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SEQUENTIAL/DSI => Prophet => Sequential Prophet X => Topic started by: drxcm on July 23, 2018, 11:58:49 AM
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Hi, I’m loving my Prophet X but one tbing has frustrated me is not being a le to tweak some of the settings simultaneously.
The best example is Hack (or eg sample rate, or instrument tone) which are edited using th soft knobs.
As soon as you turn say filter cutoff you can’t tweak Hack again without going back to an instilrument button and pressing a soft key to take you back to hack.
I would love to be able to somehow ‘lock’ the soft screen state on something. Second best would be that each soft screen remembers the last page it was at (so that every time it doesn’t default to the first page of tabs).
Of course if these params were in the mod matrix I could assign them to a slider!
Just a little frustrating when editing a sound to have to go back and forth on the same parameter that is buried if any other knob is manipulated.
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i made an account just to post this request:
a shortcut key to copy settings from INSTR 1 to INSTR 2.
Which means: copy the same sample + all settings.
This could be very handy to thicken up a sound, and panning them left and right stereo. It's a hassle to locate the key (stretch sample settings). This will save a lot of time!
i think someone else mentioned this also in the gearslutz forum.
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Some more that just made it to the Pro2
Arp Beat Sync
Sequence Lock
Was thinking about my first post and wonder if you could ‘lock’ a screen by holding down ‘show’ for a few seconds. Kinda like how holding down ‘edit layer B’ for 2 secs lets you exit both layers.
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Some more that just made it to the Pro2
Arp Beat Sync
Sequence Lock
Was thinking about my first post and wonder if you could ‘lock’ a screen by holding down ‘show’ for a few seconds. Kinda like how holding down ‘edit layer B’ for 2 secs lets you exit both layers.
They mentioned that there was Beat Sync on the PX but I was having difficulty starting the sequencer in time with the Tempest last night (when set to NoS/S) But it worked perfectly when set to Slave.
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Some more that just made it to the Pro2
Arp Beat Sync
Sequence Lock
Was thinking about my first post and wonder if you could ‘lock’ a screen by holding down ‘show’ for a few seconds. Kinda like how holding down ‘edit layer B’ for 2 secs lets you exit both layers.
They mentioned that there was Beat Sync on the PX but I was having difficulty starting the sequencer in time with the Tempest last night (when set to NoS/S) But it worked perfectly when set to Slave.
I'm talking about Arpegiator beat sync. At the moment, it's not always synced if you hit the keys at the wrong time - although the tempo is perfect, the sync isn't always right. Fine running clock to sequencer. It's like a quantised arp setting. The Pro2 just got it. It's been a feature request for a long time for me on the Prophet 6 too... Here's hoping we get it!
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Some more that just made it to the Pro2
Arp Beat Sync
Sequence Lock
Was thinking about my first post and wonder if you could ‘lock’ a screen by holding down ‘show’ for a few seconds. Kinda like how holding down ‘edit layer B’ for 2 secs lets you exit both layers.
They mentioned that there was Beat Sync on the PX but I was having difficulty starting the sequencer in time with the Tempest last night (when set to NoS/S) But it worked perfectly when set to Slave.
I'm talking about Arpegiator beat sync. At the moment, it's not always synced if you hit the keys at the wrong time - although the tempo is perfect, the sync isn't always right. Fine running clock to sequencer. It's like a quantised arp setting. The Pro2 just got it. It's been a feature request for a long time for me on the Prophet 6 too... Here's hoping we get it!
It might be a setting of some sort cause I recall them mentioning that Beat Sync was working on the PX.
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I would love it if the "stereo spread" parameter could be modulated. I realize that right now, there are separate destinations for "Cutoff L" and "Cutoff R". But for ease of use, I'd love to use a single modulation slot to achieve this.
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Some more that just made it to the Pro2
Arp Beat Sync
Sequence Lock
Was thinking about my first post and wonder if you could ‘lock’ a screen by holding down ‘show’ for a few seconds. Kinda like how holding down ‘edit layer B’ for 2 secs lets you exit both layers.
They mentioned that there was Beat Sync on the PX but I was having difficulty starting the sequencer in time with the Tempest last night (when set to NoS/S) But it worked perfectly when set to Slave.
I'm talking about Arpegiator beat sync. At the moment, it's not always synced if you hit the keys at the wrong time - although the tempo is perfect, the sync isn't always right. Fine running clock to sequencer. It's like a quantised arp setting. The Pro2 just got it. It's been a feature request for a long time for me on the Prophet 6 too... Here's hoping we get it!
It might be a setting of some sort cause I recall them mentioning that Beat Sync was working on the PX.
Hmm.. can't find anything in the manual or in any settings - seems this isn't implemented. At the very least, I can't get it to function.
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Mod Matrix: Desitination-> Inst1/2 Stretch Key;
Example usage: Note Num as Source, Stretch Key as Destination; VS Waveworm Sequencing (and much more!) Ala Evolver.
Might even work off the internal sequencer.
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Mod Matrix: Desitination-> Inst1/2 Stretch Key;
Example usage: Note Num as Source, Stretch Key as Destination; VS Waveworm Sequencing (and much more!) Ala Evolver.
Might even work off the internal sequencer.
I kinda see what you're getting at, but with Sample Stretch off, Note number is mapped to stretch key already!
