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SEQUENTIAL/DSI => OB-6 => Topic started by: colonelgeil on December 29, 2018, 09:58:34 AM
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Hello,
bought a seaboard today. Is it possible to control my ob6 via mpe ?
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Did you find anything out on this?
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Hello,
bought a seaboard today. Is it possible to control my ob6 via mpe ?
Only PolyAftertouch, not all the five dimensions. Still more dynamic than channel aftertouch. This holds true for all DSI synths. With external MPE controllers you can do poly aftertouch, but the built in DSI keyboards only have channel aftertouch. Very few hardware boards have MPE to date including the Modor, a couple of the Black Corp rack units like Dekkard's Dream and the new one, and it is on the Moog One roadmap, which is not surprising since one of the authors of MPE standards Geert Bevin works for them now.
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I read in a different post that the Sequential-team might look at full MPE-support for the OB-6 / P6 etc. if enough users would ask for it.
So here's another user asking for it!
MPE Support on OB-6 would be awesome (with a Roli Seaboard or Continuum for instance)
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Count me in as well.
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Count me in, too. is there anywhere that we can get this on a 'consider' list for the SW revs?
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I have both a P6 and an Ob6, and a seaboard Rise, so very interested.
So far i didn't have good results with the combo, due to the way aftertouch works on the roli, both aftertouch and velocity reacted quite strangely on the Ob6. Felt quite hard to control. Perhaps if i made a preset from scratch to use with the Rise.
Strangely, it worked like a charm on the Sub37, duophonic mode is awesome there with the Roli.
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+1 for MPE Support on OB-6
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I have both a P6 and an Ob6, and a seaboard Rise, so very interested.
So far i didn't have good results with the combo, due to the way aftertouch works on the roli, both aftertouch and velocity reacted quite strangely on the Ob6. Felt quite hard to control. Perhaps if i made a preset from scratch to use with the Rise.
Strangely, it worked like a charm on the Sub37, duophonic mode is awesome there with the Roli.
With Linn Instrument controller I'm finding you need to tweak your patches to make mod matrix setting (like AT) at a much lower setting, otherwise too sensitive. I haven't tried it much on OB 6 yet, but P12, PEK, PO8 responding nicely.
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I also NEED MPE Support on OB-6 ... since getting my Roli I don't care to play anything anymore without MPE. Also, I need it on the OB-6 Desktop ... I have no use ( and no room) for the built-in keyboard on the Prophet X.
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a multi-dimensional expressive polyphonic +1 from me too
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+1 here as well!
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+1!
I would love to play the OB-6 with my Haken Continuum.
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+1 here as well. Now that I have pre-ordered an Expressive E Osmose (and still have my Seaboard) I have even more reasons to need a MPE-capable Prophet X, OB6 or P12. My first choice between these would be the Prophet X as I think it sounds would be best suited to the expressivity of MPE.
My guess is that the Osmose will be very popular because it is much closer to a regular keyboard action than any of the current MPE devices and its popularity will greatly increase demand for MPE-capable hardware synths... especially in desktop versions. I hope DSI agrees and invests now in what is likely to be a very profitable market in the very near future.
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+1!
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+1 (also pre-ordered the Osmose, and would very much like to have MPE on the OB6)
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+1 Yes I have MPE needs also...please Dave work some OB-6 MPE magic on us !
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Been a year, I'm just weighing in again ;)
I have full MPE on only one synth really- and that's the Modor NF1. It's really the reason I bought it. In conjunction with the Linn midi controller its really fun to mess with slides and poly AT, etc. Addition of such a feature to the OB6 would keep this synth in premier status for many years to come.
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+1 for MPE support.
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Hi DSI/Sequential
The P6/OB6 are literally begging for MPE implementation. Literally. I can hear it. You are the right company to do this and mainstream it. Please. MPE is the future. Be the future. My Linnstrument has completely ruined non compliant synths. Someone is going to do a clearly MPE pop song and it's going to be like Cher on Autotune back in the day. Be the company they do it on.
The OB6 is goddamn crying for MPE. It's crying for it. Screams in the night.
PLEASE
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I actually already have it working on the Rev2/P6/OB6 but I need to finish testing. I can't do that right now as I don't have the hardware with me, but once I get back to the US (hopefully within the next 3 months) I'll get it out
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I actually already have it working on the Rev2/P6/OB6 but I need to finish testing. I can't do that right now as I don't have the hardware with me, but once I get back to the US (hopefully within the next 3 months) I'll get it out
What! Dig a tunnel, get there, quick!
Nice surprise. Thanks for doing this.
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I actually already have it working on the Rev2/P6/OB6 but I need to finish testing. I can't do that right now as I don't have the hardware with me, but once I get back to the US (hopefully within the next 3 months) I'll get it out
Do you think you will also be able to implement MPE for the PX?
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Can't make any promises at this time but it shouldn't be too hard to port over when I have the time to do so
I actually already have it working on the Rev2/P6/OB6 but I need to finish testing. I can't do that right now as I don't have the hardware with me, but once I get back to the US (hopefully within the next 3 months) I'll get it out
Do you think you will also be able to implement MPE for the PX?
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Holy cow, that's great news! thanks Pym.
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Hey. How are plans evolving on the "getting back to US" front? :)
Really waiting for mpe...
I actually already have it working on the Rev2/P6/OB6 but I need to finish testing. I can't do that right now as I don't have the hardware with me, but once I get back to the US (hopefully within the next 3 months) I'll get it out
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+2 (OB6 and P6)
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As aLinnstrument owner with a brand new OB6, I would very much like to see mpe support.
