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Title: ASM Hydrasynth
Post by: Tonda on September 03, 2019, 01:55:13 PM
Never heard of it, but it looks pretty interesting...

https://youtu.be/i6mKVMRdfCc (https://youtu.be/i6mKVMRdfCc)
Title: Re: ASM Hydrasynth
Post by: Shaw on September 03, 2019, 04:35:46 PM
Nickís trying to figure out if it will do PWM...


https://youtu.be/MhBi6rzFkCA (https://youtu.be/MhBi6rzFkCA)
Title: Re: ASM Hydrasynth
Post by: LoboLives on September 03, 2019, 06:05:08 PM
Poly aftertouch apparently...wow...Iím actually more interested in this than the Summit.
Title: Re: ASM Hydrasynth
Post by: jg666 on September 03, 2019, 11:45:34 PM
There's a 46 minute review of this and the desktop module on the Loopop YouTube channel :-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rJd_j9_Ixs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rJd_j9_Ixs)
Title: Re: ASM Hydrasynth
Post by: Tugdual on September 04, 2019, 04:00:19 AM
Looks interesting in concept but there are two things I would like to know.
-   How does it compare to the Peak in the frequency domain, more specifically FM?
-   How does it age? Had some very bad surprises with Arturia made in China, all rubber buttons and wheel melting into some sticky jam after a couple of years. Not speaking about encoders getting a lot of dirt (plastic dust) and skipping steps.

If the sound is good, the hydrasynth could be a good replacement for the Rev2...
Title: Re: ASM Hydrasynth
Post by: Tonda on September 04, 2019, 10:08:40 AM
Wow! I have to say I'm very impressed by the huge synth power under the hood!

Together with the very well designed user interface and the fact that is has poly aftertouch and the versatile ribbon controller makes it a very desirable instrument. This could be the digital synth I was waiting for...
Title: Re: ASM Hydrasynth
Post by: LoboLives on September 04, 2019, 02:25:43 PM
Looks interesting in concept but there are two things I would like to know.
-   How does it compare to the Peak in the frequency domain, more specifically FM?
-   How does it age? Had some very bad surprises with Arturia made in China, all rubber buttons and wheel melting into some sticky jam after a couple of years. Not speaking about encoders getting a lot of dirt (plastic dust) and skipping steps.

If the sound is good, the hydrasynth could be a good replacement for the Rev2...

This is a very good point. Iíve heard nothing but nightmares from MatrixBrute owners. But isnít the Peak/Summit made in China as well?

Kind of makes one hesitant to pull the trigger, regardless of how powerful the specs are.
Title: Re: ASM Hydrasynth
Post by: Shaw on September 04, 2019, 03:09:19 PM
Looks interesting in concept but there are two things I would like to know.
-   How does it compare to the Peak in the frequency domain, more specifically FM?
-   How does it age? Had some very bad surprises with Arturia made in China, all rubber buttons and wheel melting into some sticky jam after a couple of years. Not speaking about encoders getting a lot of dirt (plastic dust) and skipping steps.

If the sound is good, the hydrasynth could be a good replacement for the Rev2...

This is a very good point. Iíve heard nothing but nightmares from MatrixBrute owners. But isnít the Peak/Summit made in China as well?

Kind of makes one hesitant to pull the trigger, regardless of how powerful the specs are.
ďMade in ChinaĒ means that the quality of the product could be anywhere from superior to terrible.  And it usually comes down to the size of the company having the product made in China. For example, the Apple iPhone is a superior product. That is primarily because Apple has the clout to enforce strict QC in factories that they purposely built in China for manufacturing their phones and nothing else.


Smaller companies, like ASM, who are having their products built in factories that were making vacuum cleaners last week, and hairdryers next week, generally have less control over quality and therefore the quality of these products can sometimes be more of a coin toss.





Title: Re: ASM Hydrasynth
Post by: LoboLives on September 04, 2019, 08:07:33 PM
I wonder how large it is size wise compared to an OB6 or P6.
Title: Re: ASM Hydrasynth
Post by: Tonda on September 05, 2019, 09:21:53 AM
I wonder how large it is size wise compared to an OB6 or P6.

According the Sweetwater site...