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Mod Matrix: Desitination-> Inst1/2 Stretch Key;
Example usage: Note Num as Source, Stretch Key as Destination; VS Waveworm Sequencing (and much more!) Ala Evolver.
Might even work off the internal sequencer.
I kinda see what you're getting at, but with Sample Stretch off, Note number is mapped to stretch key already!
On the VS sample map, each stretch key is a different VS waveform so it would change the fundamental wave
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Another idea - not sure if possible already...
I’d like to see a setting which allows looping of instruments only during the attack or sustain portion of the sound, where on note off / release the sample continues to play through after the loop point ends ...
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When i for example play a drum kit with an arpeggio, a modulation should trigger another key/sample.
but it just seems to pitch the samples used for the arpeggio.
(mabye same request as#10)
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maybe stupid question but will there be real time sample stretching (not the one already included)?
and is it only me who would like to see better looping possiblities? don't know what it is but it feels a bid clumsy (?)
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Maybe in the future we could :
* Bypassing effects on OSC or INST.
* Modulate the BIT/HACK (Apparently it will happen on the next update).
* Modulate the tone of the samples (Kind of LPF/HPF).
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-I'd love to be able to have incoming CC numbers as mod sources. This would allow me to do some insane sequencing from an external source.
-A HUGE thing for me would be tempo sync for the envelope loops. Locking various envelopes to tempo allows you to do some great stuff. I've been doing this on the moog sub 37 for a while and it would be killer to see implemented on the PX. Also having the envelope delay synced to tempo would be really useful when diving into sequencing fun. Alternately, being able to assign triggers for Envelopes 3 & 4 on various steps in the sequencer edit screen. Having those could really open up some great tweakability. Having all 4 envelopes tied to the note on is somewhat limiting.
-A way to access the NRPN mod destinations. There are so many more of those than CC destinations but they're somewhat inaccessible.
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FYI, breath, foot controller, mod, expression are all available as CC mod sources in the mod matrix.
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The 32 voice paraphonic mode is great, but I'd love to see an equivalent 16 voice stereo paraphonic mode too, using only 1 instrument and 1 oscillator. Should theoretically be the same CPU power.
That would make the stereo sampled keys that much more useable and retain the stereo recording.
I'll have to write to DSI about this. Could be a toggle on/off in the main menu to alter the behaviour of a long press of '16 Voice' button
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i would love to see those parameters for the FX:
1. HIGHPASS. so important to take out low frequency mud
2. spread from mono to super stereo
3. ability to put FX on one side and dry signal on the other
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Hello,
it will be cool to have the Fx values moving when they're modulated.
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i would love to see those parameters for the FX:
1. HIGHPASS. so important to take out low frequency mud
2. spread from mono to super stereo
3. ability to put FX on one side and dry signal on the other
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feature request:
on/off switch for intruments / oscillators (via soft buttons in the menu would be fine)
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feature request:
on/off switch for intruments / oscillators (via soft buttons in the menu would be fine)
Would love that too. Kind of a PITA for sound design having to turn up and down knobs and remember the settings for volume.
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feature request: match sample loop to bpm
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feature request: match sample loop to bpm
That's precisely what the Loop Mode setting "Sync" is for. Is there something in particular you were expecting that it doesn't do?
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how emberassing... i spent not as much time with it as i want to i guess (cough, cheap excuse...)
but thank you :-[
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Free Run Loop mode for Sample Oscs. The Last Prophet sounds reset at zeros with every keypress. A Free Run mode would allow sampled oscs to behave like real oscs.
Dan
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Use a random LFO to modulate instrument start. This should give you a similar behavior as a free running oscillator when the VCA is opened.
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Use a random LFO to modulate instrument start. This should give you a similar behavior as a free running oscillator when the VCA is opened.
Cool trick. Thanks.
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Sure thing!
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Use a random LFO to modulate instrument start. This should give you a similar behavior as a free running oscillator when the VCA is opened.
But will that really work? does the X have the ability to apply a random number to a voice that will not change during it's course? ... on the REV2 I've seen requests for a random source in the mod matrix that is steady thru out a voices duration... is this possible on the X? ... would routing a random LFO to the sample start position not just end in the sample resetting at random points in the sample at the LFO rate while a key is held?
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But will that really work? does the X have the ability to apply a random number to a voice that will not change during it's course? ... on the REV2 I've seen requests for a random source in the mod matrix that is steady thru out a voices duration... is this possible on the X? ... would routing a random LFO to the sample start position not just end in the sample resetting at random points in the sample at the LFO rate while a key is held?
If Carson suggested it I think you can be fairly certain it will work. As I understand it, the sample start location is only computed once when the sample is triggered, unlike the loop start/end where changes will definitely affect ongoing playback.
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^ this!
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I like to have the possibility (like in the V-Synth) to not restart sample after the first key is pressed, in this way long samples of speaking choir will remain in sync, for example the samples of the word Prophet X (F/4 Choir, 94 silka word prophet x)
I press C the sample start to say P----R-----then add the key E and the samples of the E key start in sync from the O region of the prOphet word ..not restart from P....
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I like to have the possibility (like in the V-Synth) to not restart sample after the first key is pressed, in this way long samples of speaking choir will remain in sync, for example the samples of the word Prophet X (F/4 Choir, 94 silka word prophet x)
I press C the sample start to say P----R-----then add the key E and the samples of the E key start in sync from the O region of the prOphet word ..not restart from P....