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Made the account for a +1. Been lurking for a year ;)
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Another +1 from another new member :)
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TOTALLY +1
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I finally got back from Germany, this is one of the top things on my list now
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I finally got back from Germany, this is one of the top things on my list now
Thats great news, good luck !
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Really looking forward to this! 2020 needs it 😂
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Does anybody know if the ASM Hydrasynth could act as an MPE controller for an MPE enabled OB6? It gained MPE support in a recent update and has a keyboard with polyphonic aftertouch.
It's an awesome synth in itself and compliments the OB6 well.
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I don't see why not- at least for the poly AT. But a more dedicated MPE might give easier 3 dimensional transmit info. Not sure if ASM's slider strip will work or not outside of their instrument. I use a Linn Instrument so I can do 3 axis. I found that with the Linn that the immediacy of the pitch slides is its real strength. I rarely use the vertical finger movement for volume. Rather just peddle that.
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I don't see why not- at least for the poly AT. But a more dedicated MPE might give easier 3 dimensional transmit info.
For sure. Was more thinking it'd be a nice bonus from owning a Hydrasynth raher than a Hydrasynth being the best controller available for an MPE'd OB6.
I use a Linn Instrument so I can do 3 axis. I found that with the Linn that the immediacy of the pitch slides is its real strength. I rarely use the vertical finger movement for volume. Rather just peddle that.
Nice. I've yet to try one. I tried a Roli Seaboard but it felt bad, it was however a store demo model so God knows what condition it was actually in or how it was setup.
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I finally got back from Germany, this is one of the top things on my list now
How is it going with this? :)
Anticipation is growing by the minute...
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Huge +1 from me as well.
So excited that MPE is on the roadmap!
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Well after I got back from Germany, I moved from San Francisco. The day I moved to Ben Lomond, I had one beautiful night of sleep on my new mattress when I was evacuated from the fires
So now I have a Pro3 in front of me. I have to wait til I'm back in a set up studio to get back to the MPE stuff. I promise it'll be worth it
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But that said, the last time I looked at it I confirmed individual voice pitchbend was working perfectly... so there has been progress!
Well after I got back from Germany, I moved from San Francisco. The day I moved to Ben Lomond, I had one beautiful night of sleep on my new mattress when I was evacuated from the fires
So now I have a Pro3 in front of me. I have to wait til I'm back in a set up studio to get back to the MPE stuff. I promise it'll be worth it
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I promise it'll be worth it
I have no doubt! The fact that it's possible and coming along gets me so pumped.
Thanks for the update.
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I feel for you...I live in Palo Alto (we are buried in smoke) but many friends in Boulder Creek, Bonny Doon, La Honda etc...big musician community; I lived in La Honda and Portola Valley for several years.
Hope that you have found a way to be settled once again soon!Well after I got back from Germany, I moved from San Francisco. The day I moved to Ben Lomond, I had one beautiful night of sleep on my new mattress when I was evacuated from the fires
So now I have a Pro3 in front of me. I have to wait til I'm back in a set up studio to get back to the MPE stuff. I promise it'll be worth it
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But that said, the last time I looked at it I confirmed individual voice pitchbend was working perfectly... so there has been progress!
Well after I got back from Germany, I moved from San Francisco. The day I moved to Ben Lomond, I had one beautiful night of sleep on my new mattress when I was evacuated from the fires
So now I have a Pro3 in front of me. I have to wait til I'm back in a set up studio to get back to the MPE stuff. I promise it'll be worth it
Is that true on the PX? Looking at grabbing a Linnstrument to control the PX for this.
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My intention is to add it to the PX but I'm only committing to the P6/OB6/Rev2 right now
But that said, the last time I looked at it I confirmed individual voice pitchbend was working perfectly... so there has been progress!
Well after I got back from Germany, I moved from San Francisco. The day I moved to Ben Lomond, I had one beautiful night of sleep on my new mattress when I was evacuated from the fires
So now I have a Pro3 in front of me. I have to wait til I'm back in a set up studio to get back to the MPE stuff. I promise it'll be worth it
Is that true on the PX? Looking at grabbing a Linnstrument to control the PX for this.
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It's sad to admit how often I check this thread for news at this point.
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It's sad to admit how often I check this thread for news at this point.
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Same here, can only imagine what it sounds like with my Linnstrument.
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Ditto :)
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In my never ending anticipation for this, a few questions: obviously individual pitch bends are going to work, but am I right in assuming that aftertouch will turn into poly-aftertouch? I'm also guessing/hoping that the pitch bend range will apply to all the MPE notes as well? I'm also curious if the poly-aftertouch will need/want a slew setting? Curious if it's needed.
Thanks. I hope you were safe in the fires!
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Yes, you can do poly aftertouch with an external controller. It will have some degree of slew, similar to what is already there with the monophonic.
I still haven't figured out pitchbend range or many of the sub-params. I'll be looking at this next month
In my never ending anticipation for this, a few questions: obviously individual pitch bends are going to work, but am I right in assuming that aftertouch will turn into poly-aftertouch? I'm also guessing/hoping that the pitch bend range will apply to all the MPE notes as well? I'm also curious if the poly-aftertouch will need/want a slew setting? Curious if it's needed.
Thanks. I hope you were safe in the fires!
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Sounds good thanks!
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In the Prophet 5 rev 4 thread on Muffwiggler.com Pym has said MPE on the OB6 is finished and is just with the support guys (maybe for beta testing or documentaion) so shouldn't be long now.
