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Title: Behringer Prophet 5?
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on February 17, 2019, 03:29:02 PM
It's not clear, but this is typically how Behringer makes an announcement.  Egads, will there be a Behringer Prophet 5?  It was only a matter of time before they turned to the cornerstone of the great and venerable Dave Smith heritage.  Considering the legal issues that went between Behringer and Dave Smith Instruments, and that directly concerned this forum, it certainly reveals more of the Behringer character many of us have come to loathe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDZCgm2IwjY
Title: Re: Behringer Prophet 5?
Post by: Paul Dither on February 17, 2019, 04:40:56 PM
They recently acquired an auctioned collection of Tears for Fears gear that sat in storage for ages. Among the keyboard instruments were this Prophet-5, an Emulator II, and a Yamaha DX1. I'm not sure whether this is indicative of any planned reverse engineering. Particularly with regard to the DX1 I'm doubtful, since the appeal of that instrument lies in its luxurious interface, wooden keys and all that, just like with the CS-80 – very unlikely to reappear in that shape and form on today's market, no matter who would manufacture it. They did, however, announce their take on the Pro-One in the desktop module format.

Edit: Plus, I also believe the name "Prophet" is protected as a trademark.
Title: Re: Behringer Prophet 5?
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on February 17, 2019, 04:56:52 PM
What, then, would be the purpose of the video?  Don't you find it overly suggestive, in typical Behringer fashion?  Just watch the comments under the video and see the impression it makes on synthesists.  As for the name, that could be slightly altered to avoid legal problems.

This is just how Behringer begins to announce a new product and gets the Internet a-buzzing about it.  I would place the Prophet 5 (or the Brophet 5, as people are already calling it) in the Behringer "future possibilities" category.
Title: Re: Behringer Prophet 5?
Post by: Paul Dither on February 17, 2019, 05:11:38 PM
For now, the purpose of the videos is to show the restauration of the acquired instruments with some sort of teaser quality. All of the above mentioned instruments are somewhat desired nostalgia objects that some people would like to see on the market again. Whether that'll eventually happen, no-one knows. Of course such videos are perfect occasions for playing with customer desires. AFAIK, the OB-Xa is currently at the top of the list. Since that was a synth based on the more stable Curtis chips and CEM3340 VCO chips are already used in other products, some crucial parts are already around. Might just be a case of putting two and two together.
Title: Re: Behringer Prophet 5?
Post by: megamarkd on February 17, 2019, 05:50:09 PM
I some forum somewhere brought my attention to the news that Behringer had bought a good number of Tears For Fears' touring gear at auction end of last year, here's a link to the article that was cited: http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2018/12/20/are-these-the-synths-that-behringer-will-clone-next/ (http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2018/12/20/are-these-the-synths-that-behringer-will-clone-next/)

They recently acquired an auctioned collection of Tears for Fears gear that sat in storage for ages. Among the keyboard instruments were this Prophet-5, an Emulator II, and a Yamaha DX1. I'm not sure whether this is indicative of any planned reverse engineering. Particularly with regard to the DX1 I'm doubtful, since the appeal of that instrument lies in its luxurious interface, wooden keys and all that, just like with the CS-80 – very unlikely to reappear in that shape and form on today's market, no matter who would manufacture it. They did, however, announce their take on the Pro-One in the desktop module format.

Edit: Plus, I also believe the name "Prophet" is protected as a trademark.

I've seen the Pro One in a list of "coming soon" clones also.  I'm not really liking the idea that they might be doing clone of all those synths.  When I saw the had purchased a Prophet 5, my heart sunk.  It reminds me of the "Business is business" story of MJ and Paul McCartney, but somehow worse.  I feel they are trading on other people's hard work and reputations.
I don't know if Waldorf own any copyrights surrounding the PPG Wave 2 but that doesn't mean Behringer can't release something with it's styling and the same wavetables (I'm pretty sure those waves are 'owned' by anyone).  The EMU operating system is one of the things that made those samplers so amazing and considering that sampling quality that of the Ultra family was surpassed a long long time ago, it would be a case of again just copying the instrument styling and then giving it the multisampling features of the original.