Does playing Legato allow transposition of a long phrase without restarting? If not, that would be a good feature.
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I was thinking in this wish list instead of having stereo filters, the possibility to use them separately on each oscillators and let the switch on/off for the samples....!!
Imagine that !!! ::)
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16 voice mode routes the audio through 16 filters in a mono voice. You can still pan the mono voice image in the stereo filed.
Each sample oscillator, or Instrument, in the Misc menu can be configured to bypass the LPF.
32 voice mode reduces you to one sample oscillator and one digital oscillator and routes all of that paraphonically into 2 filters.
Very flexible use of the filters. I think all of your wishes are true.
I was thinking in this wish list instead of having stereo filters, the possibility to use them separately on each oscillators and let the switch on/off for the samples....!!
Imagine that !!! ::)
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:)
That's a good day !!!!!!!!!
16 voice mode routes the audio through 16 filters in a mono voice. You can still pan the mono voice image in the stereo filed.
Each sample oscillator, or Instrument, in the Misc menu can be configured to bypass the LPF.
32 voice mode reduces you to one sample oscillator and one digital oscillator and routes all of that paraphonically into 2 filters.
Very flexible use of the filters. I think all of your wishes are true.
I was thinking in this wish list instead of having stereo filters, the possibility to use them separately on each oscillators and let the switch on/off for the samples....!!
Imagine that !!! ::)
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Some more that just made it to the Pro2
Arp Beat Sync
Sequence Lock
Was thinking about my first post and wonder if you could ‘lock’ a screen by holding down ‘show’ for a few seconds. Kinda like how holding down ‘edit layer B’ for 2 secs lets you exit both layers.
They mentioned that there was Beat Sync on the PX but I was having difficulty starting the sequencer in time with the Tempest last night (when set to NoS/S) But it worked perfectly when set to Slave.
I'm talking about Arpegiator beat sync. At the moment, it's not always synced if you hit the keys at the wrong time - although the tempo is perfect, the sync isn't always right. Fine running clock to sequencer. It's like a quantised arp setting. The Pro2 just got it. It's been a feature request for a long time for me on the Prophet 6 too... Here's hoping we get it!
It might be a setting of some sort cause I recall them mentioning that Beat Sync was working on the PX.
Hmm.. can't find anything in the manual or in any settings - seems this isn't implemented. At the very least, I can't get it to function.
Global -> 22. Arp Sync to Beat -> Quantize
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Could there be anything added that would deal with the phasing of oscillator samples start points. I've noticed when i'm using sampled saw oscillators the start time seems to vary each time causing a phasing effect.
For most of my work this is not desirable.
Is there something that could be tweaked or added to stop it?
Thanks.
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Could there be anything added that would deal with the phasing of oscillator samples start points.
Presuming you're referring to oscillators and not samples (your question was a little ambiguous on that front), the fact that they start at arbitrary points is intentional and often useful. It emulates the free-running oscillators on a conventional synthesizer design.
If you want to defeat this, just turn on Wave Reset on the Osc Shape tab as described on page 27 of the manual.
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I made a post about this but got no responses thus far. Anyone's thoughts on this...
It’s a bit of a loaded question/request but one thing I love on the P6 is being able to have the sequencer running and alternating between patches which in turn alternates between different sequences. On the PX, this doesn’t happen. Switching patches just stops the sequencer entirely. It would be a great performance aspect to have, especially on drum based patches. Alternating between sequences and patches with no interruption.
I also noticed that in a split based patch, when I select “Edit Layer B” there is a slight and awkward pause if the sequencer on Layer A is playing.
Is there a way to implement this or somehow improve these awkward pauses or sequencer behaviour with an OS update or is it just the way the samples are implemented that it’s not possible?
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It will be nice to have a Delay time directly on the LFO's menu. Just to use Mod Slot on something else.
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It will be nice to have the possibility to modulate the Sample's "tone" without using the HPF for both Osc and Inst.
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i made an account just to post this request:
a shortcut key to copy settings from INSTR 1 to INSTR 2.
Which means: copy the same sample + all settings.
This could be very handy to thicken up a sound, and panning them left and right stereo. It's a hassle to locate the key (stretch sample settings). This will save a lot of time!
i think someone else mentioned this also in the gearslutz forum.
+1
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i would love to see those parameters for the FX:
1. HIGHPASS. so important to take out low frequency mud
2. spread from mono to super stereo
3. ability to put FX on one side and dry signal on the other
Agree: digital HP filter FX mode is great. More alternate filter fx like BP/Ntch/comb would be awesome.
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Hello,
it will be cool to have the Fx values moving when they're modulated.
+1
yes, live values when being modulated from a physical source (like MW or touch strip) would be helpful.
-j
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4 wishes (other than more digital filter Fx, & displaying live mod values when controlled via physical source)...
1) Would love to be able to record mod motion from Touch strips to Env 3 and 4. Like programming looping ADSR via capturing motion from the strips, like a mini automation. I'm thinking press and hold Env 3 button + Touch 1 to enable it, same for Env 4 + Strip 2. (( or a quick way of motion capturing any mod source to play back from Env 3/4. I'd even sacrifice Env 4 to have 3 become an 8 segment envelope in that mode if feasible).
right now I stack mod sources and add touch strips to control Amt of Env 3 and 4, works, but would be nice to have it be handsfree after the first run and save with the patch :)
2) some quick way to separate VCF control of Sample voices vs VCO's. Yes, this can be done via Stacking 2 patches, but I frequently want to save different cutoff/res/drive values for Osc's vs samples then save and control them together from then on.
