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SEQUENTIAL/DSI => Prophet => Prophet Rev2 => Topic started by: Razmo on January 13, 2019, 07:54:48 AM
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It's done! ... almost 7 months of hard work and a lot of insight into sound design later, my first bank has been released for purchase :)
I hope you will enjoy these sounds. There are 128 of them, and I made them primarily for my own needs, but I'm certain that some of the sounds will be of use to others. The sounds are mainly targeted toward Ambient and Fantasy music, but other experimental types of electronic music might also be likely candidates for these sounds. So don't come afterwards and ask where all the typical "four on the floor" type sounds are, because they are not! ;)
The sounds have been properly categorized, and all program names have a three character prefix, that designate the category they belong to. They are all sorted alphabetically, both in category and names, all for ease of use.
There will be an installation READ_ME.txt file that comes with the bank that tells you about the bank in more detail. Also, there will be provided 8 files in total, each one writing the sounds to a different bank (including all four factory banks, if one should want those erased). The READ_ME.txt file also include a full list of all the programs, and an explanation of all the sound categories.
An audio demo is planned for later, with a video to go along with it (YouTube), but if you are not familiar with how the programs sound, then look take a look in my other thread "The REV2 is a deep and capable synth".. .there are loads of demos in that thread that you can listen to, until my video demo is up.
After checking out PayPal for fees and stuff, the final price for the bank will be 40 US dollar, or 35 EURO... I can only accept payment via PayPal, but I believe that should not be a problem :)
If you are interested in buying the soundbank, just write me a Private Message her eon the forum, giving me your email address, and I will request a payment to you... and when the payment has been received, I'll send the bank to you via the same email address. That is as easy as it gets :)
Please!, when you pay for the sound bank, could you please write the email address you want the bank sent to, in the comment field when you pay? This makes it a lot easier for me to keep track of what email I should send the soundbank file to :)
If you have any questions regarding the bank, just write them here in this thread and I'll see what I can do.
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Here is a 1:28 hour long demo of all the sounds... it's 100% REV2, no external processing:
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/Realms_of_Fantasy_Demo.mp3
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That's about it... now it's time to start looking deeply into the Tempest :)
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Here is a full listing of the programs:
AMB:Atlantis Rising
AMB:Avian Forest
AMB:Dreamscape
AMB:Dweomer
AMB:Elusive Spirit
AMB:Euphorian
AMB:Faery Nights
AMB:Fairydragon
AMB:Flutterflies
AMB:Frozen Time
AMB:Glass Golem
AMB:Hazy Snake
AMB:Little Mermaid
AMB:Planet Orbit
AMB:Starchild
AMB:Warbler
ARP:Microbes
ARP:Trancendent
BAS:Deep Guts
BAS:Fat Demon
BAS:Funky Ghoul
BAS:Mad Modron
BAS:Rage Robotics
BAS:Tridrone
BAS:WarKraft
BAS:Wet Hag
BOW:Fiddle Fiend
BOW:String of Yan
BOW:String of Yin
BRS:Brass Dragon
BRS:Hail the King!
BRS:Soft Fanfare
BRS:Velvet Brass
CHR:Chime Box
CHR:Cluster Bells
CHR:Echochromatic
CHR:Glockenspieler
CHR:Ice Faerie
CHR:Kara Tur
CHR:Mystery Bells
CHR:Ra's Musicbox
CHR:Rusty Bells
CHR:Shrine of Xoa
CHR:Spirit Bells
DRO:Enchanted
DRO:Nautilus
DRO:Stasis
DRO:Swirling Mists
DRO:Syntax Error
DRO:The Abyss
KBD:Ambient Piano
KBD:Balroque
KBD:Frankenwire
KBD:Harpsigoth
KBD:Hobbit Piano
KBD:Mechanus Toy
KBD:Prophet Piano
ORG:Ghost Pipes
ORG:Marionette
ORG:Pumpkin Fields
PAD:Calm Waters
PAD:Cave Whistler
PAD:Devil's Triangle
PAD:Divinity
PAD:Ether Organ
PAD:Heavens Gate
PAD:Hollow Earth
PAD:Melancholia
PAD:Waiting for JM
PLK:Ambistring
PLK:Echo Harp
PLK:Echopluck
PLK:Echo String
PLK:Golden Dragon
PLK:Horizon String
PLK:Ice Harp
PLK:Needle Pluck
PLK:Oriental Twang
PRC:Shadow Gong
PRC:Temple Bells
PRC:Thunder Drum
SEQ:Electron Run
SEQ:Elf on the Run
SEQ:Pulsing Quasar
SEQ:Steampunk
SFX:Alien Cicadas
SFX:Bloodsuckers
SFX:Critters
SFX:Crystal Chimes
SFX:Dark Slasher
SFX:Dead Monkeys
SFX:Desert Storm
SFX:Elven Belltree
SFX:Faery Dust
SFX:Fire Turbine
SFX:Ice Shards
SFX:Incendiary
SFX:Pyrotechnics
SFX:Sea Ghost
SFX:Sunstorm
SFX:Twinkle Frogs
SFX:Wet Caves
SFX:Witch's Stew
STR:Ancients
STR:Dark Lord
STR:Grime Stringer
STR:Judgement Day
STR:King's Return
STR:Prophet 310U
STR:Revelations
SYN:Dr.Theremind
SYN:Heavenly Pulse
SYN:Lonely Triangle
SYN:Rusty Droid
VOC:Celestial Choir
VOC:Darkest Hour
VOC:Dark Omen
VOC:Deva Sisters
VOC:Infernal Choir
VOC:Mithril Voices
VOC:Seering Lights
VOC:Seven Heavens
VOC:The Bewailed
VOC:The Prophet
WND:Cave Winds 1
WND:Cave Winds 2
WND:Cave Winds 3
WND:Cyber Chiff
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Order placed!
This is the first time I have purchased a soundbank. I have installed a few freebies over the years including some good ones released by manufacturers. But I was never inspired to purchase one as I prefer to just create my own patches.
I have been following this thread for months and have really enjoyed watching the process of the patch creation.
Invoice requested! I look forward to playing these creations on my own Rev2!
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Please remember, that the Foot Pedal is heavily used for modulation in practically ALL my programs. This is important to notice because that is when the programs really come to life... so if you do not have a Foot Pedal, I strongly advice you to get one if you purchase this bank, or have some other means to send Foot Pedal CCs to your REV2 via an external controller or DAW (It's CC#04).
The reason I use it so much is that many of the programs are meant to be played with two hands... so it's hard to reach for the Mod Wheel for modulation... using a Foot Pedal instead gives you total freedom to play and modulate at the same time.
Mod Wheel and Foot Pedal is used on almost every program... sometimes Mod Wheel and Foot Pedal modulate the same thing, in other situations they modulate two different things... just experiment away... AfterTouch if used, is ONLY introducing vibrato... I do not like After Touch that much, and usually only for vibrato which can be effective on some sounds.
Also note: if a program do not seem to make a sound (especially in the SFX category), it's because you need to move either Foot Pedal or Mod Wheel for the sound to set in... this was done to allow you to do live fade ins and outs of these SFX sounds, and also because these sounds gradually increase the VCA mod destination parameter... if not done that way, those sounds would simply drone endlessly.
