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SEQUENTIAL/DSI => Prophet => Prophet 12 => Topic started by: Bald Eagle on September 26, 2015, 09:15:00 PM
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What is the status of the Prophet 12 Main OS 1.2.26 (beta)? Is an updated new release candidate scheduled to be available in the near future?
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I'd like to know this too... some time ago, it was revealed that Carson had a newer version where some stuff worked, that do not in the current version... I'm still waiting for that fix.
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The current version 1.2.26 (beta) hasn't had much in the way of complaints so I bit the bullet today. What intrigued me was the FM and Unison changes and with about ten minutes of messing about with them I can say I am happy. This machine has fixed my need for a modular monster. Plus it is polyphonic.
I would say that you should back up your patches (I use SysEx Librarian on the Mac) and after updating run the calibration routines in the global section.
Bruce
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What is the status of the Prophet 12 Main OS 1.2.26 (beta)? Is an updated new release candidate scheduled to be available in the near future?
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According to the other forum, another bug has been found in the P12, which has been added to the bug-list for fixing... so at some point I suppose we'll see a fix... only the usual question: When.
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What is the status of the Prophet 12 Main OS 1.2.26 (beta)? Is an updated new release candidate scheduled to be available in the near future?
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And Bang! A new forum, nice! :)
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The current P12 beta OS I believe is the current production OS. There probably won't be too many further updates for the P12, although there are a couple bug fixes coming up
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The current P12 beta OS I believe is the current production OS. There probably won't be too many further updates for the P12, although there are a couple bug fixes coming up
There is still so much more you can add to the P12 via software! :) Put me down for the Dave Smith software update plan. It will be like the Apple Iphone plan, you pay $50 a month and always will have the latest DaveSmith synth and upgraded o/s ;D
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The current P12 beta OS I believe is the current production OS. There probably won't be too many further updates for the P12, although there are a couple bug fixes coming up
Pym, I believe you mean the current beta that you have there at the moment could be the final version? The shared beta does not have the audio mod working + possibly some other small bugs that were reported. In any case, I am very satisfied with features of the latest version, once the audio mod source is working. :)
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The latest version should be 1.3 according to someone on the "old" forum, who somehow got that version after having his P12 serviced... that is the one we're waiting for I guess, because Carson stated that this version has Audio Mod source working again.
I'm also looking forward to those last bug fixes... really not much more I could wish for...
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The current P12 beta OS I believe is the current production OS. There probably won't be too many further updates for the P12, although there are a couple bug fixes coming up
So pym you mean there won't be any more features added to the Prophet 12 ever?
No chance of phase mod FM or the super waveforms from the pro 2? :(
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I'm guessing that they are gonna wait till NAMM to debut the new OS
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Not too long then! Will there be any new features do you think or just boring bug fixes? I don't think that would make much of an impression at the show.
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Let's not forget that the OS is still beta, waiting for official announcement. Also, IT HAS major new features (linear FM etc.) and bug fixes. The NAMM will be a good place to announce the final version and to let the public know more about the new Prophet 12 features. It is like a new synth with the latest OS. Realistically, I would not wait for any more features. This OS is already beyond the typical DSI OS updating habits. On the other hand, releasing it free of major bugs is important.
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The NAMM will be a good place to announce the final version and to let the public know more about the new Prophet 12 features.
If I know DSI right they will spend all of their time before NAMM on getting the new product(s) ready for demonstration at the NAMM show. I would be very (but pleasantly) surprised if DSI had resources to polish off the Prophet 12 OS at that time. My guess is more like next spring/summer once the new baby is out of the door.
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F5D, I see what you are saying and thanks for making that clear, but what did Pym mean exactly by "There probably won't be too many further updates for the P12, although there are a couple bug fixes coming up"? does he mean only in the case of 1.3 or for all future updates? I think whether any features will be added in the future or not is an important thing that current owners and potential buyers would like to know. When I found out that linear fm was added I was really excited because I thought it would be like a DX7 but its not quite because Phase mod FM can be a lot harsher sounding and linear fm doesn't seem to self oscilate the same either. I wonder whether it would be possible on the pro 12, maybe it would be too easy to overload the processors.
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I must admit that I do not understand the way they think at DSI... Until now, at least ONE person has had his P12 returned from service at DSI, where the latest beta is installed (where Audio Mod is working)... I really don't see the reason to keep us waiting for that to work for this long... why the hell don't they just release that version to us, so that we can all help beta test as usual... Why let some users have it, and not others?.... I'm getting a bit irritated, that the Audio Mod is not working... one of my previously made presets actualy use it, and it's useless to me until that beta is out...
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Well, it was beta ... install at your own risk, and I did. After the stream of the last beta's (26 of them) maybe they thought best to be a bit more controlled.