Wahoo!
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Amazing!!
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You guys are amazing! Thank you for this!
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I even added a few Y-Axis destinations
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Exciting! Very much looking forward to this!
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I even added a few Y-Axis destinations
SO HYPE!
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I decided on 4 destinations for the OB6:
Cutoff
PW Osc 1
PW Osc 2
PW Osc 1+2
And also added a flag that switches the behavior from unipolar to bipolar so you can control presets that have one of those params set in the middle a bit easier. I didn't add reverse unipolar but I could see how that could be useful too
I even added a few Y-Axis destinations
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I decided on 4 destinations for the OB6:
Cutoff
PW Osc 1
PW Osc 2
PW Osc 1+2
And also added a flag that switches the behavior from unipolar to bipolar so you can control presets that have one of those params set in the middle a bit easier. I didn't add reverse unipolar but I could see how that could be useful too
Amazing. And then the polyaftertouch destinations are the same as the current aftertouch ones?
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Yeah, nothing else has changed really on that end but we may have an additional surprise for you guys... stay tuned ;)
I decided on 4 destinations for the OB6:
Cutoff
PW Osc 1
PW Osc 2
PW Osc 1+2
And also added a flag that switches the behavior from unipolar to bipolar so you can control presets that have one of those params set in the middle a bit easier. I didn't add reverse unipolar but I could see how that could be useful too
Amazing. And then the polyaftertouch destinations are the same as the current aftertouch ones?
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Pym! This is making me so happy! You are doing a fantastic job! I want you guys to know that you are really making a difference in my musicia ship ❤️❤️ thank you thank you thank you
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we may have an additional surprise for you guys... stay tuned ;)
Ooh, exciting! Any guesses anyone?
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we may have an additional surprise for you guys... stay tuned ;)
Ooh, exciting! Any guesses anyone?
Vintage knob functionality from P5/P10 included in OB6/P6/Rev2 would be amazing.
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we may have an additional surprise for you guys... stay tuned ;)
Ooh, exciting! Any guesses anyone?
Vintage knob functionality from P5/P10 included in OB6/P6/Rev2 would be amazing.
Something even better maybe.....a synth with a polyphonic aftertouch keybed.
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we may have an additional surprise for you guys... stay tuned ;)
Ooh, exciting! Any guesses anyone?
Vintage knob functionality from P5/P10 included in OB6/P6/Rev2 would be amazing.
Something even better maybe.....a synth with a polyphonic aftertouch keybed.
A poly AT keybed upgrade for OB6?
Unlikely I guess but I'd pay for it!
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we may have an additional surprise for you guys... stay tuned ;)
Ooh, exciting! Any guesses anyone?
Vintage knob functionality from P5/P10 included in OB6/P6/Rev2 would be amazing.
Something even better maybe.....a synth with a polyphonic aftertouch keybed.
A poly AT keybed upgrade for OB6?
Unlikely I guess but I'd pay for it!
No I mean for a new instrument all together.
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Vintage knob functionality from P5/P10 included in OB6/P6/Rev2 would be amazing.
Isn't the Vintage knob the same as the Detune knob?
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Vintage knob functionality from P5/P10 included in OB6/P6/Rev2 would be amazing.
Isn't the Vintage knob the same as the Detune knob?
No. Slop essentially introduces random tuning drift. Vintage basically loosens everything from the tuning to the envelopes, everything just starts to move in it’s own way.
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No. Slop essentially introduces random tuning drift. Vintage basically loosens everything from the tuning to the envelopes, everything just starts to move in it’s own way.
Ahhhhh. Nice.
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Very excited for poly pitch bend in particular. I can’t wait to play my much loved OB-6 and P6 with the linnstrument without restriction!
The pangs of horror I feel when I pitch bend and all the held notes bend the same will finally be over :D
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Very excited for poly pitch bend in particular. I can’t wait to play my much loved OB-6 and P6 with the linnstrument without restriction!
The pangs of horror I feel when I pitch bend and all the held notes bend the same will finally be over :D
It always puzzled me why Sequential didn’t use the Oberheim benders from the OBXa where you could bend individual oscillators. I think the OB6 would have stood out more from the P6 if they did that.
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Yes, you can do poly aftertouch with an external controller. It will have some degree of slew, similar to what is already there with the monophonic.
Interesting! I build wind controllers for a living, and always when testing synths for use with them, the slew on the aftertouch (channel pressure) or breath (CC#2) is the most important factor for usablilty. Too little and there is stepping, too much and you lose response. On the OB-6 and Prophet-6 the slew on aftertouch is slightly too much for perfect breath response, but pretty ok. On the Prophet 12 the slew is too much (CC#2), and it unfortunately makes it too unresponsive for use with wind controllers (too bad, because it is an awesome synth). If this is just a firmware fix, or if there could be a system adjustment parameter for this even, that would be a game changer. On REV2 and Evolver the amount of slew on CC#2 is just right btw :) I realize this is way off topic, so sorry about that. Regarding the actual topic – really looking forward to using the OB-6 with my Seaboard! Thank you so much for doing this!
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Next week maybe? ;)
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We're just waiting to get final testing on it, lot of other problems to handle right now due to covid and a fire at one of the parts factories but it'll be soon!
Next week maybe? ;)
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🙏
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Pym, just want to say thank you so much for working on this, having my OB6 to support MPE will be a dream come true for sure
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We're just waiting to get final testing on it, lot of other problems to handle right now due to covid and a fire at one of the parts factories but it'll be soon!
