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SEQUENTIAL/DSI => Prophet => Prophet Rev2 => Topic started by: Razmo on August 15, 2018, 07:32:00 AM
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http://razmo.ziphoid.com/BankSounds.mp3
The 44 minutes long demo above holds all the 44 presets I've been doing over the last two months.
I'm posting it here to showcase that the REV2 is not just a simple "Brass synth", which I have read on occation on some fecebook synthesizer groups... I find it hard to find good demos of synths that showcase Ambient/Fantasy/Pads presets, so I thought I'd post this in response to that observation.
It's just live playing (so don't expect anything serious, it's only meant to showcase the sounds)... everything is played thru a Valhalla - Übermod plugin for that extra Ambient feeling, but other than that, just REV2. Everyone uses external FX anyway with most synths.
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http://razmo.ziphoid.com/BankSounds.mp3
The 44 minutes long demo above holds all the 44 presets I've been doing over the last two months.
I'm posting it here to showcase that the REV2 is not just a simple "Brass synth", which I have read on occation on some fecebook synthesizer groups... I find it hard to find good demos of synths that showcase Ambient/Fantasy/Pads presets, so I thought I'd post this in response to that observation.
It's just live playing (so don't expect anything serious, it's only meant to showcase the sounds)... everything is played thru a Valhalla - Übermod plugin for that extra Ambient feeling, but other than that, just REV2. Everyone uses external FX anyway with most synths.
Great stuff :) Have you thought about selling your patches ?
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Thank you Razmo. I will have a listen later.
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Very beautiful stuff man. Well done. I honestly don’t understand how anyone could spend anything remotely resembling a reasonable amount of time with a Rev 2 and then dismiss it like that. It is so incredibly flexible. I don’t think I’ve even made a brass patch with the thing :)
Also. Not sure if fecebook was an unintentional typo haha. It sums up the entire entity pretty well though.
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http://razmo.ziphoid.com/BankSounds.mp3
The 44 minutes long demo above holds all the 44 presets I've been doing over the last two months.
I'm posting it here to showcase that the REV2 is not just a simple "Brass synth", which I have read on occation on some fecebook synthesizer groups... I find it hard to find good demos of synths that showcase Ambient/Fantasy/Pads presets, so I thought I'd post this in response to that observation.
It's just live playing (so don't expect anything serious, it's only meant to showcase the sounds)... everything is played thru a Valhalla - Übermod plugin for that extra Ambient feeling, but other than that, just REV2. Everyone uses external FX anyway with most synths.
Great stuff :) Have you thought about selling your patches ?
Yes... i actually have... but I decided when I started, that the first bank would be free, simply to see the reaktion first... but it will probably be more like free for personal use, and pay if it will be used commercially... time will tell :) ... i still have 84 more programs to do first :D ... I'm extremely perfectionistic by nature, so I'm revisiting the programs several times... so it takes some time for these to be finished.
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I really loved the demo track! I would also be interested in purchasing these sounds.
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Good job, really nice sounds. I guess you used the mod matrix a lot?
Nice gesture sharing this bank for free. I hope it will be ready before Christmas :)
The only weak side I have found on Rev2 is the bass sounds (as on many poly synthesizers) but that is not a problem anymore after purchasing a Toraiz AS-1. They really complement each other and are both really great instruments.
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Some great pads in there! Lots of interesting depth and motion. I too would be interested in a bank (or partial bank) like this.
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Preach it!
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You have created some excellent patches. Very organic, beautiful and atmospheric.
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Thanks for the compliments... :)
Yes... I almost use up all ModMatrix slots on most programs... modulation is the key to complex and evolving sounds, especially when you are dealing with an analog synth that only has the most basic waveforms. One would probably think that with the new Shape parameter, that more sounds are possible from the oscillators, but I rarely use them to be honest, as i find that they all sound more or less like PWM... it's not like if you chose from a wavetable.
The key to these programs are MODULATION... it's that simple... for them to constantly evolve or change you need to work the physical controllers a lot... I usually let the ModWheel change a parameter that needs a static setting, as this control is not really usable as a live control unless the sound is monophonic (you'd need one hand on the ModWheel to use it)... Foot Pedal and Aftertouch is used for changing parameters in polyphonic sounds that need change while you are playing with both hands (pads usually)... Aftertouch is usually Vibrato since I cannot find another use for it as aftertouch is harder to fine control... Pitch Wheel is usually just pitch shifting as per standard, or in rare cases a modulation source for live pan positioning.
But all the magic is from modulating stuff while you play... changing speeds, rates, cutoffs, Mix/FX parameters etc... this is what makes up for the limits in the analog oscillators.
What do i miss on the REV2? ... not much really... I'd wish that the HiPass filter had been a per voice analog version, instead of a global FX... Also I'd have liked for the RingMod FX to be a per voice FX... and I'd also had liked if DSI had decided to include the filter feedback parameter like it was on the TETRA... and even if it's not possible because of the Curtis chip; that both oscillators had it's own separate volume parameter... a more hi quality, and denser/longer reverb would not have been bad either.
Most of the things I miss I will deal with, simply by adding a Prophet 12 at some point, and the lack of recorded samples I'll fix by getting a Prophet X at some point.
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Hard to think it could be from a rev2 on a bind test ! Custom banks are usualy so focused on '' flashy sounds''......Brass sounds like !
An ambient / chill out pack is welcome.
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I do really like the REV2. I was not impressed in the beginning but now that I'm exploring all capabilities more (also because of your tips) I'm getting more and more impressed.
I hardly save a preset so everything is something new to me :-)
On effects: I do run the REV2 and the Sub Phatty through a Boss RV-500. Amazing!!!
When I play with the sub phatty for a while I do find the REV2 a bit thin but that is a luxury problem!!!
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Hard to think it could be from a rev2 on a bind test ! Custom banks are usualy so focused on '' flashy sounds''......Brass sounds like !
An ambient / chill out pack is welcome.
This is actually what I find most hard these days... finding these types of programs... that's why i have to do them myself... everything is more dance-minded when it comes to factory programs, no matter what synthesizer...
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The demo is amazing. I wonder how you got some sounds. I would almost ask for the patches but I'll first challenge myself.
The pad at about 5:20 is probably a stacks of 2 patched slightly detuned. And some chorus. Amazing pad!!
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I do really like the REV2. I was not impressed in the beginning but now that I'm exploring all capabilities more (also because of your tips) I'm getting more and more impressed.
I hardly save a preset so everything is something new to me :-)
On effects: I do run the REV2 and the Sub Phatty through a Boss RV-500. Amazing!!!
When I play with the sub phatty for a while I do find the REV2 a bit thin but that is a luxury problem!!!
Yes... under normal circumstances, the Curtis chips sound "thin"... or rather just neutral more or less... people like the MOOG bass a lot, which is understandable, but the REV2 can make just as much bass as any other synth, you just have to work for it, and use some not so obvious tricks to get them... i think the reason for MOOGs to be so popular is because the way the oscillators and filter are made, it emphasize the bottom end much more than a neutral analog synth... this means that making cool bass sounds is probably easier and more intuitive... it just sounds bassy and cool when you do the basic programming stuff... but try to mix several sounds from a MOOG synth and you would probably run into a problem with a crowded low-end because all sounds have a very present bottom end and low mids... I'd take a MOOG any day for doing bass stuff... but I'd use other more neutral synths for other sounds... maybe a MOOG lead sound would be nice too, but as MOOGs are mostly monophonic, that is about what they can do best anyway :)
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The demo is amazing. I wonder how you got some sounds. I would almost ask for the patches but I'll first challenge myself.
The pad at about 5:20 is probably a stacks of 2 patched slightly detuned. And some chorus. Amazing pad!!
The sound at 5:20 is actually a bellsound... but yes, it's a stacked program... one doing the bell sound, the other is a metallised version of layer A, put thru a reverb 100% wet... gives it a rather D50'ish type of sound actually... The interresting sounds often come when using both layers in clever ways... I try to create most of the pad sounds on a single layer though... simply to give 16voice polyphony, especially on sounds with long release times to avoid voice stealing... I think that of all the pad sounds in the demo one or two are in stacked mode... the rest use only one layer.
Patches will be out for free when I'm finished with them, which will probably be sometime around December :) ... free for personal use, but paid if to be used commercially.
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http://razmo.ziphoid.com/BankSounds.mp3
The 44 minutes long demo above holds all the 44 presets I've been doing over the last two months.
I'm posting it here to showcase that the REV2 is not just a simple "Brass synth", which I have read on occation on some fecebook synthesizer groups... I find it hard to find good demos of synths that showcase Ambient/Fantasy/Pads presets, so I thought I'd post this in response to that observation.
It's just live playing (so don't expect anything serious, it's only meant to showcase the sounds)... everything is played thru a Valhalla - Übermod plugin for that extra Ambient feeling, but other than that, just REV2. Everyone uses external FX anyway with most synths.
These are great sounds, so many good ones. Great job!
My favourites are:
6.26 Bell-ish sounds.
10.06 that nasty bass is amazing and I’d totally buy the pack just for that if I owned a Rev 2.
16.35 The rain/water in cave sounds
27.02 Eerie pad
35.58 bass arp
36.18 (is this the same as above but modulated or is it a distinct patch?)
40.19 convincing Irish whistle
By the way, was it you who did the 4 elements sounds. I was trying to listen to the fire one again to show my daughter and it wouldn’t load. If it was yours, could you please reupload a working link. Thanks.
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I do really like the REV2. I was not impressed in the beginning but now that I'm exploring all capabilities more (also because of your tips) I'm getting more and more impressed.
I hardly save a preset so everything is something new to me :-)
On effects: I do run the REV2 and the Sub Phatty through a Boss RV-500. Amazing!!!
When I play with the sub phatty for a while I do find the REV2 a bit thin but that is a luxury problem!!!
Yes... under normal circumstances, the Curtis chips sound "thin"... or rather just neutral more or less... people like the MOOG bass a lot, which is understandable, but the REV2 can make just as much bass as any other synth, you just have to work for it, and use some not so obvious tricks to get them... i think the reason for MOOGs to be so popular is because the way the oscillators and filter are made, it emphasize the bottom end much more than a neutral analog synth... this means that making cool bass sounds is probably easier and more intuitive... it just sounds bassy and cool when you do the basic programming stuff... but try to mix several sounds from a MOOG synth and you would probably run into a problem with a crowded low-end because all sounds have a very present bottom end and low mids... I'd take a MOOG any day for doing bass stuff... but I'd use other more neutral synths for other sounds... maybe a MOOG lead sound would be nice too, but as MOOGs are mostly monophonic, that is about what they can do best anyway :)
Yes, Moogs have a lot of low-end but not necessary. I bought the Sub for bass but I use it also for sequencing (Berlin style), leads and just melodies. The oscillators alone already sound beautiful. And PWM (or just WM because you go through all the wave forms) is just amazingly rich. It looks like a simple monophonic synth but it as such an versatile beast.
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http://razmo.ziphoid.com/BankSounds.mp3
The 44 minutes long demo above holds all the 44 presets I've been doing over the last two months.
I'm posting it here to showcase that the REV2 is not just a simple "Brass synth", which I have read on occation on some fecebook synthesizer groups... I find it hard to find good demos of synths that showcase Ambient/Fantasy/Pads presets, so I thought I'd post this in response to that observation.
It's just live playing (so don't expect anything serious, it's only meant to showcase the sounds)... everything is played thru a Valhalla - Übermod plugin for that extra Ambient feeling, but other than that, just REV2. Everyone uses external FX anyway with most synths.
These are great sounds, so many good ones. Great job!
My favourites are:
6.26 Bell-ish sounds.
10.06 that nasty bass is amazing and I’d totally buy the pack just for that if I owned a Rev 2.
16.35 The rain/water in cave sounds
27.02 Eerie pad
35.58 bass arp
36.18 (is this the same as above but modulated or is it a distinct patch?)
40.19 convincing Irish whistle
By the way, was it you who did the 4 elements sounds. I was trying to listen to the fire one again to show my daughter and it wouldn’t load. If it was yours, could you please reupload a working link. Thanks.
The sound at 36.18 is not a modified version... in fact i start all programs from scratch in 99% of the time.
and yes... it was I who did that fire-sound as well... but I'm not fully satisfied with it yet, so I am to go back and re-edit it at some time... I'll upload all the demo's again so that they'll work again...
EDIT: old links to demo's in my blog should be up again now...
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http://razmo.ziphoid.com/BankSounds.mp3
The 44 minutes long demo above holds all the 44 presets I've been doing over the last two months.
I'm posting it here to showcase that the REV2 is not just a simple "Brass synth", which I have read on occation on some fecebook synthesizer groups... I find it hard to find good demos of synths that showcase Ambient/Fantasy/Pads presets, so I thought I'd post this in response to that observation.
It's just live playing (so don't expect anything serious, it's only meant to showcase the sounds)... everything is played thru a Valhalla - Übermod plugin for that extra Ambient feeling, but other than that, just REV2. Everyone uses external FX anyway with most synths.
These are great sounds, so many good ones. Great job!
My favourites are:
6.26 Bell-ish sounds.
10.06 that nasty bass is amazing and I’d totally buy the pack just for that if I owned a Rev 2.
16.35 The rain/water in cave sounds
27.02 Eerie pad
35.58 bass arp
36.18 (is this the same as above but modulated or is it a distinct patch?)
40.19 convincing Irish whistle
By the way, was it you who did the 4 elements sounds. I was trying to listen to the fire one again to show my daughter and it wouldn’t load. If it was yours, could you please reupload a working link. Thanks.
The sound at 36.18 is not a modified version... in fact i start all programs from scratch in 99% of the time.
and yes... it was I who did that fire-sound as well... but I'm not fully satisfied with it yet, so I am to go back and re-edit it at some time... I'll upload all the demo's again so that they'll work again...
EDIT: old links to demo's in my blog should be up again now...
Where is your blog?
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beautiful sounds there!
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http://razmo.ziphoid.com/BankSounds.mp3
The 44 minutes long demo above holds all the 44 presets I've been doing over the last two months.
I'm posting it here to showcase that the REV2 is not just a simple "Brass synth", which I have read on occation on some fecebook synthesizer groups... I find it hard to find good demos of synths that showcase Ambient/Fantasy/Pads presets, so I thought I'd post this in response to that observation.
It's just live playing (so don't expect anything serious, it's only meant to showcase the sounds)... everything is played thru a Valhalla - Übermod plugin for that extra Ambient feeling, but other than that, just REV2. Everyone uses external FX anyway with most synths.
These are great sounds, so many good ones. Great job!
My favourites are:
6.26 Bell-ish sounds.
10.06 that nasty bass is amazing and I’d totally buy the pack just for that if I owned a Rev 2.
16.35 The rain/water in cave sounds
27.02 Eerie pad
35.58 bass arp
36.18 (is this the same as above but modulated or is it a distinct patch?)
40.19 convincing Irish whistle
By the way, was it you who did the 4 elements sounds. I was trying to listen to the fire one again to show my daughter and it wouldn’t load. If it was yours, could you please reupload a working link. Thanks.
The sound at 36.18 is not a modified version... in fact i start all programs from scratch in 99% of the time.
and yes... it was I who did that fire-sound as well... but I'm not fully satisfied with it yet, so I am to go back and re-edit it at some time... I'll upload all the demo's again so that they'll work again...
EDIT: old links to demo's in my blog should be up again now...
Where is your blog?
It's located here: https://forum.davesmithinstruments.com/index.php/topic,58.0.html
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Thanks for the compliments... :)
Yes... I almost use up all ModMatrix slots on most programs... modulation is the key to complex and evolving sounds especially when you are dealing with an analog synth that only has the most basic waveforms.
This is why I roll my eyes every time someone compares the Rev2 to the OB-6 or P6 and says "You don't need all of the modulation on the OB-6 or P6 to make it sound good." It's like saying you don't need a filter or square waves; I mean, you don't--unless you want to make patches with filters and square waves!
One would probably think that with the new Shape parameter, that more sounds are possible from the oscillators, but I rarely use them to be honest, as i find that they all sound more or less like PWM... it's not like if you chose from a wavetable.
The shape control might be somewhat limited but can be really interesting for nuanced patches--especially atmospheric ones like you've made. For example route Noise to Shape at 20-30 for some lovely buzzy shapes, Route a gated seq to Shape and set the mode to Key Step so each new key hit is a slightly different shape. Route Audio Out to Shape to let the sound influence itself! Combine various modulations and get shapes like the one attached! But I also find the the control useful for dialing in the shape just so--finding a slightly more hollow triangle or what seems like phase reversing the saw.
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A lot of people misunderstand or under utilize some of the Rev 2's functions. The AudioMod for the filter being one of the more important ones when trying to break out of the ordinary-- and it's not just for making bells or noisy sounds, either.
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This is a great demo Razmo. You pulled some stuff out of there I've yet to hear in any demo or patch bank. Hard to believe this thing in front of me is capable of making some of those sounds. Well done!
It definitely highlights how I'm totally one of in those misunderstanding/under-utilizing this thing. But I'm trying to dig in. It's still a pretty new addition and I'm used to simpler synths.
The only weak side I have found on Rev2 is the bass sounds (as on many poly synthesizers) but that is not a problem anymore after purchasing a Toraiz AS-1. They really complement each other and are both really great instruments.
Absolutely. I did the same after finally deciding on a REV2 over a P6. Seemed like a better solution - all the possibilities of a REV2 and it's 61 note keyboard, while still retaining a piece of what makes the P6 great.
I struggled at first with the multimode in-only limitation. It would be great if you could split the midi channel going out like you can coming in. I guess that's more of a "there's 2 synth engines not 2 keyboard zones" thing, but I wonder if it couldn't be implemented in a firmware update. Seems like DSI isn't really interested in that though, from what I've gathered in some other threads.
For now, I just pop the AS-1 into low note priority and let it fill in the bass register. With the right combo of patches (and a steady hand on a low note) it'll sound fantastic.
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Thanks for the compliments... :)
Yes... I almost use up all ModMatrix slots on most programs... modulation is the key to complex and evolving sounds especially when you are dealing with an analog synth that only has the most basic waveforms.
This is why I roll my eyes every time someone compares the Rev2 to the OB-6 or P6 and says "You don't need all of the modulation on the OB-6 or P6 to make it sound good." It's like saying you don't need a filter or square waves; I mean, you don't--unless you want to make patches with filters and square waves!
One would probably think that with the new Shape parameter, that more sounds are possible from the oscillators, but I rarely use them to be honest, as i find that they all sound more or less like PWM... it's not like if you chose from a wavetable.