3) #2 reminded me I keep wanting a quick way of changing Octave +/- for sample voices only vs Osc's without having to Stack A+B to separate.
4) ability to copy sequences between patches - like Tempest's copy beat or selective copy feat.
:)
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hello,
for me, still same !
Have the choice, same as the Inst 1 and 2, to let Oscillators goes thru the filter or not!
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I'd like to be able to switch sounds without the switched-from sound cutting off. And would be nice to switch patches while holding the sustain pedal and not have the sound cut out.
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- Chord mode for the arpeggiator
- Ability to modulate note assigned to sample stretch, so one could, for example, set one of the VS waveforms across the keyboard but then use the mod wheel to scroll through the rest of the keymap
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I've written about this in another area of the forum, but my feature requests apply to sampling. The PX has the potential to become the best sound design sampler ever, but is crippled by the way user sampling is implemented. I'd like to see.
Transfer of individual sample instruments directly via USB cable from the computer into chosen slots on the PX.
Deletion of individual instruments via the above.
Rearrangement and renaming of instruments via the above.
For the sampling application (Lady G has addressed some of these issues in the PX editor).
Import of AIFF files and automatic conversion to 16bit 48kHz. External conversion can often lose metadata including loops and root notes.
Proper midi and audio implementation for audition of samples—it would be useful to be able to play these like you would on the PX.
Visual sample looping and some simple processing (EQ, Normalisation etc).
Nord do this very well with their sample/sound manager applications. The PX takes me back to Ensoniq Mirage days.
Stephen
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Free Run Sample Instrument Mode.
Upon patch loading, all allocated sample oscillators will randomly adjust their start point (up to, but not beyond, the loop point) and continuously loop the sample in the background. Beyond the initial random index, the sample continuously loops in the background.
For samples oscillators, this would emulate the natural phase differences of analog oscillators.
This is different than just altering the start point (which currently requires sample edit and breaks the defined loop points). This lets the length of the sample and it’s randomized start point determine the oscillator phase between voices and within a single voice.
Someone has asked for it before, but I haven’t seen it described like this.
Thoughts? This plus slop and we might get sea sick. :-)
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AIFF file support isn’t out of the question for PXToolkit. The format is well specified and should be efficient to convert from. It’s also surprisingly common, irritatingly enough, for AIFF format files to be given a .wav extension. I’ve seen it often enough that there’s now a dedicated error message when detecting AIFF content.
Support for 24-bit audio is a little less straightforward since I’d want to do at least basic dithering, but it’s not totally out of the question. High quality sample rate conversion is computationally intensive enough that you really don’t want to do it over and over on every export. I did implement a fun workaround in v0.9.8 that supports arbitrary sample rates by letting the Prophet X do the work, but that’s not always ideal. It is, however, convenient.
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Simple request for Local behavior :
I’m using the PX as my master keyboard with Local off, but often I just want to make patches and keep everything else switched off.
A quick button combo for Local On / Off, or putting it in the global menu in the first position, would be super handy.
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I'll add these here.
Some form of modulated granular synthesis.
Some way to sweep through specified portions of a sample via a modulation source.
Stephen
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Simple request for Local behavior :
I’m using the PX as my master keyboard with Local off, but often I just want to make patches and keep everything else switched off.
A quick button combo for Local On / Off, or putting it in the global menu in the first position, would be super handy.
Yes!
It's a real pain when you have the DAW fired up. I don't always as I like to use the X standalone.
I wish the synth had a proper 76 note weighted keybed.
Stephen
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I vote for a granular option ! Omnisphere can permit this functionality, why do not include it in the PXOS ?
After all... Do you really think there will be an update ?... After one year and the mess with 8dio and the editor, did Sequential give up our precious Prophet X ?
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My G...!.... you're maybe right !!
No news since a long time.... even after all this mess....
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I wouldn’t read anything into their silence. Sequential doesn’t have a team dedicated to each device, they have a talented group of passionate individuals who work on every product they put out. They’ve already mentioned a new product they expected to announce later this year, and are doubtless hard at work on getting it ready for its turn in the spotlight.
... but Sequential has shown, time and again, that they are willing to go back and invest in making the most of the hardware they’ve already shipped, too. Witness the big update for the Pro 2, adding linear FM late in the product’s production lifetime. I expect Sequential has plenty of ideas for where they might take the Prophet X next, too.
As always it’s best to buy an instrument for what it is today. Every day we see a new sample pack from 8Dio, a third party like Goldbaby, or from the community like our own VCO Pack, it just gets better as is starting to feel like it’s hitting its stride. New firmware features would just be icing on the cake.
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You're probably right...
But it's once you bought it you realise that a lot of possibilities is not really exploited... I just frustrated.
For exemple : Why there is no option to manage de user sample libraries directly via the PC/USB connection ? Creating a tool to convert Kontakt to PX Samples.
I love my PX ! But some time I'm like a sculptor with a fork in front of a granit block. Too much possibilities but not the perfect tool to...
Do not taking wrong Lady Gaia : you made an amazing work ! But I think in this time this new generation of Synth should evolve during some years.
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We’ve all been spoiled by smartphones and similar technology that get amazing regular updates. The reality is, though, that those businesses are many orders of magnitude larger than the serious musical instrument business, and invest correspondingly more as a direct consequence.