ALso remember; these programs use the FX HEAVILY!!! ... I took use of all the juice of the REV2 to create these to sound as ambient and stereo as possible right out of the box... I actually finetuned every program on headphones to make sure the stereo perspective was satisfactory... and i can easily say, that if you do ambient music, you should be able to use the sounds together right out of the box without much need for external FX... still, you can benefit from using a really high quality reverb on some presets. But I created all programs initially without FX... to sound as good as possible without FX... so if you prefer other FX, you can easily just switch them off on your REV2... either by disabling the FX ON/OFF of course, or also by switching off Layer B completely... Layer B is almost always used as an "add on" for some special FX.
Also don't forget to tweak the knobs... you can make great changes to a sound by fiddling with the envelope times or the cutoff/resonance.
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An a small errata for the program listing in the READ_ME file of my bank:
The program listing was an older one... it does not fit anymore (that's what happens when you hurry too much) ... the one supplied in this thread is the correct listing of the programs.
EDIT: I changed the file to fit the right program list... so this post is only relevant for the first two purchasers who accidentally got the wrong program listing.
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IMPORTANT!
Please!, when you pay for the sound bank, could you please write the email address you want the bank sent to, in the comment field when you pay? This makes it a lot easier for me to keep track of what email I should send the soundbank file to :)
For some reason I'm unable to edit my initial post in this thread, so if an admin reads this and can do something about it, so I can add this to the top, I'd be really happy.
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For anyone who do not want to sift thru my entire other thread to find the demos, I have provided a link list for easy listening :) Just remember that the final bank has undergone lots of tweaking of the sounds in these links... some is not there, other have gone and on some links there are a bit of external reverb added. this list is just for easy reference until I've crated a final full length YouTube demo video.
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/HarpOfTime.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/Harps.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/TwoNewSounds.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/RitualEnsemble.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/HellsBells.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/GlassGolem.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/DarkPlace.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/EnchantedGlass
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/KingsFart.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com//DevaSisters.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/ThereminTardis.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/Microbes.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/HighMountain.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/GOHIF.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com//RustyTheDroid.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/SyntaxError.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/PluckedStrings.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/SoftBrass.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/Starchild.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/WarbleMadness.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/DeadSpace.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/Cauldron.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/Thunderclap.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/LittleMermaid.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/Prophet310U.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/AtlantisRising.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/MetalBell.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/GoldenDragon.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/IceHarp.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/DeathOfASun.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/FrozenTime.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/BankDemo.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/PlanetRings.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/SilverDragon.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/VariousStringed.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/HobbitPiano.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/VariousSounds.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/Divinity.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/PikaCritters.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/PumpkinFields.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/WaitingForMe.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/BaadSound.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/Ambiano.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/EvilSlurpers.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/SFX.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/TanariTimbale.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/Glockenspieler.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/Strings.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/Melancholia.mp3
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Congratulations on your release! I know a lot of hard work went into it, and there are many great sounds you've made. It should make many ambient Rev2 owners very happy!
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Congratulations on the birth, Razmo!
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Thank you for the kind words everyone :)
I found the cover picture a bit "cheesy", so I changed it a bit... just for the sake of it... :)
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Worth every penny.
I've just finished checking all the sounds and it's really good.
Nice work Razmo.
Right now, I'm exhausted and I will plunge deeper into the depth of your presets tomorrow night.
Cheers.
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Really nice job Razmo! Fantastic sounds, great use of motion. DSI should hire you to do a bunch of presets for them.
I know Elektron resells sound packs for their instruments, you might consider giving their Digitone or A4 a shot too.
Still personally on the fence as to whether or not this genre of sound will suit what I want to do, so I'll hold off for a bit on purchasing this, but I wanted to thank you for pushing the boundaries of what the Rev2 can do and simultaneously creating a set of presets that suit an oft-forgotten style of synth usage these days. Futuristic yet retrospective at the same time, there's a real orchestral quality to your sounds. I'm glad you actually play them in the demos too, not just hold some notes down. Gives a real sense of what they're for and how you envisioned utilizing them.
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Really nice job Razmo! Fantastic sounds, great use of motion. DSI should hire you to do a bunch of presets for them.
I know Elektron resells sound packs for their instruments, you might consider giving their Digitone or A4 a shot too.
Still personally on the fence as to whether or not this genre of sound will suit what I want to do, so I'll hold off for a bit on purchasing this, but I wanted to thank you for pushing the boundaries of what the Rev2 can do and simultaneously creating a set of presets that suit an oft-forgotten style of synth usage these days. Futuristic yet retrospective at the same time, there's a real orchestral quality to your sounds. I'm glad you actually play them in the demos too, not just hold some notes down. Gives a real sense of what they're for and how you envisioned utilizing them.
Thanks for the compliments :) really appreciated... well... DSI may just give me a PM, I'd be ready for that of course ;D ... but the sounds was made in a labor of love... because I could not find many such sounds out there, either free or commercial... I also love pushing my synths to the limit... but also I learned a lot over those 7 months... this was also why i needed to touch up the sounds in the end because the first ones i made, carried a mark of me not being as good at it as I were when I reached the end of the 7 months...
As to other synths... my next project is actually the TEMPEST, but I have other synths in my mind for the future, some of which will most likely be; PEAK, DeepMind12, Prophet 12, Prophet X, Quantum... even MOOG ONE if I ever get the cash to pay for one :D ... I enjoy analog/hybrid synths the most, and those with deep engines to play with as you can see from the list... but who knows... others may come in as well :)
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NOTICE!!!
Anyone, who are experiencing that my programs have layer B on, but the sound from it does not play, PLEASE write about it in this thread! ... one user reported this, and what he experience is what others are experiencing in another thread I've read... it might be that it's because you are changing presets via MIDI Program Change commands... try to change programs on the REV2 itself without using MIDI (no MIDI echo from your DAW etc.)
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VERY IMPORTANT NOTE!
It has come to my attention, that when my bank is loaded into the REV2, for some reason all programs with layer B on, has no sound coming from layer B at all.
I tried to reload the bank into my REV2, and now i hear that this is certainly the case. All programs except for the very first "Atlantis Rising" that also use layer B, has no sound coming from layer B.
I still have the whole bank in my REV2 as well, where it sound absolutely correct, so there is a bug present on REV2, where loading of a bank via SysEx into it's memory, make strange things with sounds using Layer B.
I think I have narrowed the bug down now, and I asume it's a problem with the sound versioning of the SysEx files, a process that goes on in the background and that the user normaly do not see happening.
Currently the sound version is at version 3... but there are other versions, and if you splice layers on the REV2 from different programs, you will get programs that has layers that was made on different sound versions... i think that this is where the REV2 has a serious bug.
Please! .. .anyone who bought my bank, could you please try to see if the programs with layer B on, actually has a sound coming from layer B? ... this is HUGELY IMPORTANT because otherwise you're not hearing my programs like they should at all! ... a lot of the icing on top comes from the use of layer B.
And don't worry... it's not the bank file that is corrupt, it's the versioning code in the REV2 that has a serious reading bug or the like... and if it shows anyway that your bank is faulty, then I still have the original sound here working fine, and we will figure out a way for you to get a working one... unfortunately it's just not possible until Sequential has fixed this bug because the bug is in the code... not the SysEx file.
Oh boy... if you have heard all those sounds without layer B when active, then you have missed about 50% of the experience! :-\
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I can say, that I just made a thorough analysis of my "Realms of Fantasy" banks that i sent to all you that bought it... there is nothing wrong with the 8 files... I tested them all by loading them with my editor, and checking the programs that use layer B... everything works fine from these banks when my editor is browsing the programs and sending them directly to the edit buffer of REV2 one at a time.
