**s in. ;D
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Personally speaking. I think one should never have to justify their own enjoyment or happiness to their significant other. I had a girlfriend once who made the remark that buying movies was stupid and a waste of money when I could just download them. I told her to get lost and went out and spent about $500 on movies. Seeing where some of my friends are with their relationships and their own personal happiness, I know I've made the right choice. I'm with someone now who doesn't even bat an eye when I say "Hey Moog just brought out a new synth." or "Oh man, they are finally bringing Invasion Of The Flesh Hunters on Blu Ray!" or "I need to make room in the fridge for some film stock." She just smiles and says "Tell me about it." or "Let me help you make room." Even when we were at a music store I needed a MIDI Solutions Rack System and was like "I'll get it later, let's go for dinner." She bought it right then and there for me and said "Now we can go to dinner."
Lighten up, Lobolives. We're just having a little fun here. All that I've said on this has been entirely in jest. The fact is, I could order that ARP 2600 right now; yes, we could technically afford it, but it wouldn't be the right thing for me to do.
I've been happily married for twenty-one years, and that didn't come from doing my own thing whenever I wanted. Marriage is about devotion to another person, and that entails significant sacrifices of one's own desires and possessions. My wife left Ireland to marry me, and I gave almost my entire inheritance to pay for the house she liked. That's what it takes. When the effort is mutual, the two spouses make something very rare and beautiful.
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there’s no sense in him releasing something that will get lost in the shuffle or won’t stand out. Would a Pro 3 really make an impact right in the current market? Would a Prophet 12 successor?
A synth company not releasing new synths because other synth companies release new synths is pretty bleak. I don't think Sequential needs to worry about getting lost in any shuffles. The Prophet X has only been around a couple years, so I wouldn't be too surprised if they go another year or so before announcing another flagship-level instrument. But I don't think they're letting anyone else determine their timeline.
I'd like to see the same thing that I've wanted to see since the Mopho Keyboard was discontinued, but Moog has been the one delivering there.
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there’s no sense in him releasing something that will get lost in the shuffle or won’t stand out. Would a Pro 3 really make an impact right in the current market? Would a Prophet 12 successor?
A synth company not releasing new synths because other synth companies release new synths is pretty bleak. I don't think Sequential needs to worry about getting lost in any shuffles. The Prophet X has only been around a couple years, so I wouldn't be too surprised if they go another year or so before announcing another flagship-level instrument. But I don't think they're letting anyone else determine their timeline.
I'd like to see the same thing that I've wanted to see since the Mopho Keyboard was discontinued, but Moog has been the one delivering there.
I've never really understand the idea that Sequential would abandon a product design because of other synth releases. Primarily because a synth design is a large expenditure of R&D resources -- multiple months at minimum for sure. To throw away those months of work without anything to show for it can be devastating to the business' bottom line. Large manufacturers -- Roland, Yamaha, Korg -- can eat that R&D cost much more easily that a small team like Sequential.
So... I agree. The only person determining the Sequential timeline is likely Dave Smith.
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So... I agree. The only person determining the Sequential timeline is likely Dave Smith.
Yes, and Dave and his staff have prided themselves on the fact for years. They seem determined to enjoy what they do, and not let the business aspects spoil it too much. Plus, they can always count on some company loyalty.
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Nord Wave 2, $2699 on Sweetwater — https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/NordWave2--nord-nord-wave-2-wavetable-and-fm-synthesizer (https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/NordWave2--nord-nord-wave-2-wavetable-and-fm-synthesizer)
... and the keybed looks like an improvement over the Lead 4 / A1 cheapnis.
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Nord Wave 2, $2699 on Sweetwater — https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/NordWave2--nord-nord-wave-2-wavetable-and-fm-synthesizer (https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/NordWave2--nord-nord-wave-2-wavetable-and-fm-synthesizer)
... and the keybed looks like an improvement over the Lead 4 / A1 cheapnis.
FINALLY!
I do wish it at synth action keys though.
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One LFO per layer for a synth like this ... ok. What are the other modulation options? Does it have true wavetabes? I know Nord makes a killing off touring musicians, but their prices/offerings makes it seem like they're living in the past. Also, they could have saved by using the TP/9s instead, which would have made more sense for what it is.
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One LFO per layer for a synth like this ... ok. What are the other modulation options? Does it have true wavetabes? I know Nord makes a killing off touring musicians, but their prices/offerings makes it seem like they're living in the past. Also, they could have saved by using the TP/9s instead, which would have made more sense for what it is.
Are we certain about the keybed? I haven't seen the spec sheet...