There are any number of things I’d like to see from instrument manufacturers that they’re not necessarily in a position to deliver. They aggressively prioritize and make hard decisions every day on what features get their finite time and energy. For all of the areas where I can see room for improvement, I also acknowledge that there simply isn’t another product available that offers a more compelling hybrid of digital sampling and analog filtering for my interests and needs.
... and if it gets better in the future, I’m more than okay with that, too!
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There's are some nice libraries coming out from third-parties.
The problem is, the presets supplied are effectively useless. If you are using the sample area the presets use for your own sounds, you cannot then use the presets—unless you know which samples are bring pointed too. It would be nice if people added this information at least.
Again, Nord have this sorted with parent/child patch/sample relationship.
I do agree LG—but to be honest, I couldn't get to try a X and no review mentioned sampling. However, I'd assumed it was going to be at least a 21st Century sampler with the most basic functions. This isn't rocket science.
Stephen
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Linear FM! It would be so nice to FM the instruments or oscillators without having the pitch drift.
More fade options with looping. I've found that using the forward then reverse looping always causes audible clicks no matter what I do. Is there a way currently to fix this?
Being able to EQ samples.
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Linear FM! It would be so nice to FM the instruments or oscillators without having the pitch drift.
More fade options with looping. I've found that using the forward then reverse looping always causes audible clicks no matter what I do. Is there a way currently to fix this?
Being able to EQ samples.
You can technically EQ the samples with the Tone parameter.
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It would be nice to have the possibility to modulate the Sampler's Tone.
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Been battling with local on/off constantly.
It would be great if it was in the #1 position in the globals menu, or at least in the first page.
Even better, a quick key combo to move through the available modes.
Eg hold + global button together
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Been battling with local on/off constantly.
+1 It's a real pain.
Stephen
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Absolutely! A shortcut combination to toggle would be great.
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Dreaming is free....
Why not having a little something concerning granular..... ?
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Would be great if you could chop samples like how you stretch them, maybe just by holding down the stretch button - similar to how you enter the 32 voice mode
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Hello,
It will be awesome to have a
LFO Delay Time to save a modulation line.
(or someone has got an idea!!?)
😊
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I really liked the Moog One approach of having delay + fade in time + fade out time defined for each LFO. As you note, this saves on modulation slots, but it also cuts down out needing to devote an envelope to the task.
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I really liked the Moog One approach of having delay + fade in time + fade out time defined for each LFO. As you note, this saves on modulation slots, but it also cuts down out needing to devote an envelope to the task.
Yes, that's an excellent design - direct and simple, as it should be.
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I really liked the Moog One approach of having delay + fade in time + fade out time defined for each LFO. As you note, this saves on modulation slots, but it also cuts down out needing to devote an envelope to the task.
simple genius.
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I really liked the Moog One approach of having delay + fade in time + fade out time defined for each LFO. As you note, this saves on modulation slots, but it also cuts down out needing to devote an envelope to the task.
... and add to that the fact that LFOs can act like envelopes, and envelopes can act like LFOs.
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I’d love to see a major feature like granular synthesis or a wavetable mode. Otherwise, a couple more mod destinations would be useful:
1. VCF Stereo Split. Stereo filter panning with a single mod routing and amount seems like an obvious win.
2. Instrument Fine Tune. This would allow slop 3&4 to work on instruments like slop 1&2 on oscillators.
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Feature Request :
By a long distance what i believe is severely lacking in the Prophet X is with the Samples "Edit" ...The representaion of the Samples as it it is, just a simple bar with a 1 to 1000 End and Start point ...is rather basic and not satisfactory IMO.
It really "needs" or would benefict a proper Sample / Wave visualzization.
IThe ADSR env for example have a simple buf very useful Graphical representaion on the Display, i'd sugest something similarGraphical also. No idea if it's difficult to implement ...but it would be wonderful to have it.
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Feature Request :
By a long distance what i believe is severely lacking in the Prophet X is with the Samples "Edit" ...The representaion of the Samples as it it is, just a simple bar with a 1 to 1000 End and Start point ...is rather basic and not satisfactory IMO.
I would definitely find this useful, less expensive or full-featured products have a waveform view with a real-time playhead that really help with editing samples. I'm honestly a bit surprised this feature isn't present.
Additionally having non-arbitrary representation for the Start, Size, Center, and End values—something like milliseconds and/or seconds instead of just 0-1000 regardless of sample length.
And one last idea I've been thinking about is having some kind of single-cycle-waveform browser instead of loading them like normal samples. Can't go back and change the past but for instance the VS waveforms would be significantly more useful if one didn't have to do the sample stretch and could instead browse them one-by-one in their own sample category.
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Two small things that have I have thought would be nice are:
- Arp & Sequence Gate Length adjustment, could even be global. I find it too short for my liking.
- The ability to save a patch with "Edit B Layer" pre-selected. It would be really useful for live use as I like to have a bass or drone that doesn't require tweaking in the left hand and a lead in the right that i can tweak on the fly. Currently Layer A is always the default. Or even being able to flip the split so Layer B is in the left hand
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I really liked the Moog One approach of having delay + fade in time + fade out time defined for each LFO. As you note, this saves on modulation slots, but it also cuts down out needing to devote an envelope to the task.
The 70's-80's Roland's have LFO delay, Juno's, Jupiters, SH's. It's fantastic.