Hydrasynth:
Keyboard:  31.5" L x 13.63" W x 4.53" H (80 cm x 34.3 cm x 11.5 cm)
Desktop: 17.4" L x 8.78" W x 3.39" H  (44.2 cm x 22.3 cm x 8.6 cm)

OB-6:
Keyboard: 31.8Ē L x 12.7Ē W x 4.6″ H (80.7 cm x 32.3 cm x 11.7 cm)
Desktop: 20.75Ē L x 7.8Ē W x 4.4″ H (52.0 cm x 19.8 cm x 11.2 cm)

Prophet-6:
Keyboard: 32.3Ē L x 12.7Ē W x 4.6″ H (82.0 cm x 32.3 cm x 11.7 cm)
Desktop: 21.25Ē L x 7.43Ē W x 4.4″ H (54.0 cm x 18.9 cm x 11.2 cm)

Conclusion, they are pretty equal size wise.

Title: Re: ASM Hydrasynth
Post by: eXode on September 05, 2019, 11:08:00 AM
ďMade in ChinaĒ means that the quality of the product could be anywhere from superior to terrible.  And it usually comes down to the size of the company having the product made in China. For example, the Apple iPhone is a superior product. That is primarily because Apple has the clout to enforce strict QC in factories that they purposely built in China for manufacturing their phones and nothing else.

Smaller companies, like ASM, who are having their products built in factories that were making vacuum cleaners last week, and hairdryers next week, generally have less control over quality and therefore the quality of these products can sometimes be more of a coin toss.

ASM is backed by medeli (http://www.medeli.com.hk/about-us) afaik, a Hong Kong based company that does keyboards, digital pianos, and digital drums.

I can't vouch for the quality, but can say as much that the ASM products are most likely NOT built in factories that were making vacuum cleaners last week, or hairdryers the week before. :)
Title: Re: ASM Hydrasynth
Post by: Tugdual on September 06, 2019, 01:32:08 PM
ďMade in ChinaĒ means that the quality of the product could be anywhere from superior to terrible.  And it usually comes down to the size of the company having the product made in China. For example, the Apple iPhone is a superior product. That is primarily because Apple has the clout to enforce strict QC in factories that they purposely built in China for manufacturing their phones and nothing else.

Smaller companies, like ASM, who are having their products built in factories that were making vacuum cleaners last week, and hairdryers next week, generally have less control over quality and therefore the quality of these products can sometimes be more of a coin toss.

ASM is backed by medeli (http://www.medeli.com.hk/about-us) afaik, a Hong Kong based company that does keyboards, digital pianos, and digital drums.

I can't vouch for the quality, but can say as much that the ASM products are most likely NOT built in factories that were making vacuum cleaners last week, or hairdryers the week before. :)
Well if Medeli is making Arturia's stuff, I would prefer a vacuum  cleaner manufacturer
Title: Re: ASM Hydrasynth
Post by: BobTheDog on September 07, 2019, 02:46:25 AM
Looks interesting in concept but there are two things I would like to know.
-   How does it compare to the Peak in the frequency domain, more specifically FM?
-   How does it age? Had some very bad surprises with Arturia made in China, all rubber buttons and wheel melting into some sticky jam after a couple of years. Not speaking about encoders getting a lot of dirt (plastic dust) and skipping steps.

If the sound is good, the hydrasynth could be a good replacement for the Rev2...

This is a very good point. Iíve heard nothing but nightmares from MatrixBrute owners. But isnít the Peak/Summit made in China as well?

Kind of makes one hesitant to pull the trigger, regardless of how powerful the specs are.

What MatrixBrute nightmares have you heard?
Title: Re: ASM Hydrasynth
Post by: LoboLives on September 07, 2019, 10:41:58 AM
Looks interesting in concept but there are two things I would like to know.
-   How does it compare to the Peak in the frequency domain, more specifically FM?
-   How does it age? Had some very bad surprises with Arturia made in China, all rubber buttons and wheel melting into some sticky jam after a couple of years. Not speaking about encoders getting a lot of dirt (plastic dust) and skipping steps.

If the sound is good, the hydrasynth could be a good replacement for the Rev2...

This is a very good point. Iíve heard nothing but nightmares from MatrixBrute owners. But isnít the Peak/Summit made in China as well?

Kind of makes one hesitant to pull the trigger, regardless of how powerful the specs are.

What MatrixBrute nightmares have you heard?