The shape control might be somewhat limited but can be really interesting for nuanced patches--especially atmospheric ones like you've made. For example route Noise to Shape at 20-30 for some lovely buzzy shapes, Route a gated seq to Shape and set the mode to Key Step so each new key hit is a slightly different shape. Route Audio Out to Shape to let the sound influence itself! Combine various modulations and get shapes like the one attached! But I also find the the control useful for dialing in the shape just so--finding a slightly more hollow triangle or what seems like phase reversing the saw.
Utilizing the ModMatrix to do modulation takes a bit more understanding of how to do the modulations, than just the usual subtractive stuff that everyone knows how to use... i think that is why many say that the P6 or OB6 is as capable, because if you only use the normal subtractive stuff, and do not dig into the ModMatrix, then you will certainly end up with just a "16 voice P6 like synth"... Understanding the ModMatrix and how it works is not rocket science though... everyone understand the source, amount and destination scheme, but the secrets lies in understand what to modulate and how... this is something you have to learn like any other skill... it's sound design skills that is needed to get more out of the REV2, and other deep synths like the Prophet 12 and X.
I'm certain that I'll find a use for the shape parameter... I've just not really digged into that yet... I'm far from exploiting all the aspects of the REV2... far from it actually... i tend to take one step at a time... another thing I've not been using a lot yet, which will certainly open up a lot af cool modulations is the gated sequencer... it's used only on two of the 44 programs. But I'm sure the shape parameter will be useful in the future, especially when I start using it in combination with frequency modulation of the filter (AudioMod) and the like, and of course the "Audio Out" Modulation destination which I still have to explore a bit to find it's uses.
But all in all... there are no analog polysynths out there yet, that boast the same kind of deep modulation and flexibility as the REV2... there are some hybrid contestants like the Prophet X, Prophet 12, Poly Evolver and PEAK... I think the only other that is close must be the Behringer DeepMind12, but this has no dual layers... instead it has a much better FX section than the REV2.
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A lot of people misunderstand or under utilize some of the Rev 2's functions. The AudioMod for the filter being one of the more important ones when trying to break out of the ordinary-- and it's not just for making bells or noisy sounds, either.
I agree... the AudioMod is one that I have been using A LOT in those programs... without it the REV2 would not have been able to do so many different sounds as it's capable of... more than bell sounds yes, but without it, bell sounds would have been out of the question really... this is also why I find it a shame that DSI did not include the filter feedback from the Mopho and Tetra into the REV2... that would have allowed for a lot more analog distorted timbres on a per voice basis. But I guess this is Dave's philosophy... every synth has to have something that makes it unique, so that people want them all ...
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"Understanding the ModMatrix and how it works is not rocket science though... everyone understand the source, amount and destination scheme, but the secrets lies in understand what to modulate and how... this is something you have to learn like any other skill... it's sound design skills that is needed to get more out of the REV2, and other deep synths like the Prophet 12"
Razmo have you got any tips for literature or other stuff where I can learn the skills or is it learning by doing? I am pretty new to Synthesis so it would be great to get some tips from experienced people like you.
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This is a great demo Razmo. You pulled some stuff out of there I've yet to hear in any demo or patch bank. Hard to believe this thing in front of me is capable of making some of those sounds. Well done!
It definitely highlights how I'm totally one of in those misunderstanding/under-utilizing this thing. But I'm trying to dig in. It's still a pretty new addition and I'm used to simpler synths.
The only weak side I have found on Rev2 is the bass sounds (as on many poly synthesizers) but that is not a problem anymore after purchasing a Toraiz AS-1. They really complement each other and are both really great instruments.
Absolutely. I did the same after finally deciding on a REV2 over a P6. Seemed like a better solution - all the possibilities of a REV2 and it's 61 note keyboard, while still retaining a piece of what makes the P6 great.
I struggled at first with the multimode in-only limitation. It would be great if you could split the midi channel going out like you can coming in. I guess that's more of a "there's 2 synth engines not 2 keyboard zones" thing, but I wonder if it couldn't be implemented in a firmware update. Seems like DSI isn't really interested in that though, from what I've gathered in some other threads.
For now, I just pop the AS-1 into low note priority and let it fill in the bass register. With the right combo of patches (and a steady hand on a low note) it'll sound fantastic.
Regarding bass sounds and the REV2 (or Curtis chip in general), then most of the sounds that end up sounding fat and deep are those where you use unison... unfortunately using unison also makes the sound smeared... this can be cool if that's what you're after, but if you want a single oscillator bass sound, that is strong and punchy in the lowend, then the REV2 simply won't do really... I managed to make a few that comes close, but it's just not the same as sitting in front of a Sub37 for example... you need an analog synth with much stronger basic oscillator sounds, and a filter that can seriously drive up that low-end... also, the REV2 does not have any means of driving the input to the filter into distortion... that's another reason...
If bass sounds is critical to anyones music, I'd certainly find another analog monosynth to complement the REV2... like you are doing.
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"Understanding the ModMatrix and how it works is not rocket science though... everyone understand the source, amount and destination scheme, but the secrets lies in understand what to modulate and how... this is something you have to learn like any other skill... it's sound design skills that is needed to get more out of the REV2, and other deep synths like the Prophet 12"
Razmo have you got any tips for literature or other stuff where I can learn the skills or is it learning by doing? I am pretty new to Synthesis so it would be great to get some tips from experienced people like you.
To be honest, i learned everything I know by myself over the course of the last 25+ years... so I'd say that a large part of it is by simply doing and having the ambition to expereiment and take things one step at a time... I've also been doing electronics myself in the past, and coding stuff like envelopes, LFO's and the like for synths... knowing how things work internally is also a big plus which people not having done these things probably do not realize...
Over the years I've learned some tricks of course, that I use a lot, but in many cases it's about being able to "see the sound in your head"... it's actually a creative process... using your imagination to get as much modulation into the sound as possible... in some cases things end in completely other directions than intended, and you stumble upon a cool sound by accident... it's almost like "creating a painting" to me... I just "throw colors at the canvas" and see what i come up with over time... then knowing how to take those raw sounds and molding them into something useable is where knowing how the synth works is crucial...
But a good start is to take any part of the synth, and focus on that part... figure out how it works, and how you can use that part...
Many of my sounds usualy start out by me looking at a certain part of the synth from a technical perspective... like "Hey, what does it sound like, if I let the pitch of an oscillator be modulated by LFO1, which is modulated by LFO2, which is modulated by LFO3 which is modulated by LFO4 which is again modulated by LFO1 ?" ... I simply take a small part of the engine, and experiment with it... when I find something while experimenting that sounds cool, then it's just about applying maybe some filter modulation and assign some controllers to parameters until i get some interresting modulations going... and when I've experimented with such a program, then I have learned more about how the LFO's can be used in strange ways, intermodulating eachother etc... some stuff I can use on other programs, other things is only used that once... it varies..
I actually do not have many obscure tricks that I use a lot to be honest... a few have proven useful and is used often though:
1. Envelope feedback... routing an envelope's output to it's own Decay/Attack/Release parameter is a known trick on many synths... this lets you shape the envelope decay curve to become more exponential or logarithmic... a really cool trick for making basses more snappy, or give a bassdrum more punch... it's also good on bell sounds that need punch...
2. Fake filter... Set one oscillator to a Triangle, and the other to a Sawtooth... route an envelope to the oscillator MIX parameter... this way you can simulate a filter BEFORE the filter (like having two filters after each other)... the sound starts out with the bright Sawtooth waveform, but the envelope will crossfade to the Triangle in the end... the Triangle has the least harmonics, thus the end result sound much like a filter... if you adjust the real filter on top this actually give some rather cool bass sounds.
I'll post other tricks in here, when I recall them... but as i said earlier; most of my sounds come from experimentation with a certain part of the engine... that is also why most of my programs are made from scratch, and NOT based on other programs.
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[...] any tips for literature or other stuff where I can learn the skills or is it learning by doing?
Good old "Synth Secrets" series from Sound On Sound:
https://www.soundonsound.com/search/articles/%22Synth%20Secrets%22
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[...] any tips for literature or other stuff where I can learn the skills or is it learning by doing?
Good old "Synth Secrets" series from Sound On Sound:
https://www.soundonsound.com/search/articles/%22Synth%20Secrets%22
Yes, they are quite good actually... on a theoretical level at least... the examples are usually done with the Nord Modular in mind, which is in most cases impossible to transfer to hardwired synths... but it gives you some valuable insight into synthesis nonetheless :)
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Thank you guys. I'll have a look!
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http://razmo.ziphoid.com/BankSounds.mp3
The 44 minutes long demo above holds all the 44 presets I've been doing over the last two months.
I'm posting it here to showcase that the REV2 is not just a simple "Brass synth", which I have read on occation on some fecebook synthesizer groups... I find it hard to find good demos of synths that showcase Ambient/Fantasy/Pads presets, so I thought I'd post this in response to that observation.
It's just live playing (so don't expect anything serious, it's only meant to showcase the sounds)... everything is played thru a Valhalla - Übermod plugin for that extra Ambient feeling, but other than that, just REV2. Everyone uses external FX anyway with most synths.
These are great sounds, so many good ones. Great job!
My favourites are:
6.26 Bell-ish sounds.
10.06 that nasty bass is amazing and I’d totally buy the pack just for that if I owned a Rev 2.
16.35 The rain/water in cave sounds
27.02 Eerie pad
35.58 bass arp
36.18 (is this the same as above but modulated or is it a distinct patch?)
40.19 convincing Irish whistle
By the way, was it you who did the 4 elements sounds. I was trying to listen to the fire one again to show my daughter and it wouldn’t load. If it was yours, could you please reupload a working link. Thanks.
The sound at 36.18 is not a modified version... in fact i start all programs from scratch in 99% of the time.
and yes... it was I who did that fire-sound as well... but I'm not fully satisfied with it yet, so I am to go back and re-edit it at some time... I'll upload all the demo's again so that they'll work again...
EDIT: old links to demo's in my blog should be up again now...
Where is your blog?
It's located here: https://forum.davesmithinstruments.com/index.php/topic,58.0.html
Thanks, Razmo. I managed to find the exact post using a google search with the right keywords.
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http://razmo.ziphoid.com/TheStorm.mp3
Made a short demo of several of my presets including a new bass patch... it has not been EQ'ed or anything... it's just some tracks recorded directly from the REV2... no external FX, just the REV2.
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Oh, gorgeous sounds in the first demo!
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I'm deeply impressed, thanks a lot for sharing your work and your tips! :)
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http://razmo.ziphoid.com/BankSounds.mp3
The 44 minutes long demo above holds all the 44 presets I've been doing over the last two months.
I'm posting it here to showcase that the REV2 is not just a simple "Brass synth", which I have read on occation on some fecebook synthesizer groups... I find it hard to find good demos of synths that showcase Ambient/Fantasy/Pads presets, so I thought I'd post this in response to that observation.
It's just live playing (so don't expect anything serious, it's only meant to showcase the sounds)... everything is played thru a Valhalla - Übermod plugin for that extra Ambient feeling, but other than that, just REV2. Everyone uses external FX anyway with most synths.
Very inspiring demo. Thanks, Razmo! I would definitely be interested if you offer your soundbank for purchase.
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http://razmo.ziphoid.com/TheStorm.mp3
Made a short demo of several of my presets including a new bass patch... it has not been EQ'ed or anything... it's just some tracks recorded directly from the REV2... no external FX, just the REV2.
Great patches and tune. Thank you!
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I have to agree with all of the above, this is great stuff and the sort of music I like to try and perform myself (but nowhere near as good as you!)
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Thanks for all the compliments...
In fact I've been thinking a lot about making them available as a purchase instead of just giving them away for free. The reason is that I've spend a lot more time on these sounds than i first thought I would (and I'm still refining those that I've already made). When these are done, I'll have spend close to 6 months creating these sounds.
Another reason is, that when you just make soundbanks free, many people just simply download them, and never care to say thank you or anything, and as a musician/sound designer, getting no feedback serves no purpose really. Everyone would want recognition for what they do, and if not by words, then at least paying for them is a kind of feedback (you rarely buy if you do not like).
So stay tuned... I'll write a separate thread when the sounds are done, with details of purchasing the sounds... it will probably not be until the end of the year unfortunately, as I'm only almost half done with the presets... I want these to be outstanding, as I'm a cursed perfectionist... that's just how it is :)
But I'll keep on posting demo's of the sounds as i go along... sharing the knowledge about creating them as i go along... I'm a firm believer in sharing knowledge, so i see no reason to hide my tricks.
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I find it a shame that DSI did not include the filter feedback from the Mopho and Tetra into the REV2... that would have allowed for a lot more analog distorted timbres on a per voice basis. But I guess this is Dave's philosophy... every synth has to have something that makes it unique, so that people want them all ...
Regarding bass sounds and the REV2 (or Curtis chip in general), then most of the sounds that end up sounding fat and deep are those where you use unison... unfortunately using unison also makes the sound smeared... this can be cool if that's what you're after, but if you want a single oscillator bass sound, that is strong and punchy in the lowend, then the REV2 simply won't do really... I managed to make a few that comes close, but it's just not the same as sitting in front of a Sub37 for example... you need an analog synth with much stronger basic oscillator sounds, and a filter that can seriously drive up that low-end... also, the REV2 does not have any means of driving the input to the filter into distortion... that's another reason...
If bass sounds is critical to anyones music, I'd certainly find another analog monosynth to complement the REV2... like you are doing.
If DSI would have included the feedback from Mopho/Tetra that would have helped a lot for bass, imho. In the meantime I've found that the distortion effect can help by using moderate gain and tweaking the tone, but it's not quite the same as the feedback, and you sacrifice your effect slot, obviously.
Another thing I've noticed is that the sub octave on the REV2 seems a little softer/lower in volume compared to the Tetra (at least from memory).
Finally, great sounds! :)
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Thanks for all the compliments...
In fact I've been thinking a lot about making them available as a purchase instead of just giving them away for free. The reason is that I've spend a lot more time on these sounds than i first thought I would (and I'm still refining those that I've already made). When these are done, I'll have spend close to 6 months creating these sounds.
Another reason is, that when you just make soundbanks free, many people just simply download them, and never care to say thank you or anything, and as a musician/sound designer, getting no feedback serves no purpose really. Everyone would want recognition for what they do, and if not by words, then at least paying for them is a kind of feedback (you rarely buy if you do not like).
So stay tuned... I'll write a separate thread when the sounds are done, with details of purchasing the sounds... it will probably not be until the end of the year unfortunately, as I'm only almost half done with the presets... I want these to be outstanding, as I'm a cursed perfectionist... that's just how it is :)
But I'll keep on posting demo's of the sounds as i go along... sharing the knowledge about creating them as i go along... I'm a firm believer in sharing knowledge, so i see no reason to hide my tricks.
I would be happy to pay for your patches. But I'm happier with you explanations an tricks you mentioned here and there.
But, I refuse to pay for packs like "famous 80's patches", "Best of Rush" or "All Van Halen". I have no idea why people buy a REV2 to just play Subdivision. Of course, I like those songs as well. But just using those patches just doesn't do the REV2 any justice; it is so much more. And you show that.
Ron
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Thanks for all the compliments...
In fact I've been thinking a lot about making them available as a purchase instead of just giving them away for free. The reason is that I've spend a lot more time on these sounds than i first thought I would (and I'm still refining those that I've already made). When these are done, I'll have spend close to 6 months creating these sounds.
Another reason is, that when you just make soundbanks free, many people just simply download them, and never care to say thank you or anything, and as a musician/sound designer, getting no feedback serves no purpose really. Everyone would want recognition for what they do, and if not by words, then at least paying for them is a kind of feedback (you rarely buy if you do not like).
So stay tuned... I'll write a separate thread when the sounds are done, with details of purchasing the sounds... it will probably not be until the end of the year unfortunately, as I'm only almost half done with the presets... I want these to be outstanding, as I'm a cursed perfectionist... that's just how it is :)
But I'll keep on posting demo's of the sounds as i go along... sharing the knowledge about creating them as i go along... I'm a firm believer in sharing knowledge, so i see no reason to hide my tricks.
I would be happy to pay for your patches. But I'm happier with you explanations an tricks you mentioned here and there.
But, I refuse to pay for packs like "famous 80's patches", "Best of Rush" or "All Van Halen". I have no idea why people buy a REV2 to just play Subdivision. Of course, I like those songs as well. But just using those patches just doesn't do the REV2 any justice; it is so much more. And you show that.
Ron
I have to agree with you!
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But I'm happier with you explanations an tricks you mentioned here and there.
But, I refuse to pay for packs like "famous 80's patches", "Best of Rush" or "All Van Halen". I have no idea why people buy a REV2 to just play Subdivision. Of course, I like those songs as well. But just using those patches just doesn't do the REV2 any justice; it is so much more. And you show that.
+1
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Great Razmo, looking forward to buy a patch pack later on then! I'm also a firm believer in not profiting from knowledge. My biggest hero never sold his teachings, but gave freely, to everyone's benefit. However, man deserves a salary from doing work. I really like the patches you've demonstrated on here, and have no doubt that I will learn a lot from studying them.
I usually don't buy sound packs either, but I've actually bought the "Prophet Classics" from AnalogAudio1, mostly because I'm not used to programming "typical" Prophet sounds, so I thought it could be interesting to see how some of these sounds are programmed. Probably won't use them much though, but one may get some new ideas, inspiration or approach this way.
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http://razmo.ziphoid.com/BankSounds.mp3
The 44 minutes long demo above holds all the 44 presets I've been doing over the last two months.
I'm posting it here to showcase that the REV2 is not just a simple "Brass synth", which I have read on occation on some fecebook synthesizer groups... I find it hard to find good demos of synths that showcase Ambient/Fantasy/Pads presets, so I thought I'd post this in response to that observation.
It's just live playing (so don't expect anything serious, it's only meant to showcase the sounds)... everything is played thru a Valhalla - Übermod plugin for that extra Ambient feeling, but other than that, just REV2. Everyone uses external FX anyway with most synths.
WOW the chimes at 14:00!! Didn't know that was even possible.
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I've had a little break from the programs lately, but are now on it again...
This time I've created a harp like sound that I call "Harp of Time"... demo below :)
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/HarpOfTime.mp3
It's 100% REV2... no external FX used...
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http://razmo.ziphoid.com/Harps.mp3
Made a few changes to the harp like sound, and also made another program based on it that is more bright... this time there is a bit of reverb on the sound as well from external sources.
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I've had a little break from the programs lately, but are now on it again...