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Feature Request :
By a long distance what i believe is severely lacking in the Prophet X is with the Samples "Edit" ...The representaion of the Samples as it it is, just a simple bar with a 1 to 1000 End and Start point ...is rather basic and not satisfactory IMO.
I would definitely find this useful, less expensive or full-featured products have a waveform view with a real-time playhead that really help with editing samples. I'm honestly a bit surprised this feature isn't present.
Additionally having non-arbitrary representation for the Start, Size, Center, and End values—something like milliseconds and/or seconds instead of just 0-1000 regardless of sample length.
And one last idea I've been thinking about is having some kind of single-cycle-waveform browser instead of loading them like normal samples. Can't go back and change the past but for instance the VS waveforms would be significantly more useful if one didn't have to do the sample stretch and could instead browse them one-by-one in their own sample category.
Yeah..i agree...but the trouble i see in that (changing from 0-1000) is that it would probably change the Presets a lot...maybe an option of choosing ?
But even just a simple representation of the Sample Waveform would be a lot useful ! I still don't understand why they included only a "bar" . I really like the Prophet X , but why they did this, i have no ideia !
Regarding the Prophet VS yes...i agree too. Maybe they did this way , to save some space ? Does it ? You can work your way around it, but...
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Two small things that have I have thought would be nice are:
- The ability to save a patch with "Edit B Layer" pre-selected. It would be really useful for live use as I like to have a bass or drone that doesn't require tweaking in the left hand and a lead in the right that i can tweak on the fly. Currently Layer A is always the default. Or even being able to flip the split so Layer B is in the left hand
Having the B layer selected is doable now. Make sure you've selected Edit B Layer, then save the patch. It should default to the B layer, then. (Unless I misunderstand that part of the request.)
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Two small things that have I have thought would be nice are:
- The ability to save a patch with "Edit B Layer" pre-selected. It would be really useful for live use as I like to have a bass or drone that doesn't require tweaking in the left hand and a lead in the right that i can tweak on the fly. Currently Layer A is always the default. Or even being able to flip the split so Layer B is in the left hand
Having the B layer selected is doable now. Make sure you've selected Edit B Layer, then save the patch. It should default to the B layer, then. (Unless I misunderstand that part of the request.)
Strange, I would have thought this would be the default behaviour. I just tested it. I create a new patch with 2 contrasting layers. Set it to Edit B Layer, hit Save, then hit Save again after the naming screen, it then turns Edit Layer B off. This happens if i set it to Split, Stack or Normal mode. I'm on firmware 2.2.0. Is this different to they behaviour on your unit?
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This time no feature wish, just bugs.
1. Slope 3 and 4 are done to simulate analog voltage inconsistencies. But their initial value is set way to huge. For example, if you route them to instrument tune.
2. Random LFO which starts on keysync routed to instrument tune in the mod matrix has an audible lag. On every other synth I know, there is no lag on keytriggered LFOs. You hit a key, and something like a very short portamento bends the not from its initial tune to the randomized value.
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Strange, I would have thought this would be the default behaviour. I just tested it. I create a new patch with 2 contrasting layers. Set it to Edit B Layer, hit Save, then hit Save again after the naming screen, it then turns Edit Layer B off. This happens if i set it to Split, Stack or Normal mode. I'm on firmware 2.2.0. Is this different to they behaviour on your unit?
That is odd. I wonder what's different. My Prophet XL is also on the 2.2.0 firmware and it worked for me.
Tried both modification of an existing patch: pressed Edit B Layer, pressed Save, pressed Save again to save in the same location. Worked. And from a basic patch with the same button sequence and it worked for me. In both cases, it was in normal mode (no Split nor Stack). I think I had tested a Split mode at one point, too, but would have to verify, again. In these examples I used U3 P128 (originally also F3 P128).
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Strange, I would have thought this would be the default behaviour. I just tested it. I create a new patch with 2 contrasting layers. Set it to Edit B Layer, hit Save, then hit Save again after the naming screen, it then turns Edit Layer B off. This happens if i set it to Split, Stack or Normal mode. I'm on firmware 2.2.0. Is this different to they behaviour on your unit?
That is odd. I wonder what's different. My Prophet XL is also on the 2.2.0 firmware and it worked for me.
Tried both modification of an existing patch: pressed Edit B Layer, pressed Save, pressed Save again to save in the same location. Worked. And from a basic patch with the same button sequence and it worked for me. In both cases, it was in normal mode (no Split nor Stack). I think I had tested a Split mode at one point, too, but would have to verify, again. In these examples I used U3 P128 (originally also F3 P128).
Check Globals - A new save edit layer state Global command has been added. When enabled, this command automatically remembers which Layer was active for editing when a program was saved.
Doesn't it work ?
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Check Globals - A new save edit layer state Global command has been added. When enabled, this command automatically remembers which Layer was active for editing when a program was saved.
Doesn't it work ?
That'll fix the issue for kevvinm & junkmale. Thanks for the reminder. I had forgotten about that and definitely have had my Save Edit Layer State global option set to On for a while.
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Strange, I would have thought this would be the default behaviour. I just tested it. I create a new patch with 2 contrasting layers. Set it to Edit B Layer, hit Save, then hit Save again after the naming screen, it then turns Edit Layer B off. This happens if i set it to Split, Stack or Normal mode. I'm on firmware 2.2.0. Is this different to they behaviour on your unit?
