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SEQUENTIAL/DSI => Prophet => Sequential Prophet X => Topic started by: Gerry Havinga on July 20, 2019, 11:56:42 AM
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I've just noticed that a webshop in the Netherlands is advertising the Prophet X for just under €3000
At the beginning of this year the price was still about €750-800 more.
Anyone noticed this locally in your country/area?
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Hello,
I've seen the Px in sale on a french web shop at 3315€.....
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I've been pricing the Prophet X recently, and as I live in Luxembourg (no retailers) I was looking at one in Belgium, where the price is still 3855 eur. If I decide to get one it looks like I'll need to buy in NL and then have it re-shipped to Luxembourg. That's an amazing price.
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Check here: https://www.bax-shop.nl/synthesizer/sequential-prophet-x-hybride-synthesizer (https://www.bax-shop.nl/synthesizer/sequential-prophet-x-hybride-synthesizer)
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Thanks Gerry, that's amazing. I'm still on the fence about the keyboard. I've listened to your recordings and read some of your posts, you seem to have a very solid working knowledge on the Prophet X. Would you mind reading my post from earlier today (it's the one called Prophet X - Player's Rig and Instrument Creator) and letting me know your thoughts? That would be a huge help in making my decision! Cheers.
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New price at Sweetwater: $3499. Guess it's not surprising since so many people seemed to think it was overpriced. Not thrilled that I paid the full $3999 three months ago, but I'll try and forget that and just enjoy the amazing machine....
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Moving stock before new item released?
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I don’t think anything new is due that would compete directly. Solid state drives have been dropping dramatically in price, so it could be as simple as reduction in their manufacturing costs.
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Sometimes it's because a new instrument is about to appear, and sometimes it isn't. The last time Sweetwater did this, it was just a personal business decision. The time before, a new DSI synthesizer made its appearance. You just can't tell.
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I don’t think anything new is due that would compete directly. Solid state drives have been dropping dramatically in price, so it could be as simple as reduction in their manufacturing costs.
Could very well be. Seems like a sizable price drop just for a SSD, but still...
Sometimes it's because a new instrument is about to appear, and sometimes it isn't. The last time Sweetwater did this, it was just a personal business decision. The time before, a new DSI synthesizer made its appearance. You just can tell.
I think you’re right. But this time it’s not just Sweetwater. Some sellers across the pond are dropping prices too.
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DSI/Sequential is not usually in the habit of dropping prices. Even the Tempest from 2011 is still selling at full price. As ellsworth mentioned, I would assume this is due to it not selling as expected, which a reduction in manufacturing cost would somewhat lesson the blow and help enable them to do so.
Sometimes it's because a new instrument is about to appear, and sometimes it isn't. The last time Sweetwater did this, it was just a personal business decision. The time before, a new DSI synthesizer made its appearance. You just can tell.
It's received a $500 price drop at Guitar Center as well.
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Hmmm maybe I will add a Prophet XL as a companion to my Prophet X lol (I’m actually seriously considering it.)
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Would it be a viable option for Sequential to offer a lower end model without 8Dio samples, if such a thing were even contractually possible? I've heard a number of people (Razmo for instance) say they're not interested in the ambient onboard samples. Perhaps throw some inputs on there if that wouldn't drastically hike back up the price. Seems like a platform that has a lot of potential to play around with, as Dave has even mentioned a lot the tech could be repurposed into a drum machine.
*lessen :P
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Would it be a viable option for Sequential to offer a lower end model without 8Dio samples, if such a thing were even contractually possible? I've heard a number of people (Razmo for instance) say they're not interested in the ambient onboard samples. Perhaps throw some inputs on there if that wouldn't drastically hike back up the price. Seems like a platform that has a lot of potential to play around with, as Dave has even mentioned a lot the tech could be repurposed into a drum machine.
*lessen :P
It's possible but I think we'd likely see a module version before we saw a full sized lower end sample synth. Although it would likely look similar I think to a P12 type Module with less knobs. While I do absolutely love the onboard 8Dio samples of the PX, I do wonder what the price difference would have been if Dave Rossum collaborated with Sequential instead of 8Dio. Not sure he still owns the rights to the EMU library though. Hmmm
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Sometimes it's because a new instrument is about to appear, and sometimes it isn't. The last time Sweetwater did this, it was just a personal business decision. The time before, a new DSI synthesizer made its appearance. You just can tell.
Not sure if this is the case. During springtime this year I saw the Prophet X drop from 3800 to around 3500 Euro. First in one web shop, then others followed swiftly. When I saw the drop, I thought better buy now then to wait till later this year. But now, during summer, the price is dropping even lower with one web shop in the Netherlands now offering a deal under 3000 Euro.