This time I've created a harp like sound that I call "Harp of Time"... demo below :)
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/HarpOfTime.mp3
It's 100% REV2... no external FX used...
Quite an impressive result!
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http://razmo.ziphoid.com/Harps.mp3
Made a few changes to the harp like sound, and also made another program based on it that is more bright... this time there is a bit of reverb on the sound as well from external sources.
Today if I were to want a harp sound I have several giaganic multisampled harp instruments for Kontakt. Hell I even have a pretty remarkable physical modeled harp from the folks that make Pianoteq. The Rev2 would not be my first, second, or third choice.
However with all that said it is a testament to Razmo’s sound design chops that he made such a damn convincing and totally useful harp sound.
I really do enjoy listening to your creations! It is inspiring!
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That’s fantastic, Razmo. Good work.
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http://razmo.ziphoid.com/Harps.mp3
Made a few changes to the harp like sound, and also made another program based on it that is more bright... this time there is a bit of reverb on the sound as well from external sources.
Today if I were to want a harp sound I have several giaganic multisampled harp instruments for Kontakt. Hell I even have a pretty remarkable physical modeled harp from the folks that make Pianoteq. The Rev2 would not be my first, second, or third choice.
However with all that said it is a testament to Razmo’s sound design chops that he made such a damn convincing and totally useful harp sound.
I really do enjoy listening to your creations! It is inspiring!
I can follow that choice of a sampled harp for sure... I'd have gone for a sampled one myself if my aim was to replicate an acoustic harp... if I had a Prophet X 'd be all over creating such a sound to be honest, and as faithful as possible... but I do not have an X ... yet ;)
I actually do not have any other sound source than the REV2, so I simply tried making one that resembles a harp as much as possible, but with a twist... actually I'm not aiming to create sounds that are complete acoustic rip-offs, i just want a bit of the same organic feel to them, and as this is a Fantasy/Ambient bank in production, I'm actually aiming for a bit "extra" than just the normal acoustic versions... this sound in particular have some strange and weird echo'es that make it sound a bit "ethereal"... also I can clearly hear it's shortcomings, if it was to sound like a real harp... in fact, I see this "harp'ish" sound more like a completely unique instrument, as if it was a never before seen instrument in a fantasy world :)
The advantage of creating this with a synthesizer instead of a sample player though is, that I get a whole lot more performance modulation into it, and more than what you'd be able to with even a sampled harp, unless it was seriously multisampled (and still it would not be able to sound like one synthesized really)... this sound is very velocity sensitive, and has other modulations going for live playing on both foot pedal and modwheel... modulations you'd also never have on a real harp. I consider these harps "Magical Harps", which is also why I call these two sounds "Harp of Time" and "Celestial Harp" :)
I actually have a real acoustic harp here in my apartment, I love the sound and look of the harp, it's one of the most moody sounds I know of in the acoustic realm besides the Celeste (think Harry Potter theme).
What I look for in my bank in general are sounds that are both good for Ambient/Fantasy music, but I like for the sounds to have an organic feel and be VERY playable performance wise too... I want these sounds to be unique... otherwise i could as well have gone for a sample library version :)
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The mod matrix & the ambient/organic sounds you came up with are exactly why I bought the Rev2, which, sadly, has been lately neglected. I have, through your work, regained the original muse and look forward to adding your sounds to my Rev2 as impetus. Well done on yet another level and please add me to the list of interested buyers. One day maybe we'll have a schnapps together. Prost!
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Working on two new sounds... "Ritual Ensemble" and "Marionette"...
All REV2, except for a tiny bit of eternal reverb added :)
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/TwoNewSounds.mp3
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Changed the program "Ritual Ensemble" a bit: http://razmo.ziphoid.com/RitualEnsemble.mp3
Trying to do a few dark sounds at the moment as most of my sounds thus far has been more in the "faerytale" department until now, and I want sounds to work with Dark Ambient as well... in this case I'm trying to get some decent choral textures out of the REV2, but it's not an easy task.
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A few new programs for the REV2... not quite finished yet, but it's closing in...
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/HellsBells.mp3
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/GlassGolem.mp3
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Tried two programs together for a "dark fit" :) ... I want programs for Dark Ambient and thee two fit well together.
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/DarkPlace.mp3
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http://razmo.ziphoid.com/EnchantedGlass
A new program I'm working on... wanted something that sounded a bit like when you rub a glass... think it went allright.
I'm still amazed all the time when I realize how many different sound textures the REV2 is capable of shaking out it's sleeve... the demo has a tiny bit af external reverb on it though. There are a bit of voice stealing going on in the demo above as I'm using both layers for this sound, and with it's extremely long release time, 8 voices is a bit on the low side, so have to be careful how you play this sound :)
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http://razmo.ziphoid.com/EnchantedGlass
A new program I'm working on... wanted something that sounded a bit like when you rub a glass... think it went allright.
I'm still amazed all the time when I realize how many different sound textures the REV2 is capable of shaking out it's sleeve... the demo has a tiny bit af external reverb on it though. There are a bit of voice stealing going on in the demo above as I'm using both layers for this sound, and with it's extremely long release time, 8 voices is a bit on the low side, so have to be careful how you play this sound :)
Nice. Is that mostly triangles with a filter key amount reversed?
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http://razmo.ziphoid.com/BankSounds.mp3
Razmo - Thank you for this post. As a recovering Tempest owner, I’ve been on the fence about getting a Rev2 for a while. This post pushed me over the edge and I’ve had it for a little over a week.
I find most of the factory presets... not very musical.
The sounds you are getting out of it are rich and musical, like a want my instrument to be.
Count me among those who would gladly pay for the patches. Even if you never release them though, I’ve pulled some serious inspiration.
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http://razmo.ziphoid.com/BankSounds.mp3
Razmo - Thank you for this post. As a recovering Tempest owner, I’ve been on the fence about getting a Rev2 for a while. This post pushed me over the edge and I’ve had it for a little over a week.
I find most of the factory presets... not very musical.
The sounds you are getting out of it are rich and musical, like a want my instrument to be.
Count me among those who would gladly pay for the patches. Even if you never release them though, I’ve pulled some serious inspiration.
It's a different type of presets I'm doing here... mostly for Ambient music which sadly is not of much interest to developers of factory presets :) ... I'm glad you like them, and yes, they WILL be released for purchase when they're done, but I'm only half way thru a full bank (I'm a perfectionist, so it takes time)... I believe that they will be ready in december, maybe january... I'll make a separate thread for it when it's done.
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http://razmo.ziphoid.com/EnchantedGlass
A new program I'm working on... wanted something that sounded a bit like when you rub a glass... think it went allright.
I'm still amazed all the time when I realize how many different sound textures the REV2 is capable of shaking out it's sleeve... the demo has a tiny bit af external reverb on it though. There are a bit of voice stealing going on in the demo above as I'm using both layers for this sound, and with it's extremely long release time, 8 voices is a bit on the low side, so have to be careful how you play this sound :)
Nice. Is that mostly triangles with a filter key amount reversed?
It's a lot of things really... one layer takes care of the sine-like sound of the "glass" by using the filter in self oscillating mode, with an oscillator added (triangle) for movement... but also a bit of AudioMod is used, plus the RingMod FX...
Layer two is set with almost the same as layer A, but is tweaked to get an inharmonic timbre layered... this is what makes the "glass roughness" timbre :) ...
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http://razmo.ziphoid.com/EnchantedGlass
A new program I'm working on... wanted something that sounded a bit like when you rub a glass... think it went allright.
I'm still amazed all the time when I realize how many different sound textures the REV2 is capable of shaking out it's sleeve... the demo has a tiny bit af external reverb on it though. There are a bit of voice stealing going on in the demo above as I'm using both layers for this sound, and with it's extremely long release time, 8 voices is a bit on the low side, so have to be careful how you play this sound :)
Nice. Is that mostly triangles with a filter key amount reversed?
It's a lot of things really... one layer takes care of the sine-like sound of the "glass" by using the filter in self oscillating mode, with an oscillator added (triangle) for movement... but also a bit of AudioMod is used, plus the RingMod FX...
Layer two is set with almost the same as layer A, but is tweaked to get an inharmonic timbre layered... this is what makes the "glass roughness" timbre :) ...
Cool stuff!
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http://razmo.ziphoid.com/EnchantedGlass
A new program I'm working on... wanted something that sounded a bit like when you rub a glass... think it went allright.
I'm still amazed all the time when I realize how many different sound textures the REV2 is capable of shaking out it's sleeve... the demo has a tiny bit af external reverb on it though. There are a bit of voice stealing going on in the demo above as I'm using both layers for this sound, and with it's extremely long release time, 8 voices is a bit on the low side, so have to be careful how you play this sound :)
Nice. Is that mostly triangles with a filter key amount reversed?
It's a lot of things really... one layer takes care of the sine-like sound of the "glass" by using the filter in self oscillating mode, with an oscillator added (triangle) for movement... but also a bit of AudioMod is used, plus the RingMod FX...
Layer two is set with almost the same as layer A, but is tweaked to get an inharmonic timbre layered... this is what makes the "glass roughness" timbre :) ...
Cool stuff!
I'm sorry if my explanations sometimes does not reveal everything... the reason is that when i do sound design, I usually work more than 1 hour on a sound from scratch... I never go for anything specific, I simply just experiment along the way, and sometimes a particular interesting sound comes by all by itself... thus, the timbres are usually a result of multiple parameters acting together, so it's really hard to describe "how I got that glassy sound" because i actually tweak and tweak and tweak parameters again and again, and the right sound may sometimes be a matter of many parameters acting together with only miniscule adjustments completely changing the feel and timbre of the sound... that is why I cannot creaate my sounds on the interface of my synths, and why I constantly make editors for my synths... i simply NEED to have every single parameter on the screen at the same time so that i can very quickly change a parameter... in my REV2 editor, I actually have ALL parameters visible at the same time... both layers! ... this is also why SysEx implementation is crucial for me in any synth I own (and have owned).
Using this way of creating sounds actually mean that my sounds are usually "unique"... I did not get to them by planning much... in essence, many of the sounds are so complex in the way the parameters interact that I cannot boil an explanation down to a specific trick i use... I can actually not replicate any of them because I create them this way... I'd simply have to go back to them, and start analyzing them, if I wanted to explain them, and even then, it's hard.
So my best suggestion if anyone wants to know "how I did that or this", would be to study the preset in question when the bank is out... I actually have only few trick in my "sound design bag" that I use often... in fact, what i really like about sound design is to experiment, not going for a sound in a specifically planned manner... this is much more me... in many cases, if I start out trying to create something in a planned manner, I usually end up with something completely different anyway... I simply "go by ear"... :)
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http://razmo.ziphoid.com/EnchantedGlass
A new program I'm working on... wanted something that sounded a bit like when you rub a glass... think it went allright.
I'm still amazed all the time when I realize how many different sound textures the REV2 is capable of shaking out it's sleeve... the demo has a tiny bit af external reverb on it though. There are a bit of voice stealing going on in the demo above as I'm using both layers for this sound, and with it's extremely long release time, 8 voices is a bit on the low side, so have to be careful how you play this sound :)
Nice. Is that mostly triangles with a filter key amount reversed?
It's a lot of things really... one layer takes care of the sine-like sound of the "glass" by using the filter in self oscillating mode, with an oscillator added (triangle) for movement... but also a bit of AudioMod is used, plus the RingMod FX...
Layer two is set with almost the same as layer A, but is tweaked to get an inharmonic timbre layered... this is what makes the "glass roughness" timbre :) ...
Cool stuff!
I'm sorry if my explanations sometimes does not reveal everything... the reason is that when i do sound design, I usually work more than 1 hour on a sound from scratch... I never go for anything specific, I simply just experiment along the way, and sometimes a particular interesting sound comes by all by itself... thus, the timbres are usually a result of multiple parameters acting together, so it's really hard to describe "how I got that glassy sound" because i actually tweak and tweak and tweak parameters again and again, and the right sound may sometimes be a matter of many parameters acting together with only miniscule adjustments completely changing the feel and timbre of the sound... that is why I cannot creaate my sounds on the interface of my synths, and why I constantly make editors for my synths... i simply NEED to have every single parameter on the screen at the same time so that i can very quickly change a parameter... in my REV2 editor, I actually have ALL parameters visible at the same time... both layers! ... this is also why SysEx implementation is crucial for me in any synth I own (and have owned).
Using this way of creating sounds actually mean that my sounds are usually "unique"... I did not get to them by planning much... in essence, many of the sounds are so complex in the way the parameters interact that I cannot boil an explanation down to a specific trick i use... I can actually not replicate any of them because I create them this way... I'd simply have to go back to them, and start analyzing them, if I wanted to explain them, and even then, it's hard.
So my best suggestion if anyone wants to know "how I did that or this", would be to study the preset in question when the bank is out... I actually have only few trick in my "sound design bag" that I use often... in fact, what i really like about sound design is to experiment, not going for a sound in a specifically planned manner... this is much more me... in many cases, if I start out trying to create something in a planned manner, I usually end up with something completely different anyway... I simply "go by ear"... :)
Totally makes sense. Sometimes I go for specific sounds in my head but sometimes I just explore like you’ve described. Of course if I’m going for a sound for a specific song sometimes I’ll nail the sound I was aiming for—then find it’s the wrong sound for the song!
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Third weekend with the Rev2, I'm happy to report I dialed in a nice subby, rubbery, Taurus like bass patch!
All it took was moderate use of unison detune, light filter env and keytrack amounts, low cutoff with just enough resonance to bump up the bounce.
Also helps to disengage the mixer channels low cut and engage the subs =)
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Razmos patch demos pushed me over the fence and I bought a Rev2 16 voice three weeks ago as a birthday gift to myself.
Looking forward do buy the patch set once it is complete, great stuff!
With the Rev2 I immediately started to program my own patches, something that never happend to that extend with all my previous synths (be it either hard- or software). Programming the Rev2 ist just so intuitive and joyful despite the complexity. And a good thing this is, as most of the factory presets do not fit my musical needs. Where is a warm, lush yet unobstrusive pad that sits well in a mix?
During the last week I got a bit frustrated with the bugs in 1.1.4.18, namely the sustain pedal and particularly the LFOs acting all strangly. Gladly, the newest OS seems to offer a fix.
What disappoints me is the often discussed high „chirping“ digital noise at the end of percussive sounds (key off). It seems to originate from the envelopes. I still need to figure out a way to deal with that. This hinders me programming my own analouge drum kit, as the kicks and toms I am comming up at the moment resemble rompler sounds with a good measure of aliasing.
Other than that I am really happy and as long as these updates are comming, I am sure, the Rev2 gets even better.
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Today I started to experiment with brass like sounds... made a program I called "King's Fart":
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/KingsFart.mp3
It's a strange hybrid like type of brass sound capable of sounding both acoustic and synthetic... :) ... the name may probably change as I find something better :D
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Today I started to experiment with brass like sounds... made a program I called "King's Fart":
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/KingsFart.mp3
It's a strange hybrid like type of brass sound capable of sounding both acoustic and synthetic... :) ... the name may probably change as I find something better :D
Good job. How about “The Emperor’s New Trombones”?
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Today I started to experiment with brass like sounds... made a program I called "King's Fart":
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/KingsFart.mp3
It's a strange hybrid like type of brass sound capable of sounding both acoustic and synthetic... :) ... the name may probably change as I find something better :D
Good job. How about “The Emperor’s New Trombones”?
well... i have to keep it within 17 characters :D
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Here is a funny one I just made called "Deva Sisters"... I cannot describe it, just listen :)
http://razmo.ziphoid.com//DevaSisters.mp3
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Here is a funny one I just made called "Deva Sisters"... I cannot describe it, just listen :)
Very stylish revue type vocals! . o O ( ;D ;D ;D )
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Here is a funny one I just made called "Deva Sisters"... I cannot describe it, just listen :)
Very stylish revue type vocals! . o O ( ;D ;D ;D )
Just added an ending to the above Deva Sisters demo... I added a strange effect to the program by changing the ModWheel making the sound get even more funny (sounding like making funny voices with blowing air thru your libs while making a sound), and suddenly I knew I had heard something like that before on the internet... a rather funny Russian singer that got famous for that sound... think most must have seen that video :)
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Today I started to experiment with brass like sounds... made a program I called "King's Fart":
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/KingsFart.mp3
It's a strange hybrid like type of brass sound capable of sounding both acoustic and synthetic... :) ... the name may probably change as I find something better :D
Very impressive, great work there Razmo! Maybe I need to get out more, but that's probably the 2nd best synthesized trombone demo I've ever heard. ( And I'm a trombonist to boot )...
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Today I started to experiment with brass like sounds... made a program I called "King's Fart":
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/KingsFart.mp3
It's a strange hybrid like type of brass sound capable of sounding both acoustic and synthetic... :) ... the name may probably change as I find something better :D
Very impressive, great work there Razmo! Maybe I need to get out more, but that's probably the 2nd best synthesized trombone demo I've ever heard. ( And I'm a trombonist to boot )...
Thank you for the compliment :) ... funny really because I just did a "brass like" sound... I did not have a Trombone in my mind when I set out to do this sound, so it's simply pure coincidence if it sounds like one really :D
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a rather funny Russian singer that got famous for that sound
So that sound is a result of r*ss**n *nf*ltr*t**n!? . o O ( :-X :-X :-X )
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I just got home from work and am listening to the demo again. On my smartphone in the car, the lower parts of the demo sounded very trombone-like (minus the steady vibrato). Admittedly at home on my studio monitors, the demo does sound much more synthetic than realistic. Still, the sound is thick and brassy, nice job. Looking forward to the completed set.
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All these sounds are really good!
Can't wait for these to be released!
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http://razmo.ziphoid.com/ThereminTardis.mp3
This one is a sound where I went for something specific from the start... the sound of a Theremin-like instrument. I'm still trying to make use of the realtime controllers so that most of the controls from a real theremin could be achieved with the realtime controllers... you really need a sense of human feel to get this sound right.
Currently the vibrato is introduced via Aftertouch which is one of the only real uses I've found for using Aftertouch... small amounts of modulation to the LFO's amount and frequency setting has also been done via the other LFOs to emulate a non stable vibrato as it's impossible to not have flaws in this when performing on the real instrument.
The portamento effect is also a huge part of this instrument... unfortunately it's close to impossible to simulate this right without simply assigning the modwheel to pitch... but hitting the right notes with the ModWheel is a nightmare (like it probably is with the real instrument too)...