That is odd. I wonder what's different. My Prophet XL is also on the 2.2.0 firmware and it worked for me.
Tried both modification of an existing patch: pressed Edit B Layer, pressed Save, pressed Save again to save in the same location. Worked. And from a basic patch with the same button sequence and it worked for me. In both cases, it was in normal mode (no Split nor Stack). I think I had tested a Split mode at one point, too, but would have to verify, again. In these examples I used U3 P128 (originally also F3 P128).
Check Globals - A new save edit layer state Global command has been added. When enabled, this command automatically remembers which Layer was active for editing when a program was saved.
Doesn't it work ?
Perfection! That works. Thanks J_P_P & composerjk.
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And one last idea I've been thinking about is having some kind of single-cycle-waveform browser instead of loading them like normal samples. Can't go back and change the past but for instance the VS waveforms would be significantly more useful if one didn't have to do the sample stretch and could instead browse them one-by-one in their own sample category.
Turn on sample stretch then use the Stretch Key parameter to browse through the samples. Instant waveform browser.
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This time no feature wish, just bugs.
1. Slope 3 and 4 are done to simulate analog voltage inconsistencies. But their initial value is set way to huge. For example, if you route them to instrument tune.
2. Random LFO which starts on keysync routed to instrument tune in the mod matrix has an audible lag. On every other synth I know, there is no lag on keytriggered LFOs. You hit a key, and something like a very short portamento bends the not from its initial tune to the randomized value.
Can you please report these bugs to sequential support
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Feature Request :
By a long distance what i believe is severely lacking in the Prophet X is with the Samples "Edit" ...The representaion of the Samples as it it is, just a simple bar with a 1 to 1000 End and Start point ...is rather basic and not satisfactory IMO.
It really "needs" or would benefict a proper Sample / Wave visualzization.
IThe ADSR env for example have a simple buf very useful Graphical representaion on the Display, i'd sugest something similarGraphical also. No idea if it's difficult to implement ...but it would be wonderful to have it.
A waveform view would be nice, but which waveform should be displayed? The last key, velocity layer and round robin played? It could be more confusing than helpful since instrument parameters apply to all waveforms in a keymap — not only the one on screen.
I think more drastic changes would be needed before a waveform display makes sense. On the other hand, if someone can spell out how this would work in detail maybe it increases the chances of having it implemented.
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Feature Request :
By a long distance what i believe is severely lacking in the Prophet X is with the Samples "Edit" ...The representaion of the Samples as it it is, just a simple bar with a 1 to 1000 End and Start point ...is rather basic and not satisfactory IMO.
It really "needs" or would benefict a proper Sample / Wave visualzization.
IThe ADSR env for example have a simple buf very useful Graphical representaion on the Display, i'd sugest something similarGraphical also. No idea if it's difficult to implement ...but it would be wonderful to have it.
A waveform view would be nice, but which waveform should be displayed? The last key, velocity layer and round robin played? It could be more confusing than helpful since instrument parameters apply to all waveforms in a keymap — not only the one on screen.
I think more drastic changes would be needed before a waveform display makes sense. On the other hand, if someone can spell out how this would work in detail maybe it increases the chances of having it implemented.
Excellent points on the multisamples, I hadn't thought of that! I think just a playhead indicator on the current display and the position markers in milliseconds would personally help me a great deal (unless different samples for each key/layer can also have different lengths... which I guess explains why it's the arbitrary 0-1000).
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Feature Request :
By a long distance what i believe is severely lacking in the Prophet X is with the Samples "Edit" ...The representaion of the Samples as it it is, just a simple bar with a 1 to 1000 End and Start point ...is rather basic and not satisfactory IMO.
It really "needs" or would benefict a proper Sample / Wave visualzization.
IThe ADSR env for example have a simple buf very useful Graphical representaion on the Display, i'd sugest something similarGraphical also. No idea if it's difficult to implement ...but it would be wonderful to have it.
A waveform view would be nice, but which waveform should be displayed? The last key, velocity layer and round robin played? It could be more confusing than helpful since instrument parameters apply to all waveforms in a keymap — not only the one on screen.
I think more drastic changes would be needed before a waveform display makes sense. On the other hand, if someone can spell out how this would work in detail maybe it increases the chances of having it implemented.
Excellent points on the multisamples, I hadn't thought of that! I think just a playhead indicator on the current display and the position markers in milliseconds would personally help me a great deal (unless different samples for each key/layer can also have different lengths... which I guess explains why it's the arbitrary 0-1000).
Maybe a way to select / cycle manually between the different Samples Waveforms ? There are lots of buttons above / bellow the Main Led screen.
Or for example...press the key and the relevant Wave from the Key / Velocity will appear ? Any sort of option that allows the option of seeing the Wave instead of just that bar, would be a improvment.
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Sequencer transpose without having to hold down the Rec button. I know this was implemented in Unison mode on the Prophet 6 and OB6 but it would be a very helpful performance feature on the PX. Especially in split mode where you are transposing a bass sequence with your left hand and doing pads or a lead with your right hand.
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Late last year I transitioned from the OB6 to the PX for shows as I need to get more sounds in 1 box for touring (whenever that happens again). One thing I really miss is the program change buttons on the OB/P6. I have set up the playlists which are helpful but one thing that annoys me is when I adjust a parameter, the screen jumps out of playlist mode and the quick select buttons are gone. In general I will just have to get used to the PX and navigating it more intuitively but I think that when playlist mode is selected, the synth should be locked in playlist mode and not jump out of it when say the filter is adjusted. It really makes performances that require quick program transitions hard.