It seems they might be actually doing the DX1 first, here's a video that was posted to another forum: https://www.youtube.com/embed/9abemf3sIc4 (https://www.youtube.com/embed/9abemf3sIc4)

The front-face programming functions of the DX1 are also something that made the DX1 a synth that is worth owning beside the wonderful case and increased polyphony.
Title: Re: Behringer Prophet 5?
Post by: Paul Dither on February 18, 2019, 10:42:07 AM
It seems they might be actually doing the DX1 first, here's a video that was posted to another forum: https://www.youtube.com/embed/9abemf3sIc4 (https://www.youtube.com/embed/9abemf3sIc4)

The front-face programming functions of the DX1 are also something that made the DX1 a synth that is worth owning beside the wonderful case and increased polyphony.

The DX1 was basically two DX7s, just like the DX5 (including twice the voice count and splits and stacks as bi-timbral options), but with a more appealing UI and wooden keys that featured polyphonic aftertouch. While the internal technology could certainly be reproduced on a dead cheap level, the build cost of the chassis would amount to too much to keep this product attractive for any realistic market. I assume the restauration is only done for the private collection. Plus, you can still get plenty of original DX7s for up to $300. They're not a rarity. The last time, DX7s for $300 would have been a sensation was in the 1980s.
Title: Re: Behringer Prophet 5?
Post by: SandyS1 on February 18, 2019, 11:23:17 AM
Uli has said that his synthesizer projects are a passion project for him, basically issuing all the keyboards he lusted after as a young player but couldn't afford. So I suspect this restoration project is partially to get models for some things he wants to reintroduce and partially just for nostalgia.

While I abhor his litigiousness, his reissues seem fairly harmless. I'm sure if Sequential wanted to reissue a Pro One, they could do it and it would do fairly well among all those who want the genuine name and among all those who hate Behringer. But I doubt it would make a lot of money, and everyone price sensitive would go for the Behringer remake instead.

However, Dave and company are clearly not interested in retreading old ground very often, so I think they're probably just as happy leaving the nostalgia market to others and focus more on innovation and quality. Ironically, I think the announcement and subsequent long development time of the UB-Xa has probably spurred a number of sales of the OB-6 just because peoples' appetites have been whetted, and they've gotten tired of waiting.
Title: Re: Behringer Prophet 5?
Post by: Shaw on February 18, 2019, 11:53:09 AM
However, Dave and company are clearly not interested in retreading old ground very often, so I think they're probably just as happy leaving the nostalgia market to others and focus more on innovation and quality. Ironically, I think the announcement and subsequent long development time of the UB-Xa has probably spurred a number of sales of the OB-6 just because peoples' appetites have been whetted, and they've gotten tired of waiting.
Agreed.  I think, for example, the Prophet 6 is a better synth than the Prophet 5 was -- no, I'm not knocking the Prophet 5, and yes, I know someone will get irate over that comment.  But why wouldn't it be a better synth?  It has the benefit of almost 40 years of technological advancement and the accumulated experience of the designer.  If it weren't a better synth, that would be a very poor selection on DSI / Sequential.


Same goes for the OB-6 vs. OB-XA (ever see someone try to tune one of those beasts?!?!?)


Keep going Dave. Ignore Behringer altogether -- unless they violate a patent, trademark or copyright you hold.
Title: Re: Behringer Prophet 5?
Post by: LoboLives on February 18, 2019, 11:57:53 AM
However, Dave and company are clearly not interested in retreading old ground very often, so I think they're probably just as happy leaving the nostalgia market to others and focus more on innovation and quality. Ironically, I think the announcement and subsequent long development time of the UB-Xa has probably spurred a number of sales of the OB-6 just because peoples' appetites have been whetted, and they've gotten tired of waiting.
Agreed.  I think, for example, the Prophet 6 is a better synth than the Prophet 5 was -- no, I'm not knocking the Prophet 5, and yes, I know someone will get irate over that comment.  But why wouldn't it be a better synth?  It has the benefit of almost 40 years of technological advancement and the accumulated experience of the designer.  If it weren't a better synth, that would be a very poor selection on DSI / Sequential.