A not-so-well played Theremin really sounds like shit, and to require the player to learn to hit the notes via ModWheel would be overkill, so I decided that the keys must be used, and that the Glide effect had to do the portamento instead. You have to play it legato... when not playing legato it bends the pitch "into tuning" and bend it out again when a key is released... this is to try and simulate when you close in or remove your hands from the antennas...
The volume antenna is straight forward... simply routed the pedal to volume... that way your hands are also free to play more complex melody lines.
in general, the theremin is rather simple... it's just a pitch and volume control, the problem is that the way it's being performed on, is a bit hard to replicate with keys and standard keyboard controls... on the other hands, it's a lot easier to play with keys and controllers :D
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Do you know how to make a trumpet sound like a French Horn? Stick your hand in the bell and miss a lot of notes! [old joke from my high school band days]
Theremin is similar. Like a French horn where you need much better embouchure control to hit the right note the theremin takes crazy skills to hit the notes in tune so unless you are a ninja you probably will be gliding into pitch. I bought a Moog Theremin a couple of years ago and was quickly humbled. Watching someone like Carolina Eyck https://youtu.be/MJACNHHuGp0
it all just seems so simple. Maybe I should just stick to your patch when it’s done! ;)
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tried using the Arpeggiator for something interesting, and this is the result:
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/Microbes.mp3
It's not finished yet... I'm using the A and B layers here with both using the arp... but the sound in layer B is different to layer A... it runs at twice the speed of layer A, but instead it is repeating notes twice... this means that both layers play the same, but layer B is ratcheting the same... there are many interesting stacked arp possibilities if you think about it for a while :)
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Shades of Stranger Things. Sounds great.
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Man ! I don’t bother login in to the forum very often, but your amazing demo made me do it.
You did a wonderful job crafting those presets, and I like that it ventures in sound territories we don’t usually hear.
It’s truly inspiring and I am definitely going to try working on those beautiful harp sounds. Like other people said, you couldn’t legitimately sell your patch bank and I am sure it’s going to get noticed and loved by many.
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Here is another one I'm working on... still have some problems with the retriggering of the envelopes to fix, but I feel I got the right timbre now... a bit of external reverb added.
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/HighMountain.mp3
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Amazing work Razmo.
You got another futur buyer here.
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http://razmo.ziphoid.com/GOHIF.mp3
another small demo of two new presets: Ice Faerie & Gates of Heaven
a bit of external reverb as always :)
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...and thank you for all the nice compliments :) ... I hope you'll all like the sounds when they're out.
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you couldn’t legitimately sell your patch bank and I am sure it’s going to get noticed and loved by many.
That was an unfortunate typo, I obviously meant that you COULD legitimately sell your patch bank ;)
Anyway, I am amazed by how you come up with such cristal sounding patch. It really brings me into another dimension.
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you couldn’t legitimately sell your patch bank and I am sure it’s going to get noticed and loved by many.
That was an unfortunate typo, I obviously meant that you COULD legitimately sell your patch bank ;)
Anyway, I am amazed by how you come up with such cristal sounding patch. It really brings me into another dimension.
He he... I sort of figured that out of course, otherwise it would not make much sense :D ... thanks for the compliments :)
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It clearly is extremely capable and versatile, and I’m only just getting started (arrived yesterday). Great patches, Razmo. Looking forward to mastering this excellent synth myself.
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http://razmo.ziphoid.com/MithrilVoices.mp3
A new choir-like program for the REV2... choir sounds are some of the hardest to make convincing on an analog synth like the REV2... well... any synth for that matter, unless specifically made to deal with formants.
Thus, the choir like programs in my bank only has a "vocal character", and it usually sits best within the upper octaves... in the lower region it's more like some sort of bass tone, but there is nothing to do about it really... but hey... it's better than nothing :)
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It clearly is extremely capable and versatile, and I’m only just getting started (arrived yesterday). Great patches, Razmo. Looking forward to mastering this excellent synth myself.
Congrats with your REV2 :) ... be prepared to dive in deep, especially the Mod Matrix... what makes the REV2 do so many timbres is a combination of the mod Matrix and also stuff like using the filter in selfoscillating mode, combined with clever use of the Audio Mod parameter, and in many cases also the FX engine...
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http://razmo.ziphoid.com/MithrilVoices.mp3
A new choir-like program for the REV2... choir sounds are some of the hardest to make convincing on an analog synth like the REV2... well... any synth for that matter, unless specifically made to deal with formants.
Thus, the choir like programs in my bank only has a "vocal character", and it usually sits best within the upper octaves... in the lower region it's more like some sort of bass tone, but there is nothing to do about it really... but hey... it's better than nothing :)
Oh I really like this one. I'm seriously thinking about selling the Rev2 trying to save money for the upcoming Moog One and dammit Razmo, your patches are making me reconsider...
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http://razmo.ziphoid.com/MithrilVoices.mp3
A new choir-like program for the REV2... choir sounds are some of the hardest to make convincing on an analog synth like the REV2... well... any synth for that matter, unless specifically made to deal with formants.
Thus, the choir like programs in my bank only has a "vocal character", and it usually sits best within the upper octaves... in the lower region it's more like some sort of bass tone, but there is nothing to do about it really... but hey... it's better than nothing :)
Oh I really like this one. I'm seriously thinking about selling the Rev2 trying to save money for the upcoming Moog One and dammit Razmo, your patches are making me reconsider...
Well... i can certainly understand the urge to get a ONE, if one (ha ha!) can find the money for it :) ... but personally I don't really see how much difference you'd be having in a ONE, compared to a REV2 ... especially for stuff other than Bass... my programs are mostly pads, drones, ambiences and FX, and I really do not think that the ONE would do remarkably better in this department since these sounds are not all that bass dependent... I'd say, that what means more than the raw oscillator and filters are the depth of the Mod Matrix, and the way the FX are implemented... though still, you can always put external FX on any analog synth to give it that all important delay or verb.
For me having had so many synths in the past, I've learned that it's not as important what synth you use, as long as it is reasonably deep in it's engine, and maybe even more important: it has got the sounds you need, or you'll have to create them all yourself... and believe me, this is tiresome!!! and it takes a hell of a lot of time to create the presets you need.
So even if I got tempted and had the money to buy a ONE (or any other synth for that matter), I'd still keep the REV2, simply because I've laid so much time in these presets, and if I sell it, i'd have to start all over again creating presets for the ONE.
So I'm keeping my REV2... no matter what else tickles my GAS in the future :)
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A new and strange synth sound from yesterday evening... hard to find a good name for this, so called it "Rusty the Droid" :)
I used a lot of modulation from the mod sequencers in this one, messing around with pitch and sync on the oscillator... giving this weird almost "rotational" squeaky sound... that gave me a weird picture in my head of a droid on rusty wheels or something, hence the name :D (don't know where i get these images from, don't ask me he he).
http://razmo.ziphoid.com//RustyTheDroid.mp3
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I finally reached preset number 64... one half bank is done, but since I've learned a lot during the creation of these, I believe the next 64 will be done a bit faster... I still believe that it'll be finished in december :)
Here is preset number 64, called "Syntax Error"... a typical ambient preset with some atmosphere:
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/SyntaxError.mp3
A bit of external verb added... as usual.
The machine/robotic noise of this was done with all four LFOs modulating each others rates in a loop feedback to get crazy selfmodulating on all LFOs... then each of the LFO's are modulating pitch, cutoff and other parameters... sync switched on between oscillators, and the FX chosen is Ring Modulator... don't ask me about the settings... it's one big chaotic mass of parameters tweaked until something nice came up :D
Second layer is also a bit chaotic, but is the one responsible for the pitched ambient sound...
A truly weird ambient preset for sure...
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This one sounds perfect for some SciFi movie Soundtrack ;-) I like it very much.
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+ 1 Syntax Error
Love the computer blips and soaring breathy drones combined. You're making it very difficult for me to not return my Rev2....
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I found that I needed a few more plucked string instruments, so here are two new ones:
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/PluckedStrings.mp3
Little String
The Minstrel
a bit of external reverb as usual, otherwise just REV2... I'm beginning to understand more precisely what tricks to use for making instruments with a more organic plucked string sound... a lot can be obtained by mixing two oscillators with each a different setting of the shape parameter... with the correct shape of the filter and amp envelopes (feedback on envelopes to obtain a more plucked curve) plus a tad bit of flanger FX with very slow speed and amount to simulate a strings constant frequency/harmonic change and you get something that sound organic enough... couple it with the right expression control and you're good to go :)
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A picture of my working environment at the moment... pretty simple setup ;)
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This bank is sounding great!! Any chance you can include a short doc/pdf when you sell it?... with the name of each patch, and a brief paragraph explaining the type of sound, and general approach you took in creating it? I really like reading these paragraphs you've been including with the examples.. having this type of context can be really useful.
I found that I needed a few more plucked string instruments, so here are two new ones:
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/PluckedStrings.mp3
Little String
The Minstrel
a bit of external reverb as usual, otherwise just REV2... I'm beginning to understand more precisely what tricks to use for making instruments with a more organic plucked string sound... a lot can be obtained by mixing two oscillators with each a different setting of the shape parameter... with the correct shape of the filter and amp envelopes (feedback on envelopes to obtain a more plucked curve) plus a tad bit of flanger FX with very slow speed and amount to simulate a strings constant frequency/harmonic change and you get something that sound organic enough... couple it with the right expression control and you're good to go :)
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This bank is sounding great!! Any chance you can include a short doc/pdf when you sell it?... with the name of each patch, and a brief paragraph explaining the type of sound, and general approach you took in creating it? I really like reading these paragraphs you've been including with the examples.. having this type of context can be really useful.
I found that I needed a few more plucked string instruments, so here are two new ones:
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/PluckedStrings.mp3
Little String
The Minstrel
a bit of external reverb as usual, otherwise just REV2... I'm beginning to understand more precisely what tricks to use for making instruments with a more organic plucked string sound... a lot can be obtained by mixing two oscillators with each a different setting of the shape parameter... with the correct shape of the filter and amp envelopes (feedback on envelopes to obtain a more plucked curve) plus a tad bit of flanger FX with very slow speed and amount to simulate a strings constant frequency/harmonic change and you get something that sound organic enough... couple it with the right expression control and you're good to go :)
Yes... that is exactly what I intend to do :) ... I'll make a document describing each and every program, including what the different controllers do to the sound (velocity, aftertouch, modwheel, pitchwheel and pedal). This is very important since the programs are extremely expressive... no control is left untouched for maximum expressivity...
Also... as the REV2 has no way of categorizing the programs, I decided to use the first four characters in the name as a category depictor... for example; "AMB:" is an abreviation for Ambience... this way the programs are sorted in the bank so that all Ambience programs are grouped together and so on... this makes it a lot easier to locate what you need. A REV2 name is 20 characters long, where the older Prophet 08 was only 16... so I thought that those extra 4 characters would be useful for a category name.
Until now I've got:
AMB: Ambience
ARP: Arpeggio
BAS: Bass
BEL: Bell
BOW: Bowed (like single violins etc.)
BRS: Brass
ENS: Ensemble (this include string sections etc.)
KBD: Keyboard
PLK: Plucked (guitars, harps etc.)
SEQ: Sequence
SFX: Sound Effect
SYN: Synth
VOC: Vocal
WND: Wind (like flutes etc.)
more will probably come...
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This bank is sounding great!! Any chance you can include a short doc/pdf when you sell it?... with the name of each patch, and a brief paragraph explaining the type of sound, and general approach you took in creating it? I really like reading these paragraphs you've been including with the examples.. having this type of context can be really useful.
I found that I needed a few more plucked string instruments, so here are two new ones:
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/PluckedStrings.mp3
Little String
The Minstrel
a bit of external reverb as usual, otherwise just REV2... I'm beginning to understand more precisely what tricks to use for making instruments with a more organic plucked string sound... a lot can be obtained by mixing two oscillators with each a different setting of the shape parameter... with the correct shape of the filter and amp envelopes (feedback on envelopes to obtain a more plucked curve) plus a tad bit of flanger FX with very slow speed and amount to simulate a strings constant frequency/harmonic change and you get something that sound organic enough... couple it with the right expression control and you're good to go :)
Yes... that is exactly what I intend to do :) ... I'll make a document describing each and every program, including what the different controllers do to the sound (velocity, aftertouch, modwheel, pitchwheel and pedal). This is very important since the programs are extremely expressive... no control is left untouched for maximum expressivity...
Also... as the REV2 has no way of categorizing the programs, I decided to use the first four characters in the name as a category depictor... for example; "AMB:" is an abreviation for Ambience... this way the programs are sorted in the bank so that all Ambience programs are grouped together and so on... this makes it a lot easier to locate what you need. A REV2 name is 20 characters long, where the older Prophet 08 was only 16... so I thought that those extra 4 characters would be useful for a category name.
Until now I've got:
AMB: Ambience
ARP: Arpeggio
BAS: Bass
BEL: Bell
BOW: Bowed (like single violins etc.)
BRS: Brass
ENS: Ensemble (this include string sections etc.)
KBD: Keyboard
PLK: Plucked (guitars, harps etc.)
SEQ: Sequence
SFX: Sound Effect
SYN: Synth
VOC: Vocal
WND: Wind (like flutes etc.)
more will probably come...
Looking forward to buying these patches from you. The examples in this topic sound amazing.
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I've read all the pages and enjoyed the tips you share as I'm new to synthesis. You've inspired me to just experiment and not get too deep into knowing how to do certain things. I know the basics of each control.
I plan to take time to go back and listen to each sound you've posted. Looking forward to the release of the patches. Appreciate your commitment and knowledge you are sharing along the way. Nice simple setup too. Are those Adams monitors?
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I've read all the pages and enjoyed the tips you share as I'm new to synthesis. You've inspired me to just experiment and not get too deep into knowing how to do certain things. I know the basics of each control.
I plan to take time to go back and listen to each sound you've posted. Looking forward to the release of the patches. Appreciate your commitment and knowledge you are sharing along the way. Nice simple setup too. Are those Adams monitors?
Glad I can be of some use and inspiration for others to delve in :) ... and yes, those are the small A3X monitors :)
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I've read all the pages and enjoyed the tips you share as I'm new to synthesis. You've inspired me to just experiment and not get too deep into knowing how to do certain things. I know the basics of each control.
I plan to take time to go back and listen to each sound you've posted. Looking forward to the release of the patches. Appreciate your commitment and knowledge you are sharing along the way. Nice simple setup too. Are those Adams monitors?
Glad I can be of some use and inspiration for others to delve in :) ... and yes, those are the small A3X monitors :)
Nice! I have the A7X. Love em! I went back and listened to your clips you posted. Currently listening to the first one you posted. They are simply amazing. A lot of movement and texture going on. Can't wait for the release so I can use them to learn from.
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http://razmo.ziphoid.com/SoftBrass.mp3
Made a rather standard analog soft brass type sound today... nothing special about this one... it uses both layers though with all four oscillator at the same time for an extra fat texture.
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Awsome sounding! Some of the sounds sounds so complex that I couldn't believe it was possible. Very Deep Indeed! Buying the patches when u'r done. :)
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Hi Razmo
Thanks for sharing your sounds and ideas.
Could you possibly say a little more about using an envelope to feedback into one of its own parameters please? I've not got my head around this, and when experimenting I'm not finding I hear a difference, so any further explanation would be much appreciated thank you.
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Hi Razmo
Thanks for sharing your sounds and ideas.
Could you possibly say a little more about using an envelope to feedback into one of its own parameters please? I've not got my head around this, and when experimenting I'm not finding I hear a difference, so any further explanation would be much appreciated thank you.
It's a rather simple trick... in the mod matrix, you choose the envelope you want to change, for example the AUX envelope 3, and choose this as the modulation source... the modulation destination can be any of the envelopes own attack, decay or release parameters, depending on which you want to change (usually it's the decay parameter)... the modulation amount decides if you want a downward sloping curve or upward sloping curve... positive amounts make it downwards, and negative amount makes it upwards.
When you have set that one mod matrix assignment up, you need to set envelope 3's destination to whatever parameter you want to affect... if it's for snappy basses, you'd want to set it to control the cutoff, if it's a snappy kick drum it's an oscillator's pitch you'd want to control etc.
Just remember to experiment with the envelopes parameters, as these will influence how the feedback curve will be... a rule of thumb is, that if you have say; decay set to the value 64, then the mod matrix amount should not exceed exactly that number... because you will not get any change above that value then.
example envelope 3:
1. Mod Matrix slot 1: Source Env3, Destination Env3Decay, amount -64 to +64
2. Envelope 3 destination: Osc3Pitch
3. Envelope 3 attack 0, decay 64, sustain 0, release 20
4. Envelope 3 amount at anything between 1 and maximum depending on how much modulation you want on the pitch.
now experiment with the mod matrix slot 1's amount between -64 to +64, and notice the result.
you do not need to use envelope 3 of course... the filter and amp envelopes can also be used, and they are allready routed to the cutoff and volume which means you could omit step .2 above in those cases.
This feedback trick is crucial for snappy basses and especially snappy kick drums.
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It's a rather simple trick... in the mod matrix, you choose the envelope you want to change, for example the AUX envelope 3, and choose this as the modulation source... the modulation destination can be any of the envelopes own attack, decay or release parameters, depending on which you want to change (usually it's the decay parameter)... the modulation amount decides if you want a downward sloping curve or upward sloping curve... positive amounts make it downwards, and negative amount makes it upwards.
When you have set that one mod matrix assignment up, you need to set envelope 3's destination to whatever parameter you want to affect... if it's for snappy basses, you'd want to set it to control the cutoff, if it's a snappy kick drum it's an oscillator's pitch you'd want to control etc.
Just remember to experiment with the envelopes parameters, as these will influence how the feedback curve will be... a rule of thumb is, that if you have say; decay set to the value 64, then the mod matrix amount should not exceed exactly that number... because you will not get any change above that value then.
example envelope 3:
1. Mod Matrix slot 1: Source Env3, Destination Env3Decay, amount -64 to +64
2. Envelope 3 destination: Osc3Pitch
3. Envelope 3 attack 0, decay 64, sustain 0, release 20
4. Envelope 3 amount at anything between 1 and maximum depending on how much modulation you want on the pitch.
now experiment with the mod matrix slot 1's amount between -64 to +64, and notice the result.
you do not need to use envelope 3 of course... the filter and amp envelopes can also be used, and they are allready routed to the cutoff and volume which means you could omit step .2 above in those cases.
This feedback trick is crucial for snappy basses and especially snappy kick drums.
Excellent - thank you. So it's mainly a technique for snappiness?