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Something I've been thinking about is the ability to browse the samples by type across banks. I purchased all of the 8DIO samples when they are on sale and when I'm looking for a synthesized string sound or different triangle waves, I forget which banks have which kind of content.
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Features id like to have are:
1: Random and audio out mod sources like in the P12.
2: A mode where a sample is triggered with a key press and doesnt stop playing until the end. No more samples on the instrument engine in question would be triggered on subsequent keypresses before the sample is finished. This way you could play on top of longer samples. I know workarounds are possible with turning "key follow" off, or using multiple layers, but it would be very convenient anyway. And i think it would synergize well with everything that is possible on the instrument.
3: Bypassing option for oscillators and instruments individually to bypass the LPF and/or the effects. I have to say that the Prophet X is maybe the most sonically versatile instrument ever (no wonder since you can litterally put any sound into it), but with a filter and effects bypassing option for oscs and instruments it would be even more sonically versatile and sound sculpting hands on. I would looooove this option, but hey, the instrument is sooo good anyway, so it feels humbling to even suggest features.
You Sequential guys are AWESOME ❤️ Thank you for your hard work, and new congratulations on the Prophet 5! Im sure its gonna be great and do well 😊🎊
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Really loving the prophet x - the combination of samples and oscillators with a ton of modulation possibilities is amazing. There's a few things I'd really love to see in an update:
* linear FM/thru zero of the samples and oscillators
* less glitchy modulation of center location for samples - this doesn't really act as I expected, and I'm wondering if it's a matter of having a sample length that corresponds right to the prophet that would do the trick. What I'd really love to be able to do is load some samples ala Ensoniq Transwaves and modulate them (somewhat) smoothly. Barring an across the board fix, is there any way to create an app for instance that can help users create wavetables similar to the pro 3 that work in a similar smoother manner? Maybe there is a new loop mode that is something like splitting the sample into N number of parts and people could make samples that have exactly N cycles to modulate through and the prophet properly smooths out the transitions and loop points.
* more waveforms for the oscillators - these could be accessible only via the menus and show up as all lights on or something. One of the most promising things is modulating Sine shape with a sample - you get a sort of additive synth version of the sample, but it doesn't get bright enough - so I'd love to see some variations of Sines added - e.g. sines that morph into FM of that sine (similar to some wavetables on the Pro 3), triangle and sine with wave folding, etc.
* a phase control for the oscillators that could be modulated - this would let you do phase distortion synthesis ala the Casio CZ series, and would be very powerful with samples as modulators
* an EQ - I _think_ the signal path is all analog with effects added, so this might only be possible in the digital domain, but perhaps a way to enable EQ that routes through digital (but doesn't use an effects slot) that's 2 band shelving with frequency control - the VCA has a blank slot that would be perfect for this.
* slew/smoothing for modulation sources
* log/lin/exp (ideally a knob to morph through all) for the envelopes
* note num is very useful as a modulation source per voice, but I think it's perhaps last note priority when used for a single source (e.g. effects) - adding highest/lowest note as another option for note number would allow some better modulation of effects (e.g. highpass) from chords
* ability to change polarity of oscillators and instruments - being able to cancel each other out can help a lot with some types of sound design
Keep up the great work!
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More modulation destinations required please including:
BPM
Clock Divide
All arpeggiator functions
Sample Reverse
Oscillator Fine Tune
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A Latch function (play Chord or Key and replace what is being played, and hold it) ...instead of just HOLD (that adds to what is already Hold)
EQ Function as an Effect of Setting
The Drive in the Filter is very Subtle...it would be great if it could be more "Dirty"
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Arpeggiator Capture and Scratchpad from Prophet 12.
https://yo41t1y5gos9jw8f3lptw0xo-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Prophet-12-Addendum-1.1.pdf
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- Ability to set layers A and B to use different midi channels - I'm sequencing my PX and other gear using a Maschine+. It doesn't have the concept of record arming individual tracks - pressing record arms all inputs. This means any group I setup on the M+ to listen to PX midi output will record both A and B layers together into the same pattern. Not ideal if I want to use one layer for a bass sound and another for chords and audition different patterns together at a later stage on the M+.
- Ability to choose how many voices are allocated to each layer. Again taking the layer A as bass, layer B as chords example, I may only want 2 voices for the bass and 6 for the chords
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- Ability to set layers A and B to use different midi channels - I'm sequencing my PX and other gear using a Maschine+. It doesn't have the concept of record arming individual tracks - pressing record arms all inputs. This means any group I setup on the M+ to listen to PX midi output will record both A and B layers together into the same pattern. Not ideal if I want to use one layer for a bass sound and another for chords and audition different patterns together at a later stage on the M+.
- Ability to choose how many voices are allocated to each layer. Again taking the layer A as bass, layer B as chords example, I may only want 2 voices for the bass and 6 for the chords
Is Multimode enabled in Globals when you are controlling via external MIDI?
Whatever channel you set the PX to will control layer A and the next channel will control Layer B however MultiMode needs to be turned on in order to do this. I do it all the time.
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The arpeggiator sketchpad that was part of the Prophet 12.....no idea why this wasn't ported over already.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwUx_lYrg9w