Same goes for the OB-6 vs. OB-XA (ever see someone try to tune one of those beasts?!?!?)


Keep going Dave. Ignore Behringer altogether -- unless they violate a patent, trademark or copyright you hold.

I agree 100%. The Prophet 5 is less powerful and missing a lot of features the Prophet 6 has. In fact I would say the only thing it has over the P6 is the octave range but I still wouldn’t get a Prophet 5 just for that reason.
Title: Re: Behringer Prophet 5?
Post by: Quatschmacher on February 18, 2019, 02:15:00 PM
However, Dave and company are clearly not interested in retreading old ground very often, so I think they're probably just as happy leaving the nostalgia market to others and focus more on innovation and quality. Ironically, I think the announcement and subsequent long development time of the UB-Xa has probably spurred a number of sales of the OB-6 just because peoples' appetites have been whetted, and they've gotten tired of waiting.
Agreed.  I think, for example, the Prophet 6 is a better synth than the Prophet 5 was -- no, I'm not knocking the Prophet 5, and yes, I know someone will get irate over that comment.  But why wouldn't it be a better synth?  It has the benefit of almost 40 years of technological advancement and the accumulated experience of the designer.  If it weren't a better synth, that would be a very poor selection on DSI / Sequential.


Same goes for the OB-6 vs. OB-XA (ever see someone try to tune one of those beasts?!?!?)


Keep going Dave. Ignore Behringer altogether -- unless they violate a patent, trademark or copyright you hold.

I agree 100%. The Prophet 5 is less powerful and missing a lot of features the Prophet 6 has. In fact I would say the only thing it has over the P6 is the octave range but I still wouldn’t get a Prophet 5 just for that reason.

That and the fact the P5 could have multiple waveforms active on a single oscillator.

The 4-octave keybed is one thing that is holding me back (despite the fact the P6 is heavily discounted at one seller in my region at the moment).
Title: Re: Behringer Prophet 5?
Post by: LoboLives on February 18, 2019, 02:57:35 PM
However, Dave and company are clearly not interested in retreading old ground very often, so I think they're probably just as happy leaving the nostalgia market to others and focus more on innovation and quality. Ironically, I think the announcement and subsequent long development time of the UB-Xa has probably spurred a number of sales of the OB-6 just because peoples' appetites have been whetted, and they've gotten tired of waiting.
Agreed.  I think, for example, the Prophet 6 is a better synth than the Prophet 5 was -- no, I'm not knocking the Prophet 5, and yes, I know someone will get irate over that comment.  But why wouldn't it be a better synth?  It has the benefit of almost 40 years of technological advancement and the accumulated experience of the designer.  If it weren't a better synth, that would be a very poor selection on DSI / Sequential.


Same goes for the OB-6 vs. OB-XA (ever see someone try to tune one of those beasts?!?!?)


Keep going Dave. Ignore Behringer altogether -- unless they violate a patent, trademark or copyright you hold.

I agree 100%. The Prophet 5 is less powerful and missing a lot of features the Prophet 6 has. In fact I would say the only thing it has over the P6 is the octave range but I still wouldn’t get a Prophet 5 just for that reason.

That and the fact the P5 could have multiple waveforms active on a single oscillator.

The 4-octave keybed is one thing that is holding me back (despite the fact the P6 is heavily discounted at one seller in my region at the moment).

Still the features on the P6 far outweigh the Prophet 5. I actually like the idea of continuously variable Wave knob on the P6. Im not sure if you could modulate the shape of the oscillators on the P5 but you can with the P6.

Could always go for a module if you want more octaves. It doesn’t bother me personally. I actually think 5 octaves are only good if you can do splits and layers on a synth. That’s just me though. The P6 is still my favorite synth.
Title: Re: Behringer Prophet 5?
Post by: Razmo on February 18, 2019, 04:13:32 PM
I honestly do not see the problem... many of the patents have run out, and A LOT of other companies try to replicate older synths (funny enough, no one seems to wrinkle their noses at them!? why!?") ...

