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Title: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: Differencetone on December 17, 2018, 07:53:51 PM
I got to use this finally and I'm liking it. One thing I noticed is that some samples sound better in the PX than others do. I'm thinking I should get the editor/librarian now. Looks like I will run out of patch locations before I run out of memory.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: LoboLives on December 17, 2018, 08:29:39 PM
What programs would be best for creating samples with loop points and specified keys? I thought for sure the mapper would have had this ability.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: Differencetone on December 18, 2018, 04:26:18 PM
I would like to know also, still this greatly expands the possibilities. I would be willing to pay for a program which does more than this though....

What programs would be best for creating samples with loop points and specified keys? I thought for sure the mapper would have had this ability.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: Igglethorpe on December 18, 2018, 08:21:06 PM
What programs would be best for creating samples with loop points and specified keys? I thought for sure the mapper would have had this ability.

I too would like thoughts on this. I was hoping for something far more comprehensive.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: johnts on December 19, 2018, 01:37:14 PM
What programs would be best for creating samples with loop points and specified keys? I thought for sure the mapper would have had this ability.

What about Sample Robot, maybe this would cover these requirements?
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: mildwest on December 19, 2018, 04:02:28 PM
What programs would be best for creating samples with loop points and specified keys? I thought for sure the mapper would have had this ability.

What about Sample Robot, maybe this would cover these requirements?

If you have a Mac, Appleís main stage app is a super cheap way to sample hardware. They bought auto sampler and incorporated it into their product. Itís $30. Great deal plus you get a bunch of killer VA instruments too.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: LoboLives on December 19, 2018, 10:43:43 PM
What programs would be best for creating samples with loop points and specified keys? I thought for sure the mapper would have had this ability.

I too would like thoughts on this. I was hoping for something far more comprehensive.

Fingers crossed the final edition of the PX editing/import/mapper offers this. Should be simple, just have the same sample edit screen that you have on the PX itself so that way you can determine the size, Center, start, end, and loop type, etc on each sample you import.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: laurentluigi on December 20, 2018, 12:39:11 AM
Sorry guys...but...
a question...
I'm using a PC.
Each time I try to put in the utility sample a .wav folder, it skip it and nothing....
does someone has a trick for me?
I'm f.. lost at this time.
The dream of putting my sample in the Px is close but so far.........!!!!!!!
Please help me !!!!
(I'm waiting the 8dio answer but here...it's more reactive!)
Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: Proton on December 20, 2018, 02:18:54 AM
Sorry guys...but...
a question...
I'm using a PC.
Each time I try to put in the utility sample a .wav folder, it skip it and nothing....
does someone has a trick for me?
I'm f.. lost at this time.
The dream of putting my sample in the Px is close but so far.........!!!!!!!
Please help me !!!!
(I'm waiting the 8dio answer but here...it's more reactive!)
Thanks in advance.

make sure the sample is WAV 16bit/48khz ... other wise the utility will skip
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: laurentluigi on December 20, 2018, 03:50:52 AM
Hello,
I check this tonight !
Thanks a lot!!!
Otherwise, I will check to convert them in 16bit/48khz...
 
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: REwire on December 20, 2018, 10:20:52 AM
The mapping layout needs to be zoom-able  Hard to position, see names and move samples easy when its so small all the time
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: laurentluigi on December 22, 2018, 09:54:59 AM
Hello,
For the moment.... Nothing works...
It skip me all the samples....
It would ne Nice to have a converter included.....
That's my request!!!
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: genetic92 on December 23, 2018, 10:59:03 AM
I got to use this finally and I'm liking it. One thing I noticed is that some samples sound better in the PX than others do. I'm thinking I should get the editor/librarian now. Looks like I will run out of patch locations before I run out of memory.

the Beta is very basic. It works for me for simple sample patches. But if you really want to dive in deep and work with Velocity layers & Round Robins, the Sample Editor is seriously lacking. At the moment there is no support, and 8DIO didn't clarity if this feature will be supported in the finished sample editor.

I find it very frustrating that 8DIO lack of communication about what the sample editor will eventually become, and which features they are working on.

I think it's a slap in the face for Prophet X owners if they don't include round robins and velocity mapping at all in future editions.

I like Sequential, but 8DIO has been not so stellar in their communication and deadlines etc. I think they are becoming quite unreliable as a company.



Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: Razmo on December 23, 2018, 02:01:32 PM
And again it seems, that Sequential puts their trust on sample-import to third party developers... I really thought they had learned something from the Tempest mistake... this certainly delays any and all thoughts about a Prophet X on my part in the future, until I've seen 8DIO deliver the software that will make EVERYTHING available to the user... if this will not be the case, it stinks of profit mongering by 8DIO...