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It's a rather simple trick... in the mod matrix, you choose the envelope you want to change, for example the AUX envelope 3, and choose this as the modulation source... the modulation destination can be any of the envelopes own attack, decay or release parameters, depending on which you want to change (usually it's the decay parameter)... the modulation amount decides if you want a downward sloping curve or upward sloping curve... positive amounts make it downwards, and negative amount makes it upwards.
When you have set that one mod matrix assignment up, you need to set envelope 3's destination to whatever parameter you want to affect... if it's for snappy basses, you'd want to set it to control the cutoff, if it's a snappy kick drum it's an oscillator's pitch you'd want to control etc.
Just remember to experiment with the envelopes parameters, as these will influence how the feedback curve will be... a rule of thumb is, that if you have say; decay set to the value 64, then the mod matrix amount should not exceed exactly that number... because you will not get any change above that value then.
example envelope 3:
1. Mod Matrix slot 1: Source Env3, Destination Env3Decay, amount -64 to +64
2. Envelope 3 destination: Osc3Pitch
3. Envelope 3 attack 0, decay 64, sustain 0, release 20
4. Envelope 3 amount at anything between 1 and maximum depending on how much modulation you want on the pitch.
now experiment with the mod matrix slot 1's amount between -64 to +64, and notice the result.
you do not need to use envelope 3 of course... the filter and amp envelopes can also be used, and they are allready routed to the cutoff and volume which means you could omit step .2 above in those cases.
This feedback trick is crucial for snappy basses and especially snappy kick drums.
Excellent - thank you. So it's mainly a technique for snappiness?
Mostly yes, but I also use it the other way around with the curve being upward logarithmic... I use this mostly on the amp envelope so that the volume stay high for a longer period befor it start to curve downward fast... That is useful on basses where you want the tail of the sound to be loud, thus making the tail more boomy... But it can be used for other things as well once in a while. You could perhaps compare the downward logarithic curve with a compressor, and the upward curve with an expander... Sort of...
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Thanks again- I will have an experiment
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http://razmo.ziphoid.com/SoftBrass.mp3
Made a rather standard analog soft brass type sound today... nothing special about this one... it uses both layers though with all four oscillator at the same time for an extra fat texture.
Great sounding brass, looking forward to the whole bank.
Rev2 is a keeper and I gotta say, I completely lost interest for the One since some of its design decisions are dumbfounding (5 audible cheap fans in a synth this expensive), and also wasn't that keen on the core tone.
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Having been reading you for long before owning DSI instruments, I'm also looking forward to purchasing your Rev2 patches. Thank you.
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Razmo! Your upcoming patchbank contains the most inspiring sounds i heard for a long time. You really get the most out of this synth. Appreciate the effort you lay on every sound. its so subtle, organic and delicate. Very skillful. Looking forward to by this when its ready. Keep up the good work 8)
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New program called "Starchild"
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/Starchild.mp3
It's an ambient sound for sure, using two layers... one does the tonal part with a hell of a lot of modulation going on (too complicated to explain it right now)... it's covered in a heavy dose of stereo delay... the stereo delay is perfect for getting very wide sounds with depth and stereo perspective if you make sure that the pan position is modulated in realtime... this makes the reflections bounce from left to right (ping pong)... with a long enough delay, the whole tone starts to "melt" into a wall of sound :)
The other layer is responsible for the "star sounds"... again a heavily modulated sound which is too complicated to explain, but in short I'm using the LFO's to do the panning, pitch changes and even the filter and amp modulation... this way I can use the filter envelope and amp envelope for a kind of global contour shapers... this is done so that when i release the keys, the "stars" keep "pinging" while they die out... a heavy dose of reverb with the hipass filter cranked almost all the way up makes sure the "stars" are unobtrusive and delicate :)
So... what you hear in the demo is 100% REV2... no external reverb used on this one... i want these programs to be as playable and good sounding right out of the box as possible :)
The program is also very dynamic... the complex modulations can be changed via Modwheel/FootPedal... the more you modulate, the faster the modulations... this is VERY important to me in all my programs... they have to be absolutely meant for live playing, so that you can constantly evolve the sounds... when I record ambient music i record every track live, and thus performing some evolving soundscapes is crucial to what I want to be able to do with these programs.
The way I'm creating the bank of sounds is that i make sure that the ModWheel and FootPedal both control exactly the same modulation... this is done for more than one reason, the first being that not all have a pedal to use, and they should be able to use the modwheel instead... on many programs it's advisable to use a footpedal though, simply because it frees both of your hands to play, and still make evolving modulations to the sound with your foot... you cannot do that as well using the modwheel unless the sound is monophonic... the second reason is that I want the sounds to be as simple to understand as possible... each program is designed with ONE modulation in mind... simple.
Aftertouch is mostly used for one purpose only; pitch vibrato... and PitchWheel is normally routed only to pitch... velocity controls various aspects of the sounds as well, and if any, only VERY FEW programs do not use these modulation controls.
Most sounds use stacked mode, but can have their B layer switched off for more polyphony, or switching off FX (many of my programs use layer B as sort of an FX layer)... all programs was designed with just layer A in mind... perfecting this layer to sound as good as possible on it's own... after this, layer B is added for extra stuff that enhance or complement layer A... thus, in most cases, layer A alone will always sound good... this can be handy for some programs if 8 voices in stacked mode is too little for some reason... and then you can simply use external FX instead to spice things up.
A picture that fits the demo has been attached to this post :)
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New program called "Starchild"
I'm deeply impressed by any of the previous presented patches and I don't want to comment every single one of them but in this case I must do it 8): This Starchild is really amazing and inspiring. Indeed, despite some firmware issues which could and should be optimized, the REV2 is VERY useful! Thanks for showing us the possibilities. Especially for me as synth beginner it helps a lot! :)
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New program called "Starchild"
I'm deeply impressed by any of the previous presented patches and I don't want to comment every single one of them but in this case I must do it 8): This Starchild is really amazing and inspiring. Indeed, despite some firmware issues which could and should be optimized, the REV2 is VERY useful! Thanks for showing us the possibilities. Especially for me as synth beginner it helps a lot! :)
Yep... there are a few issues i have as well, but I'd say that the most bad issues have been fixed by now, so it is an impressive synth... the more you dig, the more you find out it can do... I have to admit that i never thought myself, that I'd ged these timbres out of it, even without external FX... and I feel there are seriously many other possibilities I've not even dealt with yet... I'm beginning to wonder what I could do with a Prophet 12 and Prophet X... some day I'll find out :)
Regarding "Starchild" I can hear this morning that the "stars" are probably a bit too present, especially when the modulations are slow in the beginning, so I'll have a little experiment with some volume changes in the randomization of these... many times, I hear the imperfections after a good nights sleep :)
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many times, I hear the imperfections after a good nights sleep :)
I know what you mean, working a long time at the same stuff makes us kind of "blind" and after having a bit distance you will see some things clearer.
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I wouldn't alter it... sound amazing!! I really like the glassy pings in beginning. Just wondering, are your modulations for realtime control mapped to footpedal parameter or breath? I've got a bank I've been working on, about half way full, but I've been using "breath" (cc2) as my main source for morphing sounds. Have been maxing out the mod matrix on many patches.. I'm sure you've hit the wall on many of these as well.
Regarding "Starchild" I can hear this morning that the "stars" are probably a bit too present, especially when the modulations are slow in the beginning, so I'll have a little experiment with some volume changes in the randomization of these... many times, I hear the imperfections after a good nights sleep :)
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I wouldn't alter it... sound amazing!! I really like the glassy pings in beginning. Just wondering, are your modulations for realtime control mapped to footpedal parameter or breath? I've got a bank I've been working on, about half way full, but I've been using "breath" (cc2) as my main source for morphing sounds. Have been maxing out the mod matrix on many patches.. I'm sure you've hit the wall on many of these as well.
Regarding "Starchild" I can hear this morning that the "stars" are probably a bit too present, especially when the modulations are slow in the beginning, so I'll have a little experiment with some volume changes in the randomization of these... many times, I hear the imperfections after a good nights sleep :)
I do not have a breath controller at the moment... I wanted to make the bank usable to as many as possible, so I'm controlling ONE modulation with both modwheel and footpedal... i just prefer the footpedal because it will free my hands to play the sound polyphonically...
I just did some change to the sound (the link above has been overwritten with a new version), but I still have the old one stored, just in case I may regret changing it... the new one is slightly more playable for melodic lines, where the other one was more of a wall of sound smearing... but both can be useful, so I might just include them both... I'll see about that later :)
The mod slots being used up? oh yes... plenty a time... this is actually why i asked SCI to make the pedal assignment also go to ModWheel, so that I am free from having to use twice the amount of slots to route my ONE modulation to both ModWheel and FootPedal... but they did not really seem to care much about my request so I'll just have to live with what is I guess :)
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@razmo, that’s a beautiful patch.
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http://razmo.ziphoid.com/WarbleMadness.mp3
New ambient pad... "Warble Madness".
This one is a derivative of "StarChild"... a weird warbling thing with a lot of motion goin' on and definitely something for something spacy. May need a little touch up, but my ears are exhausted for today, so I'll figure that out tomorrow.
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Time for some Dark Space Ambient tones... this one is 100% REV2 and called "Dead Space" :)
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/DeadSpace.mp3
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Time for some Dark Space Ambient tones... this one is 100% REV2 and called "Dead Space" :)
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/DeadSpace.mp3
Fantastic patch Razmo!
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Time for some Dark Space Ambient tones... this one is 100% REV2 and called "Dead Space" :)
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/DeadSpace.mp3
Sounds great - like a massive dirty space freighter passing by.
On a clip like that, how much are you 'playing it' vs letting the modulation take its course?
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Time for some Dark Space Ambient tones... this one is 100% REV2 and called "Dead Space" :)
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/DeadSpace.mp3
Sounds amazing, felt like I was back on the USG Ishimura for a while there :)
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Time for some Dark Space Ambient tones... this one is 100% REV2 and called "Dead Space" :)
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/DeadSpace.mp3
Sounds great - like a massive dirty space freighter passing by.
On a clip like that, how much are you 'playing it' vs letting the modulation take its course?
This program sounds different depending on what keys you press so i am holding some random chords and also transposing the keybord a few times... In addition, the modwheel/pedal control the intensity of the static noise element that i modulate during the playing... The rest is done by the synth engine... Most longterm evolvings on my programs are done by playing and modulation from wheel/pedal :)
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A weird sound FX made today... not perfectly satisfied with it, but it's closing in :) ... inspiration came from my stomach, so no pictures (lucky you).
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/Cauldron.mp3
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Time for some Dark Space Ambient tones... this one is 100% REV2 and called "Dead Space" :)
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/DeadSpace.mp3
Yeah, that is lovely. It's reminiscent of so many sounds from prog rock songs with massive build ups (I'm hearing a lot of Yes in there), but it doesn't sound like anything specifically.
It's just lush.
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A weird sound FX made today... not perfectly satisfied with it, but it's closing in :) ... inspiration came from my stomach, so no pictures (lucky you).
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/Cauldron.mp3
The above demo of some bubbles have been updated... a little external reverb added because the Hipass filter is used on both layer FX to create this sound, so no possibility of using the REV2's own reverb unfortunately... sometimes I wish the REV2 had two FX per layer like the Prophet X.
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This one is rather hard to get right... the sound of a Thunderclap... but I think I'm getting closer... still a tad bit too "white noisy" in the attack, but I'm pretty satisfied with the decay... a few touch ups more, and i hope it's there :)
No external FX, just the REV2...
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/Thunderclap.mp3
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http://razmo.ziphoid.com/InfernalChoir.mp3
Another try at some choir sounds... :)
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That's the best choir patch I've heard from the Rev2. It sounds like a combination of two patches. How is it that they merge and separate at different times? Modulation wheel? Keyboard pressure?
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That's the best choir patch I've heard from the Rev2. It sounds like a combination of two patches. How is it that they merge and separate at different times? Modulation wheel? Keyboard pressure?
It's actually just a single layer... and as always with synths that have no way to control formants, the bass notes get more and more dull, sounding more like a kind of ensemble... but that seems to work well as a blend in... maybe that is what you can hear as "crossfade" (I think).
If it's the loud parts that are more staccato, then it's simply a matter of modulation via velocity... the more velocity, the more I open the filter, and also let in some sub oscillator to fatten it up (sounding a bit like if the males in the choir raise their voices)... also more vibrato is introduced as velocity goes up.
But the trick that gives this sort of "formant timbre" is in fact the build in reverb... it's actually 100% wet to be able to achieve this, and this is also why the sound is a bit "smeared" and "dark"... and also why the choir seems a bit more set in the background...
It's not perfect... and it never will be on an analog synthesizer unless SCI introduce a formant filter of some kind... on a per voice basis... but with other sounds playing at the same time, the imperfections is easier to hide, and the way it sounds also lets it sit well in the background not being too obtrusive... so the limitations can also have their advantage :)
hope that clarifies a bit... creating this patch required serious minute tweaks to A LOT of parameters to sound "just right"... it involves both resonance, audio mod, reverb and a lot of other things including parameters that require change according to key position...
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Alright... a new program from today: Little Mermaid :)
Again we have 100% REV2... no external FX
This was program number 80... 48 to go...
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/LittleMermaid.mp3
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Wow, Razmo, your patches are really beautiful. I just got my Rev2, and these surely inspire me. I hope I'll be at that level of sound design at one point! Keep up the good work, it's really an inspiration, and thanks for sharing your knowledge. Best from Germany.
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I had to try and do this sound... I just had to, and those of you who know me from the past, know why :)
I've always been a fan of Jarre's first two albums, and I love that Eminent 310 Unique sound so much, especially with a real 70's Electro Harmonix Smallstone phaser on it... so here is my best attempt at recreating that sound on the REV2:
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/Prophet310U.mp3
Make no mistake, I KNOW it won't beat or even sound fully like the real deal... I've had the 310U myself (the one I had is in the attached picture)... it's a crazy 70kg heavy monster that sounds like a reactor starting when it's turned on, and has a noisefloor above -40dB ... and it was a NIGHTMARE to keep alive.
I won't go into any technical details about why it's not possible to recreate that stringer sound on a lot of synths, but I can say as much that that ensemble effect is done by three delay lines, something not possible to do on many synths that easy... I simulate it by doing some special modulation of two oscillators acting like "delay lines"... so it's allready down by one delayline in comparison to the original.
Maybe i should just have named it "Prophet Stringer" ... still, I feel that this is the closest I'll get to the 310U.
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Talk about taking the Rev2 to beautifull far deep and wide spaces , Razmo great patches there , Im interested in the purchase of these patches too.
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I've always been a fan of Jarre's first two albums, and I love that Eminent 310 Unique sound so much
Speaking of Jarre: https://twitter.com/jeanmicheljarre/status/1061651132341280770
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http://razmo.ziphoid.com/Prophet310U.mp3
Sounds very good. I recognized the sound and its original source almost immediately.
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New ambient program... 100% REV2, no external FX as usual.
This one is called "Atlantis Rising" :)
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/AtlantisRising.mp3
I have begun layering layers from already existing programs to get new timbres... it's a hell of a lot faster creating new sounds when you've created about half a bank so that you have some layers to work with. This does not mean that it's simply a matter of throwing two layers together... you still have to tweak a lot of parameters to get them to "melt together" the right way... in most cases you cannot even hear that it's a merging of other layers from two different programs sine they are tweaked quite a bit to fit together.
This one was a mix from two earlier programs called "Little Mermaid" and "Heavens Gate"... the last patch, instead of sounding like the PAD it actually is, gets a totally different feel to it... in this case it sounds more like an incredibly lush reverb when layered with the "Little Mermaid" layer.
There are seriously many easy programs to obtain this way, and the REV2 way of browsing layers from the MISC menu is a godsent for trying out the raw layers first... when the right combi is found, it's simply a matter of requesting the edit buffer from my editor, and voila! ... ready for tweaking :)
oh... by the way... none of the two layers use a reverb at all ;) ... it's a flanger and a stereo delay.
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Working on getting some better bell tones out of the REV2 today:
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/MetalBell.mp3
Actually you can get really many convincing bell tones if you mix the two layers... one doing the long tonal release sound, while the other creates the short inharmonic transient hit of the bell... you don't need to make many hanges to the transient before the bell sound start to sound dramatically different :)
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Great sounds as always, Razmo!
Speaking of combining and tweaking different layers made me think of an iPad app I used to use when I had the P'08, Patch Morpher, it really was great for this purpose. Unfortunately the Rev2 doesn't seem to be supported, and it hasn't been updated since 2014, so probably not something to hope for. Great idea though, maybe someone will pick up and do something similar eventually...
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Your Eminent patch is pretty spot on, Razmo. Great work !
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Great sounds as always, Razmo!
Speaking of combining and tweaking different layers made me think of an iPad app I used to use when I had the P'08, Patch Morpher, it really was great for this purpose. Unfortunately the Rev2 doesn't seem to be supported, and it hasn't been updated since 2014, so probably not something to hope for. Great idea though, maybe someone will pick up and do something similar eventually...
Funny, because yesterday I was thinking about asking for a feature update in the feature thread about an option to randomly put together two layers from any program in the bank memories... simply to try out different combinations quickly... it would be cool for sound designers... a more in depth feature would be one that randomly takes different sections from different programs and merge them together... like Oscillators, LFOs, Filter, Amplifier, Effect etc... making a random program generator this way would probably make the sounds more useful since the parameter usually have sane settings when merged in groups... of course there will always be the need for touch-up and refinement, but it would give sound designers a fast way to come up with more useful programs... some of the latest programs I've done was done by layering from different programs, and I find that these sounds are some of the better ones I've done actually.
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http://razmo.ziphoid.com/GoldenDragon.mp3
This is a try into making a Koto like program... i call this one "Golden Dragon"... it's not finished, and still need some FX on layer B... otherwise it's 100% REV2 again.
I've been creating quite a few plucked sounds by now actually, but keep coming up with new plucked timbres from time to time, and they are very useful for fantasy ambient music.
Sorry for the haphazard live playing... it's just a demo :)
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Here's another one... i call it "Ice Harp": http://razmo.ziphoid.com/IceHarp.mp3
Again this is a combined program... the "ice glitter" taken from an earlier program and changed a bit, and the previous "Golden Dragon" program, also changed to sound different... this time there is a bit of Übermod reverb on the demo, otherwise all REV2.
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How much do you use FM in your patches?
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How much do you use FM in your patches?
I'd say... all the time :) ... the FM of the resonant filter is one of the reason the REV2 can do so many strange sounds.
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Could you elaborate on that? Cuz when i try to use FM, it just goes crazy really fast. I dont feel i can reliably controll it.....