Next week maybe? ;)
Was that the AKM factory? That sounded like it’s going to cause mass disruption to supply for a year.
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I actually already have it working on the Rev2/P6/OB6 but I need to finish testing. I can't do that right now as I don't have the hardware with me, but once I get back to the US (hopefully within the next 3 months) I'll get it out
Late to the party, but any possibility of it being back-ported to the P12? I feel like that synth with it's matrix is begging for a Polyphonic Pressure source.
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Eh... I hesitate to shut the door on that entirely but let's wait until we get things rolling and see how it's received. If it works out well on the P6/OB6 the next one would be the Rev2 and PX, and if those get done it wouldn't be terribly hard to do the P12, but I cannot make any promises. That's a really old code base and I have lots of new things I have to get done
I should just set up kickstarters per feature you guys want to incentivize me
I actually already have it working on the Rev2/P6/OB6 but I need to finish testing. I can't do that right now as I don't have the hardware with me, but once I get back to the US (hopefully within the next 3 months) I'll get it out
Late to the party, but any possibility of it being back-ported to the P12? I feel like that synth with it's matrix is begging for a Polyphonic Pressure source.
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Eh... I hesitate to shut the door on that entirely but let's wait until we get things rolling and see how it's received. If it works out well on the P6/OB6 the next one would be the Rev2 and PX, and if those get done it wouldn't be terribly hard to do the P12, but I cannot make any promises. That's a really old code base and I have lots of new things I have to get done
I should just set up kickstarters per feature you guys want to incentivize me
Completely understandable! Let me know if / when I should DoorDash over some beer! ;)
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should just set up kickstarters per feature you guys want to incentivize me
Do it! That's a good idea.
I'd pay for additional features. How many OB6/P6 are out there 5,000 of each? Could totally work financially.
If you've got the time outside Sequential commitments and it gets Sequential's blessing ...
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should just set up kickstarters per feature you guys want to incentivize me
Do it! That's a good idea.
I'd pay for additional features. How many OB6/P6 are out there 5,000 of each? Could totally work financially.
If you've got the time outside Sequential commitments and it gets Sequential's blessing ...
It would probably get nixed by most of the legal teams I've worked with... in most cases in the non-compete that's signed on initial employment (would prevent an employee from selling products/services that produce revenue that could have been realized by their employer), and even if not in the non-compete would potentially get flagged as a conflict of interest.
I've seen non-competes and employment contracts that asked me to sign away rights to pretty much any design idea I had or intellectual property I developed while I was employed by them, whether or not it had identifiable overlap with their product line.
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Not all companies are so protective of IP. I support and believe in our company and value integrity, openness and honesty. The music industry at this level is too small and based on bonds of understanding and trust in a different way than other more competitive technology fields
should just set up kickstarters per feature you guys want to incentivize me
Do it! That's a good idea.
I'd pay for additional features. How many OB6/P6 are out there 5,000 of each? Could totally work financially.
If you've got the time outside Sequential commitments and it gets Sequential's blessing ...
It would probably get nixed by most of the legal teams I've worked with... in most cases in the non-compete that's signed on initial employment (would prevent an employee from selling products/services that produce revenue that could have been realized by their employer), and even if not in the non-compete would potentially get flagged as a conflict of interest.
I've seen non-competes and employment contracts that asked me to sign away rights to pretty much any design idea I had or intellectual property I developed while I was employed by them, whether or not it had identifiable overlap with their product line.
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Not all companies are so protective of IP. I support and believe in our company and value integrity, openness and honesty. The music industry at this level is too small and based on bonds of understanding and trust in a different way than other more competitive technology fields
should just set up kickstarters per feature you guys want to incentivize me
Do it! That's a good idea.
I'd pay for additional features. How many OB6/P6 are out there 5,000 of each? Could totally work financially.
If you've got the time outside Sequential commitments and it gets Sequential's blessing ...
It would probably get nixed by most of the legal teams I've worked with... in most cases in the non-compete that's signed on initial employment (would prevent an employee from selling products/services that produce revenue that could have been realized by their employer), and even if not in the non-compete would potentially get flagged as a conflict of interest.
I've seen non-competes and employment contracts that asked me to sign away rights to pretty much any design idea I had or intellectual property I developed while I was employed by them, whether or not it had identifiable overlap with their product line.
I get what you're saying, and sometimes even small startups don't actually enforce the contracts word for word. I'm just pointing out (that in some situations) it can lead to murky waters, for example when users start contacting the primary company for support for an issue where it's not clear whether the issue is with the product itself, or the additional functionality added via the side business (then of course there can be a situation where the resources of the primary company are being used for the side venture).
But then again there are companies that believe that aftermarket add-ons add value and help sell more product, so that's one perspective (and hopefully Dave's).
The above is just the businessman in me looking at it from one side. The musician and consumer of products side me would love to see features added out of band (that's essentially what Soundtower does, right?), so I'm all for it and if the company supports it, more power to you.
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I'm just saying it's not a problem you need to worry yourself with. I'll have the proper authorization to do such a thing if I move forward with it
Not all companies are so protective of IP. I support and believe in our company and value integrity, openness and honesty. The music industry at this level is too small and based on bonds of understanding and trust in a different way than other more competitive technology fields
should just set up kickstarters per feature you guys want to incentivize me
Do it! That's a good idea.
I'd pay for additional features. How many OB6/P6 are out there 5,000 of each? Could totally work financially.
If you've got the time outside Sequential commitments and it gets Sequential's blessing ...