The actual matrix starts to become faulty, some of the pots start to mess up, in fact one guy had the entire filter dial come off and Arturiaís customer service isnít exactly the best.
Title: Re: ASM Hydrasynth
Post by: Shaw on September 07, 2019, 12:15:21 PM
The actual matrix starts to become faulty, some of the pots start to mess up, in fact one guy had the entire filter dial come off and Arturiaís customer service isnít exactly the best.
Thatís the kind of close eye you keep on the forums when considering a $2k purchase.
 :)
Title: Re: ASM Hydrasynth
Post by: BobTheDog on September 07, 2019, 01:05:47 PM
Looks interesting in concept but there are two things I would like to know.
-   How does it compare to the Peak in the frequency domain, more specifically FM?
-   How does it age? Had some very bad surprises with Arturia made in China, all rubber buttons and wheel melting into some sticky jam after a couple of years. Not speaking about encoders getting a lot of dirt (plastic dust) and skipping steps.

If the sound is good, the hydrasynth could be a good replacement for the Rev2...

This is a very good point. Iíve heard nothing but nightmares from MatrixBrute owners. But isnít the Peak/Summit made in China as well?

Kind of makes one hesitant to pull the trigger, regardless of how powerful the specs are.

What MatrixBrute nightmares have you heard?

The actual matrix starts to become faulty, some of the pots start to mess up, in fact one guy had the entire filter dial come off and Arturiaís customer service isnít exactly the best.

Interesting, I have never heard of matrix or pot issues. Support for the MB should also be good, can you pm me details?
Title: Re: ASM Hydrasynth
Post by: eXode on September 08, 2019, 02:45:32 AM
Well if Medeli is making Arturia's stuff, I would prefer a vacuum  cleaner manufacturer

I don't know if medeli is involved with Arturia, but I'd prefer not to speculate about the quality of unreleased products.

There are some cues anyone can take by just looking at the ASM Hydrasynth and compare to i.e. most Arturia products, but if that translates to long term durability (esp of the insides) remains to be seen.
Title: Re: ASM Hydrasynth
Post by: Tugdual on September 09, 2019, 03:21:31 PM
Anybody understands the fundamental difference between fading and morphing two waves?
In the image domain, morphing is fading plus shape interpolation. I canít figure out what that means in the sound domain?
Title: Re: ASM Hydrasynth
Post by: megamarkd on September 10, 2019, 05:03:22 AM
Anybody understands the fundamental difference between fading and morphing two waves?
In the image domain, morphing is fading plus shape interpolation. I can’t figure out what that means in the sound domain?

An easy visualisation of morphing is to imagine gradually amplifying a triangle wave to the point of its peak clipping, sides becoming as good as vertical and it becomes a square wave.  Another one is to imagine a sine wave angling up into a triangle wave; on the way to becoming a triangular, the sine wave gets more and more hyperbolic in shape until it just goes all triangular.  With a triangle to saw morph, the peak of the original equilateral triangle is pushed across to be come a right-angle triangle.  With fading, it is a matter of reducing the amplitude of one wave while increase that of the one that is replacing it (same way a cross-fader on a mixer works).
Title: Re: ASM Hydrasynth
Post by: laurentluigi on December 19, 2019, 02:38:40 AM
Hello,
this desktop sounds crazy !!!!!

I'm not a specialist but i think a new synth generation is coming, a new philosophy too...

I hope that the "Boss" Mr Smith have an eye on this !
Title: Re: ASM Hydrasynth
Post by: proteus-ix on February 23, 2020, 12:20:49 PM
Is it just me, or is this VERY similar sound and architecturally to a Prophet 12?  I was interested in the Hydra at first blush, but the more I watch and hear, the more it seems too redundant to my P12, which I consider a lifetime purchase I will never part with.
Title: Re: ASM Hydrasynth
Post by: BobTheDog on February 24, 2020, 11:42:23 AM
I have only had my hydrasynth for a week but for me so far it is pretty different to the P12.

Title: Re: ASM Hydrasynth
Post by: proteus-ix on February 24, 2020, 12:26:44 PM
I have only had my hydrasynth for a week but for me so far it is pretty different to the P12.

Oh great, I was afraid someone might say that.   ;D

What do you find the main differences are so far?  What are your overall pros/cons with it after the first week?
Title: Re: ASM Hydrasynth
Post by: BobTheDog on February 24, 2020, 02:02:28 PM
Well itís early days but to me they just sound really different. The oscillators/mutant stuff gives a much larger palette of sound pre-filter. The HS seems to sound more fizzy/distorted in general, the P12 sounds smoother.

This has been mostly from playing the presets so far, when I get more in to programming it I will post some more info...