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I should have edited that as speculation on my part. Looking at the specs now, it says they're semi-weighted, so it probably wouldn't make a difference in regards to what I said. Obviously they're waterfall.
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probably wouldn't make a difference in regards to what I said.
What I mean is that replacing it with a TP/9s probably wouldn't lower the cost. I just assumed it was fully weighted at that price point... Looking at all their product pricing, it just seems like they're completely unaware of all the stiff competition they're facing these days. But hey, if people are buying up all their stuff, then more power to them.
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https://www.facebook.com/sequentialLLC/photos/a.121344287890444/3016429161715261/?type=3&theater (https://www.facebook.com/sequentialLLC/photos/a.121344287890444/3016429161715261/?type=3&theater)
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Can’t wait to see what this is. And a hinged, adjustable panel by the looks of it (as I can’t imagine they’d move the hinges for access to the circuit boards to the front of the synth).
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probably wouldn't make a difference in regards to what I said.
What I mean is that replacing it with a TP/9s probably wouldn't lower the cost. I just assumed it was fully weighted at that price point... Looking at all their product pricing, it just seems like they're completely unaware of all the stiff competition they're facing these days. But hey, if people are buying up all their stuff, then more power to them.
I'm hoping they do a 49 key, synth action version.
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I still say my Pro-4 idea was good. 4 Oscillators each with their own signal path: Filter, AMP, Effects and each with their own sequencer/Arp. Sort of like the Analog Four.
I'll keep an open mind about the Pro-3 but I still say it's a weird move by Sequential just Frankensteining elements from current synths together while taking away elements from it's predecessor.
Still, it could sound out of this world.
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probably wouldn't make a difference in regards to what I said.
What I mean is that replacing it with a TP/9s probably wouldn't lower the cost. I just assumed it was fully weighted at that price point... Looking at all their product pricing, it just seems like they're completely unaware of all the stiff competition they're facing these days. But hey, if people are buying up all their stuff, then more power to them.
I'm hoping they do a 49 key, synth action version.
The 8O is effectively a synth-action, but with waterfall (as opposed to diving-board) profile. They are slightly "faster" in the sense that it's pretty difficult to get your hand caught on the edge of the key covers, just like a Hammond.
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Just seen that Moog are bringing a scaled-down Subsequent:
https://www.synthanatomy.com/2020/01/moog-intros-subsequent-25-analog-synthesizer-sub-phatty-successor.html
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Just seen that Moog are bringing a scaled-down Subsequent:
https://www.synthanatomy.com/2020/01/moog-intros-subsequent-25-analog-synthesizer-sub-phatty-successor.html
?But.....Why????
Honestly it would be awesome if Moog did an analog vocoder/string machine with built in analog Chorus/Phaser. The Moog Siren.
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Just seen that Moog are bringing a scaled-down Subsequent:
https://www.synthanatomy.com/2020/01/moog-intros-subsequent-25-analog-synthesizer-sub-phatty-successor.html
?But.....Why????
Honestly it would be awesome if Moog did an analog vocoder/string machine with built in analog Chorus/Phaser. The Moog Siren.
Who knows? 2 octaves is not for me.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/B7XMtlKBkoU/
Well we all knew the FM craze would be back at some point. I just hope we can skip the whole 90s/early aughts phase of reminiscing...
Korg is really giving the people what they've asked for at this year's NAMM, as well as adding some twists. FM, RING MOD, WAVE FOLDER, & FILTER FM.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/B7XMtlKBkoU/
Well we all knew the FM craze would be back at some point. I just hope we can skip the whole 90s/early aughts phase of reminiscing...
Korg is really giving the people what they've asked for at this year's NAMM, as well as putting adding some twists. FM, RING MOD, WAVE FOLDER, & FILTER FM.
Wait....is that a real thing? No way.
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Wait....is that a real thing? No way.
They are inside your mind, Lobo... haven’t you been wanting “knobby FM” for years?
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Wait....is that a real thing? No way.
They are inside your mind, Lobo... haven’t you been wanting “knobby FM” for years?
Indeed. You know I always though Sequential would have been the first or even Yamaha. Their reface line had CS, DX, CP and YC models...then the CP88 and now the YC61...I thought for sure we’d see a new DX....but it looks like Korg is the first to do it.
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The new Nord Library trolley!
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The new Nord Library trolley!
Too big for a 1GB sample library.
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Korg is becoming a very attractive company again. Their starting to cause my initial DSI goosebumps.
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Just seen that Moog are bringing a scaled-down Subsequent:
https://www.synthanatomy.com/2020/01/moog-intros-subsequent-25-analog-synthesizer-sub-phatty-successor.html
?But.....Why????
Because Baby Yoda!