Second, many of these synths have been moaned about to the original producing companies FOR YEARS ON END... and none of the companies gave a shit about the people who wanted them... Behringer is giving the users what they want... if that is a problem for Roland, Sequential, Korg, Oberheim whatever, then they COULD HAVE LISTENED!

I give nothing for said original companies arrogance in this regard... they've had the opportunities to listen... but did not... that Behringer may be cloning curcuits to make them is something A LOT of other companies have done, if not whole, then partially... how many replicas are out there of the MOOG ladder filter, not from Behringer?

No... the companies a crying because Behringer sell their stuff so cheap they have to compete... this is the so called "free market mechanism" that all the neo-liberalists are constantly whining about as "GOD!" ... except when it means they they themselves are the hunted, and not the hunter...

So no... I have no qualms with Behringer in any way... and I may buy their DeepMind someday actually...
Title: Re: Behringer Prophet 5?
Post by: LoboLives on February 18, 2019, 08:13:23 PM
I honestly do not see the problem... many of the patents have run out, and A LOT of other companies try to replicate older synths (funny enough, no one seems to wrinkle their noses at them!? why!?") ...

Second, many of these synths have been moaned about to the original producing companies FOR YEARS ON END... and none of the companies gave a shit about the people who wanted them... Behringer is giving the users what they want... if that is a problem for Roland, Sequential, Korg, Oberheim whatever, then they COULD HAVE LISTENED!

I give nothing for said original companies arrogance in this regard... they've had the opportunities to listen... but did not... that Behringer may be cloning curcuits to make them is something A LOT of other companies have done, if not whole, then partially... how many replicas are out there of the MOOG ladder filter, not from Behringer?

No... the companies a crying because Behringer sell their stuff so cheap they have to compete... this is the so called "free market mechanism" that all the neo-liberalists are constantly whining about as "GOD!" ... except when it means they they themselves are the hunted, and not the hunter...

So no... I have no qualms with Behringer in any way... and I may buy their DeepMind someday actually...

I don’t care about the clone aspect of Behringer, I just can’t support a company who sue people on forums simply because they got their feelings hurt. I couldn’t care less if they come out with a Prophet 10 clone, CS80 clone and Synclavier clone, I just can’t support that type of behavior.
Title: Re: Behringer Prophet 5?
Post by: Razmo on February 18, 2019, 09:04:21 PM
I honestly do not see the problem... many of the patents have run out, and A LOT of other companies try to replicate older synths (funny enough, no one seems to wrinkle their noses at them!? why!?") ...

Second, many of these synths have been moaned about to the original producing companies FOR YEARS ON END... and none of the companies gave a shit about the people who wanted them... Behringer is giving the users what they want... if that is a problem for Roland, Sequential, Korg, Oberheim whatever, then they COULD HAVE LISTENED!

I give nothing for said original companies arrogance in this regard... they've had the opportunities to listen... but did not... that Behringer may be cloning curcuits to make them is something A LOT of other companies have done, if not whole, then partially... how many replicas are out there of the MOOG ladder filter, not from Behringer?

No... the companies a crying because Behringer sell their stuff so cheap they have to compete... this is the so called "free market mechanism" that all the neo-liberalists are constantly whining about as "GOD!" ... except when it means they they themselves are the hunted, and not the hunter...

So no... I have no qualms with Behringer in any way... and I may buy their DeepMind someday actually...

I don’t care about the clone aspect of Behringer, I just can’t support a company who sue people on forums simply because they got their feelings hurt. I couldn’t care less if they come out with a Prophet 10 clone, CS80 clone and Synclavier clone, I just can’t support that type of behavior.

On that I agree though... that episode was a bit stupid on Behringer's behalf, but it still has no impact on my view on purchasing their products though... besides, Behringer is being constantly bashed by both other companies and customers because they feel their feelings has been hurt by Behringer's actions, so maybe it all evens out in the end anyway.
Title: Re: Behringer Prophet 5?
Post by: SandyS1 on February 18, 2019, 10:26:27 PM
So no... I have no qualms with Behringer in any way... and I may buy their DeepMind someday actually...

I agree--they're filling a niche in the market only maybe Roland or Korg could, and Korg has done it some but not to the price point Behringer has.

