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SEQUENTIAL/DSI => Prophet => Prophet 12 => Topic started by: standingwave on February 10, 2019, 02:35:00 AM
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Hello guys and gals,
I'm making some videos to share what I've learned about synthesis on the Prophet 12.
Let me know what you think, if you have questions, or if you have a better way of doing something on my vids.
Cheers!
https://youtu.be/K7hp9Ut9nQs (https://youtu.be/K7hp9Ut9nQs)
https://youtu.be/ejnfBxmyFu8 (https://youtu.be/ejnfBxmyFu8)
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Nice. Thank you.
Since you're so solicitous :) I was thinking of asking you to do something on (tuned) feedback, when another current thread reminded me.
Do you use that?
If so, would be interested in your thoughts.
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Sure thing. I'll explore a feedback based patch on the next episode.
I appreciate the interest!
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Here's an episode using tuned feedback to make a patch.
There are many more subtle ways to use tuned feedback within a sound, or in it's own layer. 5his patch uses it for the main body of the sound in all its glory.
Let me know if you have any ideas that I missed, and what parts of the p12 you want to explore with me next.
I appreciate the interest and look forward to learning more about this synth with you all together.
Cheers.
https://youtu.be/eRjL9tUwfQk (https://youtu.be/eRjL9tUwfQk)
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Here's an episode using tuned feedback to make a patch.
There are many more subtle ways to use tuned feedback within a sound, or in it's own layer. 5his patch uses it for the main body of the sound in all its glory.
Let me know if you have any ideas that I missed, and what parts of the p12 you want to explore with me next.
I appreciate the interest and look forward to learning more about this synth with you all together.
Cheers.
https://youtu.be/eRjL9tUwfQk (https://youtu.be/eRjL9tUwfQk)
Great video! Thanks for sharing!
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I've been enjoying these and subscribed when you posted the first one. Thanks for doing them!
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My first démo of the great P12 I have done 2 years ago ;-) Enjoy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivouH167DI8
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Here's an episode using tuned feedback to make a patch.
Thanks, this is terrific. :)
You have a very inviting style. Keep it up!
(I'll let others make a request.)
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Nice patches and chord progressions. They're worthy of being developed into full compositions.
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My first démo of the great P12 I have done 2 years ago ;-) Enjoy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivouH167DI8
Beautiful sounds Pulso!
I appreciate the interest you all share in this series.
Please let me know if you have any tips or tricks to share.
Cheers.
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Here's an episode using tuned feedback to make a patch.
There are many more subtle ways to use tuned feedback within a sound, or in it's own layer. 5his patch uses it for the main body of the sound in all its glory.
Let me know if you have any ideas that I missed, and what parts of the p12 you want to explore with me next.
I appreciate the interest and look forward to learning more about this synth with you all together.
Cheers.
https://youtu.be/eRjL9tUwfQk (https://youtu.be/eRjL9tUwfQk)
Fantastic video! Would love to see you do an episode about the wavetables in the P12. I don’t think they get enough mention.
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Hey Lobo
Yes! I was thinking about wave tables as well. I've made quite a few sounds with them. Maybe I'll do an evolving wave table arp sound next.
Thanks!
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Hey Lobo
Yes! I was thinking about wave tables as well. I've made quite a few sounds with them. Maybe I'll do an evolving wave table arp sound next.
Thanks!
That sounds great
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Hello,
nice video series! This synth deserve that.
I have some questions:
- Why you do not use the slope on each osc to add randomness instead of randomizing the osc frequency?
- Is there a way to activate velocity on all osc without doing it manually every time for every osc in the matrix?
If i can suggest an improvement for your videos i will suggest to ad a camera on the lcd screen so the viewers can follow what is going on on it. I did a setup to make video with OBS and Soundtower standalone to record the virtual lcd display but lack of time i didnt edit and upload any of the videos....
I watch your video with headphones and sometimes it would be better to add a little reverb to avoid the 0 release at the end of the sound that hurts ears. (just a suggestion).
Greetings and i ll wait for more videos :)
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Hey Mechamilk,
- I do use slop on the oscillators when I'm trying to sound analog. I ALSO use random on note value to add even more controled unpredictability. Different, but equally valuable, ways to use frequency randomization to emulate analog circuits.
-The only "hard wired" destinations for velocity on the synth are on the envelopes. If you want to affect anything other than envelope amount with velocity, you pretty much need to use the mod matrix as far as I can tell.