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probably wouldn't make a difference in regards to what I said.
What I mean is that replacing it with a TP/9s probably wouldn't lower the cost. I just assumed it was fully weighted at that price point... Looking at all their product pricing, it just seems like they're completely unaware of all the stiff competition they're facing these days. But hey, if people are buying up all their stuff, then more power to them.
Wave 2 is probably the keybed from the Electro 73. NL4 keybed feels like a plastic toy. HP is too heavy. Having FM, DCO, VCO, VA, PCM synths, there is a space reserved on the shelf for a user loadable wave/sample poly AT synth with standard and open (Sysex) MIDI implementation to load such data. That is NOT Nord or Roland (anymore).
2020 seems to be the year of wave-tables.
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I do think the Pro 3 is a taste of what Sequential's next synth will be in terms of structure. Which is likely why they did both the standard and special edition Pro 3's in one go as opposed to spreading both of their releases through the year. I can see a Poly Evolver type structure type structure with the VCO + Wavetable oscillators on their next poly synth. Hopefully it'll have more than one wavetable oscillator though. I think only having one is a misstep.
But looking at the specs of the Pro 3....it's there.
Tuned feedback
VCO + Digital Oscillator
Dual effects
Expanded mod matrix.
Playlist mode.
and new looking knobs/layout.
All a perfect hint at what could be featured in their next poly synth.
The only thing I would like to see is a an X/Y/Z touch pad as opposed to a single slider.
Oh and a bit more...blue. ;) Just to make it stand out a bit more.
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Which is likely why they did both the standard and special edition Pro 3's in one go as opposed to spreading both of their releases through the year.
They likely planned a simultaneous rollout simply because the alternative is a complete a-hole move to do to early adopters.
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Which is likely why they did both the standard and special edition Pro 3's in one go as opposed to spreading both of their releases through the year.
They likely planned a simultaneous rollout simply because the alternative is a complete a-hole move to do to early adopters.
Very true....it actually a move that I could see a few other companies doing...but not Sequential.
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Sounds good to me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVsIAvoKdEs
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Sounds good to me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVsIAvoKdEs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVsIAvoKdEs)
Lots of people complaining about Nord’s design choices — specifically, 1 LFO per layer. But I think that misses the point of the instrument... immediacy. 4 layers of immediacy.
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I don't understand Nord at all... I was under the impression that their Stage and Electro series are their performance series. Why not offer something deep for synthesists as well? It's a digital synth in 2020, so how can you not give routing options and also why limit to one LFO per layer? I get they want to keep things simple, yet look at how easy Sequential makes such things. It just seems like all Nord do is recycle stuff that cut it for them around the turn of the millennium. Perhaps the Modular didn't sell enough for them to justify anything else... I'd at least have liked to see them explain the FM engine instead of what that their presenter repeatedly showed, which basically made it seem like this thing is aimed strictly at the crowd who will keep buying the same repackaged product under different guises.
On a side note, their Drum 3P suddenly caught my interest, although it looks like it's about time for its successor. Any word on that or are they possibly getting out of that market as well?
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Sadly i think Nord are getting the wrong sound designers and presenters for this thing.
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If Nord want a hit, they should forget about their hurt feelings that not many liked their G2 modular successor back then, and get on with a Nord Modular G3 that is completely selfcontained, with a huge central touch screen where all the editing can be performed... Now include cv ins and outs like PRO3 and let the engine connect to outboard modular gear, and back to the engine again... That would be a proper successor to the Nord Modular in my opinion.
Regarding the wave2 i think that they are just trying to do what they did with the A1... Make sound design much faster and intuitive, which could be a good thing if they just remember to explain this properly, otherwise the only thing people see with the wave2 is an attempt to squeeze too many allready present synthesis algorithms under one interface but with too few features... This synth could easilly be heavenly intuitive to play and edit, yet people only look at the specs compared to much more complex synths that are burdened by being non intuitive and hard to program. They need videos focusing mainly on that layer concept.... The A1 is a really well thought out and good sounding synth, mainly because of its simplicity... Actually...
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get on with a Nord Modular G3 that is completely selfcontained, with a huge central touch screen where all the editing can be performed... Now include cv ins and outs like PRO3 and let the engine connect to outboard modular gear, and back to the engine again... That would be a proper successor to the Nord Modular in my opinion.
100% accurate
Regarding the wave2 i think that they are just trying to... Make sound design much faster and intuitive, which could be a good thing if they just remember to explain this properly
No doubt. The only thing I see wrong with the Wave 2 is their marketing department.