It was promised to be a release in december... now it's almost january, and all you get is a beta, without any promise on dates for a full working release, if any... I'm beginning to wonder, if this is a tactical decision by 8DIO to get their own banks sold... you certainly have to wonder.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: Razmo on December 23, 2018, 02:10:15 PM
Maybe Prophet X will end up being a ROM'pler anyway then  ;D
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: LoboLives on December 23, 2018, 02:48:14 PM
I havenít tried the BETA yet but I got some ideas for some samples myself. I still have to update to the latest firmware anyway. As for it taking longer than scheduled...I have patience...Iíd much rather them take their time and get some user feedback than rush out a software that might potentially wreck a $5k investment. For now, I can work around things and it hasnít affected my work negativity.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: laurentluigi on December 24, 2018, 12:27:39 AM
It seems That 8Dio have released This Utility Software in hurry....
Commercially, they told us "end of 2018"....
 So they released it!!!
Let's hope they listen to all the commentaries and fix it for "beginning 2019....."
I'm a rookie in computers, I'm a old school analog guy!!!
 This keyboard is fantastic, possibilities are almost infinite, but when i imagine putting my own sample inside.... I become mad!!!!
For two reasons:
1)it will be infinitely infinite !!!!😵
2)nothing works on my computer.....
. The soft skip all my samples....😞

By the way....

Merry Christmas to everyone 🎄
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: Differencetone on December 25, 2018, 12:23:23 PM
It's better than nothing as far as I'm concerned, better it's released now than later because I'm getting ready for a show soon.

I'm finding that my percussive samples sound better. I have always thought that the percussion in this instrument sounds best for some reason. Not sure why...


It seems That 8Dio have released This Utility Software in hurry....
Commercially, they told us "end of 2018"....
 So they released it!!!
Let's hope they listen to all the commentaries and fix it for "beginning 2019....."
I'm a rookie in computers, I'm a old school analog guy!!!
 This keyboard is fantastic, possibilities are almost infinite, but when i imagine putting my own sample inside.... I become mad!!!!
For two reasons:
1)it will be infinitely infinite !!!!😵
2)nothing works on my computer.....
. The soft skip all my samples....😞

By the way....

Merry Christmas to everyone 🎄
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: drxcm on February 23, 2019, 09:34:36 PM
Anyone been in touch with 8DIO or Sequential about this?
Is there a development timeline?
When will the software come out of Beta?

The lack of info / progress is somewhat disappointing.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: laurentluigi on February 23, 2019, 11:21:27 PM
Hello,
I've ask them few time but they told me to ask Sequential....!!!
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: Robot Heart on February 25, 2019, 03:49:32 PM
8dio is 100% in control of the software import tool, so it's puzzling that they would tell you to contact us. They will have any and all information regarding future releases since they own it.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: mildwest on February 25, 2019, 05:47:12 PM
8dio is 100% in control of the software import tool, so it's puzzling that they would tell you to contact us. They will have any and all information regarding future releases since they own it.
#Partnerships
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: drxcm on February 27, 2019, 02:11:45 AM
8dio is 100% in control of the software import tool, so it's puzzling that they would tell you to contact us. They will have any and all information regarding future releases since they own it.

Currently, the buggy and incomplete beta tool isn't what users had reasonably expected at this time point.
8dio are telling customers to contact Sequential about it.
And Sequential are saying 'it's got nothing to do with us'.

That's not really an acceptable situation!
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: blewis on February 27, 2019, 05:44:04 AM
Currently, the buggy and incomplete beta tool isn't what users had reasonably expected at this time point.

I was okay with the beta state in December. However, weíre coming up on March and not a peep from 8DIO. 8DIO didnít even bother to respond to me asking if they planned to add velocity switching and round robin.

I hope Sequential has negotiated timelines with these guys.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: laurentluigi on February 27, 2019, 06:54:03 AM
You're right.
It's a un-commercial state of mind...
If the soft is released with everything in it, no one will buy the next Adds on anymore....

that's the paradox...!!!
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: Shaw on February 27, 2019, 02:26:53 PM
You're right.
It's a un-commercial state of mind...
If the soft is released with everything in it, no one will buy the next Adds on anymore....

that's the paradox...!!!
Iím not sure Iíd agree with that... the Last Prophet Add-on was very well done and decently priced.  Having the software finished wouldnít change my interest in the Add-Ons... I donít have access to Daveís personal Prophet 5 for example.


That being said, I agree that 8dio couldnít be handling this any worse.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: drxcm on February 27, 2019, 02:53:25 PM
I too would still buy add-on packs even if the user sample software worked.
The problem is 3rd parties can't make any 'full featured' packs right now - so this may still be a commercially motivated decision.