I appreciate the suggestions! I was thinking about the second camera. I actually set one up on the last video but it crapped out it me before I was done filming; i used a DSLR with limited recording time. I'll try with another camera on the next one.
As far as reverb: I dont want to add anything to the signal chain that will alter how the synth actually sounds. I would consider reverb a sound design element, and adding it would take away from the analysis of the raw sound of the Prophet 12 itself IMO.
I really appreciate your interest and will have another video up soon.
Cheers!
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New episode up! Let me know if I missed something that would help future patches.
Thanks guys!
https://youtu.be/MHolX4zmZUk (https://youtu.be/MHolX4zmZUk)
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New episode up. This one on Electric piano sounds!
https://youtu.be/tbrCjE-uyf4
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New episode up! Let me know if I missed something that would help future patches.
Thanks guys!
https://youtu.be/MHolX4zmZUk (https://youtu.be/MHolX4zmZUk)
Thank you so much! I’ve waited years to see a video like that for the P12. Ironic that it happens when it’s being discontinued. Still...it makes my mouth water with what might be its successor.
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Thanks for saying so Lobo.
I hope that Dave and Co. do follow up with something in the same vein of synthesis architecture. Up until now I feel the P12 is still one of a kind.
The only other all-in-one synthesizer on the mainstream market that gets me excited right now is the Waldorf Quantum. Prophet X does sound fantastic, but from a sound designing perspective doesnt really bring much new to the table. I feel the X is a move towards more following the market as opposed to leading the market as Dave has done in the past.
Obviously just my opinion.
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New episode up!
https://youtu.be/fYu8_WSSdJY (https://youtu.be/fYu8_WSSdJY)
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I admire your spontaneous control, I am much more indecisive and meander towards the end result. Your wavetable vid pretty much summed up my pre FM approach (I come from a DX7 background). I didn't know what 'vector synthesis' was, but using 2 pedals to morph between sounds has pretty much been my early approach - I also use 2 stereo volume pedals to morph between voice A and B. I don't use other gear, just improvise sound textures to match what I play. Your videos inspire me to consider technically what I want to achieve sonically, and to include subtle use of things I normally avoid as too crude. Thanks for the nature and content of these videos.
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I appreciate the kind words Chaparral.
I've read your posts here with great curiosity and admiration in your approach to this instrument.
Take care.
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Thanks for saying so Lobo.
I hope that Dave and Co. do follow up with something in the same vein of synthesis architecture. Up until now I feel the P12 is still one of a kind.
The only other all-in-one synthesizer on the mainstream market that gets me excited right now is the Waldorf Quantum. Prophet X does sound fantastic, but from a sound designing perspective doesnt really bring much new to the table. I feel the X is a move towards more following the market as opposed to leading the market as Dave has done in the past.
Obviously just my opinion.
Felt the same. Started with a Prophet X and sold it after the sample tools were released in a beta state. Bought a Quantum and haven't looked back. It is exactly what I wanted the Prophet X to be and a lot more.
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I'm jealous! I could see a lot of time lost inside of that synthesizer.
I'm tapped out for new synths for a bit unfortunately though. My current studio upgrade money is going towards not-so-sexy patchbay/cabling. Not sexy but very helpful with workflow.
I'll have to quantum-synth vicariously through you.
Cheers!
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I wanted a Quantum, but couldn't justify the price. It sounds gloriously (that is, in a good way) digital to me and I wouldn't have known the filters are analog (from what I've heard online) if I hadn't read the specs. I would have preferred a cheaper version with wavetables only (with FM capabilities), digital filters only, and more voices. I.e., a knobby updated Blofeld.
Instead I just now purchased a P12 to fill that gap in my repertoire. I needed something glassy/metallic that sits well in the mid range without having to spend time messing with EQ. I had a Montage for a little bit which was full and lush, but found myself preferring the rougher or more characterful/thinner sounds of the DX7. Of course the Montage even has internal EQ and whatnot, but it took up too much space in the mix as is and wasn't as three-dimensional as I'd like. The Curtis filter imo does well with mids and rougher/more old school digital tones. I'm going to be depressed due to my severe impatience if Sequential releases a P12 rev 2 soon, which seems awfully likely all considering. Although if it has the SSI2144, it might be lusher & better if it's your only synth, but lack some of the grit I'm looking for...
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I wouldn't worry about DSI completely making the P12 obsolete. They haven't done that, to my knowledge, with any of their other instruments.