Something happens when they are sent BACK to the REV2 and stored in a memory location. If this is the case with all banks I do not know... it may be that bank 1 would work, but other banks might get scrambled on their way into the REV2.... this could be why I have only had ONE report from a buyer with this... he loaded the bank into User bank 4, and when i do the same, the B layers are scrambled completely.
I'll do some more testing, but you can remain certain, that the bank files i sent you are OK! ... I loaded precisely the bank file for User Bank 4 into my editor and browsed and checked the presets... everything is fine when I do that (sending the sounds to the edit buffer directly, not a memory location)... but if I dump that same bank file directly to User Bank 4, then all B layers are scrambled.
So the bug is in the SysEx dump INTO the REV2, or when the REV2 reads from it's memory program slots into the edit buffer... I'm about to test which is the case now.
So there is no need for me to send you any new bank files... you will simply have to wait until Sequential have fied this bug to get the B layers working... there is nothing I can do about this currently...
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UPDATE:
To anyone who may have experienced that any program in my bank does not give any sound from layer B on programs that has it active: Please send the bank to your REV2 again, using MIDI OX (just the standard installation) ... go into "Actions/Send/SysEx File" and send the bank file from there.
The reason some may experience that layer B is not working is because the software you used to send the bank to your REV2 is sending all the single program SysEx messages in the bank file in one big burst without any delay in between... the REV2 cannot follow up and clogs, resulting in layer B data being scrambled... the built in delay between sends in MIDI OX will make certain that the REV2 has enough time to receive a message, process it and save it to internal flash, before the next message comes in. This is especially important if you use USB to do this as this is REALLY fast!
I'm not fully certain if I should consider this a bug in the REV2, but it certainly has caught some users offguard believing that there IS a bug with Layer B because of this... I have contact about this with support, so I'll just have to wait and see what their response is.
In all cases; your bank files I sent you are fine... just send them slow ;)
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The READ_ME.txt file in my soundbank has now been updated to include how to use MIDI OX to send the file to the REV2. Anyone buying from now on will get that update... anyone who already purchased and want the revised archive file can just PM me, and I'll send it to you :)
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Well I have to give a big shout out for this preset bank. Really fantastic job on this Razmo!
Extremely deep complex moving sounds. And organised into different categories to boot.
Worth every penny.
Thanks for sharing your work with us.
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Maybe the use of the 5 pins DIN over USB would garantee you have the right speed in all cases?
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Maybe the use of the 5 pins DIN over USB would garantee you have the right speed in all cases?
Nope not at all... even that in some cases need a delay... it depend on the speed of the receiving device and what it needs to do... in cases like the REV2 that needs to receive one program at a time, process it and then wait for it to be stored into flash memory, you would need a certain amount of delay before you send the next program...
In the REV2's case, I measured that delay to be 32ms... I measured this by looking at a MIDI monitor that show timestamps on incomming SysEx messages... that way i could see exactly how big the delay time was between programs send by the REV2 (via global mode)... that delay has to be correct, otherwise you'd have a problem when you connect two REV2's together via MIDI DIN and send the bank from one to the other.
this delay works with my editor... no problems moving programs about between all banks and memory locations... even whole banks copied from one to the other.
Another thing is that with windows MIDI drivers (which is used by the USB connection! Sequential do not provide custom MIDI drivers for their synths!), you have faulty drivers... any MIDI message more than 1024 bytes in length will give errors according to the bug reports I've read... USB MIDI on Windows have had this problem for ages now, and MS do not fix it for some obscure reason.... so any device that use the class compliant drivers of Windows are subject to this... with normal MIDI messages only being a few bytes in length at a time, it's no problem... but if you send a SysEx dump greater than 1024 bytes, you could be in for trouble.... this is the case with REV2's USB MIDI connection.
So the most safe solution is to connect it with a MIDI DIN interface, and that be an interface that has working custom drivers so it does not use the Windows drivers.... for SysEx dumps at least... that include OS updates via MIDI.
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Is the issue on sending or receiving? I would think the second. There is a buffer to receive data and somehow swallow it in the system if the data is received quicker than the device capability to handle it chances are we will face major issues. The midi DIN is operating at 31250 bauds and with 10 bits protocol we can transfer 3125 bytes/s hence it takes a bit less than 328ms to transfer 1kB. Compared to the 32ms you mentioned this is ample time for the system to swallow the data.
With USB I don’t know how midi is emulated but for sure the information goes light speed compared to the vintage midi protocol.
Note that I don’t have a particular knowledge on this topic, just sharing thoughts. Sequential is not very keen on sharing information.
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Is the issue on sending or receiving? I would think the second. There is a buffer to receive data and somehow swallow it in the system if the data is received quicker than the device capability to handle it chances are we will face major issues. The midi DIN is operating at 31250 bauds and with 10 bits protocol we can transfer 3125 bytes/s hence it takes a bit less than 328ms to transfer 1kB. Compared to the 32ms you mentioned this is ample time for the system to swallow the data.
With USB I don’t know how midi is emulated but for sure the information goes light speed compared to the vintage midi protocol.
Note that I don’t have a particular knowledge on this topic, just sharing thoughts. Sequential is not very keen on sharing information.
Depends on how it receive the data... If it need to receive it all first before being able to process and store it, you would still need the delay... The data is packed for example
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An additional note to my soundbank:
I initially thought that a document describing the modulation controls would be appropriate, but after giving it a more clear thought, it really serves no purpose because the controls like Foot Pedal and Mod Wheel are used in so many varied ways in the same program, and in many cases for more than just one parameter... It is really hard to describe what each do, and what they modulate in a program... and also in stacked programs, they may modulate one thing on one layer, and another in the other layer.
The best way to find out is simply by experimenting with the controllers, and listen to what they do... there are some common guidelines though that I will explain in detail here:
Pitch Wheel:
On almost all programs, pitch wheel will control pitch, and nothing else... there are a few programs that use it to pan the sound left and right instead, but they are very few.
Aftertouch:
In ALL cases where aftertouch is allocated to anything, it's vibrato. I find no other real use for aftertouch, and that is why.
Velocity:
May be used in many different ways, too many to explain separately. adjusting volume, filter EG amounts, envelope attack rates etc... you can hear clearly what velocity does to a sound simply by playing.
Mod Wheel:
Many varied uses, but in most cases this control is used for static changes to a sound... you set it once, and leave it at that... This is because realtime modulation is left for the Foot Pedal as Mod Wheel requires a free hand which is not convenient while playing with both hands.
Foot Pedal:
Probably the most important control of them all. It allow you to change a sound while you play with both hands at the same time for a lot more expressive possibilities. It will control just about everything imaginable... try it out to find out. Getting a Foot Pedal is heavily recommended for use with this soundbank... you can though, use an external controller knob/slider or a DAW automation to do the same thing... all they have to do is send CC#04 (foot pedal) to the REV2 (and make sure your foot pedal is also set up for CC#04 in the global menu).
That is about it... there is a few things worth noticing about some of the programs though:
A few programs will have the Foot Pedal assigned to VCA Level... this will increase the volume on ALL voices at the same time, resulting in a 16 voice drone... thus the 8/16 last notes you have played will start sounding all together at once... this means that these programs can be made to sound radically different, depending on what you played BEFORE you increase the VCA with the Foot Pedal... two programs that uses this to a great effect is "Desert Storm" and "Wet Caves".