To me it looks as if the Prophet X is seriously underrated, for me "she" has the feel of a future classic. :) :D
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Would it be a viable option for Sequential to offer a lower end model without 8Dio samples, if such a thing were even contractually possible? I've heard a number of people (Razmo for instance) say they're not interested in the ambient onboard samples. Perhaps throw some inputs on there if that wouldn't drastically hike back up the price. Seems like a platform that has a lot of potential to play around with, as Dave has even mentioned a lot the tech could be repurposed into a drum machine.
*lessen :P
DS not working with https://www.spitfireaudio.com (https://www.spitfireaudio.com) is a a missed opportunity IMHO.
I'm mostly using my own samples, so a way to get rid of the some of the chaff would be great. I suspect it will never be possible.
That's what I like about the Nords—you can put whatever you want in there. But the X's analog path is so nice ...
Stephen
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Another price drop from a shop in the Netherlands:
https://dedijkmusicstore.nl/product/dave-smith-instruments-prophet-x/ (https://dedijkmusicstore.nl/product/dave-smith-instruments-prophet-x/)
Now: € 2875
I'm getting a bit upset about this. Obviously it is my own responsibility I decided to buy earlier this year. Such a drop in a few months is quite radical. I feel I am now more than €500 out of pocket.
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Another price drop from a shop in the Netherlands:
https://dedijkmusicstore.nl/product/dave-smith-instruments-prophet-x/ (https://dedijkmusicstore.nl/product/dave-smith-instruments-prophet-x/)
Now: € 2875
I'm getting a bit upset about this. Obviously it is my own responsibility I decided to buy earlier this year. Such a drop in a few months is quite radical. I feel I am now more than €500 out of pocket.
No need to feel disparaged. You purchased a Prophet X for a price you we’re happy with, and presumably have enjoyed it for a longer period of time. If you wait long enough, you’ll be able to get one for $500. But that wouldn’t lessen the 25 years you had to enjoy it.
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You're right Shaw!
I love mine more than yesterday but less than tomorrow....
😉
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I still love my Prophet X and have every 8Dio expansion pack in it, I think it's a great synth.
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Another price drop from a shop in the Netherlands:
https://dedijkmusicstore.nl/product/dave-smith-instruments-prophet-x/ (https://dedijkmusicstore.nl/product/dave-smith-instruments-prophet-x/)
Now: € 2875
I'm getting a bit upset about this. Obviously it is my own responsibility I decided to buy earlier this year. Such a drop in a few months is quite radical. I feel I am now more than €500 out of pocket.
No need to feel disparaged. You purchased a Prophet X for a price you we’re happy with, and presumably have enjoyed it for a longer period of time. If you wait long enough, you’ll be able to get one for $500. But that wouldn’t lessen the 25 years you had to enjoy it.
Thanks Shaw, wise words well said.
Happily I am enjoying creating wonderful sounds and composing on the Prophet X as much, perhaps even more, than a few months ago.
Edit: mistyped Shaw's name
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I don’t own a Prophet X yet but things like this have never worried me except when I pre-ordered my MODX and even before any stock had arrived it had dropped in price a couple of hundred quid, so I got onto Gear4Music and then changed my price to the new one.
I was a bit annoyed when I purchased my Sub37 only to find that 2 weeks later the Subsequent was released that seemed to fix all the annoyances that I had with the Sub37 :)
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Would it be a viable option for Sequential to offer a lower end model without 8Dio samples, if such a thing were even contractually possible? I've heard a number of people (Razmo for instance) say they're not interested in the ambient onboard samples. Perhaps throw some inputs on there if that wouldn't drastically hike back up the price. Seems like a platform that has a lot of potential to play around with, as Dave has even mentioned a lot the tech could be repurposed into a drum machine.
*lessen :P
For me to even consider a Prophet X, two things would have to be assured:
1. A module version
2. A full fledged sample import tool that will give me ALL sampling features.
I hardly think those two criteria will ever see the light of day, so no thanks... My V-Synth GT will serve me well enough, even if it does not have analog filters... these days I'd choose a QUANTUM over the PX any time.
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I can't help you with the module request, of course, and my understanding is that there's simply too much physical hardware in a Prophet X to make a module practical. Plans change, as does technology, of course. I just wouldn't think it's a sure thing.
On the second front, however, my PXToolkit already exposes everything you can do with sample importing on the Prophet X. It's free for personal use, with all the details covered by the relevant thread "stickied" at the top of this area of the forum.