I own the DeepMind, the Neutron, and the Model D. I bought the Model D because I just couldn't justify spending $3.5K on a monophonic synth without patch memory. I still ended up wanting a Minimoog with patch memory, so I got an SE-1. If Moog would have made one, even at $3K, I probably would have bought it. Their more modern designs just didn't do it for me.

Back to topic, Behringer have done a great job on their less copycat synths, and the Neutron has been some of the most fun I've had just exploring. The Model D scratched a similar itch in "I've always wanted this but couldn't justify the cost." Now that I have an OB-6, I doubt I'll get the UB-Xa, and none of the other clones have really called to me. Maybe if they do an affordable Jupiter 8, but I hope they do it in a module.
Title: Re: Behringer Prophet 5?
Post by: LoboLives on February 18, 2019, 10:38:02 PM
https://www.factmag.com/2019/02/06/roland-303-808-trademark-filing/
Title: Re: Behringer Prophet 5?
Post by: Quatschmacher on February 19, 2019, 08:12:51 AM
However, Dave and company are clearly not interested in retreading old ground very often, so I think they're probably just as happy leaving the nostalgia market to others and focus more on innovation and quality. Ironically, I think the announcement and subsequent long development time of the UB-Xa has probably spurred a number of sales of the OB-6 just because peoples' appetites have been whetted, and they've gotten tired of waiting.
Agreed.  I think, for example, the Prophet 6 is a better synth than the Prophet 5 was -- no, I'm not knocking the Prophet 5, and yes, I know someone will get irate over that comment.  But why wouldn't it be a better synth?  It has the benefit of almost 40 years of technological advancement and the accumulated experience of the designer.  If it weren't a better synth, that would be a very poor selection on DSI / Sequential.


Same goes for the OB-6 vs. OB-XA (ever see someone try to tune one of those beasts?!?!?)


Keep going Dave. Ignore Behringer altogether -- unless they violate a patent, trademark or copyright you hold.

I agree 100%. The Prophet 5 is less powerful and missing a lot of features the Prophet 6 has. In fact I would say the only thing it has over the P6 is the octave range but I still wouldn’t get a Prophet 5 just for that reason.

That and the fact the P5 could have multiple waveforms active on a single oscillator.

The 4-octave keybed is one thing that is holding me back (despite the fact the P6 is heavily discounted at one seller in my region at the moment).

Still the features on the P6 far outweigh the Prophet 5. I actually like the idea of continuously variable Wave knob on the P6. Im not sure if you could modulate the shape of the oscillators on the P5 but you can with the P6.

Could always go for a module if you want more octaves. It doesn’t bother me personally. I actually think 5 octaves are only good if you can do splits and layers on a synth. That’s just me though. The P6 is still my favorite synth.

Ironically, if splits were possible on the P6 then the shorter keyboard would be fine as I’d be able to pitch each split up or down as necessary. I’ve been experimenting using only 4 octaves on my Nord Piano 2 and am finding that if I have it pitched high enough to be able to play standard RH voicings I regularly use (which go up to the G# above the one above middle C) then I run out of bass notes in the more satisfying range. I wish the Nord had wheels and aftertouch as I’d simply buy a module. (Perhaps it may be time to get the Stage 3 version or the Yamaha CP-88.)
Title: Re: Behringer Prophet 5?
Post by: DavidDever on February 20, 2019, 07:47:16 AM
So no... I have no qualms with Behringer in any way... and I may buy their DeepMind someday actually...

I just did!–at $500 USD, there's very little to complain about within reason; the built-in effects are decent and the unit is largely "complete". There are still some niggles as far as the interface is concerned (i.e., deep editing requires some scrolling to select the parameter in question), but the value is good.

And I also bought the Neutron (dual V3340 VCOs); both are inspired-by-but-original designs, so to speak, and fit into the overall scheme reasonably well.