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Could you elaborate on that? Cuz when i try to use FM, it just goes crazy really fast. I dont feel i can reliably controll it.....
First off you need to make sure that your REV2 is properly calibrated regarding the filters... turn on your REV2, and let it be on for half an hour before you do a calibration... this ensures that the filter can be played and is in tune. this is crucial!
When that has been done, make sure that oscillator 2 is OFF, and that the OscMix parameter is set to only play oscillator 2...
Now set the cutoff to value 24 (a single value increase will advance the filter a semitone, and value 24 is a C).
now set resonance to max to get the filter to self oscillate...
now set keyfollow on the filter to 64 (that correspond to the filter following the keyboard properly).
if you now increase the Audio Mod parameter you'll hear the FM start to happen on the self resonating filter.. the modulator is oscillator 1, so you need to tweak oscillator 1's parameters as well as the filter cutoff and Audio Mod.
The reason oscillator 2 had to be off, and OscMix set to only hear osc2 is that you only want to hear the filter, and none of the oscillators... you can of course mix in any of the oscillators if you would like that.
Also be aware, that the filter FM can be quite unstable at some settings, so you really need to experiment with the different parameters. Also, a lot of the tricks used to get more out of it is to assign envelope 3 to AudioMod for example, or even oscillator 1's pitch... experiment is key.
It will take some practice to learn how to use the FM feature well, so just keep trying and you'll get there.
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That is awesome! Thank you for the elaborate explanation.
So if my oscillators were set to C# frequency, then the filter cutoff would need to be at 25, and it would work the same way?
I havent checked out the posibilities of using the self oscillating filter as a oscillator. I find it hard to find good and stable uses for it. But as you describe the combination of key tracking and cutoff point so that it matches the oscillators then i think it might be easier for me to use it in meaningful and controlled ways.
In generall i find the continuously variable key tracking to be hard to use (probably because im not proficient with it), because it sorta takes away the cutoff knobs function.....does this make sense? I mean, that when i turn the key track all the way up, its like opening the filter, and then the cutoff knob doesnt affect the filter as much anymore. I know its not like that, but thats the ferling i get when using it. Like im not in controll:p
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That is awesome! Thank you for the elaborate explanation.
So if my oscillators were set to C# frequency, then the filter cutoff would need to be at 25, and it would work the same way?
I havent checked out the posibilities of using the self oscillating filter as a oscillator. I find it hard to find good and stable uses for it. But as you describe the combination of key tracking and cutoff point so that it matches the oscillators then i think it might be easier for me to use it in meaningful and controlled ways.
In generall i find the continuously variable key tracking to be hard to use (probably because im not proficient with it), because it sorta takes away the cutoff knobs function.....does this make sense? I mean, that when i turn the key track all the way up, its like opening the filter, and then the cutoff knob doesnt affect the filter as much anymore. I know its not like that, but thats the ferling i get when using it. Like im not in controll:p
Yep... a single increase in cutoff represent a semitone... thus 36 is one octave higher, and 48 yet another. This makes using the self oscillating filter rather simple... many are complaining about the "1 semitone resolution" of the cutoff parameter, but that is probably because they are not building presets using FM ;) ...
About the self oscillating filter... it IS extremely stable actually (stable and in tune in more than an 8 octave range!)... so stable it can be used as a sine oscillator... the only thing you need to know is, that your REV2 must have warmed up for half an hour, then calibrated before it will be perfectly in tune... also remember, that when you then shut off your REV2 and come back to it later, YOU NEED TO LET IT WARM UP FOR HALF AN HOUR!!! that is crucial because the filters need to get "back in tune"... but i can asure you, that if you do what I said, you won't be having a problem with the self oscillating filter not being in tune... and please remember, that with very high Audio Mod values, you may run into some instability in the sound between the voices... that's just how it is with FM in the analog domain... it's hard to keep stable at very high values.
And about the keyfollow... yes... it may seem like the cutoff parameter do not have any effect when keytrack is increased... that is logical because the note values from the keyboard are actually added to the cutoff value... you have to think of the cutoff parameter as a "sine oscillator pitch control" when you use the filter in self oscillating mode... any modulation you do to the cutoff parameter via LFO, EG or Mod Matrix will be ADDED to the current value + the key note. Just keep experimenting with the cutoff parameter when the filter is in self oscillating mode and everything becomes much much clearer :) ... learn to use the keytrack parameter on your presets, it makes one hell of a difference to the tone because the filter open up the higher you play on the keys... this is an essential feature, otherwise your sound will start to get dull on the higher keys... this is ok for some sounds, but not for others... i use keytrack VERY OFTEN, but you usually have it set at either 0 or 64... rarely any in between and above.
Also remember that the filter will ONLY self oscillate when in 4pole mode... not 2pole.
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And another thing:
When using FM on the self oscillating filter which is in essence a sine wave, what waveform you choose to modulate it with on OSC1 will have a huge impact on the resulting sound... in normal oldschool Yamaha FM, you FM a sine carrier with a sine modulator... on the REV2, the carrier is the self oscillating filter sinewave, and the modulator is the oscillator 1 waveform... so if you want the closest FM to a two operator Yamaha FM synth, you should choose "Triangle" as the waveform for oscillator 1... that wave will give you the clearest and most "FM sounding" tones... Pulse, Saw/Tri and Sawtooth can also give good results, but they usually sound more harsh... also the Shape parameter can be used here to create other FM timbres.
The oscillator pitch control is also of huge importance as this is what will FM the filter... if you choose the same key here, as in the filter (a C on both for example), then the tone will usually be musically harmonic... if they differ you'll start to get very inharmonic timbres... this is how you create those bell'ish sounds... now start to modulate the pitch of an oscillator or cutoff and get crazy stuff... and now that you're at it... try to switch on Sync from oscillator 2 which is not doing anything anyway... that way you can make even more waveforms with oscillator 1, which then in turn can give even more FM timbres from modulating the filter.
Admitted... it can be confusing... and it does take time to master the FM on the REV2... you really need to know what you're doing, and be prepared to fiddle with very tiny adjustments to the parameters because even a single increase or decrease in a value can alter the sound dramatically, depending on the parameters in tandem... so get experimenting! ;)
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This is a bit weird... a strange eerie sound that end in what I would call the sound of a supernova, the death of a star... so i called this program "Death of a Sun" ... don't ask me what went into making this sound, i cannot answer it, i just tweaked parameters uncontrollably until something useful came along... can probably be used as a sound FX in some Space Ambient... or somethin' :)
Please note... this sound will get LOUD!!!
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/DeathOfASun.mp3
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http://razmo.ziphoid.com/FrozenTime.mp3
Another new program... tried to make the longest fake reverb I possibly could with the REV2... this is the result: "Frosen Time"
You could always use an external quality reverb, i know... but it's fun to see how much I can squeeze out of the REV2 on it's own. There is a few "clicks" in the demo because of the FX engine clipping... need to fix that...
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You are truly prolific! Great job!
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Here is a quick mashup of the last demo "Frozen Time", with some added other programs from earlier... just to demonstrate how they fit together in context... this demonstrates well what kind of music it is that i want to create with these sounds.
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/BankDemo.mp3
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Here is a quick mashup of the last demo "Frozen Time", with some added other programs from earlier... just to demonstrate how they fit together in context... this demonstrates well what kind of music it is that i want to create with these sounds.
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/BankDemo.mp3
That is gorgeous! How many tracks is that recording?
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Here is a quick mashup of the last demo "Frozen Time", with some added other programs from earlier... just to demonstrate how they fit together in context... this demonstrates well what kind of music it is that i want to create with these sounds.
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/BankDemo.mp3
Beautiful and cryptic. I'd be proud to put my own name to that.
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Razmo is deep and VERY capable :)
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Razmo is also very kind and supportive, giving long and precise descriptions when being asked about things :)
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Here is a quick mashup of the last demo "Frozen Time", with some added other programs from earlier... just to demonstrate how they fit together in context... this demonstrates well what kind of music it is that i want to create with these sounds.
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/BankDemo.mp3
That is gorgeous! How many tracks is that recording?
About 5-6 track layers :)
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Thank you for all the compliments... it means a lot, and is a great part of what makes me continue on with this bank, perfecting all and every sound to the best of my abilities.
With that said though, I must confess that having the bank ready for the first of december was perhaps a bit too confident... I still have 32 programs to make, and after that, I'm to finetune all 128 of them since some still lack programming for some of the physical controls (pressure, velocity, pedal, modwheel etc.)... a few also need to have something on the B layer since they currently only use layer A (it's my goal that every single program use both layers, with layer B being an "add on" that can easily be switched out if you need the extra polyphony, or want the added FX switched off... i want to utilize all the juice of the REV2 for every program, simple as that). The only thing that will remain empty is the poly sequencer data... this is simply because anybody would want to make their own sequences, and not use premade ones... there is no reason to have anything in there... but they will be cleared, and ready to go, so that you do not have to deal with that when you want to create a new sequence for a program (Sequential have still not fixed the problem with having to constantly copy sequence A to B via the misc menu if you use a stacked program).
So... I need a bit more time to finish this bank... also, december is a busy month, so I'll just say that it'll definitely be finished some day within december... I also need to make a thorough manual for listing the programs and describing them, and how to use them, as some of the programs won't come alive until you start moving controllers, and some even need to be used in a specific way that will need explanation. I may create this document AFTER the release of the bank though...
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Thank you for all the compliments... it means a lot, and is a great part of what makes me continue on with this bank, perfecting all and every sound to the best of my abilities.
With that said though, I must confess that having the bank ready for the first of december was perhaps a bit too confident... I still have 32 programs to make, and after that, I'm to finetune all 128 of them since some still lack programming for some of the physical controls (pressure, velocity, pedal, modwheel etc.)... a few also need to have something on the B layer since they currently only use layer A (it's my goal that every single program use both layers, with layer B being an "add on" that can easily be switched out if you need the extra polyphony, or want the added FX switched off... i want to utilize all the juice of the REV2 for every program, simple as that). The only thing that will remain empty is the poly sequencer data... this is simply because anybody would want to make their own sequences, and not use premade ones... there is no reason to have anything in there... but they will be cleared, and ready to go, so that you do not have to deal with that when you want to create a new sequence for a program (Sequential have still not fixed the problem with having to constantly copy sequence A to B via the misc menu if you use a stacked program).
So... I need a bit more time to finish this bank... also, december is a busy month, so I'll just say that it'll definitely be finished some day within december... I also need to make a thorough manual for listing the programs and describing them, and how to use them, as some of the programs won't come alive until you start moving controllers, and some even need to be used in a specific way that will need explanation. I may create this document AFTER the release of the bank though...
Not programming sequencer makes sense especially when it cannot be transposed (I struggle to find a usage for the sequencer, really sounds like a sound demo feature to me). But the gate sequencer has a lot more potential especially for sound design. Too bad it is so cumbersome to program. Is that something you plan to use in your bank?
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Thank you for all the compliments... it means a lot, and is a great part of what makes me continue on with this bank, perfecting all and every sound to the best of my abilities.
With that said though, I must confess that having the bank ready for the first of december was perhaps a bit too confident... I still have 32 programs to make, and after that, I'm to finetune all 128 of them since some still lack programming for some of the physical controls (pressure, velocity, pedal, modwheel etc.)... a few also need to have something on the B layer since they currently only use layer A (it's my goal that every single program use both layers, with layer B being an "add on" that can easily be switched out if you need the extra polyphony, or want the added FX switched off... i want to utilize all the juice of the REV2 for every program, simple as that). The only thing that will remain empty is the poly sequencer data... this is simply because anybody would want to make their own sequences, and not use premade ones... there is no reason to have anything in there... but they will be cleared, and ready to go, so that you do not have to deal with that when you want to create a new sequence for a program (Sequential have still not fixed the problem with having to constantly copy sequence A to B via the misc menu if you use a stacked program).
So... I need a bit more time to finish this bank... also, december is a busy month, so I'll just say that it'll definitely be finished some day within december... I also need to make a thorough manual for listing the programs and describing them, and how to use them, as some of the programs won't come alive until you start moving controllers, and some even need to be used in a specific way that will need explanation. I may create this document AFTER the release of the bank though...
Not programming sequencer makes sense especially when it cannot be transposed (I struggle to find a usage for the sequencer, really sounds like a sound demo feature to me). But the gate sequencer has a lot more potential especially for sound design. Too bad it is so cumbersome to program. Is that something you plan to use in your bank?
The gated sequencer is already in use on several programs, yes :) ... but not as much as I'd have liked... it's a nightmare to program it on the small display of the REV2, but I'm using my own editor that has all parameters on the screen at the same time, including the gated sequencer laid out in nice rows, so it's not hard for me to utilize it if I want to... actually having such an editor to create these sounds are part of the secret really ;) ... it saves a hell of a lot of time programming, and gives a much better overview of your program (see attached picture of my editor screen).
About the Poly Sequencer... I could have programmed in some sequences, but who would want to use other peoples melodylines, especially when everyone has access to them? ... it makes no sense for anything but (as you say) demoing the synth... but with that said, the poly sequencer is still very much useful, especially if you use your synth standalone without sequencing it from a DAW (like I intend on doing)... it allow you you quickly play in short sequenes that you can then quickly tailor via the frontpanel, and tweak in realtime... I'll be doing just that when I start on making music... I record each track one by one in layers in my DAW (just the audio), so I can tweak and twist knobs on those sequences running for a lot more expressive feel to them... and some melodylines just NEED to be tightly quantized (especially percussion and bassnotes/arp lines)... so both the poly sequencer and arpeggiator is very very important to me.
By the way... you can transpose the poly sequencer, it's just a bit circumstancial... hold the "Record" button in the sequencer section while pressing a key and it will transpose... it's not as good for live use as you would want though.
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By the way... you can transpose the poly sequencer, it's just a bit circumstancial... hold the "Record" button in the sequencer section while pressing a key and it will transpose... it's not as good for live use as you would want though.
That's one for the tips and tricks section!
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Did you programm this editor all by yourself, or did you have some code available to start from? Because I can read 'adapted by ...' in the picture...
The editor looks very nice. Very simple, but you really see everything at once. Seems like a stupid question, but with selfmade stuff you never know: does it work bidirectional? If you change values on the Rev2 itself, does it show the changes in the editor immediately? I usually don't use any software editors, but this one looks really nice for "just monitoring" what is going on... and programming the gated sequencer ;-)
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Did you programm this editor all by yourself, or did you have some code available to start from? Because I can read 'adapted by ...' in the picture...
The editor looks very nice. Very simple, but you really see everything at once. Seems like a stupid question, but with selfmade stuff you never know: does it work bidirectional? If you change values on the Rev2 itself, does it show the changes in the editor immediately? I usually don't use any software editors, but this one looks really nice for "just monitoring" what is going on... and programming the gated sequencer ;-)
The editor was made by creating an adaption for the program, and yes I made it myself. It is a very old program made by Emagic called Sounddiver... It is not supported anymore, it was ended in 2002 I think, and has quite a few limitations and quirks these days... Graphics very outdated... But it still allow for creating editors for a lot of synths, and Sequential MIDI specs are usually very easy to implement... Unfortunately the program cannot be bought anymore, so you have to rely on a cracked old version to use it... I have made many editors with this, and could not live without it. But if anyone have sounddiver and use it still, just ask and you can have the adaption free of charge... I also have editors for Prophet 8, Prophet 12, Tempest (sound edit only), Poly Evolver, Desktop Evolver... I may even still have for Mopho and Tetra as well.
Bidirectional functionality... Yes, but as far as I recall, that part is buggy and can make the program crash... Anyway, I never use bidirectional functionality because I would rather just use the editor when designing my sounds.
Another great use of Sounddiver is that it allow for memory management. I can copy and paste programs freely about the REV2 memories, even into the factory ones, but it also have a good librarian feature so that you can audition programs on the fly while browsing huge libraries.
It is really a shame this program was discontinued... I would really like to see this program in a modern version...
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Did you programm this editor all by yourself, or did you have some code available to start from? Because I can read 'adapted by ...' in the picture...
The editor looks very nice. Very simple, but you really see everything at once. Seems like a stupid question, but with selfmade stuff you never know: does it work bidirectional? If you change values on the Rev2 itself, does it show the changes in the editor immediately? I usually don't use any software editors, but this one looks really nice for "just monitoring" what is going on... and programming the gated sequencer ;-)
The editor was made by creating an adaption for the program, and yes I made it myself. It is a very old program made by Emagic called Sounddiver... It is not supported anymore, it was ended in 2002 I think, and has quite a few limitations and quirks these days... Graphics very outdated... But it still allow for creating editors for a lot of synths, and Sequential MIDI specs are usually very easy to implement... Unfortunately the program cannot be bought anymore, so you have to rely on a cracked old version to use it... I have made many editors with this, and could not live without it. But if anyone have sounddiver and use it still, just ask and you can have the adaption free of charge... I also have editors for Prophet 8, Prophet 12, Tempest (sound edit only), Poly Evolver, Desktop Evolver... I may even still have for Mopho and Tetra as well.
Bidirectional functionality... Yes, but as far as I recall, that part is buggy and can make the program crash... Anyway, I never use bidirectional functionality because I would rather just use the editor when designing my sounds.
Another great use of Sounddiver is that it allow for memory management. I can copy and paste programs freely about the REV2 memories, even into the factory ones, but it also have a good librarian feature so that you can audition programs on the fly while browsing huge libraries.
It is really a shame this program was discontinued... I would really like to see this program in a modern version...
Just found this http://ctrlr.org/
Definitely worth some investigation over the WE
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Yes and ctrlr already has a panel for the old p08 iv been trying to decipher and convert it but its a little beyond me some help would definitely be appreciated
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That looks indeed very interesting. I will try that on the weekend...
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For those who have an iPad there's also an app called TB Midi Stuff, on which I've made a Rev2 editor. I created it mainly for easier editing of the gated sequencer (for me the biggest setback of the Rev2 compared to Prophet '08), but once that was completed I just kept adding the rest of the stuff. What isn't there yet is the Global parameters, but otherwise I believe it's all there. And it's bidirectional.
It also lacks patch transfer compatibility, completely. So in my case I have to save a "Canvas Snapshot" for each patch I make, in case I want to edit that particular patch later. Not that hard, I just name the snapshot the same as the patch. I'd like to upload it somewhere, if anyone knows a good, free way to do so, please let me know.
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I'd like to upload it somewhere, if anyone knows a good, free way to do so, please let me know.
Great work, thanks a lot for sharing! Why not attaching it to your posting here in the forum? It allows zip files for example.