With Wet Caves, try to hold a few high keys down... they will sound... try pressing more high keys until you have run thru at least 16 keypresses, and then move the Foot Pedal up... the water sound will now sound high pitched with clear droplets... now with the Foot Pedal still pressed, press some keys in the lower range, and notice how those get mixed in... this way you can design your own density of the water dripping... the same is tru for the program "Desert Storm"... press 16 times on keys in the upper range, and you get i typical wind howl... add a few lower to get some deep whistling tones in... again you can tailor your own special wind sound this way. "Desert Storm" is also completely silent, until you move the Foot Pedal... Wet Caves let's you play the water sound by pressing the keys as well.
A few other presets also raise the VCA amount via Foot Pedal... this is to give you the option to start a drone with the sound whenever you want... "Dreamscape" is such a program.
Other than this, there is not much more to it... just remember that the Foot Pedal is what makes the sounds come alive... make them evolve as you play along on the keys... this is critical to getting the same moving textures as are in all of my previous demos of the sounds.
On some presets, the Mod Wheel is not allocated to anything... feel free to add something yourself if you like. It may seem odd that i did not program anything there, but there are several reasons for that... the most common is that I found no parameter to modulate with it that gave me anything useable, or in other cases it is because there simply are not modulation slots enough left to do it... also on some programs, Mod Wheel and Foot Pedal does the exact same thing... one thing to notice about that though is, that this lets you increase the modulation by using both controls, which in some cases can lead to insane sounding modulation... but that is how the Mod Matrix works if two controllers are routed to the same... they are simply added up.
If you have any special questions about the modulation controllers, just write them in this thread :)
Hope this info clears some things up.
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OK I've waited in anticipation for this but no link to the product? I've done all the searches I'm all timed out.
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OK I've waited in anticipation for this but no link to the product? I've done all the searches I'm all timed out.
In the first post in this topic:
If you are interested in buying the soundbank, just write me a Private Message her eon the forum, giving me your email address, and I will request a payment to you... and when the payment has been received, I'll send the bank to you via the same email address. That is as easy as it gets :)
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OK I've waited in anticipation for this but no link to the product? I've done all the searches I'm all timed out.
It works like in the first post of this thread :) ... i have not set up a homepage for this yet as i decided to release the bank first so people did not have to wait any longer (it's been 7 months after all)... Just write me a Private Message with your email, and I'll send you a request via PayPal :)
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Ok thanks Razmo
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@Razmo(taz)... Do you have any sound clips of the bank online somewhere. I've heard bits and pieces (which were all really good, by the way) over the last few months, but do you have a run through of all the sounds online somewhere (YouTube, SoundCloud, etc...)? Would love to hear them.
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@Razmo(taz)... Do you have any sound clips of the bank online somewhere. I've heard bits and pieces (which were all really good, by the way) over the last few months, but do you have a run through of all the sounds online somewhere (YouTube, SoundCloud, etc...)? Would love to hear them.
No, only the ones I linked to earlier in this thread which are those from my rant thread being posted over the last 7 months... I have what you seek in the pipeline though, as I want a YouTube video up soon for this purpose... I'll link to it in this thread as soon as it has been created :)
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Thanks!
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Greetings all,
I just wanted to congratulate Razmo on this sound bank - I finally had enough time to go through the patches and I found them inspiring, giving me all sorts of ideas and possible directions!
Razmo, thank you and I look forward to your future efforts!
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As promised some time ago, I have now created a full 1:28 hour long demo of the whole bank of 128 sounds... it can be heard here:
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/Realms_of_Fantasy_Demo.mp3
I know that an hour and a half is a long time, but it's simply impossible to get all sounds in, at less time, so relax, sit down, shut off the lights, lit a candle and listen it thru :)
This also means that all the small demo's from the list earlier has been deleted now... many of those were with external reverb on, and many of the sounds changed before the release... the demo above is 100% what you get in this sound bank... it's 100% REV2 playing, I have not used ANY kind of effects on this demo, and the only processing done after recording was a full normalizing of the .wav file... even the volume differences between the instruments are as in the demo.
So... what you hear is an example of the more exotic sounds you can make with a Prophet REV2 stand alone... out of the box! ... I can say that I'm pretty happy about this bank I've done... i know I can do even better, but that will be later because right now me and REV2 do not want to rub backs for a while ;) ... soon the fruits of this hard work will enter my studio; a Novation PEAK which will get my focus for the next bank of sounds, while TEMPEST is looking envious at me from the side ??? ...
I've also finished my homepage for future use when selling my sound banks, and you can check it out here:
https://razmo666.wixsite.com/website
I am still going to upload the demo to my homepage, so right now the demo-player on the site does not play the demo... just an old riff i did years ago ...
If a moderator reads this, I'd be happy if he/she could insert the following text into the end of this threads first post:
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Here is a 1:28 hour long demo of all the sounds... it's 100% REV2, no external processing:
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/Realms_of_Fantasy.mp3"
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thank you :)
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Fantastic work !
I've sent you a PM.
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Fantastic work !
I've sent you a PM.
Thank you for the compliment :) means a lot!
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I can tell that I've begun working on the next REV2 bank... I also have the PEAK to take care of so my time will be split between the two, but I enjoy going back and forth between the two once in a while, so I cannot say when it will be ready yet... I'll get a Prophet 12 as well next month, so I will probably also have a look at that one as well :)
The next bank will be done a bit differently than the first one, and will focus mainly on drones with a much deeper and more "evil and dark" aspect (for those who bought my soundbank, think in the style of the patch named "Nautilus") ... I've got some really good ideas for how to pull these off, and thus this will be my focus for the next bank. The bank will be named "Dronescapes" and I'll make a separate thread in here for demos and tips and tricks on how they were made... just as last time :) ... this also means that where the last bank was a "jack of all trades" in the ambient and fantasy department, the next one will be much more specialized... this is because I need such sounds myself, and realized I needed many more drones and deep ambient sounds, and also ones that are not as animated as the previous ones I did.
Another thing is, that I'll be creating the sounds initially WITHOUT any FX at all... this is done so that the raw sound will be as good as possible... then FX will be "sprinkled" on top for that extra boost... this is because many might want to use an external reverb or delay for the spatial effects... REV2's reverb is not the best, and to me it's more important to use the FX for modulation as a first priority... then reverb and delays can be added externally if wanted (everyone have external FX anyway, everyone uses them, so why not...)
I'll also try to keep the polyphony as high as at all possible... this means all programs will be made for a single-layer initially... if layer B is needed I'll use it, otherwise not... these types of sounds benefit from huge release tails so polyphony is crucial.
Just a small update, so that you know what I'm up to :)
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Another thing is, that I'll be creating the sounds initially WITHOUT any FX at all... this is done so that the raw sound will be as good as possible... then FX will be "sprinkled" on top for that extra boost... this is because many might want to use an external reverb or delay for the spatial effects... REV2's reverb is not the best, and to me it's more important to use the FX for modulation as a first priority... then reverb and delays can be added externally if wanted (everyone have external FX anyway, everyone uses them, so why not...)
I'll also try to keep the polyphony as high as at all possible... this means all programs will be made for a single-layer initially... if layer B is needed I'll use it, otherwise not... these types of sounds benefit from huge release tails so polyphony is crucial.
Just a small update, so that you know what I'm up to :)
A very sound approach, imo! Thanks for the heads-up! While I like your first bank, and all patches are interesting and well crafted, I personally prefer the drones and soundscapes specifically. So a bank more oriented towards this area sounds very good to me! :)
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A little update:
I've been "standing still" regarding the next soundbank for the REV2 (Dronescapes) because I swapped my REV2 keyboard for a Roland - V-Synth GT which I really wanted in my studio... this V-Synth GT has now replaced the REV2 as my main master controller.