It's really poor form.  Hopefully they become aware of this thread and do something to make it right before their reputation is further affected.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: laurentluigi on February 28, 2019, 01:24:43 AM
You're right about the Prophet 5 Add.
A very good stuff.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: Razmo on March 07, 2019, 09:53:05 AM
8dio is 100% in control of the software import tool, so it's puzzling that they would tell you to contact us. They will have any and all information regarding future releases since they own it.

And you guys claim that you "learned from the TEMPEST mistake" !?

Now I have to ask this: Do you have anything at all to say about the release of a full (and i mean FULL, as in all features included, and FREE!) sample import utility? ... it seems that anyone at Sequential are very silent about the sample import tool, and i would REALLY like to know before I buy a Prophet X, if I will be GUARANTEED to get a fully featured sample import utility to use with the Prophet X?
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: laurentluigi on March 08, 2019, 07:45:40 AM
Maybe we could join forces...
One mail per day per person to ask....
We'll maybe get an quick answer and maybe more!
It's typically French ... but it works !!!!!!
;)
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: Razmo on March 09, 2019, 02:22:10 PM
8dio is 100% in control of the software import tool, so it's puzzling that they would tell you to contact us. They will have any and all information regarding future releases since they own it.

And you guys claim that you "learned from the TEMPEST mistake" !?

Now I have to ask this: Do you have anything at all to say about the release of a full (and i mean FULL, as in all features included, and FREE!) sample import utility? ... it seems that anyone at Sequential are very silent about the sample import tool, and i would REALLY like to know before I buy a Prophet X, if I will be GUARANTEED to get a fully featured sample import utility to use with the Prophet X?

I wonder how long it will take to actually get a reasonable answer to this question... I do not get why we get all that silence regarding this sample import utility... the features that are missing currently are some features i will not be able to live without if I ever get a Prophet X... I'd REALLY like to get a straight answer to this... Is the sample import app beyond Sequentials influence? ... will it be solely 8DIO who decides weather or not the users get a crippled version, or a full featured version?

I really do not think that my question is at all unfair...
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: Razmo on March 09, 2019, 02:24:16 PM
Would it be completely impossible for DSI to release the information needed for third party developers to create a sample import utility as well? ... or have they signed the rights to such an app solely for 8DIO?
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: blewis on March 09, 2019, 02:27:04 PM
It sorta feels like a service was contracted out to someone who contracted out and the real developer has disappeared. Itís pretty common. That could explain the ďdonít say anything until we have a handle on itĒ.

100% unfounded speculation on my part. But thatís what silence creates.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: Proton on March 10, 2019, 03:05:41 AM
Would it be completely impossible for DSI to release the information needed for third party developers to create a sample import utility as well? ... or have they signed the rights to such an app solely for 8DIO?

good question
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: johnts on March 10, 2019, 11:40:21 AM

At the moment the whole situation with 8dio not delivering sample packs and releasing a sample import tool that is hard to even call beta level I find astonishing. Only two very average sample packs released since the PX announce date in 2108 and here we are now in March 2019 zero sample packs and zero communication, again astonishing. The Prophet X is a great product with hugh potential, it's shameful that 8dio risk tarnishing it's reputation. I really cannot believe the Dave Smith can be happy with this situation.

8dio I think it's time to put up or shut up and let someone else do this work!
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: composerjk on March 12, 2019, 12:08:10 PM
I managed to load velocity layers with round robin samples per layer onto the Prophet X/XL. It's early proof of concept code, with some manual editing involved. The code still needs to be refactored, some features added, and cleaned up before it's useable for a reasonable workflow and by others, but it's a start. Here's a quick Instagram video demoing the layers loaded with 4 WAV files (2 velocity layers with 2 samples each for round robining of each layer). [Note: this is using my code, not the official Sample Mapping Utility.]

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bu5NKidl-Ib/
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: mildwest on March 12, 2019, 02:58:32 PM
I managed to load velocity layers with round robin samples per layer onto the Prophet X/XL. It's early proof of concept code, with some manual editing involved. The code still needs to be refactored, some features added, and cleaned up before it's useable for a reasonable workflow and by others, but it's a start. Here's a quick Instagram video demoing the layers loaded with 4 WAV files (2 velocity layers with 2 samples each for round robining of each layer). [Note: this is using my code, not the official Sample Mapping Utility.]

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bu5NKidl-Ib/

Cool!
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: Lady Gaia on March 12, 2019, 05:50:11 PM
I managed to load velocity layers with round robin samples per layer onto the Prophet X/XL. It's early proof of concept code, with some manual editing involved. The code still needs to be refactored, some features added, and cleaned up before it's useable for a reasonable workflow and by others, but it's a start. Here's a quick Instagram video demoing the layers loaded with 4 WAV files (2 velocity layers with 2 samples each for round robining of each layer). [Note: this is using my code, not the official Sample Mapping Utility.]