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http://razmo.ziphoid.com/PlanetRings.mp3
New program: "Planet Rings"
This one was an imitation of a program I once had on a Waldorf Microwave synth... trying to simulate it as much as possible... I always imagined deep space when I listened to that sound, so that's the reason for the name here.
Just REV2... nothing else.
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http://razmo.ziphoid.com/PlanetRings.mp3
New program: "Planet Rings"
This one was an imitation of a program I once had on a Waldorf Microwave synth... trying to simulate it as much as possible... I always imagined deep space when I listened to that sound, so that's the reason for the name here.
Just REV2... nothing else.
Another good one Razmo. Love that the patch-bank is going in an ambient direction.
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http://razmo.ziphoid.com/PlanetRings.mp3
New program: "Planet Rings"
This one was an imitation of a program I once had on a Waldorf Microwave synth... trying to simulate it as much as possible... I always imagined deep space when I listened to that sound, so that's the reason for the name here.
Just REV2... nothing else.
Another good one Razmo. Love that the patch-bank is going in an ambient direction.
Thanks :) ... well, the ambient approach was the whole idea to begin with because i need those sounds myself :) ... my newly purchased Tempest will also be my focus for a more ambient style kind of soundbank ... I might be trying out some Tribal Ambient in the future, so I'll need some percussion of sorts...
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Thanks :) ... well, the ambient approach was the whole idea to begin with because i need those sounds myself :) ... my newly purchased Tempest will also be my focus for a more ambient style kind of soundbank ... I might be trying out some Tribal Ambient in the future, so I'll need some percussion of sorts...
Tribal Ambient is a great idea.
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This one is not yet finished, but I'm already rather impressed with it... I think this is the closest I've heard a bowed instrument synthesized on an analog synth... it's 100% REV2 and funnily enough, it was an older preset i simply changed the attack and release times on, and unexpetedly this bowed sound came forth... it's originally the preset i called "Golden Dragon" and was a simulation of a koto like plucked string... so I'm going to go thru all of my recent plucked string instruments now and see how many new bowed sounds i can get...
this sound is just so extremely organic and VERY dynamic to play with... i did a few changes like making the attack speed up the harder you hit the keys to simulate faster playing of a bowed instrument and it worked absolutely amazing... pressure and footpedal assigned to introduce vibrato and you got one hell of an expressive sound here :)
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/SilverDragon.mp3
I'm not sure about the name "Silver Dragon" yet, it's just a temporary name.
I can also see now, that with all those plucked string sounds i already have that sound different, I'll probably have to include a new sound category; Bowed Instruments
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Wow, that was REALLY amazing, you've reached yet another dimension on the Rev2! I'm very much impressed with everything you've done previously as well, but this one is just beyond anything I've ever heard from an analog synth. Is it a stacked program, or only a single patch? I think this could be one of few instances where patches on an 8-voice Rev2 could be advantageous, as the note stealing could potentially simulate the authenticity of having a 4-stringed instrument.
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Wow, that was REALLY amazing, you've reached yet another dimension on the Rev2! I'm very much impressed with everything you've done previously as well, but this one is just beyond anything I've ever heard from an analog synth. Is it a stacked program, or only a single patch? I think this could be one of few instances where patches on an 8-voice Rev2 could be advantageous, as the note stealing could potentially simulate the authenticity of having a 4-stringed instrument.
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It's just a single layer :) ... But I have plans on trying to create a monophonic version too that could utilize portamento to maybe make it even more expressive... On a normal bowed instrument you can play only one string at a time anyway... I just chose this one to be polyphonic so you could play a little ensemble if you wanted :)
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The demo above "Silver Dragon" has been updated... i did quite some changes to the program :)
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It's just a single layer :) ... But I have plans on trying to create a monophonic version too that could utilize portamento to maybe make it even more expressive... On a normal bowed instrument you can play only one string at a time anyway... I just chose this one to be polyphonic so you could play a little ensemble if you wanted :)
"Normal" bowed instruments, yes. This made me think of an instrument I really enjoyed playing a couple of years ago, the Psaltery, which produces a slightly haunting, ambient sound. I used to sample it as well, to be able to play chords and such. But either way the instrument has such a long sustain/release, that even if just using a single bow, the notes linger some time after release, so that each note and their various harmonics blend together nicely. As you seem to know how to simulate the bowing of strings well on the Rev2, the Psaltery may be interesting for further patch inspiration, perhaps?
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It's just a single layer :) ... But I have plans on trying to create a monophonic version too that could utilize portamento to maybe make it even more expressive... On a normal bowed instrument you can play only one string at a time anyway... I just chose this one to be polyphonic so you could play a little ensemble if you wanted :)
"Normal" bowed instruments, yes. This made me think of an instrument I really enjoyed playing a couple of years ago, the Psaltery, which produces a slightly haunting, ambient sound. I used to sample it as well, to be able to play chords and such. But either way the instrument has such a long sustain/release, that even if just using a single bow, the notes linger some time after release, so that each note and their various harmonics blend together nicely. As you seem to know how to simulate the bowing of strings well on the Rev2, the Psaltery may be interesting for further patch inspiration, perhaps?
Just listened to a bowed Psalter i youtube, and making the notes linger is not a problem at all, it's just the release times that need to be longer... maybe a bit of modulating the AMp envelope back into itself to get the right curve (I can hear that the lingering sounds a bit like a lingering reverb)... it's easy to do ... the problem would be to get that tinny timbre the Psalter has, but I'll give it a shot.
You have to remember though, that a REV2 analog synth is not a proper device to emulate acoustic instruments, it's better aimed at making "acoustic like" sounds... or more organic sounding emulations... none of the emulations I've done is 100% correct... they resemble some of the acoustic character, so hitting the exact tone of a Psalter may not be possible... but maybe i can get close :)
Anyway this was my intention from the beginning... not to make my sounds a mission in recreating a particular acoustic instrument, but rather induce some organic timbres into my programs... much of what makes a good acoustic representation is to emulate an acoustic instruments inaccuracy... but also induce some of the resonant characteristiscs (probably even more important)... so even if i do a Psalter, then it might very well have different resonant characteristics, simply because of the REV2's limitations.
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Wow. Silver Dragon sounds amazing!
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My thoughts exactly, I only meant as a possible source of inspiration for sound design.
Routing an envelope to the audio mod, with fast decay and faster attack, could perhaps provide for emulating the quite harsh attack portion of the bowing. I found it best playing with headphones and the psaltery mic'd up through an LPF (and some reverb of course), so making a psaltery patch sound "authentic" in this regard would not be something to strive for anyhow! :)
Nevertheless, with the high frequencies rolled off, the onset attack is quite interesting, the tone is quite flat for a couple ms, like minus 30 cents or so I believe, and unstable like an lfo to the slop parameter. This portion gets longer, the softer you use the bow. And you kind of have to start bowing every tone gently, otherwise the high frequencies (it has REALLY high harmonic overtones) stabs you in the ears. Like a knife grinding a plate, that kind.
Quite interesting instrument actually, not "hard" to play in the typical sense, but yet really hard to play well, and very sensitive.
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A bunch of new programs today... I'm now at 96 programs, so I'm exactly 3/4 done with the bank :)
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/VariousStringed.mp3
There are four programs in the demo:
1. "Hobbit Piano" ... my try at getting something that resembles a "piano"... don't sound like it at all in the lower register... it's more like a hybrid Piano-Harp, whatever that is, but it's organic enough to be a fantasy instrument :)
2. "Fast Bow" ... a weird bowed sound that is rather aggressive... still organic and unique enough.
3. "Princess' Bow" .. a simulation of a simple violin.
4. "Dark Bow" .. a darker version of the above, with more resemblance of a cello.
These programs are some of my better at organic sounds, giving accoustic "touches" in timbre... I'm still perplexed that the REV2 can fire these off... 100% REV2, nothing else.
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Still perfecting the piano/harp like sound "Hobbit Piano":
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/HobbitPiano.mp3
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A new sound today... I wanted as close to a Guitar sound as possible, and this will be as close as i can get I think.
"Horizon Guitar"
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/HorizonGuitar.mp3
This time I've added some external reverb (Übermod) ... I wanted all 16 voices of polyphony for this one, and one of the secrets to sounds that has a "boxed resonant character" to them is in fact the Hipass Filter FX, as it allows to somehow magically enhance some frequencies when it is mixed with the original sound... I use this on both plucked, bowed and chromatic sounds (bells)... it makes one hell of a difference.
So there is no way to put any reverb on this program except for externally.
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A new sound today... I wanted as close to a Guitar sound as possible, and this will be as close as i can get I think.
"Horizon Guitar"
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/HorizonGuitar.mp3
This time I've added some external reverb (Übermod) ... I wanted all 16 voices of polyphony for this one, and one of the secrets to sounds that has a "boxed resonant character" to them is in fact the Hipass Filter FX, as it allows to somehow magically enhance some frequencies when it is mixed with the original sound... I use this on both plucked, bowed and chromatic sounds (bells)... it makes one hell of a difference.
So there is no way to put any reverb on this program except for externally.
Lovely sound. As I’m playing guitar myself, one thought would be to have a little more sustain whilst the key is pressed so that some tones could ring out more as in real playing. Vibrato could be engaged by pressure with intensity through the mod wheel. This is really a killer sound. Maybe a tiny bit to harsh on the hi frequencies. The lows are wonderful and very precis soundvise. God work razmo as always 😊
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A new sound today... I wanted as close to a Guitar sound as possible, and this will be as close as i can get I think.
"Horizon Guitar"
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/HorizonGuitar.mp3
This time I've added some external reverb (Übermod) ... I wanted all 16 voices of polyphony for this one, and one of the secrets to sounds that has a "boxed resonant character" to them is in fact the Hipass Filter FX, as it allows to somehow magically enhance some frequencies when it is mixed with the original sound... I use this on both plucked, bowed and chromatic sounds (bells)... it makes one hell of a difference.
So there is no way to put any reverb on this program except for externally.
Lovely sound. As I’m playing guitar myself, one thought would be to have a little more sustain whilst the key is pressed so that some tones could ring out more as in real playing. Vibrato could be engaged by pressure with intensity through the mod wheel. This is really a killer sound. Maybe a tiny bit to harsh on the hi frequencies. The lows are wonderful and very precis soundvise. God work razmo as always 😊
Funny you mention this because I just had a conversation with someone who found it would be better if I dropped the reference to actual instruments in my program names, simply because people will start to try and hear for something that is not there... and i think that is exactly what you did too ;)
I actually never intended to make a bank of acoustic simulations... I like the place "in between" synthetic and acoustic in my sounds... like if it was non-real instruments from another world for example... i just like to have that organic "plucked" or "bowed" feeling in the sounds... sort of "hybrid".
Actually the sound was sounding more "perfect" to me when I had been sitting for two hours programming it... but now that I'm listening after a break, I can hear all the small details that make it not sound "real"... or as I'd like to put it: "different"... and that is actually fine with me, because it does not HAVE to sound like a guitar... it's a fantasy plucked instrument from another world to me :)
I hear you when it comes to the "sustained notes"... I'll try and look into that at some point, if not just on another program later on... sometimes it's a choice about what settings to use since more than one can be useful in different situations.
Also about the vibrato... that is something I'll look into (the sounds was in fact not 100% finished)... I already have vibrato routed to pressure, but the second half of the demo introduce it by foot pedal, and that was what was used, and I know it sounds unnatural as this usually sets in after the note is plucked... but I'll look into that when I run over the whole lot of programs later... a lot of my sounds currently lack controller assignments.
hope that clarifies a bit :)
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Also, most of these hybrid sounds has no way of being able to mimic the real instruments... the "body" of a stringed instrument's cabinet is a complex resonator with lots of "formant like" qualities, and simulating these on a REV2 is being a bit too enthusiastic really... no matter what hybrid sound I've made, they always seem to sit best at certain ranges of the keys, while the other ranges sound anything from slightly unrealistic to outright wrong... the later especially on choir imitations... but all sounds more or less suffer from this... and the REV2 simply do not have the sound sculpting capability to do it properly... so they will always end up being "hybrid sounds".
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A new sound today... I wanted as close to a Guitar sound as possible, and this will be as close as i can get I think.
"Horizon Guitar"
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/HorizonGuitar.mp3
This time I've added some external reverb (Übermod) ... I wanted all 16 voices of polyphony for this one, and one of the secrets to sounds that has a "boxed resonant character" to them is in fact the Hipass Filter FX, as it allows to somehow magically enhance some frequencies when it is mixed with the original sound... I use this on both plucked, bowed and chromatic sounds (bells)... it makes one hell of a difference.
So there is no way to put any reverb on this program except for externally.
Lovely sound. As I’m playing guitar myself, one thought would be to have a little more sustain whilst the key is pressed so that some tones could ring out more as in real playing. Vibrato could be engaged by pressure with intensity through the mod wheel. This is really a killer sound. Maybe a tiny bit to harsh on the hi frequencies. The lows are wonderful and very precis soundvise. God work razmo as always 😊
I have revised the sound a bit according to the sustain and other things... put a tiny bit of phaser on the sound on Layer B as well to simulate the very delicate motion that always seem to be on a real string when the different modes of vibration fluctuate up and down the string (a completely static tone in the decay makes it a bit unnatural, especially when the sound is played dry)... I had to find a compromise between the sustain and more plucked tone, and this is what I thought sounded the best when playing (I'm really picky when it comes to playability). Also, the name has now changed to "Horizon String", as to not induce in anyone to listen for a true guitar :)
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/HorizonString.mp3
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Funny you mention this because I just had a conversation with someone who found it would be better if I dropped the reference to actual instruments in my program names, simply because people will start to try and hear for something that is not there... and i think that is exactly what you did too ;)
I actually never intended to make a bank of acoustic simulations... I like the place "in between" synthetic and acoustic in my sounds... like if it was non-real instruments from another world for example... i just like to have that organic "plucked" or "bowed" feeling in the sounds... sort of "hybrid".
Actually the sound was sounding more "perfect" to me when I had been sitting for two hours programming it... but now that I'm listening after a break, I can hear all the small details that make it not sound "real"... or as I'd like to put it: "different"... and that is actually fine with me, because it does not HAVE to sound like a guitar... it's a fantasy plucked instrument from another world to me :)
I hear you when it comes to the "sustained notes"... I'll try and look into that at some point, if not just on another program later on... sometimes it's a choice about what settings to use since more than one can be useful in different situations.
Also about the vibrato... that is something I'll look into (the sounds was in fact not 100% finished)... I already have vibrato routed to pressure, but the second half of the demo introduce it by foot pedal, and that was what was used, and I know it sounds unnatural as this usually sets in after the note is plucked... but I'll look into that when I run over the whole lot of programs later... a lot of my sounds currently lack controller assignments.
hope that clarifies a bit :)
I was just taken of the organic sound that in my ears really sounded like a guitar and that you were able to accomplice these kinds of sounds on a REV 2. I really respect that these sounds not are simulations and that it’s not your intention. You were just so spot on this time :) I really have a hard time to get my own patches to sound right sometimes and here you come and program sounds on this synth I just couldn’t imagine. It just inspires!
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A new sound today... I wanted as close to a Guitar sound as possible, and this will be as close as i can get I think.
"Horizon Guitar"
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/HorizonGuitar.mp3
This time I've added some external reverb (Übermod) ... I wanted all 16 voices of polyphony for this one, and one of the secrets to sounds that has a "boxed resonant character" to them is in fact the Hipass Filter FX, as it allows to somehow magically enhance some frequencies when it is mixed with the original sound... I use this on both plucked, bowed and chromatic sounds (bells)... it makes one hell of a difference.
So there is no way to put any reverb on this program except for externally.
Lovely sound. As I’m playing guitar myself, one thought would be to have a little more sustain whilst the key is pressed so that some tones could ring out more as in real playing. Vibrato could be engaged by pressure with intensity through the mod wheel. This is really a killer sound. Maybe a tiny bit to harsh on the hi frequencies. The lows are wonderful and very precis soundvise. God work razmo as always 😊
I have revised the sound a bit according to the sustain and other things... put a tiny bit of phaser on the sound on Layer B as well to simulate the very delicate motion that always seem to be on a real string when the different modes of vibration fluctuate up and down the string (a completely static tone in the decay makes it a bit unnatural, especially when the sound is played dry)... I had to find a compromise between the sustain and more plucked tone, and this is what I thought sounded the best when playing (I'm really picky when it comes to playability). Also, the name has now changed to "Horizon String", as to not induce in anyone to listen for a true guitar :)
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/HorizonString.mp3
Nobody will believe that this sound came from a rev2. No idea how you did that.
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Outstanding! For me, this is one of your best. Checkbook standing by...
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http://razmo.ziphoid.com/VariousSounds.mp3
here is a demo of various sounds that I believe have not been posted before... maybe one or two have, but may have been slightly altered... some new sounds in there as well. Ambient, Strings, effects, plucked strings, choir... a bit of everything... some may need further editing... 100% REV2, no external FX.
"Atlantis Rising"
"Aeuphoria"
"Little Mermaid"
"Velvet Brass"
"Inharmonic Bell"
"Metal Bell"
"Rusty Bell"
"Temporal Stasis"
"Hobbit Piano"
"Golden Dragon"
"Horizon String"
"Ice Harp"
"Pulsing Quasar"
"Tiny Sequencer"
"Boiling Blood"
"Explosions"
"Kings Return!"
"Angel Choir"
"Highland Winds"
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Noice!!!
Really looking forward to buy the complete soundbank.
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http://razmo.ziphoid.com/Divinity.mp3
New program "Divinity" today... I need a few more PAD sounds in the bank, so that is what I've been focusing on today.
I've got many different categories in my bank that may be considered "PADS", simply because they have slow attack and release times, but I have divided them into several categories:
PAD: A sound that is generally non-motional, and meant to be played in chords... unobtrusive material for background filling. usually warm and fluffy.
AMB: A sound that has lots of motion to it... meant to be partially played in slower melody-lines and has strong sense of space and mood (or should be dipped heavily in e(x)ternal reverb).
STR: A sound that resembles a bright stringy sound. More present, has character.
DRO: A sound meant to be played continuously without pitch changes after a chord has been initiated. Usually dark and sinister in character or a sense of suspense.
VOC: A sound that has choir/formant like character... can be considered a "PAD" as well, but choir sounds are usually quite unique and moody, so they get their own category name in my bank.