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Would it be a viable option for Sequential to offer a lower end model without 8Dio samples, if such a thing were even contractually possible? I've heard a number of people (Razmo for instance) say they're not interested in the ambient onboard samples. Perhaps throw some inputs on there if that wouldn't drastically hike back up the price. Seems like a platform that has a lot of potential to play around with, as Dave has even mentioned a lot the tech could be repurposed into a drum machine.
*lessen :P
For me to even consider a Prophet X, two things would have to be assured:
1. A module version
2. A full fledged sample import tool that will give me ALL sampling features.
I hardly think those two criteria will ever see the light of day, so no thanks... My V-Synth GT will serve me well enough, even if it does not have analog filters... these days I'd choose a QUANTUM over the PX any time.
Um....the Quantum doesn't have a module version either.
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Um....the Quantum doesn't have a module version either.
The Quantum is also dropping in price... Sweetwater is including it in their Yellow Tag sale. Price not advertised, but it’s a decent discount.
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Like I said before...if the price is good I may grab a PXL to compliment my PX.
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I like the Moog One better for a number of reasons, but there are a lot of things that the Prophet X does better, they both sound awesome to me. I have all the 8Dio extensions, why not?
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The Quantum is also dropping in price... Sweetwater is including it in their Yellow Tag sale. Price not advertised, but it’s a decent discount.
Are you sure about that? Might want to check again...
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The Quantum is also dropping in price... Sweetwater is including it in their Yellow Tag sale. Price not advertised, but it’s a decent discount.
Are you sure about that? Might want to check again...
They have since removed it from the sale, but what I said was true at the time. First hand knowledge.
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There's a couple of things that put me off the X
1) I saw quite a few people on these forums in the early days have issues where their synth went down completely and it took some time for them to get repaired. Even last month someone on YouTube who was doing a series of reviews on the X had his go down and it wasn't able to be repaired apparently.
2) The number of samples that I've heard that I will never use and in my mind take up valuable storage space and can't be removed. I would love it if they produced different 'versions' of the X that contained a different set of samples. A 'vintage' version for example would be the top of my list.
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Would it be a viable option for Sequential to offer a lower end model without 8Dio samples, if such a thing were even contractually possible? I've heard a number of people (Razmo for instance) say they're not interested in the ambient onboard samples. Perhaps throw some inputs on there if that wouldn't drastically hike back up the price. Seems like a platform that has a lot of potential to play around with, as Dave has even mentioned a lot the tech could be repurposed into a drum machine.
*lessen :P
For me to even consider a Prophet X, two things would have to be assured:
1. A module version
2. A full fledged sample import tool that will give me ALL sampling features.
I hardly think those two criteria will ever see the light of day, so no thanks... My V-Synth GT will serve me well enough, even if it does not have analog filters... these days I'd choose a QUANTUM over the PX any time.
Um....the Quantum doesn't have a module version either.
Nope, which is why I won't get one either... I simply do not have the space... But IF I was to exchange my GT for another sampler type keyboard, then currently I would chose the QUANTUM over the PX... None of the two will allow for a proper SysEx editor because of the samples which logically cannot be included in a preset SysEx dump, so it's crucial that a proper UI with a big screen is available... This is not so with the PX... And besides, QUANTUM is so much more in terms of synthesis, has better keybed... Not that I would say PX is bad, it's not, but if I had to chose, there really is no question that I'd run off with a QUANTUM... But as things are right now with my GT, which neither PX or Quantum will be able to compete with regarding the VariPhrase sampling synthesis, I am not going to part with my GT... The time stretch and formant features in addition to the GT's depth are worth so much more to me, than some extra analog filters... If Quantum comes in a module form I might consider it as another cool soundsource, but I am not sure that in that case, PX will give me much extra... I would rather get a Prophet 12 module for the synthesis part.
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Quantum has been available in every 15% sale at Pro Audio Star. Big discount.
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Please don’t hate me! I got a discount coupon to persuade me to return to a Netherlands online retailer and I was able to pick up a brand new Prophet X for €2457 ($2700). When it arrived it was at software version 1.2 and the samples had ERRORs all over the place, but once I updated the software and did a rescan of the library it was functioning perfectly. Ordered it on friday, got it on saturday and playing with it all day today...
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Congratulations! That sounds like one heck of a find.