It would probably get nixed by most of the legal teams I've worked with... in most cases in the non-compete that's signed on initial employment (would prevent an employee from selling products/services that produce revenue that could have been realized by their employer), and even if not in the non-compete would potentially get flagged as a conflict of interest.
I've seen non-competes and employment contracts that asked me to sign away rights to pretty much any design idea I had or intellectual property I developed while I was employed by them, whether or not it had identifiable overlap with their product line.
I get what you're saying, and sometimes even small startups don't actually enforce the contracts word for word. I'm just pointing out (that in some situations) it can lead to murky waters, for example when users start contacting the primary company for support for an issue where it's not clear whether the issue is with the product itself, or the additional functionality added via the side business (then of course there can be a situation where the resources of the primary company are being used for the side venture).
But then again there are companies that believe that aftermarket add-ons add value and help sell more product, so that's one perspective (and hopefully Dave's).
The above is just the businessman in me looking at it from one side. The musician and consumer of products side me would love to see features added out of band (that's essentially what Soundtower does, right?), so I'm all for it and if the company supports it, more power to you.
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I'm just saying it's not a problem you need to worry yourself with. I'll have the proper authorization to do such a thing if I move forward with it
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I'm just saying it's not a problem you need to worry yourself with. I'll have the proper authorization to do such a thing if I move forward with it
Certainly wasn't worrying myself with it, I was putting forth the consideration to others who may not have thought about it (no doubt you already had). Not sure if you noticed but my original response on this topic was to someone else.
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Not sure if you noticed but my original response on this topic was to someone else.
It was me!!! And an interesting point it was too, one I hadn't considered.
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MPE support on the OB6 just in time with the release of Live 11 ! Perfect timing ! Can't wait to try it.
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Yep, I was aware of Ableton's MPE direction before it got released, so we tried to time it accordingly... just a little more patience!!
MPE support on the OB6 just in time with the release of Live 11 ! Perfect timing ! Can't wait to try it.
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You rock !
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Hello ... any news? Will Santa bring us MPE?
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Hello ... any news? Will Santa bring us MPE?
It feels like maybe we've been naughty, lol.
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We have had a couple serious issues to deal with on other instruments so this got pushed back just a bit, but we are doing our best to get it out by NYE
Hello ... any news? Will Santa bring us MPE?
It feels like maybe we've been naughty, lol.
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Thanks for the update ! And merry christmas, hope you're having a good time !
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Amazing. Thanks for the update!
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I haven't had the time to play with it yet, but IT'S HERE!
Thank you all.
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I'm so impressed after my initial play. It adds SO MUCH to this instrument. Thank you!
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I'm going to ask over here because there's already a thread, even though I have a P6. Can someone give a tutorial on using MPE with Bitwig? I have a Sensel Morph and have tried the keys and thunder overlays. I set my Bitwig HW Instrument to "Use MPE" and I selected MPE in the Prophet's midi channel. Pressure and Y axis work, but pitch bend is monophonic.
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Installed the new update, but when choosing MPE in midi channels, the pitchbend range doesn’t line up with what I selected.
Both Linnstrument & ob6 are set to a +/- 12 range.
The bend range works fine when mpe is not selected.
-edit- sorted with the global bendrange
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This is amazing, MPE for the OB-6. Sequential, thank you so much! I can't find instructions for using it, though.
So I guess pitch bend is just going to work, and pressure or poly AT will use the aftertouch routing.
What about the Y-axis / expression dimension? How do I assign that?
Thanks
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Ah, I just give the right CC# to send from the controller (LinnStrument). D'oh!
The pitch bend range seems stuck on 1 semitone, though. Vibrato is possible, but glissandos >1 semitone don't work for me.
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This is amazing, MPE for the OB-6. Sequential, thank you so much! I can't find instructions for using it, though.
So I guess pitch bend is just going to work, and pressure or poly AT will use the aftertouch routing.
What about the Y-axis / expression dimension? How do I assign that?
Thanks
OB6 has always responded to Polyphonic Aftertouch, now however you get a new modulation in the form the Y-Axis controller (which is CC74). You'll need something capable of MPE transmission to take advantage of it (like the new Live beta or Bitwig for software, or some other MPE controllers like the Roli or the Linnstrument)
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Spent all night on this - cannot update. Tried both USB and Midi interface, two different computers, one with windows 10, all buffer configurations. I've done updates before on OB6. Using Midi Ox (two different versions even), etc...... never had such difficulty before updating any instrument. Countdown always ends before green bar, no matter what. Any suggestions?
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I posted this in another thread, maybe it will help you. I followed these directions after a few frustrating hours of getting nowhere, and it worked:
I got this information from something a Sequential employee posted at GS:
"I would try updating to the synth via the bootloader. Hold WRITE while powering on. An animation will be shown on one of the screens indicating that bootloader is active. Send the OS to the synth via the MIDI IN port (USB cannot be used in bootloader mode)."
There's an extra light show near the end of the process when updating this way, so don't touch the synth for a minute or two after you reach 000 on the countdown.
Good luck, I feel your pain.
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I guess you know this, but apparently slowing the transmission rate of the sysex file can solve problems like this.
It worked for me, but the OB6 didn't reboot at the end, it just sat there with '0' on the display. Powering down manually was fine and it worked OK.