...this is, by the way, program number 100 ... 28 to go still :)
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Wowzyz Razzy, that is a sweet ass pad I love the movement/humming about halfway through the clip!! Rad
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New FX sound... a weird one I called "Pika Critters"... weird and crazy FX sounds are always useful in Ambient music :)
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/PikaCritters.mp3
May still need to do some editing...
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http://razmo.ziphoid.com/PumpkinFields.mp3
This sound just suddenly popped out while I was doing something else... sounded so much like a famous Mellotron sound that I gave it the name "Pumpkin Fields" ;D
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Cool :D
Razmo!! Youneed to get a prophet 12 and make some nice patches with it!! The p12 community needs you :D
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Cool :D
Razmo!! Youneed to get a prophet 12 and make some nice patches with it!! The p12 community needs you :D
yeah... I'm sad I sold my P12 back then actually... it's on the list as the next purchase unless DSI show up at NAMM with it's successor... might still get a P12 though if it's successor lack some of the Prophet 12 functionality. we'll just have to wait and see... right now the next focus will be my new Tempest :)
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Working on a program inspired by Jarre's "Waiting for Cousteau" ...
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/WaitingForMe.mp3
called it "Waiting for Me" ... it has some external reverb on it, otherwise just REV2 :)
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Jesus... I hate when you sit and mess with a sound for hours, only to come back to it later and realize it does not sound anywhere near what you thought it did before leaving it :o
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/BaadSound.mp3
It was originally a sound intended to sound like some kind of "digital jungle" with frogs... now that I listen again, it sound more like someone having a bad stomach in blip-land ::)
I think it is so hillarious I'll let it stay in the bank nonetheless... maybe someone might need a digital jungle circuit with a bad stomach :-X
It's all 100% REV2 ... by the way... if that makes anything better ???
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Jesus... I hate when you sit and mess with a sound for hours, only to come back to it later and realize it does not sound anywhere near what you thought it did before leaving it :o
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/BaadSound.mp3
It was originally a sound intended to sound like some kind of "digital jungle" with frogs... now that I listen again, it sound more like someone having a bad stomach in blip-land ::)
I think it is so hillarious I'll let it stay in the bank nonetheless... maybe someone might need a digital jungle circuit with a bad stomach :-X
It's all 100% REV2 ... by the way... if that makes anything better ???
That totally needs to stay in the bank, it’s making me laugh so much. If robots had gastric problems... “Fartificial Intelligence”?
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Jesus... I hate when you sit and mess with a sound for hours, only to come back to it later and realize it does not sound anywhere near what you thought it did before leaving it :o
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/BaadSound.mp3
It was originally a sound intended to sound like some kind of "digital jungle" with frogs... now that I listen again, it sound more like someone having a bad stomach in blip-land ::)
I think it is so hillarious I'll let it stay in the bank nonetheless... maybe someone might need a digital jungle circuit with a bad stomach :-X
It's all 100% REV2 ... by the way... if that makes anything better ???
That totally needs to stay in the bank, it’s making me laugh so much. If robots had gastric problems... “Fartificial Intelligence”?
I already named the program "REV2 Diarrhea" ::)
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http://razmo.ziphoid.com/Ambiano.mp3
A new program called "Ambiano" ... it's a weird hybrid that sounds like some kind of electric piano if played very softly, but as velocity is increased, it takes on the tone of a piano... it's a very playable instrument to get expressive with.
100% REV2, no external FX added... there is a bit of distortion on a high note in the demo... it's not a part of the instrument, It is just a very loud instrument, and it clipped my soundcard :)
This is also something I struggled with to begin with... getting high levels, but I've learned what causes the low ouputs and know how to program around it... most programs is at about -18dB and hotter, rarely below that (which also happen to be the optimum recording level according to what I've read on the net... I do not tend to lower the volume on any of my programs because I prefer to have them as hot as possible to get the best signal to noise ratio... if a user want it lowered they can do so easily themselves (is my philosophy).
By the way... this Ambiano program is in essence a 16 voice program... but it uses Layer B (as many of my other programs do too) to create the reverb. I often do this with programs that do not need 16voice polyphony for most tasks. The reason is that in many programs, I usually use the HiPass filter on the main sound to induce a kind of "resonant character" to the sound (50/50%) ... thus I have no FX slot available to do the reverb.
It does come with an advantage to put the reverb in layer B... one of the things that the REV2 reverb is lacking is the ability to modulate the input signal to the FX... I often just copy the main program on layer A to layer B, then set the FX to "reverb" and the mix to 100% wet, and then adjust the main volume of layer B to get the ratio I want... this will not do much anything else than just work as an extra FX on layer A... but if you think cleverly, you can make an advantage here. I often put a bit of vibrato on the B layer sound... this works exactly as if the reverb had a built in vibrato modulation... this makes the reverb tail much much denser... it just sounds so much better this way... and if you have problems with the reverb setting in too quickly (as if you wanted more early reflection delay), just simply add a lot af attack on the AMP envelope... and even better: if you hate that the built in reverb does not have a long enough decay? ... just extend the release time on the program in layer B... voila! ... instant ambient reverb that can last as long as you want depending on the release settings of the AMP envelope ;) ... you can even play with the tone of the reverb tail by setting the decay time of the real reverb FX to different settings... even if they are low, the long release times of the B layer program will stretch it out anyway.... you have to be creative with what you've got ;)
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The above program "Ambiano" has now been mixed with a new program called "Frankenwire"... a new program which tries to imitate the low strings of a piano... this is the closest i can get... but it's good enough for me... works well in conjunction with the piano like programs that works best in the upper registers.
I'm currently trying to throw in some sounds that seem to lack in the bank... i was a bit short on keyboard type sounds, so I just made those three (Ambiano, Frankenwire, and another called Baahlroque) ...
With a quick skimming of the types of sounds, I'm still a bit short on Arpeggios and Pads... so I'll be focusing on a few more of those for the last free available slots... I'm now down to 14 free slots, so I'm getting really close to the final bank now... I've worked on these programs for more than a half year now :)
When the last ones are done, I'll use a day or two to finetune all of them... and then they should be ready for release.
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The above program "Ambiano" has now been mixed with a new program called "Frankenwire"... a new program which tries to imitate the low strings of a piano... this is the closest i can get... but it's good enough for me... works well in conjunction with the piano like programs that works best in the upper registers.
I'm currently trying to throw in some sounds that seem to lack in the bank... i was a bit short on keyboard type sounds, so I just made those three (Ambiano, Frankenwire, and another called Baahlroque) ...
With a quick skimming of the types of sounds, I'm still a bit short on Arpeggios and Pads... so I'll be focusing on a few more of those for the last free available slots... I'm now down to 14 free slots, so I'm getting really close to the final bank now... I've worked on these programs for more than a half year now :)
When the last ones are done, I'll use a day or two to finetune all of them... and then they should be ready for release.
Massive effort you put in this. Looking forward to the release. No stress :)
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Excited to hear the final bank!
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Here's a new FX program.... Evil Slurpers ;D
A really weird sound to be honest... 100% REV2 here, no external FX used.
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/EvilSlurpers.mp3
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Here's a new FX program.... Evil Slurpers ;D
A really weird sound to be honest... 100% REV2 here, no external FX used.
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/EvilSlurpers.mp3
How much do these sounds rely on polyphony? Just wondering if some of the things you’ve done might be replicable on the Pro 2.
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Here's a new FX program.... Evil Slurpers ;D
A really weird sound to be honest... 100% REV2 here, no external FX used.
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/EvilSlurpers.mp3
How much do these sounds rely on polyphony? Just wondering if some of the things you’ve done might be replicable on the Pro 2.
If you're refering to the sound in the quote, then it does have a great deal to do with polyphony... polyphony usually makes my SFX sounds more dense... but you can still do a lot even with just a single key pressed. But also the layering function is important... on my SFX sounds both layers are used heavily which is also a kind of polyphony when you think about it :)
and also do not underestimate the FX section of the REV2... it is responsible for at least 25% of the magic I'd say.
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http://razmo.ziphoid.com/SFX.mp3
Here is a few of my Sound FX programs included in my Prophet REV2 soundbank for fantasy and ambient music styles.
It's all REV2, with a tiny bit of ValhallaDSP Übermod reverb on top. A few of them have been demo'ed earlier, but may have undergone a few changes since then.
Alien Cicadas
Bloodsuckers
Critters
Crystal Chimes
Dark Slasher
Faery Dust
Ice Shards
Sea Ghost
Sunstorm
Witch's Stew
... you can never have enough weird SFX for Ambient and Fantasy music :)
I put great care in my SFX programs that they are not just static sounds you can fire off from pressing a single key... if that was the case, you could as well use a static sample of an FX... I follow the same principples as with my other sounds; realtime control... so the SFX sounds come to life when you start to press chords, and move your playing up and down the keyrange... also modulation from modwheel and footpedal is an essential part of these sounds... thus they can be played in many different ways and made to fit the dynamic needs of the score... they are just as playable as any other instrument sound.
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I'm working on a few percussion sounds for the bank right now... this one is called "Tanari Timbale" ... it's only REV2... and it does not even use a reverb, just a distortion and chorus FX.
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/TanariTimbale.mp3
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A new program... this time a bell-sound called "Glockenspieler" ... I'm certain that a lot of very nice bell sounds can be made with the REV2 ... especially because of the dual layer architecture... one layer does the "striking" transient while the other layer does the tone itself... I've done this with two sounds now, and those are the absolute best of my bellsounds I feel...
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/Glockenspieler.mp3
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Four of my String sounds from the bank: http://razmo.ziphoid.com/Strings.mp3
A tiny bit of ValhallaDSP Übermod on top...
1. Dark Lord
2. Judgement Day
3. King's Return
4. Revelations
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Razmo great stuff!!! If you wouldn't mind sharing how you came about the Ambiano sound I am somewhat new to synths and would like to construct similar sounds on my Rev 2 :)
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Four of my String sounds from the bank: http://razmo.ziphoid.com/Strings.mp3
A tiny bit of ValhallaDSP Übermod on top...
1. Dark Lord
2. Judgement Day
3. King's Return
4. Revelations
I like them all but Dark Lord top notch. It is my future replacement for Vox Humana (if we'll ever get those patches ;-) ).
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Razmo great stuff!!! If you wouldn't mind sharing how you came about the Ambiano sound I am somewhat new to synths and would like to construct similar sounds on my Rev 2 :)
Oh... it's actually a bit hard to explain it because it takes hundreds of minute adjustment before I'm satisfied with a program, and I'd not be able to recreate it 100% if I lost it... but I can say as much, that some of the resonant boxy effect comes from the FX HiPass filter being mixed in at 50/50% and with the right parameters adjusted until it works... I use that trick for a lot of the more organic timbres like strings and keyboards... but also just the right oscillator shapes for both oscillators has a big impact... it all matters... also, I often route the envelopes back to their own decay and release parameters, to get the envelopes more snappy which is useful for strings, keys and bells... also, if you want to get the most timbres, be prepared to use AudioMod... i use it constantly on almost every patch... without it you'd not have any programs like Ambiano, or any other bell or string sounds... but AudioMod is very delicate, and it can quickly sound out of tune between the voices if you do not know how to use it... the best answer i can give is probably EXPERIMENT AWAY... that's the way I got deep into the REV2 sound design :) ... otherwise, I'd have to suggest you get the soundbank when it's released early in the following week... and maybe take one of the programs you like, and change it a bit... that's a great way to learn.
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Four of my String sounds from the bank: http://razmo.ziphoid.com/Strings.mp3
A tiny bit of ValhallaDSP Übermod on top...
1. Dark Lord
2. Judgement Day
3. King's Return
4. Revelations
I like them all but Dark Lord top notch. It is my future replacement for Vox Humana (if we'll ever get those patches ;-) ).
Thanks for the compliments... and you can rest assured, that this bank will be out... I'm finishing the last four programs tonight, and will spend 1-2 days doing touch up on the sounds... so I'd say that it'll probably be around Thursday I'll release it... so stay tuned :)
I know I said "first week of January"... but the holidays slowed me down unfortunately... and I'd rather finish them properly, than just throw them out half-polished :)
besides... 33 EURO's or 38 US DOLLAR will be the price for the soundbank... that's about the average of what others sell their REV2 banks for... i know that it's time people would begin asking anyway :)
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Four of my String sounds from the bank: http://razmo.ziphoid.com/Strings.mp3
A tiny bit of ValhallaDSP Übermod on top...
1. Dark Lord
2. Judgement Day
3. King's Return
4. Revelations
I like them all but Dark Lord top notch. It is my future replacement for Vox Humana (if we'll ever get those patches ;-) ).
BTW. thank you for mentioning Vox Humana... i had to research what it was, and it seems to be a preset on a Memorymoog :) ... Dark Lord is not bright enough to get close to that stringer-sound, but I tweaked it so that the Pedal/ModWheel can now raise the cutoff enough to make it just as bright... that also allow for some expressive swelling performances using the pedal/modwheel giving it a more cinematic flavor if wanted :)
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A new program... this time a bell-sound called "Glockenspieler" ... I'm certain that a lot of very nice bell sounds can be made with the REV2 ... especially because of the dual layer architecture... one layer does the "striking" transient while the other layer does the tone itself... I've done this with two sounds now, and those are the absolute best of my bellsounds I feel...
http://razmo.ziphoid.com/Glockenspieler.mp3
I like the Game of Thrones theme very much with your sound ;-)
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Razmo, your sounds are really good ;)
Count on me to purchase your soundbank as soon as you release it ;D
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I'm finished with the bank as of today... two more days of final touch up, and it's good to go :) ... it will be released on Wednesday.
Here is one of the later Pad sounds called "Melancholia": http://razmo.ziphoid.com/Melancholia.mp3
Some external reverb was added, otherwise just REV... of course...
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Four of my String sounds from the bank: http://razmo.ziphoid.com/Strings.mp3
A tiny bit of ValhallaDSP Übermod on top...
1. Dark Lord
2. Judgement Day
3. King's Return
4. Revelations
I like them all but Dark Lord top notch. It is my future replacement for Vox Humana (if we'll ever get those patches ;-) ).
BTW. thank you for mentioning Vox Humana... i had to research what it was, and it seems to be a preset on a Memorymoog :) ... Dark Lord is not bright enough to get close to that stringer-sound, but I tweaked it so that the Pedal/ModWheel can now raise the cutoff enough to make it just as bright... that also allow for some expressive swelling performances using the pedal/modwheel giving it a more cinematic flavor if wanted :)
Vox Humana is actually from the PolyMoog and heavily used by Gary Numan. He uses Omnisphere these days but I like the sound of the original the most. Your Dark Lord comes very close if you open the filter a bit.
I'm very excited that you will release this bank very soon.
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I’ve been waiting to buy this, I’ll be a day one purchaser for sure!
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I'm finished with the bank as of today... two more days of final touch up, and it's good to go :) ... it will be released on Wednesday.
Here is one of the later Pad sounds called "Melancholia": http://razmo.ziphoid.com/Melancholia.mp3
Some external reverb was added, otherwise just REV... of course...
Can't wait! HAve a feeling it will be like getting a new synth again!
What bank will this be added to?
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I'm finished with the bank as of today... two more days of final touch up, and it's good to go :) ... it will be released on Wednesday.
Here is one of the later Pad sounds called "Melancholia": http://razmo.ziphoid.com/Melancholia.mp3
Some external reverb was added, otherwise just REV... of course...
Can't wait! HAve a feeling it will be like getting a new synth again!
What bank will this be added to?
I'll provide it for any bank, even the factory ones, so do not worry about that 🙂 the file will include eight files, one for loading into each bank number. I'll include a document that list the programs as well, but a more in depth document with explanation on modulation controls etc. Will be posted in this forum later when it has been finished... A full YouTube demo will also be made later.
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I'll have to crawl to the cross... I simply cannot have the bank ready today... I'm only half way thru the touch-up on the programs and I simply will not release something I'm not 100% into... so please... I'm sorry, and please excuse me for delaying the release until sunday afternoon... I'm not home thursday and friday, so I need the weekend to finish the bank completely... I hope you understand :)
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I'll have to crawl to the cross... I simply cannot have the bank ready today... I'm only half way thru the touch-up on the programs and I simply will not release something I'm not 100% into... so please... I'm sorry, and please excuse me for delaying the release until sunday afternoon... I'm not home thursday and friday, so I need the weekend to finish the bank completely... I hope you understand :)
Makes me think of this very old commercial.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oSs6DcA6dFI
:D
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Yes, almost there.
Go Razmo, go.
Can't wait to try this bank.
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Well this has cheered my January up! Cracking sounds Razmo can't wait to take them for a spin!
Cheers.
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I'm finished with the bank as of today... two more days of final touch up, and it's good to go :) ... it will be released on Wednesday.
Here is one of the later Pad sounds called "Melancholia": http://razmo.ziphoid.com/Melancholia.mp3
Some external reverb was added, otherwise just REV... of course...
Can't wait! HAve a feeling it will be like getting a new synth again!
What bank will this be added to?
I'll provide it for any bank, even the factory ones, so do not worry about that 🙂 the file will include eight files, one for loading into each bank number. I'll include a document that list the programs as well, but a more in depth document with explanation on modulation controls etc. Will be posted in this forum later when it has been finished... A full YouTube demo will also be made later.
Legend!
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Alright... the bank is 100% complete now 8)
I'll take it thru a final listen before it's released this Sunday afternoon (after I've slept), just to make sure I did not miss anything. A new thread will be made for the release, so do not expect it to be here.
Here is the absolute last program I made for the bank, called "Darkest Hour" : http://razmo.ziphoid.com/DarkestHour.mp3
Just REV2... nothing else.
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Congratulations! It was really cool to witness the sausage being made in this thread.
Best of luck!
Alright... the bank is 100% complete now 8)
I'll take it thru a final listen before it's released this Sunday afternoon (after I've slept), just to make sure I did not miss anything. A new thread will be made for the release, so do not expect it to be here.
Here is the absolute last program I made for the bank, called "Darkest Hour" : http://razmo.ziphoid.com/DarkestHour.mp3
Just REV2... nothing else.
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Alright... the bank is 100% complete now 8)
I'll take it thru a final listen before it's released this Sunday afternoon (after I've slept), just to make sure I did not miss anything. A new thread will be made for the release, so do not expect it to be here.
Here is the absolute last program I made for the bank, called "Darkest Hour" : http://razmo.ziphoid.com/DarkestHour.mp3
Just REV2... nothing else.
Scary good! Not only the sound, but the actual composition too.
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Scary good! Not only the sound, but the actual composition too.
I listened to this at least 1000 times by now... it's fantastic. I downloaded it and play it in an endless loop. I'm at work right now and it makes my job more epic ;-)