I am waiting to see what Sequential offers up in terms of a deeper analogue design (matrix mod, multiple LFOs, VCOs, etc.) before I pull the trigger on a Prophet 6, though I don't expect Behringer to change my mind in any way, shape or form.
Title: Re: Behringer Prophet 5?
Post by: megamarkd on February 20, 2019, 11:41:04 PM
So no... I have no qualms with Behringer in any way... and I may buy their DeepMind someday actually...

I just did!–at $500 USD, there's very little to complain about within reason; the built-in effects are decent and the unit is largely "complete". There are still some niggles as far as the interface is concerned (i.e., deep editing requires some scrolling to select the parameter in question), but the value is good.

Was that the 6 or the 12?  That is almost half what the 12 runs at here.
Title: Re: Behringer Prophet 5?
Post by: DavidDever on February 21, 2019, 03:44:10 PM
Was that the 6 or the 12?  That is almost half what the 12 runs at here.

12 keyboard!
Title: Re: Behringer Prophet 5?
Post by: Sleep of Reason on February 25, 2019, 03:05:35 PM
I too would rather have a P6 than a P5.

However, this whole, "the companies who actually made these products weren't doing anything with what they created, so props to another company that will" notion is flat out absurd. Also there's a world of difference between taking influence from and doing a cheap knock off of. China, for instance, has a long standing (bad) practice of the latter.
Title: Re: Behringer Prophet 5?
Post by: LoboLives on February 25, 2019, 04:14:52 PM
I too would rather have a P6 than a P5.

However, this whole, "the companies who actually made these products weren't doing anything with what they created, so props to another company that will" notion is flat out absurd. Also there's a world of difference between taking influence from and doing a cheap knock off of. China, for instance, has a long standing (bad) practice of the latter.

Electro Harmonix just won a lawsuit against Moor Pedals for this.
Title: Re: Behringer Prophet 5?
Post by: Simple Rabbit on February 25, 2019, 09:11:38 PM
Oh wow. I didn't know about the Mooer/EHX thing. I have an EHX pedal and appreciate and respect them as a company and yet I just bought a Mooer Eleclady knowing it was a clone and didn't think twice about it. But then on the other hand have also refused to support Behringer thus far.

It feels complicated and I don't yet have a fully rational, consistent stance on this stuff. I think a lot of it comes down to respect and attitude.
Title: Re: Behringer Prophet 5?
Post by: LoboLives on February 25, 2019, 11:07:22 PM
Oh wow. I didn't know about the Mooer/EHX thing. I have an EHX pedal and appreciate and respect them as a company and yet I just bought a Mooer Eleclady knowing it was a clone and didn't think twice about it. But then on the other hand have also refused to support Behringer thus far.

It feels complicated and I don't yet have a fully rational, consistent stance on this stuff. I think a lot of it comes down to respect and attitude.

The EHX thing is a bit odd seeing as how they themselves make pedals that are essentially clones of Klons, Maestro Fuzzes, etc. What's more odd is the case was actually brought to the attention and settled in a Chinese court.
Title: Re: Behringer Prophet 5?
Post by: blewis on March 03, 2019, 07:22:17 AM
I believe they found _exact_ copies of EHX code in the Moorer pedals. Like literal theft of code.

There isn’t any grey area here guys or moral ambiguity, Moorer even copied the EHX copyright text embedded in their code!

http://metaladdicts.com/site/electro-harmonix-won-copyright-case-against-moorer/
Title: Re: Behringer Prophet 5?
Post by: Kja on June 30, 2019, 05:32:55 AM
I think the problem is more that not then cloning stuff but how they do it, if they just gave a not and a wink to those that came before them and paved the way I think there would not be near as much hate.. they really have not been the most respectful as far as their marketing. That's what seems to really bother some.
Title: Re: Behringer Prophet 5?
Post by: Kja on June 30, 2019, 05:36:56 AM
I hope I don't get sued for saying that... Please don't sure me beringer, I'm just a poor guy and I really don't have anything against you, I'm just saying what it seems like as a impartial bystander.. :-X
Title: Re: Behringer Prophet 5?
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on June 30, 2019, 08:13:42 AM
Please don't sure me, Beringer, I'm just a poor guy and....