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Current issues I'm having with this 1.6.4 beta OS:
- pitch bend range seems to be stuck on just under 1 semitone, regardless of panel setting;
- sending CC to osc 2 level or PW results in non-polyphonic behaviour - all voices respond to a single voice's CC;
- grittiness / roughness to the sound when CCs are flowing, some CCs worse than others, eg. y-axis (LinnStrument) -> osc 1 PW
The grittiness sounds like anti-alliasing of the CC data which needs smoothing / filtering, though I guess it could be the digital hardware maxing out under unprecedented demands. Hopefully it's alliasing!
Another thing. I know the osc frequency controls are quantised to semitones on the panel. This quantisation is also present when controlling osc freq via CC. It would be nice, if possible, to have the option of smoothish sweeping of the frequency of osc 1 in particular, for smooth osc sync effects. Having the expression dimension of MPE subtly controlling the pitch of an oscillator which is sync'ed can work very nicely, IME, sounding very natural.
Thanks again for for such a brilliant development in a 5 year old synth. You guys are stars! Good luck with the final version.
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Thanks guys, I'll give it another shot tonight.
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It works here with a Rise49, thanks a lot Pym & Sequential !
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Happy days
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I posted this in another thread, maybe it will help you. I followed these directions after a few frustrating hours of getting nowhere, and it worked:
I got this information from something a Sequential employee posted at GS:
"I would try updating to the synth via the bootloader. Hold WRITE while powering on. An animation will be shown on one of the screens indicating that bootloader is active. Send the OS to the synth via the MIDI IN port (USB cannot be used in bootloader mode)."
There's an extra light show near the end of the process when updating this way, so don't touch the synth for a minute or two after you reach 000 on the countdown.
Good luck, I feel your pain.
Thank you. This alternate OS loading technique worked first try using midiox, 1024 buffer speed, and a Roland UM midi interface cable.
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Current issues I'm having with this 1.6.4 beta OS:
- pitch bend range seems to be stuck on just under 1 semitone, regardless of panel setting;
- sending CC to osc 2 level or PW results in non-polyphonic behaviour - all voices respond to a single voice's CC;
- grittiness / roughness to the sound when CCs are flowing, some CCs worse than others, eg. y-axis (LinnStrument) -> osc 1 PW
The grittiness sounds like anti-alliasing of the CC data which needs smoothing / filtering, though I guess it could be the digital hardware maxing out under unprecedented demands. Hopefully it's alliasing!
Another thing. I know the osc frequency controls are quantised to semitones on the panel. This quantisation is also present when controlling osc freq via CC. It would be nice, if possible, to have the option of smoothish sweeping of the frequency of osc 1 in particular, for smooth osc sync effects. Having the expression dimension of MPE subtly controlling the pitch of an oscillator which is sync'ed can work very nicely, IME, sounding very natural.
Thanks again for for such a brilliant development in a 5 year old synth. You guys are stars! Good luck with the final version.
Glad to have the update and the vintage feature too. Thanks Sequential! I too had thought that when playing more than one note at once that pitch slides are stepped, instead of smooth. But later I realized I was set up wrong on the Linn. Make sure you set it at Ch per note in the split settings menu. Select just channels 2 thru 7. Also, make sure your modwheel on OB6 itself is down all the way.
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A big thank you to Dave and the Sequential team for this fantastic update ! Vintage control is awesome, turns both OB-6 and P6 into new, even more inspiring synths. MPE is a game changer too ... some little glitches here and there on my configuration (Seaboard Rise 25 via MacBook Pro 2014 running Mojave connected via USB 3.0 hub to a MOTU Micro Lite MIDI interface, update went smoothly on both P6 and OB-6 with SysEx Librarian on default settings): Had to recalibrate a few times as it seemed that some voices had gotten ‘stuck’ on different basic tuning/filter frequency ... no big deal.
Remember: For MPE, one needs to set the max. number of channels on the controller to 6, otherwise one will loose notes (took me a while to figure it out).
Again: THANK YOU !!!
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Using Linn instrument If your OB6 is in MPE mode and you are entering notes from the controller into sequencer you need to set Linn to one channel out , otherwise it wont recognize chords sent, only single notes. Also, is using OB6 sequencer and Linn, there are some hanging notes that develop after doing a pitch slide whereas the whole sequence will transpose a bit. To rectify the event switch out of MPE and back to MPE mode, or tap 6 successive same notes which corrects it. Its like a hanging midi message transposing the sequencer.
I haven't noticed any other issues.
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Installed the new update, but when choosing MPE in midi channels, the pitchbend range doesn’t line up with what I selected.
Both Linnstrument & ob6 are set to a +/- 12 range.
The bend range works fine when mpe is not selected.
-edit- sorted with the global bendrange
What did you do, if you don't mind me asking. I can't get it to work at all on my Prophet 6. Seems like only global pitch is being taken from my Rise 49.
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Installed the new update, but when choosing MPE in midi channels, the pitchbend range doesn’t line up with what I selected.
Both Linnstrument & ob6 are set to a +/- 12 range.
The bend range works fine when mpe is not selected.
-edit- sorted with the global bendrange
What did you do, if you don't mind me asking. I can't get it to work at all on my Prophet 6. Seems like only global pitch is being taken from my Rise 49.
I haven't tried it yet, but on the OB-6 the pitch bend needs to be set in the new Global settings rather than the usual way with the wheel bend range button.
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Anybody try this yet with a Sensel Morph??
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Ah, I just give the right CC# to send from the controller (LinnStrument). D'oh!
The pitch bend range seems stuck on 1 semitone, though. Vibrato is possible, but glissandos >1 semitone don't work for me.
Also trying to set up a LinnStrument, can you please elaborate and confirm what's worked for you?
midi mode>channel per note, per note channels 2-7?