I've been saving up for a module version of the REV2 which should arrive on monday, and when it does, I'll start working on the REV2 again.
I have decided though, to delay the "Dronescapes" bank a bit, simply because I find that my realeased bank "Realms of Fantasy" has some sounds in it that should not be there, and do not fit the type of bank that it was supposed to be. This is mainly basses, a few synth sounds and sequenced sounds too.
Therefore, I'll be removing these sounds from the bank, and they will be replaced with new ones that fit the style better... the old bank will though still be in the bank archive file... I'll just up the version number to 1.1.
Also, I'll be running all the presets thru and make some changes to the way the sounds are modulated, mostly because I want to remove the use of the foot pedal... not all have a foot pedal to use, and I intend to use only the most standard controllers like Pitchbend, Modwheel and Aftertouch.
I have no planned time for this version 1.1 to be available, but I'll write in this thread when it's ready.
The bank will be free for anyone who have already bought the bank... more info on this when the time comes.
I want this bank to be perfect... this is why I'm doing this.
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Looking forward to that update. The ambient patches are the ones I like the best from the lot.
And good call on making the patches dry, will save a lot of time.
Thanks for your work.
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Looking forward to that update. The ambient patches are the ones I like the best from the lot.
And good call on making the patches dry, will save a lot of time.
Thanks for your work.
Thank you :)
In general, leaving out the FX is a bit hard, since they are quite a bit a part of the sound in itself when it comes to this bank. When I talked about creating the best I can without FX, I was referring to my next bank "Dronescapes"... I'll just be creating the presets dry first... but FX will be added after that if needed, simply because some users may want to use the sounds "as is" ... but in general it's quite easy to rid yourself of the FX in my "Realms of Fantasy"... simply turn off the FX on any layer in use... that's it... many of my presets use layer B as an FX layer... that is the only way I can create a fake modulated reverb that sound better than the stock REV2 reverb.
Besides... in my own case, I actually do not turn the FX off... I just run the sounds thru an external reverb more... that works pretty well too, making the reverb even thicker because they are run in series.
Also, I've got the feeling that many like the Ambient sounds best, so I'll make sure to create a few more of those to replace some of the sounds I want to take out of the bank... Ambient sounds was the primary goal for this bank to begin with, I just tried to create other sounds as well that would fit a Fantasy setting, thus all the bowed, struck and plucked sounds too :) ... I always wanted this bank to be a "mixed bag of Ambient Fantasy candy" so to speak.
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And please! ... if any of you who bought the bank has any kind of constructive critique, feel free to write it in here! ... I want to hear this, so I can think about if there is something I may do better next time :)
Personally, I want to change how the controllers are used, and that's because I've experienced, that some controllers (like my newly aquired V-Synth GT) has a spring-loaded Modwheel... many of the presets I did was with the Mod Wheel meant as a constant value... a set and forget control... but with a spring-loaded modwheel, this completely destroys the intention.
Thus I'm going to see pitchwheel, modwheel, velocity and aftertouch as performance controls instead... the foot pedal will still be used since most controller keyboards has a jack for this, but that's as far as I will go... this means that some presets will have the assignments changed a bit.
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As I've started making the rev1.1 of the bank, I can tell a little about what I'll do to the sounds in the bank:
1. I'll eliminate all usage of Aftertouch. The reason is, that I really do not find Aftertouch all that important. In most cases, and on many controller keyboards, Aftertouch requires considerable force to initiate, making it very stressing for the fingers, and at the same time, the physical sensitivity control of aftertouch is not really good in my opinion... I've only found it suitable for one thing ever, and that's vibrato... but with the considerable amount of stress you have to put on your fingers, it's not really worth it... another reason is that I now have the module version of REV2, and even though my V-Synth GT sports an Aftertouch sensitive keybed, not everyone may have a controller keybed with aftertouch if they use the REV2 module. I want as many users to be able to use my sounds as intended.
2. I'll eliminate the usage of the Foot Pedal... as above, not everyone have a Foot Pedal, and that's the sole reason for removing this control. The Foot Pedal was good for changing the sound live while playing with both hands, but if you want to use both hands, and still control the modulation with your foot, there are options out there to let you route a Foot Pedal to the Mod Wheel to achieve the same functionality... for most presets though, what was modulated by the Foot Pedal will in bank 1.1 be controlled either by the Mod Wheel, or Velocity... I found that making velocity control the same actually gave many sounds a much more complex modulated sound, and that is because Velocity is per voice, where the Foot Pedal is always a global control modulation.
3. I'll take out some of the presets, and create some new ones. This is some of the "SYN:" presets, some of the "SEQ:" presets (no one want to use predefined sequences anyway) will be changed into playable instruments instead. A few of the Bell sounds may get a heavy makeover since some of them utilize the FX engine which makes them sound strange when played polyphonically. They will probably be made monophonic instead to overcome this. And lastly, I'll thin out in some of the VOC presets, as too many are very close to each other in sound.
4. Many sounds did not have velocity sensitivity, so I will introduce this on those sounds that do not have this. It allows for more expressive playing...
In fact, one of the things that got less attention when I released the bank is exactly how the physical controls work, so this is probably the main goal for version 1.1
That's about it... I'll write in this thread when the revised bank is finished.
Some of you may wonder why I am simply not creating the same modulation as the ModWheel on both Foot Pedal and Aftertouch... that would also be a good thing to do, if it was not for two things: 1. The modulations would add up, meaning that if you moved both ModWHeel, Aftertouch and FootPedal, you'd end up with tripple the amount of modulation as intended... and 2. There simply are not enough modulation slots for this on many of the presets, as it would require a lot of extra modulation slots to be available for this, and having this on some presets, and not others defy my autistic symmetry feelings ;D
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Some of you may wonder why I am simply not creating the same modulation as the ModWheel on both Foot Pedal and Aftertouch... that would also be a good thing to do, if it was not for two things: 1. The modulations would add up, meaning that if you moved both ModWHeel, Aftertouch and FootPedal, you'd end up with tripple the amount of modulation as intended... and 2. There simply are not enough modulation slots for this on many of the presets, as it would require a lot of extra modulation slots to be available for this, and having this on some presets, and not others defy my autistic symmetry feelings ;D
Wouldn't it be good, if Modwheel amount was a mod destination? I guess one could achieve that with some dirty midi hacks... but with a destination for that it would work out of the box.
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Some of you may wonder why I am simply not creating the same modulation as the ModWheel on both Foot Pedal and Aftertouch... that would also be a good thing to do, if it was not for two things: 1. The modulations would add up, meaning that if you moved both ModWHeel, Aftertouch and FootPedal, you'd end up with tripple the amount of modulation as intended... and 2. There simply are not enough modulation slots for this on many of the presets, as it would require a lot of extra modulation slots to be available for this, and having this on some presets, and not others defy my autistic symmetry feelings ;D
Wouldn't it be good, if Modwheel amount was a mod destination? I guess one could achieve that with some dirty midi hacks... but with a destination for that it would work out of the box.
I'm not sure if that would do the trick... but some simple additions to the Global menu, where you could decide where to route the physical controllers would be nice... this way you could say that the Foot Pedal input should be seen as another physical controller, say; the ModWheel... then both ModWheel and FootPedal would go to the same mod matrix source... an additional parameter to decide if the physical control should either ADD the value to the mod matrix source, or use an ABSOLUTE method (latest moved control decides the value)... but I doubt this will be implemented... nothing seems to get feature updates in here anymore, only the last synth released seems to get a feature update here and there...