Youíre not alone!  Iíve been doing likewise for months.  The trickier part is doing so in a way that Sequential and 8Dio will be happy with, and thatís something Iíve written numerous lengthy messages to the nice folks at Sequential about.  I think itís fair to say theyíre definitely aware of the interest.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: Proton on March 14, 2019, 06:51:15 AM
Iīve got a reply from 8Dio regarding the mapping utility


"Thank you for contacting our support.

We have a lot of libraries planned for the Prophet X coming up; our development team is working on the application for the Mapping Utility, we are unable to reveal future packs/releases at this time. Keep an eye on your newsletter as we will be releasing more information soon.

Please let us know if you have any questions and we will be happy to assist.

8Dio Support."
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: Shaw on March 14, 2019, 07:04:59 AM
Totally useless
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: laurentluigi on March 14, 2019, 07:12:44 AM
I've read :
"blah blah blah,

blah blah blah blah, blah blah.

blah blah."

 :-X
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: Razmo on March 14, 2019, 07:19:47 AM
I simply cannot understand why Sequential will accept this kind of response... they promised the X users that a sample import utility would be available in december last year... instead they get a crippled, bug-laden beta, and any questions about when a working full-featured version is available is answered with this kind of rubbish!

Honestly Sequential... do something about this! ... it is slowly beginning to piss off users... personally I'm warning people around the net when they are asking about the Prophet X, telling them the truth about the import utility so that they know what they are going into, and I'll continue doing so until there is a clear answer on this matter... you cannot treat customers this way!
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: Shaw on March 14, 2019, 08:26:14 AM
... it is slowly beginning to piss off users...
Nah... we passed "pissed off" a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: Razmo on March 14, 2019, 08:28:10 AM
... it is slowly beginning to piss off users...
Nah... we passed "pissed off" a few weeks ago.

I certainly hope you're still pissed off... never accept somthing like this... it's arrogance on behalf of Sequential to keep being quiet
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: Robot Heart on March 14, 2019, 12:32:25 PM
We don't have anything to add at this time other than what's already been said. It's a partnership and under the current agreement we don't control the sample import software, so it's more complicated than simply reacting to "do something to fix it right now!!"

Your patience is appreciated while we navigate this part of the Prophet X's future, we are not ignoring you.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: Shaw on March 14, 2019, 12:42:11 PM
We don't have anything to add at this time other than what's already been said. It's a partnership and under the current agreement we don't control the sample import software, so it's more complicated than simply reacting to "do something to fix it right now!!"

Your patience is appreciated while we navigate this part of the Prophet X's future, we are not ignoring you.
How about instructions on creating velocity layers and round robins (see above) without depending on 8dio.  That would go a long way toward making most of us happy. 


This isn't a "do something to fix it right now!!" scenario.
This is a "you're not living up to statements made about a products use when advertising it" scenario.
Big difference.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: Robot Heart on March 14, 2019, 01:03:48 PM
Again, we're working on it. So far sample import is there. Yes, it's not perfect, but it does work. There are a couple of forum members that have created workarounds for the current implementation, so obviously it is possible to do what you want.

However, navigating a solution on the backend takes time when two companies are involved, which unfortunately isn't necessarily how long you or I want it to take, but that's the reality of it.

To reiterate, we have every intention of supporting our product.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: Razmo on March 14, 2019, 02:10:02 PM
This is really vague... It is a very simple question you are asked... Will you make sure a full featured sample import utility is released... You can easily answer that... There are three possible answers:

1. Yes
2. No
3. We do not know

I interpret you current answer as number 3... And that is not good enough. You say that there is a sample import tool now, as if this lives up to what you promised in december... That is a really bad way to try and run from what you must have known the users would have thought this utility to be... How on earth can you think that people would be satisfied with a crippled piece of utility kit!?

I do not know what has gone wrong here, but I cannot believe that this was Sequential's initial goal for this superb samplersynth... And I cannot understand why you would want to keep your customers in the dark like this... I like your products, but sometimes you just act really weird when it comes to customer support... What does it hurt to reveal what is going on? Are you afraid it will hurt sales? What do you think happens to future sales when people get tricked like this?

It is now the second time that you release a product with future additions promised... Both times have proven to give problems... Maybe this will be the last time... I certainly hope so!
Title: Re: Your thoughts on Sample Import Tool (first Beta)
Post by: Robot Heart on March 14, 2019, 02:19:37 PM
We're not keeping anybody in the dark. If you reread what I said, we have an agreement with another company that is handing the sample import utility at this time. It is going to take some time for us to move forward, and there are multiple outcomes depending on which variables do what, some of which are out of our control.

We've beat this topic to death, so it's done.

Again, please be patient. We're moving as quickly as we can. We want the best for the Prophet X and we will operate under that protocol.