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Best demo I’ve heard thus far of the Nord Wave 2.
https://youtu.be/zEF_C74p1jA
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsLNu-oQWXA
From what I gather, although multitimbral, it's merely four sound sources at a time. Say you want to run a sample, then this limits you to 3 Op FM; or you want 2 OSCs, then it's down to 2 Op FM. So yes, its simplicity while a virtue, means it's extremely limited compared to its hardware competition. Ultimately its price seems naive to me given the market, but again, what do I know...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsLNu-oQWXA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsLNu-oQWXA)
From what I gather, although multitimbral, it's merely four sound sources at a time. Say you want to run a sample, then this limits you to 3 Op FM; or you want 2 OSCs, then it's down to 2 Op FM. So yes its simplicity while a virtue, means it's extremely limited compared to its hardware competition. Ultimately its price seems naive to me given the market, but again, what do I know...
Unless Nord has made a vast departure from it's previous FM implementations (most recently, the A1), each layer can function independently as a 2 OP FM synth engine. The FM part of the OSC section had a "hidden" Osc that modulates the OSC for that layer. And that setup can be layered up to 4 times, or combined with samples or normal VA subtractive synthesis. But it's not like the OSC in layers 2, 3 and 4 are the modulators for the OSC in layer 1. There is no 4 OP FM synthesis, but there are up to 4 independent layers of 2 OP FM synthesis.
Again, this assumes that they haven't changed the FM implementation from previous FM offerings.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsLNu-oQWXA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsLNu-oQWXA)
From what I gather, although multitimbral, it's merely four sound sources at a time. Say you want to run a sample, then this limits you to 3 Op FM; or you want 2 OSCs, then it's down to 2 Op FM. So yes its simplicity while a virtue, means it's extremely limited compared to its hardware competition. Ultimately its price seems naive to me given the market, but again, what do I know...
Unless Nord has made a vast departure from it's previous FM implementations (most recently, the A1), each layer can function independently as a 2 OP FM synth engine. The FM part of the OSC section had a "hidden" Osc that modulates the OSC for that layer. And that setup can be layered up to 4 times, or combined with samples or normal VA subtractive synthesis. But it's not like the OSC in layers 2, 3 and 4 are the modulators for the OSC in layer 1. There is no 4 OP FM synthesis, but there are up to 4 independent layers of 2 OP FM synthesis.
Again, this assumes that they haven't changed the FM implementation from previous FM offerings.
When you look at the video, at about 3:00, they zoom in on the display, and I see what looks like 4OP diagrams... maybe they upped it to include two more operators.
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Alright, well I just got to watch the whole video and it's def capable of FM per single layer basis. Seems merely capable of mix level and no interaction between layers... But it does seem to be 4 Op capable.
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Alright, well I just got to watch the whole video and it's def capable of FM per single layer basis. Seems merely capable of mix level and no interaction between layers... But it does seem to be 4 Op capable.
I think I saw him scroll thru algorithms and some of the boxes did have lines between them at different positions, so I think it may be genuine 4OP FM synthesis... maybe their manual is more insightful.
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Alright, well I just got to watch the whole video and it's def capable of FM per single layer basis. Seems merely capable of mix level and no interaction between layers... But it does seem to be 4 Op capable.
I think I saw him scroll thru algorithms and some of the boxes did have lines between them at different positions, so I think it may be genuine 4OP FM synthesis... maybe their manual is more insightful.
I think you guys are right. I certainly hope so. I had just listened to the video earlier without actively watching. It certainly appears to have 4OP FM... I’d bet that the Osc control effects all 4 operators at once. That would be a very Nord way of doing it. They kind of pre-program the FM synthesis to capture wide sweet spots.
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Alright, well I just got to watch the whole video and it's def capable of FM per single layer basis. Seems merely capable of mix level and no interaction between layers... But it does seem to be 4 Op capable.
I think I saw him scroll thru algorithms and some of the boxes did have lines between them at different positions, so I think it may be genuine 4OP FM synthesis... maybe their manual is more insightful.
I think you guys are right. I certainly hope so. I had just listened to the video earlier without actively watching. It certainly appears to have 4OP FM... I’d bet that the Osc control effects all 4 operators at once. That would be a very Nord way of doing it. They kind of pre-program the FM synthesis to capture wide sweet spots.
Well, if you want emmediate FM synthesis, they would certainly have to come up with a way to simplify it ;D... I actually like the idea, and liked it when KORG did it in both DS-8 and 707 back then... It makes FM programing so much more intuituve... Yes you take some hardcore FM design possibilities out of it, but personally I feel it is worth it.
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Alright, well I just got to watch the whole video and it's def capable of FM per single layer basis. Seems merely capable of mix level and no interaction between layers... But it does seem to be 4 Op capable.