AAAAAH-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA.... >:(
Title: Re: Behringer Prophet 5?
Post by: DavidDever on July 19, 2019, 03:53:49 PM
So no... I have no qualms with Behringer in any way... and I may buy their DeepMind someday actually...

I just did!–at $500 USD, there's very little to complain about within reason; the built-in effects are decent and the unit is largely "complete". There are still some niggles as far as the interface is concerned (i.e., deep editing requires some scrolling to select the parameter in question), but the value is good.

And I also bought the Neutron (dual V3340 VCOs); both are inspired-by-but-original designs, so to speak, and fit into the overall scheme reasonably well.

I am waiting to see what Sequential offers up in terms of a deeper analogue design (matrix mod, multiple LFOs, VCOs, etc.) before I pull the trigger on a Prophet 6, though I don't expect Behringer to change my mind in any way, shape or form.

As a postscript, I picked up a new-in-box Prophet-6 earlier this year, and am happy to say that it is everything I expected it to be. It complements the Prophet-12 and Mono Evolver Keyboard quite well.
Title: Re: Behringer Prophet 5?
Post by: proteus-ix on February 23, 2020, 01:35:22 PM
I think, for example, the Prophet 6 is a better synth than the Prophet 5 was --

On paper, yes.  And the P6 is no doubt amazing.  But in terms of sound, with the Pro One being my favorite basic tone of all time, the P5 stands next to it over the P6.

I do think my OB-6 competes with vintage Obies for raw tone however; it's only limited compared to some in terms of modulation/synthesis capabilities.  But it is the absolutely perfect instrument for what it was supposed to be.
Title: Re: Behringer Prophet 5?
Post by: grantluck on July 01, 2020, 01:45:22 AM
Dave's 6 voice version of the pro 3 will smash it out of the park anyway so let them make their Chinese impersonations its like someone covering the Beatles. we know they won't last like the Prophet 5 they just brought to copy.
Title: Re: Behringer Prophet 5?
Post by: S Y Z Y G Y X on July 26, 2020, 03:53:34 PM
I’d just like to chime in here and say the only Behringer I’d like to purchase is the MonoPoly...hell, I’m so far up Sequential’s bumhole they’re the only synthesizers I’ve been buying for the past 2 years.  Bought a Pro 3 in March, adore it...bought a 2nd hand Prophet 12 Keyboard, adore it to death...now I’m deciding between a OB6 or Prophet 6 and believe for my taste I’ll go with the Prophet 6.  Something about DSI/Sequential products interface that I just gel with and invites inspiration unlike any other synths.  The sound, quality and price is just right.  Waiting for the next announcement with zero patience 😬
Title: Re: Behringer Prophet 5?
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on July 26, 2020, 06:09:51 PM
Something about DSI/Sequential products interface that I just gel with and invites inspiration unlike any other synths.  The sound, quality and price is just right.

Yes, I've felt the same way for years.
Title: Re: Behringer Prophet 5?
Post by: LoboLives on July 26, 2020, 06:42:50 PM
I’d just like to chime in here and say the only Behringer I’d like to purchase is the MonoPoly...hell, I’m so far up Sequential’s bumhole they’re the only synthesizers I’ve been buying for the past 2 years.  Bought a Pro 3 in March, adore it...bought a 2nd hand Prophet 12 Keyboard, adore it to death...now I’m deciding between a OB6 or Prophet 6 and believe for my taste I’ll go with the Prophet 6.  Something about DSI/Sequential products interface that I just gel with and invites inspiration unlike any other synths.  The sound, quality and price is just right.  Waiting for the next announcement with zero patience 😬

I feel the same way. To be honest I was thinking about my setup recently and thought that my entire setup could be made up of Sequential’s catalog and literally almost all my synthesis basis would be covered: mono synth (Pro 3), samples (Prophet X), analog VCO (Prophet 6), drum machine (Tempest), all I’m missing is an FM and Wavetable poly.....but perhaps (and hopefully) we will see that next.

Although looking at gear setups from some of my synth heroes which often had multiple brands (Sequential, Moog, Oberhiem, Emu, Roland, Yamaha, Korg etc)  it would feel awkward to have a complete Sequential lineup...but sometimes you just got to go with the best.