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Installed the new update, but when choosing MPE in midi channels, the pitchbend range doesn’t line up with what I selected.
Both Linnstrument & ob6 are set to a +/- 12 range.
The bend range works fine when mpe is not selected.
-edit- sorted with the global bendrange
What did you do, if you don't mind me asking. I can't get it to work at all on my Prophet 6. Seems like only global pitch is being taken from my Rise 49.
I haven't tried it yet, but on the OB-6 the pitch bend needs to be set in the new Global settings rather than the usual way with the wheel bend range button.
Press bank + global to get into the new menu
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Ah, I just give the right CC# to send from the controller (LinnStrument). D'oh!
The pitch bend range seems stuck on 1 semitone, though. Vibrato is possible, but glissandos >1 semitone don't work for me.
Also trying to set up a LinnStrument, can you please elaborate and confirm what's worked for you?
midi mode>channel per note, per note channels 2-7?
Please read earlier posts, the proper way is to use the 3rd "row" of global settings, although it is possible to send the y-axis directly via CC to OB-6s parameters. Most params give glitchiness but osc level worked ok for me (y-axis to CC77 was what I used in the video)
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Ah, I just give the right CC# to send from the controller (LinnStrument). D'oh!
The pitch bend range seems stuck on 1 semitone, though. Vibrato is possible, but glissandos >1 semitone don't work for me.
Also trying to set up a LinnStrument, can you please elaborate and confirm what's worked for you?
midi mode>channel per note, per note channels 2-7?
Please read earlier posts, the proper way is to use the 3rd "row" of global settings, although it is possible to send the y-axis directly via CC to OB-6s parameters. Most params give glitchiness but osc level worked ok for me (y-axis to CC77 was what I used in the video)
I believe I set 3rd row globals pitch range to 2 or maybe even 1 (lowest possible). Then I set pitch bend range to 48 on the Linn (the higher number on the Linn means more finger travel length per pitch change) The default settings of 2 to 24 were too aggressive. Set pitch on Linn to quant otherwise it wont return to correct note value after a slide.
I haven't had much luck using Y axis feature on the Linn for any hardware instrument control, as it seems too sensitive no matter how I set the instruments up. However, I do use poly pressure to control filter parameters on the OB6, but I do not use it for osc pitch or much else, as again, it just seems too touchy. The Linn's biggest advantage IMO is simply its ability to slide between notes and do so polyphonically. That combined with filter mod with pressure makes for some nice sounds on the OB6. As a said a few posts ago, there are a few hang up issues when using the OB6 onboard sequencer with the Linn. Eventually we'll get it routed out once issue is better defined.
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I haven't had much luck using Y axis feature on the Linn for any hardware instrument control, as it seems too sensitive no matter how I set the instruments up.
In case you don't already know, you can restrict the range of the Y-axis on the LinnStrument.
From the manual:
Hidden setting: Timbre/Y High/Low Limits
Normally the value sent for Timbre/Y has a range of 0 to 127. However, you can change the low and high limits so that the sent values will be scaled between these limits. To change these range limits, hold the On pad and the screen will display large characters. Swipe up or down to switch between the following two settings, and left or right to edit each setting’s value:
"L 0": the Low Timbre/Y limit, from 0 to 127.
"H127": the High Timbre/Y limit, from 0 to 127.
If these settings are changed from their default values of L 0 and H127, the On pad in the Per-Split Settings screen will be lit in the accent color. Note that if the high limit is lower than the low limit, the output range will be inverted.
Cheers!
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I find that subtlety is the key if I want expressiveness and the Y-axis is fantastic for this. Although changing the range on the Linnstrument is one way of limiting the modulation, won't this result in less and less resolution? Sure, it may be smoothed in the synth engine ...
I also like the y-axis for occasional emphasis, only when in the upper part of the pad. This requires control of the response curve. Although this might seem like a fussy request, it's my experience so far that these fine-tuning tweaks is what has allowed me to get some beautiful, natural sounding patches vs. wacky synth stuff. To me, this level of fine control is vital for MPE. This is why I love using modular (via FH-2) as it allows this fine tuning, via VCAs with log / lin / exp control curves and other ways to shape the CVs, (and why I'm looking forward to using the Linnstrument with the Eagan Matrix when the Osmose arrives).
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Has anybody managed to make it work with Ableton 11 Beta? It looks like it's impossible to limit the midi channels transmitted to only 2-7, which results in some voices being silent because looks like ableton just does round-robin through all the channels 1-16.
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Full MPE in OB-6 would be AMAZING
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I'm trying this with my Linnstrument in MPE mode, Z-Axis is set to channel pressure, but it seems that all held notes are reacting to the pressure from one note? For example if I hold two notes, one quite high and one low and push harder on the low note I can hear the LFO being applied to the pitch of the high note.
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Has anybody managed to make it work with Ableton 11 Beta? It looks like it's impossible to limit the midi channels transmitted to only 2-7, which results in some voices being silent because looks like ableton just does round-robin through all the channels 1-16.
I'm using a Rise49 with Ableton 11 (the only MPE capable software I have at the moment) and I'm getting lots of dropped notes unfortunately.
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Has anybody managed to make it work with Ableton 11 Beta? It looks like it's impossible to limit the midi channels transmitted to only 2-7, which results in some voices being silent because looks like ableton just does round-robin through all the channels 1-16.
I'm using a Rise49 with Ableton 11 (the only MPE capable software I have at the moment) and I'm getting lots of dropped notes unfortunately.