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I just got my first Dave Smith Synth and I got a really good deal on my PX Demo for $2200 It came with a few small dents! That was the lowest I have seen anywhere! Very happy with it so far? :)
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Please don’t hate me! I got a discount coupon to persuade me to return to a Netherlands online retailer and I was able to pick up a brand new Prophet X for €2457 ($2700). When it arrived it was at software version 1.2 and the samples had ERRORs all over the place, but once I updated the software and did a rescan of the library it was functioning perfectly. Ordered it on friday, got it on saturday and playing with it all day today...
Ah well done! Excellent deal. It seems the retail price, at least in the Netherlands, has stabilized around €2850-€2900.
I gave my first live performance last Saturday, to friends, family and (long suffering) colleagues. Featuring me on the Prophet X, Rev2, Evolver, Digitone and Schrittmacher and my son on piano (and laptop ;-). Whatever I said before, what I paid for the Prophet X: it was definitely worth it.
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I just got my first Dave Smith Synth and I got a really good deal on my PX Demo for $2200 It came with a few small dents! That was the lowest I have seen anywhere! Very happy with it so far? :)
As long as the dents aren't modulation sources, you got a steal of a deal! :)
Congratulations and welcome!
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I don't even think about them now, Because the X is Black it's very hard to see any of them!
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Saw one brand new for $2,800 yesterday on sale, but ended up with a Quantum instead. Wish Sequential would have announced their next offering already...
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They're all different flavors of good, I miss things about the rev2 and the Tempest, but I'm trying to get rid of things, the Subsequent, Model D, and Lead 3 are in the garage now. I can't sell any of them, you understand.
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When it arrived it was at software version 1.2 and the samples had ERRORs all over the place, but once I updated the software and did a rescan of the library it was functioning perfectly.
How did you do a rescan the library, what is the function called on the PX?
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I didn't see this thread at the time, as I did not get my Prophet X until early November last year. :)
I was one of those swayed into purchasing my first Prophet by the BAX Shop price. I was looking for a Novation Summit but they were as rare as hen's teeth at the time due to being very new on the market and Novation not being able to keep up with the demand.
So I had the choice of waiting or seeing what else was about, when I stumbled upon the BAX Shop Prophet X price, which at the time was £2,400 GPB or about $3,000 USD or €2,800 EUR. This price was a little outside my budget of £2,000 but given I buy synths like this for the long haul (ten years min) then I decided that I was worth it :D
I was amazed by this price and didn't quite believe it at the time until the order was confirmed! Their current price is £2,700 which is again a price I probably would not have paid, so I was lucky! I definitely would not have paid the original asking price (and you can still see it being sold in Europe for over £3,000).
But to own a Prophet for £2,400, I jumped at the chance, especially after reading the Sound on Sound review. Strangely for a synth like this, I could not find any decent audio demos (I can't sit through hour long you tube videos listening to some boring nerd droning on about oscillators, who then occasionally makes a raw sound ;) ), so I did take a chance, but Bax have a good returns policy
Sadly since then, I have not had a huge amount of time in the studio, but I am now starting to program it and make use of it a little more. It certainly oozes quality both sonically and in build quality. So I was quite happy with the price I paid for it.
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Strangely for a synth like this, I could not find any decent audio demos .
>:(
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Strangely for a synth like this, I could not find any decent audio demos .
>:(
Lobo, I laughed so hard at your reply!!!!
Thanks, Mate!
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Strangely for a synth like this, I could not find any decent audio demos .
>:(
Lobo, I laughed so hard at your reply!!!!
Thanks, Mate!
LOL I actually gasped out loud when I first read Derek Cook's statement. LOL
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Strangely for a synth like this, I could not find any decent audio demos .
>:(
Lobo, I laughed so hard at your reply!!!!
Thanks, Mate!
LOL I actually gasped out loud when I first read Derek Cook's statement. LOL
Still true though. :) There was only one online demo I found that made me go "wow".
And demos are important to me in my purchase decisions, as there are no music stores where I live to go and demo them. Nearest stores are two/three hours drive away and none of them stock Sequential gear.
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I've watched/listened to them all and I'd have to agree. Aside from the SonicState review where Nick managed some really nice sounds, this is the only demo that really made me want one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1IcLsB41sk
On a side note, I've yet to hear anything good come from the Nord Wave 2, especially anything coming from the company itself... It's as if Nord is trying their best not to sell them.
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I've watched/listened to them all and I'd have to agree. Aside from the SonicState review where Nick managed some really nice sounds, this is the only demo that really made me want one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1IcLsB41sk
On a side note, I've yet to hear anything good come from the Nord Wave 2, especially anything coming from the company itself... It's as if Nord is trying their best not to sell them.