To be honest... if anyone would rather want to move the control to something else, then I may create different banks tailored each to a certain controller... so that one bank has it on ModWheel, another on FootPedal etc... then the user could decide for themselves which they prefer... but it's actually pretty quick to do this yourself... just enter the modmatrix and change anything that say "ModWheel" in the source to "FootPedal" instead.
Personally I'm lucky... My V-Synth GT allow me to choose what CC# any physical control send out via MIDI, so I can simply change the Pedal to also send CC01 for the ModWheel... I could even use a knob, a D-Beam or the XY-Pad on the GT for this...
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Thought I'd better say, that I am still working on the revised bank... not done yet... hollidays and stuff came in the way, but it's still being worked on right now.
Until further notice, here is a short demo of one of the new sounds in the bank called "Oxygenetics":
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/Oxygenetics.mp3
This is clearly an attempt at creating the swirling phaser motion of Jean Michel Jarre's Oxygene pad that was originally created using the Eminent 310 unique organ, and aan Electro Harmonix Smallstone phaser... Getting "that phaser sound" is impossible unless you use the real thing... I've not even heard another analog phaser being able to do this kind of phasing, unless it's a clone... so do't expect the real deal here... it's as close as I can get using ONLY the REV2. It's a 16 voice preset btw. using the build in phaser carefully.
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Can't wait. I use the first 16 sounds more than any other presets on this instrument. Fantastic job on those.
Looking forward to the update.
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Can't wait. I use the first 16 sounds more than any other presets on this instrument. Fantastic job on those.
Looking forward to the update.
I'm close to finishing the bank... just want to make sure it's as perfect as i can get it... I'll guess it's ready in the beginning of August (I'm going on holliday for the next 4 days right now, so cannot touch my REV2 in that period) :)
The first 16 presets are the ambient ones if I recall right... yeah... probably way too few of these in this "mixed bag bank" ... but I'll change that when I start on the next bank which will focus more on Drones and Ambient moving textures.
I have removed some of the presets from the original bank that I found too mediocre, and I'll make sure that some of them will be replaced with new Ambient presets... it seems that these are what most users like the most.
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+1 here. Really like those ambient patches, a few of the others were cool too but not something that I'll potentially be using. Kudos to Razmo for going back to polish the bank!
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really well done clean patches! i just got a rev 2 and im having problems building clean sounding patches so here is proof that this is possible :-) im listening to realms of fantasy and if that is just the output of the rev 2 it can all be done.
have you ever thought about patches that are connected to certain tunings? for ambient music i think the power of the rev 2 lies in the tuning possibilites, complex harmonics, frequency stacking etc.
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really well done clean patches! i just got a rev 2 and im having problems building clean sounding patches so here is proof that this is possible :-) im listening to realms of fantasy and if that is just the output of the rev 2 it can all be done.
have you ever thought about patches that are connected to certain tunings? for ambient music i think the power of the rev 2 lies in the tuning possibilites, complex harmonics, frequency stacking etc.
It's the REV2 100% yes... no external FX involved, that was one of my goals when I made the bank; to use it for ambient right out of the box... but with that said, if you switch off the internal reverb (or not) and throw the programs thru a high quality external reverb, it certainly sounds even better.
Regarding tunings... no, I've actually never messed around with those... never really found a use for it much, but maybe it can be used for something unique when it comes to Ambient styles, I do not know... Problem with the tuning though is that users would have to upload these separately from the programs, and as I cannot save the tuning used with the preset (as far as I know, I may be wrong), then it would become a bit problematic. How would you know what tuning scale to use for which program?
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Just a Pad sound I'm working on for the revised bank (100% REV2):
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/GlitterBox.mp3
For this one I used a bit of an unusual trick... I actually used the glide mode polyphonically, even if it normaly sound really bad (notes gliding about in all different directions)... I did not use it the standard way (for pitch), but rather I switched glide on for oscillator 1, which is synced to oscillator 2... in that way I use glide to create weird and pseudo random sync sweeps... with a Pad sound like this, where the attack phases of the filter and amp are a bit long, the effect is subtle, but it gives some nice random'ish movement to the sound as you switch chords as you play... I think that sync with glide may be useable for many other interesting tricks... just to let you know, in case anyone wants to mess around with this. An alternative would be to also use it for FM on the filter and then Oscillator Mix set all the way up (to only hear oscillator 2)... you'd have to use the tuneable filter for this of course.
For polyphonic glides, direct pitch control is not of much use, but in this case this abnormal way of glide can actually be put to some good use :)
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Nice sounding patch!, and good idea to use glide with sync osc... I'm gonna play around with that.
Polyphonic glide can definitely be hard to get predictable/good results... One trick that I've played around with Poly Glide is to copy layer A to layer B, then set the keyboard in SPLIT mode and set glide only on the second layer... so you have exact same timbre on both, but using split to limit the "glide keys" to only the upper register... this halves the voices using glide, and reduces the randomness of having sudden large swings from bass notes to upper registers. It allows you to really push the glide times up to higher amounts. I bet this approach would work really well with sync idea.
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http://razmo.ziphoid.com/AvianForest.mp3
The above is a small demo of one of the presets in the bank (Avian Forest), that has been tweaked. I'm putting up this example because it shows pretty well what the major upgrade in the modulation control is with practically all the presets.
As I wrote earlier, I decided to drop the use of the Pedal as a controller, and simply stick to Velocity, Pitch Wheel and Mod Wheel. The reason is that you will not need to buy a pedal to use the presets, but also because many physical controls are monophonic, including the pedal. This means that what ever these controls are set to, they will effect the voices the same, and at the same time... I switched the pedal to Velocity instead, since velocity is actually a polyphonic physical control, and it allows for much more varied modulation of the sounds (just listen to the example above... the low keys are played soft, the higher ones at varying velocity)... it gives so much more when playing the presets performance wise, and you do not have to think about moving one of your hands to a mod wheel... I feel it makes the sounds feel much more alive and like you're actually playing an instrument. Also, the movement in the sounds sound much more modulated since each voice is modulating in different ways, especially the Ambient presets.
The pitch and mod wheels are mainly used for pitch bend and vibrato on all the presets, in one way or another, as this is basically what they serve best... Aftertouch is not used at all, except for a single preset that highly benefit from it... This basically standardize these monophonic controls in their use, which makes it easier to remember what they actually do.
The example above is 100% REV2 by the way...
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Just as a counterpoint I appreciated that your initial bank had foot pedal assignments and would recommend keeping them as it adds a fair amount of enjoyment to playing with some of your sounds.
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Just as a counterpoint I appreciated that your initial bank had foot pedal assignments and would recommend keeping them as it adds a fair amount of enjoyment to playing with some of your sounds.
Don't worry, that was the plan to keep both the old and new bank... Both banks will be in the archive, so you can chose whatever version you like, or both ;)
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Thought I had better do a little update on this thread, since I am not really advertising for this soundbank anywhere... and thus new owners of a REV2 might not even know it is existing.
I have no intention of advertising further, since money is not what drove me to sell the bank, rather fairness because of the imense work I put into it.
This has also let me to wonder, if my price is a bit too steep? I initially just looked quickly at what others took for 128 sounds, and adapted that price... What do you guys think is a fair price today, for a bank of 128 sounds with my quality? (Whatever people might find that to be), and would it be fair after this long initial release, to lower the price for future purchasers?
I am not really a businessman in any way, so I would like to hear from you, also you who actually bought the sounds.