I think I saw him scroll thru algorithms and some of the boxes did have lines between them at different positions, so I think it may be genuine 4OP FM synthesis... maybe their manual is more insightful.
I think you guys are right. I certainly hope so. I had just listened to the video earlier without actively watching. It certainly appears to have 4OP FM... I’d bet that the Osc control effects all 4 operators at once. That would be a very Nord way of doing it. They kind of pre-program the FM synthesis to capture wide sweet spots.
Well, if you want emmediate FM synthesis, they would certainly have to come up with a way to simplify it ;D... I actually like the idea, and liked it when KORG did it in both DS-8 and 707 back then... It makes FM programing so much more intuituve... Yes you take some hardcore FM design possibilities out of it, but personally I feel it is worth it.
I agree. I wouldn’t miss the “hardcore FM design possibilities” anyway because I don’t find much of it very useful on a musical context. That may be my FM ignorance showing, but I do appreciate Nords approach of providing immediacy of getting musical tones. That’s really what their synths have always been about.
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How problematic/intuitive would it be to replace the Nord Wave 2's keyboard with a synth action one?
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How problematic/intuitive would it be to replace the Nord Wave 2's keyboard with a synth action one?
First, you should consider that you will immediately eliminate your warranty.
If the action bothers you that much, use another synth as a controller. You should still be able to do morphing via the mod wheel, velocity and after touch.
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How problematic/intuitive would it be to replace the Nord Wave 2's keyboard with a synth action one?
First, you should consider that you will immediately eliminate your warranty.
If the action bothers you that much, use another synth as a controller. You should still be able to do morphing via the mod wheel, velocity and after touch.
Yeah I know there are some companies who actually let that slide (Sequential being one) but I don't think Nord is so easy going.
Actually I might just message Nord and see what they say...never know. They might do a four octave synth action version later on.
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They could do with a little scaling back. At this point, the Rev2 is the closest thing to the poor man's Sequential synthesizer!
I don't disagree that I'd like to see some other mid-range options from DSI, but that part of the market is FLOODED (Hydrasynth, Argon8, Wavestate, Jupiter-X, Minilogue-XD etc), so the risks of product-market-timing-fit are much higher than ever before. Elsewhere you've asked what Dave is particularly good at, and I think it's bang-for-buck synthesizing for songwriting. He knows what real players and producers want, and how to give it to them with an interface that's a joy to use, with build quality that lasts a generation, and get the highest quality sounds available anywhere near it's price range. But with the Rev2 desktop for example, I just don't know if you can get a whole lot cheaper than that without sacrificing sound or build quality.
And there is still the AS-1, which even though not Sequential badged, everyone knows is a Dave Smith modern take on the Pro One in smaller form.
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get on with a Nord Modular G3 that is completely selfcontained, with a huge central touch screen where all the editing can be performed... Now include cv ins and outs like PRO3 and let the engine connect to outboard modular gear, and back to the engine again... That would be a proper successor to the Nord Modular in my opinion.
100% accurate
200% agree.
Regarding the wave2 i think that they are just trying to... Make sound design much faster and intuitive, which could be a good thing if they just remember to explain this properly
No doubt. The only thing I see wrong with the Wave 2 is their marketing department.
I dunno, $2700 seems a bit much, when I have tons of more interesting VSTs that integrate with my Komplete keyboard.
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After hearing some nice things come from the Lead 4, I'm starting to seriously come around on the Wave 2, especially if the right deal comes around. Wish there was an in-depth dive for it already. I know there's a lot of craziness going on right now, but this has to be the most covert launch for a big name synth manufacturer in recent memory... I mean, it's already in a few consumers' hands apparently.
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I found that the Nord Lead 4 is the easiest synth I have to get good fm sounds out of it. When I say "good" I'm specifically referring to when making a classic fm piano sound, though other wild fm voices are doable too. I'm making this comparison to Summit, P12, Pro2, Vermona, PEK and Modar NF1. Big variety of Wave shapes is the big thing right now from the manufactures. But I'm learning that the type of shapes offered are more important than the quantity. I think Nord has about 40 wave shapes on the Lead 4. Enough, but not too many These are probably the most useful in this comparison as well. I wish there was more ways to modulate the fm and waveshapes and filter types on the Lead 4 though. P12 wins at that ability hands down. I'm thinking the new Nord instrument will probably improve its ability to modulate waveshapes and fm.
Speaking of fm, in terms of pure fm toying around...I'd have to pick the Modar. The Modar has really been the surprise of the year for me. Being relatively affordable for the module version, I bought it as a B-day present to myself. Its really an fm experimenters tool bench.