This was the demo that made decide to take a chance on the Prophet X. There was some stuff in there that I was not impressed with, but enough to make me go for it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N83M472PuN0
BTW, I felt the same with Nord with their G2 Modular way back in 2006. I could not find a decent demo of that which was not dance oriented (not my cup of tea). But I found a rack unit (the G2 Engine) at a price (£300) that was too good to miss (knowing I could sell on and make no loss if I did not like it), so I took a chance on it. What an awesome synth. It was my main synth engine in my Pink Floyd Tribute band for many years, and I got all of the Moog/VCS3 sounds that I needed out of it, and it was of course great for other things, and still is.
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Strangely for a synth like this, I could not find any decent audio demos .
>:(
Lobo, I laughed so hard at your reply!!!!
Thanks, Mate!
LOL I actually gasped out loud when I first read Derek Cook's statement. LOL
Still true though. :) There was only one online demo I found that made me go "wow".
I've failed.
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Strangely for a synth like this, I could not find any decent audio demos .
>:(
Lobo, I laughed so hard at your reply!!!!
Thanks, Mate!
LOL I actually gasped out loud when I first read Derek Cook's statement. LOL
Still true though. :) There was only one online demo I found that made me go "wow".
I've failed.
? I'm afraid you've lost me, but that is easily done these days....
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Strangely for a synth like this, I could not find any decent audio demos .
>:(
Lobo, I laughed so hard at your reply!!!!
Thanks, Mate!
LOL I actually gasped out loud when I first read Derek Cook's statement. LOL
Still true though. :) There was only one online demo I found that made me go "wow".
I've failed.
? I'm afraid you've lost me, but that is easily done these days....
Lobo has done tons of YouTube videos of his compositions featuring the Prophet X... none of which you mentioned as good demos of the Prophet X.
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Lobo has done tons of YouTube videos of his compositions featuring the Prophet X... none of which you mentioned as good demos of the Prophet X.
Ah, I see. :)
Sadly they did not come up when I was searching the internet at the time last October. So, unfortunately, an "unknown unknown" situation, and even if they are the best demos ever :) and they would have melted my brain, they could not be a help to me if I did not come across them. And I only found this forum when I registered my Prophet X.
Perhaps I am doing something wrong, but even knowing that now you have told me, I cannot find them on Youtube despite doing different search queries directly on the site such as "Lobo Prophet X", "Lobo Sequential" etc.
It's after the event now for me, but how do I find them on Youtube?
Asking out of genuine interest, and perhaps I can point others at them?
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Lobo has done tons of YouTube videos of his compositions featuring the Prophet X... none of which you mentioned as good demos of the Prophet X.
Ah, I see. :)
Sadly they did not come up when I was searching the internet at the time last October. So, unfortunately, an "unknown unknown" situation, and even if they are the best demos ever :) and they would have melted my brain, they could not be a help to me if I did not come across them. And I only found this forum when I registered my Prophet X.
Perhaps I am doing something wrong, but even knowing that now you have told me, I cannot find them on Youtube despite doing different search queries directly on the site such as "Lobo Prophet X", "Lobo Sequential" etc.
It's after the event now for me, but how do I find them on Youtube?
Asking out of genuine interest, and perhaps I can point others at them?
https://youtu.be/59JKdemUPlA (https://youtu.be/59JKdemUPlA)
I’m pretty sure Lobo was just joking around.
I was.
;D
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Lobo has done tons of YouTube videos of his compositions featuring the Prophet X... none of which you mentioned as good demos of the Prophet X.
Ah, I see. :)
Sadly they did not come up when I was searching the internet at the time last October. So, unfortunately, an "unknown unknown" situation, and even if they are the best demos ever :) and they would have melted my brain, they could not be a help to me if I did not come across them. And I only found this forum when I registered my Prophet X.
Perhaps I am doing something wrong, but even knowing that now you have told me, I cannot find them on Youtube despite doing different search queries directly on the site such as "Lobo Prophet X", "Lobo Sequential" etc.
It's after the event now for me, but how do I find them on Youtube?
Asking out of genuine interest, and perhaps I can point others at them?
LOL I was just joking around. I've put out a ton of videos but I don't get much traffic at all.
Here is the most recent video I did in regards to some sounds I made on the Prophet X. You can check my channel for the full review/more demos and compositions I've done with it. Even did a video showing some user samples I put in as well. I mostly do film soundtracks so it might not be your cup of tea anyway but hopefully you'll dig it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPBjUmecNhw&t=64s
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Lobos is being modest. Here's his SoundCloud page: https://soundcloud.com/user-523209234-123574856 Good stuff.
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Thank you guys. You are way too kind. :) I appreciate it.