I'm trying to cobble together a solution by editing the 'MPE Control' plugin but I'm a Max noob. I also submitted a feature request but I'm sure Ableton sees a lot of those. Here's the thread I started in Cycling74 about it: https://cycling74.com/forums/limit-mpe-channels-for-sequential-ob-6prophet-6
FWIW, in Bitwig it's easy peasy. Put the Channel Map plugin ahead of the hardware instrument, and round-robin every channel after 7 back.
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So I've finally got around to trying the MPE in the proper way, via the 3rd row of global settings.
The filter cutoff knob and resonance knob are not doing anything and the filter seems to be fully open. Only by putting aftertouch amount to negative and routing to the filter cutoff does the filter begin to close. So the sounds (using LPF) are all blaring and bright with no way of taming them.
Anyone else have this problem?
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Hello Sequential,
Can it be possible to optimize the MPE feature accepting polychain for a 12-voice MPE experience which would be more comfortable?
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Ignore my last message about the filter knobs not doing anything. I think I must have been in global settings or something, it's fine now.
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Can any one tell me where I find the 'release notes' of the last 1.6.4 and 1.6.6 updates ? What settings to set to go in of out of MPE and in or out of Vintage mode?
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I don't have plans for this quite yet, I was aware that this limitation would allow me to push the code out a lot faster so I just went with it. If we get further adoption I may be able to take another pass at it but I can't promise anything right now
Hello Sequential,
Can it be possible to optimize the MPE feature accepting polychain for a 12-voice MPE experience which would be more comfortable?
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Ableton is aware of the problem and I am helping with some beta testing, but I'm not sure ultimately if this is something I will have to change here or something they will have to change. While the spec is designed around the controller being the 'intelligent' part of the system, I could help it along by making those changes in the instrument as well and adding another global. I just have to find the time to do it, which is a challenge! I'll update you guys when I have any new information
Has anybody managed to make it work with Ableton 11 Beta? It looks like it's impossible to limit the midi channels transmitted to only 2-7, which results in some voices being silent because looks like ableton just does round-robin through all the channels 1-16.
I'm using a Rise49 with Ableton 11 (the only MPE capable software I have at the moment) and I'm getting lots of dropped notes unfortunately.
I'm trying to cobble together a solution by editing the 'MPE Control' plugin but I'm a Max noob. I also submitted a feature request but I'm sure Ableton sees a lot of those. Here's the thread I started in Cycling74 about it: https://cycling74.com/forums/limit-mpe-channels-for-sequential-ob-6prophet-6
FWIW, in Bitwig it's easy peasy. Put the Channel Map plugin ahead of the hardware instrument, and round-robin every channel after 7 back.
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Hi, just wanted to add that I'd also support your work on rev2 and prophet x (xl in my case) Mpe through Kickstarter or whatever way is most convenient.
Cheers!
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I posted this in another thread, maybe it will help you. I followed these directions after a few frustrating hours of getting nowhere, and it worked:
I got this information from something a Sequential employee posted at GS:
"I would try updating to the synth via the bootloader. Hold WRITE while powering on. An animation will be shown on one of the screens indicating that bootloader is active. Send the OS to the synth via the MIDI IN port (USB cannot be used in bootloader mode)."
There's an extra light show near the end of the process when updating this way, so don't touch the synth for a minute or two after you reach 000 on the countdown.
Good luck, I feel your pain.
Thank you. This alternate OS loading technique worked first try using midiox, 1024 buffer speed, and a Roland UM midi interface cable.
Updated to 1.6.6. Again, had to use this alternate method.
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I'm trying this with my Linnstrument in MPE mode, Z-Axis is set to channel pressure, but it seems that all held notes are reacting to the pressure from one note? For example if I hold two notes, one quite high and one low and push harder on the low note I can hear the LFO being applied to the pitch of the high note.
I am experiencing the same problem on the Prophet-6 with my Linnstrument. Have you been able to fix this yet? If so, how?
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Don't overlook that your pressure to pitch control (on the OB6 itself) plays a role. I haven't used the MPE much on OB6 yet, except when it first came out. I know its touchy with the Linn.
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FYI Ableton Live beta 11.1b3 and beyond now support MPE Zones, which means Live can send on the channels the Sequential synths like the OB6 expect
https://www.ableton.com/en/release-notes/live-11-beta/
J
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FYI Ableton Live beta 11.1b3 and beyond now support MPE Zones, which means Live can send on the channels the Sequential synths like the OB6 expect
https://www.ableton.com/en/release-notes/live-11-beta/
J
Great ! Can't wait to trying it !
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Hello,
Trying to make OB-6 work with Roli Seaboard Block here (in MPE mode).
Most important functions work, but
I've noticed the following problems:
- OB-6 doesn't receive some midi CC-s on channels other than 1. So when mapping Seaboard's slide to CC 103 (resonance), it doesn't work, but when sending it manually (from daw) on channel 1, then it works.
But on the contrary, CC 74 (brightness) works on every channel (per note).
Could be fixed in firmware perhaps?
- OB-6 doesn't reset the pitch bend on note-ons when playing from its own keyboard together with an MPE device that bends notes. So the pitch of some voices stays off. (For example, trying to play a solo with Roli while playing chords with OB-6 itself). When playing Roli only, the pitch is correct (it resets pitch bend on note-on).
Should be easy to fix in firmware I suppose.
- Has anybody managed to connect Roli Blocks directly to OB-6? In my case it only works through a DAW.
(I even purchased a special USB-C to USB-B cable, and a USB-C midi adapter, but none of them work.)