I have earned a nice amount selling these sounds, enough to fund about a PEAK I would say, and I am more than pleased and grateful for all who purchased it.
As you probably know by now, I do not have a REV2 anymore, so there will unfortunately not be any new banks from me for the REV2, but there just might be in the future for the Sequential PRO3... Time will tell... Waldorf Quantum too and one more unknown in the future... but I do not intend on making loads of banks... mainly for my own use, and then sell them if there is enough interrest.
Well...just a few words from here. :)
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To be honest, I can‘t actually remember the price anymore... and don‘t want to look it up either. So if I thought at any point that it was too much, I would remember ;-) Since I usually don‘t buy things, that I think are too expensive, it was definitely not too much.
I would not lower the price for future purchasers... just because the development is further in the past by now, doesn‘t make the sounds any worse. Good presets for a synth are still good when the synth gets older.
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Having forgotten what I paid for the bank I can't really call it overpriced, but I'd recommend lower prices anyday, everyday... I suppose supply & demand is a factor in all things sales related, and there are quite a few banks available nowadays, which weren't there when you released Realms of Fantasy. I have no idea how sales work though.
RANT: I respect creators' time investment in things, intellectual property etc, I believe most do, but when push comes to shove it often boils down to budget for most potential buyers/users. Personally, I prefer less exclusive products at lower prices. And with no particular intention of bad-mouthing anyone, being an Ensoniq sampler owner comes with knowing who Chickensys/Rubber Chicken are, and I can hardly think of a more prime example of bad sales because of irrationally high prices (and arrogance)... Well, maybe Sound Quest/Midi Quest comes close... Nevermind, point being, 10x10$=100$ ... 1x80$=less than 100$, and customer(s) expecting more bang for buck... Less customers, less word by mouth etc. Lower price=lower expectancy/higher appreciation/value of product to customers. REAPER comes to mind.
Just my un-biased opinion. Simply put, if there were 10 banks at 10$ each, I'd probably get them all, but if one was 50$ I wouldn't get it. To each his own. I remember the pricing being "on the fence" for me on this one, so I'm guessing it was around 30€ ? 20€ would've been a no-brainer.
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My apologies if I come across as harsh, which was not the intention, I should of course also mention that I think the "Realms of Fantasy" bank is more than worth its price, and I see no reason to lower the price for that reason. I'm very happy with the bank(s) for the price as is, and my rant was only meant in a broader sense, definitely NOT in any way aimed at Razmo. Brainstorming, or speaking out of the a**. Anyways, I'm a happy customer and have no issues what so ever! I would buy again!
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I don’t own a Rev2, so I can’t comment on the bank, but you might try taking a page out of GeoSynths book and do a series of YouTube videos showing each preset.
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My apologies if I come across as harsh, which was not the intention, I should of course also mention that I think the "Realms of Fantasy" bank is more than worth its price, and I see no reason to lower the price for that reason. I'm very happy with the bank(s) for the price as is, and my rant was only meant in a broader sense, definitely NOT in any way aimed at Razmo. Brainstorming, or speaking out of the a**. Anyways, I'm a happy customer and have no issues what so ever! I would buy again!
I appreciate honest answers to honest questions, so in no way did you come across as harsh ;)... I can fully follow anything you wrote.
I guess that the problem I am having is that i want as many to have a use for the sounds as possible, which makes me want to lower the price a bit, since as I write, money is not the main objective here, but it also makes me feel bad for all of those buyers who paid the full 40 dollars... At the same time, in business it is not unusual to lower pricing when sales start to decline, so what to do :)
I have been thinking about lowering it to about 30 dollars instead, but on the other hands, as someone else is saying, the sounds do not decline in actual usage value... I just have a hard time on this one... Maybe I should just leave this one alone, and make the reduction for future banks.
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I don’t own a Rev2, so I can’t comment on the bank, but you might try taking a page out of GeoSynths book and do a series of YouTube videos showing each preset.
I actually promised that back then, but never came around to it... This is on the list for future sound banks though (from the get go, because if I release the bank prior, I will probably never get around doing it)... I do have to considder how to do it because presenting each and every 128 sounds takes a huge amount of time and is very exhausting.
I cannot do this for the current REV2 bank though, as I do not have a REV2... This is though my greatest regret not doing as it would have made for a much better presentation.
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I don’t own a Rev2, so I can’t comment on the bank, but you might try taking a page out of GeoSynths book and do a series of YouTube videos showing each preset.
I actually promised that back then, but never came around to it... This is on the list for future sound banks though (from the get go, because if I release the bank prior, I will probably never get around doing it)... I do have to considder how to do it because presenting each and every 128 sounds takes a huge amount of time and is very exhausting.
I cannot do this for the current REV2 bank though, as I do not have a REV2... This is though my greatest regret not doing as it would have made for a much better presentation.
I didn’t answer your question... sorry.
No, $40 is not too much for a set of 128 custom presets. I know the amount of work that goes into it. It’s tedious and very time consuming.
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I, for one, see no reason to mind at all if you lower the price. It's your product and your business. I think you could pick up some more sales if you do though, a couple on the fence at least... Again, speaking as a consumer/buyer, my comfort zone goes around 20-30$ personally for any sound bank as buyer, as I rarely end up actually editing and using too many of others patches anyway, on a restrained budget I cannot justify buying banks too often... well, depending on price... So I find the number of patches in a bank less important than the price, as I'll only ever use a couple anyhow, I'd rather buy 4 different banks of 32 patches each at 10$, than 128/40$.
I guess it's just easier to pull the trigger on stuff you can readily afford, and not a big deal to "jump the gun", it doesn't require the same commitment, and lower expectations often makes for higher appreciation, to me at least.
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I, for one, see no reason to mind at all if you lower the price. It's your product and your business. I think you could pick up some more sales if you do though, a couple on the fence at least... Again, speaking as a consumer/buyer, my comfort zone goes around 20-30$ personally for any sound bank as buyer, as I rarely end up actually editing and using too many of others patches anyway, on a restrained budget I cannot justify buying banks too often... well, depending on price... So I find the number of patches in a bank less important than the price, as I'll only ever use a couple anyhow, I'd rather buy 4 different banks of 32 patches each at 10$, than 128/40$.
I guess it's just easier to pull the trigger on stuff you can readily afford, and not a big deal to "jump the gun", it doesn't require the same commitment, and lower expectations often makes for higher appreciation, to me at least.
I once played with the ideer of selling patches one at a time because I actually find that view more appealing to the buyer... The problem with this is though, that the PayPall fees would make buying 128 sounds one at a time, very expensive... Of course this would not be the case, as people would probably buy more sounds, at once and only pay the fee once, but would such a direction be any good?
Selling one sound at a time would also solve an important problem with time... I could add sounds faster, and would not get bored with the same 128 sounds for 7 months straight as last time...
But what price would you as a user pay per sound if I did it this way instead?
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I, for one, see no reason to mind at all if you lower the price. It's your product and your business. I think you could pick up some more sales if you do though, a couple on the fence at least... Again, speaking as a consumer/buyer, my comfort zone goes around 20-30$ personally for any sound bank as buyer, as I rarely end up actually editing and using too many of others patches anyway, on a restrained budget I cannot justify buying banks too often... well, depending on price... So I find the number of patches in a bank less important than the price, as I'll only ever use a couple anyhow, I'd rather buy 4 different banks of 32 patches each at 10$, than 128/40$.