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https://twitter.com/dsiSequential/status/673931334843170816
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https://twitter.com/dsiSequential/status/673931334843170816
And who is that person that will love DSI for it? ;D ... Yeah... I will... I guess... though I've forgotten about P12 for the moment, as I've found a MIDI bug on Sub37 now... AAAARGH! :(
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There are still bugs in the Voyager so I'm not surprised.
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https://twitter.com/dsiSequential/status/673931334843170816
Cool! Hm... when? :)
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Logically (maybe) it will be at NAMM.
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New owner of a P12 module here...just updated to 1.2.26 and was wondering if anyone has written up a step-by-step guide to implementing the 4 operator FM now possible? I read somewhere that 1.2.26 will allow FM a la the old Yamaha DX9 (which was limited to 4 operators vs the DX7) and I've searched through a few forums and read the release notes in the OS but can't find anything that clicks for me.
Thanks :wink:
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Oscillator Level page, 4th encoder chooses between Exponential and Linear. Set it to Linear.
P.S. It's not quite like the DX series as they use Phase modulation where the P12 uses Frequency modulation so it doesn't sound quite the same. I have included an example patch using linear FM that you might want to look at to see how things can be set up. It uses both layers and the FM envelopes are set up in the modulation slots. It will load in U1-P29.
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Oscillator Level page, 4th encoder chooses between Exponential and Linear. Set it to Linear.
P.S. It's not quite like the DX series as they use Phase modulation where the P12 uses Frequency modulation so it doesn't sound quite the same. I have included an example patch using linear FM that you might want to look at to see how things can be set up. It uses both layers and the FM envelopes are set up in the modulation slots. It will load in U1-P29.
Fantastic, I'll check out your patch...
Thanks BobTheDog 8)
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I'm very excited about this. I'd love to hear some audio demos of what its linear FM patches sound like.
Programming FM sounds is always challenging and is heavily dependent on minute changes in the amount of modulation, whether it's the amount modulating oscillators affect the carriers, the amount the envelopes affect either, or how much velocity affects things like the amount the modulator modulates the carrier or the decay rate of the modulator's envelope.
I feel that the importance of envelopes is often discounted when it comes to Lin. FM. One of my favorite features of the DX7 is that instead of a common ADSR envelope, it had independent amounts for each stage of the envelope as well as settings for the rates at which it would reach the peak amount of each stage.
At any rate, I'm genuinely excited about the possibilities of linear FM on this beast!! I can't wait to hear it in the context of some music.
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When these bug fixes, updates, and features are finally completed, I'm going to take another good long look at the Prophet 12. Hopefully, my patience will be rewarded, because I sure would like a synthesizer the size of the P12. This instrument has come a long ways since its first release. Its present form could almost be called a Prophet 12 Rev. 2.
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This instrument has come a long ways since its first release.
There have been made some changes, yes. But by far the largest change is the improvement in Prophet 12 owners sound design skills. The instrument still have its have its original overall digital tone from its digital oscillator section so nothing have changed on that front. But with the addition of the Linear FM feature new types of sounds are possible. Oh and the digital delays have improved significantly with the addition of filters and pan. Hope to see that in a future DSI instrument that I like and can afford.
Look forward to hear your thoughts after working with the Prophet 12 for some time.
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Oscillator Level page, 4th encoder chooses between Exponential and Linear. Set it to Linear.
P.S. It's not quite like the DX series as they use Phase modulation where the P12 uses Frequency modulation so it doesn't sound quite the same. I have included an example patch using linear FM that you might want to look at to see how things can be set up. It uses both layers and the FM envelopes are set up in the modulation slots. It will load in U1-P29.
Hey, thanks Bob - that's a very nice-sounding program 8)
Martin
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I created these patches with the latest beta OS, a few of the patches have been programmed with the Linear FM
https://soundcloud.com/bobswans/sets/dsi-prophet-12-patches-by
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At last.... OS 1.3 is available for download...
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Did you like the video?
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Audio mod is still not working for me on 1.3
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Did you like the video?
Have not seen it yet :)
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Audio mod is still not working for me on 1.3
Me neither... DSI why is this not working still!? :o
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Me neither... DSI why is this not working still!? :o
Possible reasons for Audio Out modulation source not working yet:
(1) Coding or build error at DSI.
(2) DSI tester confirms a false positive so that its not working but are said to do so.
(3) Customers not using it correctly.
Easiest way to tell which one: DSI and customers posts patches demonstrating the feature along with a description of the patches expected behavior. Be sure to review each others work in the process!
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Well it's not 3.
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Well it's not 3.
Quite - you can try routing Audio Mod to any of its available destinations, and it still does absolutely nothing :(
Surely if there were a problem implementing Audio Mod as a source in 1.3, then DSI would have removed it as an option rather rather than leaving it in as a dummy entry :-\
Martin