If you enjoy the sounds now, you'll enjoy them regardless if they release a similar synth engine. The P12 will go down as a classic and people will seek it out when there are no more left on the shelves, I'm sure of that.
I'm with you on the price of the quantum. Up here in Ontario, after tax it would be over $6500.00 CND to buy. That's a pretty large expense for a starving musician these days.To be honest though, if my wife wasn't looking, I'd probably find a way to justify the expense.
Thank the lord above she's watching me!
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Well the REV2 is def a direct large improvement over the 08, but so far that's been the exception and not the rule. Hopefully it stays that way, though at some point it seems like an inevitable wise business model. Then again the more you make every instrument unique, the more likely people are going to want to own them all.
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Right... I forgot about '08 and rev2.
I think that's the only time though...
If they play with the engine again in the near future, I'd hope they go in totally new directions.
Cheers!
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Just put up a new episode. Playing with some FM in this one.
Let me know if you guys have any tricks or insight into using FM on the P12.
https://youtu.be/ITHyd2_cPZM (https://youtu.be/ITHyd2_cPZM)
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Good job as usual. I hope you will do more video like this, this synth need some justice. Or maybe is a good thing that the P12 is like the talented guy everybody forgot but keep doing his job when all the others are forgotten.
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I plan to keep doing them as long as people are taking something away from them. By doing them, I'm forcing myself to explore areas of the synth I may not be normally inclined to as well. It's nice to still be surprised by it.
I appreciate the support!
Cheers.
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Hey hey,
I just listened to the FM episode. Very good show! I like the confident presentation. Keep them coming, I'm looking forward to a next episode.
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I appreciate the kind words Silvain. You yourself have been a great contributor to the synth community, thanks!
This sunday, I'll be playing with AM sounds a bit.
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AM? Great, looking forward to this. May I put in a plea? Well, I'm doing it anyway: I'd love to hear you explore additive synthesis. I've experimented with it, but am sure that the technique could be further extended. At some point you have to use the fine tune to get proper harmonics, but in hteory the P12 offers 20 pure sine partials with the oscillators as such. Though with some more design, and AM in parciular, I suppose you might get more. Sorry, speculating away...
Looking forward to Sunday. Best wishes
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Absolutely Silvain.
I do have one episode where I create an electric piano sound with additive synthesis.
I will do another episode on additive synthesis but create something more abstract and not tied to real world acoustics.
Thanks for the idea!
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New episode up! As always, I appreciate you guys helping out on ideas for future exploration.
Take care, and happy sound designing!
https://youtu.be/DfZWzz3Y4oQ (https://youtu.be/DfZWzz3Y4oQ)
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I liked the AM episode. That pad was so soft, not my typical approach to AM, I should try a more subtle approach, that's what I have learnt.
Getting on the with backlog, I also very much enjoyed episode 3 (I think: feedback). Again an inspiration to try that beast itself and get into other physical modelling capers. :)
Best wishes and thanks
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I appreciate your feedback Silvain.
Maybe I should attempt some less subtle sounds on future episodes.
I find with the P12, it's very easy to go to extremes and when I build my favorite sounds I'm usually exercising restraint to get there.
I look forward to hearing what patches you come up with in the future as well, so far they're beautiful.
Take care for now!
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New episode up! As always, I appreciate you guys helping out on ideas for future exploration.
Take care, and happy sound designing!
https://youtu.be/DfZWzz3Y4oQ (https://youtu.be/DfZWzz3Y4oQ)
Incredible...it sounds like French horns. I might try this with my PX later on some brass samples. Thanks so much.
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I'd love to hear that!
I haven't had the chance to play with an X much, I can imagine starting with fully developed samples as opposed to oscillators would open a lot of doors.
Cheers.
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As ever I enjoyed your last episode. Personally, I wished you might have detuned them a little more at some point to get the cliche sound, but that's a sound preference rather than a technical dispute. :)
Looking over your list of episodes so far, you appear to have the basese WELL covered. It might be interesting to hear something about all sorts of tricks with modulated delays. There are so many things from chorus, flanger to that kind of shimmer I found the other day, to Nick Batt's favourite of square LFO modulation to FM and maybe a few fun things with crazy feedback. I never managed anything fun with the latter. :)
Best wishes and thanks for your P12 Sundays.
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Awesome inspection for future episodes Silvain! I appreciate the kind words.
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+meant to say inspiration rather than inspections in previous message. Autocorrect :o