I guess it's just easier to pull the trigger on stuff you can readily afford, and not a big deal to "jump the gun", it doesn't require the same commitment, and lower expectations often makes for higher appreciation, to me at least.
I once played with the ideer of selling patches one at a time because I actually find that view more appealing to the buyer... The problem with this is though, that the PayPall fees would make buying 128 sounds one at a time, very expensive... Of course this would not be the case, as people would probably buy more sounds, at once and only pay the fee once, but would such a direction be any good?
Selling one sound at a time would also solve an important problem with time... I could add sounds faster, and would not get bored with the same 128 sounds for 7 months straight as last time...
But what price would you as a user pay per sound if I did it this way instead?
One at a time seems too far in the other direction... but 16 or 32 (numbers that multiply into 128) seems like a good happy medium. And you could group them: strings and brasses, arps, leads, basses, pads, fx, etc...
I did 256 for the Prophet X Replicants sample pack (128 x 2, both A and B layers). So I feel your pain.
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Not only are banks consisting of fewer patches a smaller investment/commitment for the buyer pricewise, but also for the programmer timewise (less pain ;D ), and as Shaw said; possibly more niche banks as a bonus.
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I guess you are right... A good middle ground would be go concentrate on small batches of 16 sounds and put these up... That would make it a lot less straining when designing them, and also create demos of them... Thank you for the suggestions 😊
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Is this soundset still available for purchase? Pm'd Op.
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Is this soundset still available for purchase? Pm'd Op.
I pm'd him too and no response so far.
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So sad the final version never arrived. I would love to have a full preset bank replaced only with Pads.
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So sad the final version never arrived. I would love to have a full preset bank replaced only with Pads.
What was the final version supposed to be? merci
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Does anyone know another way to get in touch with Razmo other than PM'ing? I sent a PM over a week ago about purchasing these presets but haven't heard back.
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I would LOVE to purchase these presets too if anyone has his email or contact info. Let us give you money!
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Sadly, our friend Razmo, creator of the “Realms of Fantasy” soundset, has passed away after losing his battle with cancer.
I knew him only through this forum, but I counted him among friends. He was warm, genuine, insightful, and had a passion for synthesis that he was eager to share with others. His knowledge, perspective and humor will be greatly missed.
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Wonder if there’s any way for users who already have the sound set to share and for people to donate the purchase price to a charity or perhaps if someone has contact to Razmo’s family to donate the proceeds to a recipient of their choosing. Who knows if they are saddled with medical/funeral bills that could be assisted with.
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I would also love to donate to a charity in place of buying them. I think it's a nice idea
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Sadly, our friend Razmo, creator of the “Realms of Fantasy” soundset, has passed away after losing his battle with cancer.
I knew him only through this forum, but I counted him among friends. He was warm, genuine, insightful, and had a passion for synthesis that he was eager to share with others. His knowledge, perspective and humor will be greatly missed.
That very sad to read. Razmo was always so helpful by extensively answering questions on this forum.
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Sorry to hear about Razmo. I would love to purchase this some way as well!
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Sadly, our friend Razmo, creator of the “Realms of Fantasy” soundset, has passed away after losing his battle with cancer.
I knew him only through this forum, but I counted him among friends. He was warm, genuine, insightful, and had a passion for synthesis that he was eager to share with others. His knowledge, perspective and humor will be greatly missed.
Cheers Razmo
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Long time lurker here.
I am sorry to hear about Razmo's passing. If anyone does figure out a way to donate in his name or to his family to make his patches available I would do it in a heartbeat.
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Wow, this is unfortunate news. I've been browsing the forum for the last week while I wait for my Rev2 to arrive and I came across Razmo's long mp3 sample of his patches. I really wanted to buy them so I tried searching for a purchase page and finally wound up here. I guess I should have started browsing from most recent posts rather than from two years ago. Quite bummed and a little depressed to find out about his passing in this way, even though I never even spoke to him.
Well, if anyone knows of a way for me to get this patch collection I'd be grateful. He put a lot of work into them and they sound really great.
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WOW, RIP Razmo. I had sent him a PM about purchasing his soundbank and wondered why he never responded back. Very unfortunate death. He seemed like a good person. I followed his path to creating this soundbank and I wanted to support his efforts because they sounded so good.
Like everyone else said if anyone finds a way for me to be able to get this and donate to his family I'm more than willing.
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RIP :'(
Bought rev2 recently, and today I was almost ready to send Razmo PM - but then I opened page 5 of this thread.. What a sad news. If it's still possible to get soundbank and donate to his family, I'd like to do it.
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So very sad to see this. RIP Razmo.
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Also long time lurker here...first post too
I’ve been looking at getting these patches for about a year and only JUST got the Rev2. I am so sorry to hear that he has passed -RIP Razmo. Such an unfortunate loss, I messaged him wondering why he didn’t reply...now I feel horrible.
I would gladly donate to his family for the soundbank, his work was absolutely fantastic and should be remembered.
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Like everyone else said if anyone finds a way for me to be able to get this and donate to his family I'm more than willing.
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If anyone has access to these patches, along with a contact for the family, I would also like to purchase.
First post here from new member, I’ve spent hours reading through the resource Razmo has shared here, and was gutted to find out he had passed. Thanks for your sounds and your passion Razmo, RIP.
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I tried to locate his family/relatives, but failed... I'm not Danish like Razmo was, so I don't know the proper routes to do this. Also, Nielsen is the second most popular/used last name in Denmark...
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I tried to locate his family/relatives, but failed... I'm not Danish like Razmo was, so I don't know the proper routes to do this. Also, Nielsen is the second most popular/used last name in Denmark...
It really is a shame that his patches are seemingly lost for now.
I am only a new member, but Razmo was obviously a major contributor to this forum and a valued supporter of Sequential - perhaps they could offer Razmo’s patch bank via their website and keep the proceeds in trust until we find the family? Alternatively, maybe a member here that was friends with Razmo could hold the money? I am sure he would want the patches to be available, and I’m sure the family would appreciate the money, even if it is just donated to a charity of their choice.
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hI!
any news about how to get Razmo’s patch bank? tx
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Order placed!
This is the first time I have purchased a soundbank. I have installed a few freebies over the years including some good ones released by manufacturers. But I was never inspired to purchase one as I prefer to just create my own patches.
I have been following this thread for months and have really enjoyed watching the process of the patch creation.
Invoice requested! I look forward to playing these creations on my own Rev2!
Hi! Are you willing to share Razmo's patch bank with Us? it with will a shame that his patches are seemingly lost for now. Maybe we Can Do a song tribute using only His patches.
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Maybe we Can Do a song tribute using only His patches.
That's an excellent idea!
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Worth every penny.
I've just finished checking all the sounds and it's really good.
Nice work Razmo.
Right now, I'm exhausted and I will plunge deeper into the depth of your presets tomorrow night.
Cheers.
Hi! Are you willing to share Razmo's patch bank with Us? it with will a shame that his patches are seemingly lost for now. Maybe we Can Do a song tribute using only His patches.
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Worth every penny.
I've just finished checking all the sounds and it's really good.
Nice work Razmo.
Right now, I'm exhausted and I will plunge deeper into the depth of your presets tomorrow night.
Cheers.
Hi! Are you willing to share Razmo's patch bank with Us? it with will a shame that his patches are seemingly lost for now. Maybe we Can Do a song tribute using only His patches.
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Oh man, I'm so sorry for his family and friends. I never contributed much to this forum but had this bookmarked for ages until I finally got to visiting this today, as I just wanted to buy his patches. May his soul rest in peace and play synths with all the great legends up there.